TrueTom Conducts a Fine, Scholarly Discussion and Exchange of Ideas with Persons Who Really Don't Like the People He Hangs Out With

[TrueTomHarley]

Okay. I'll let it go.To be sure, when I get something in my head, I do obsess about it. Truce for now. But tomorrow it may not be that way.

Nor did I name anyone here, which was deliberate. Some will recogniize things straight off, but at least if anyone new should come along, they will not think I am delieberately going after anyone. They may reassess that opinion  soon, but they will have to do research to uncover exactly who's who, and most people are not into it that much.

What I am obsessing about at the moment is my encounter with a thorn bush which is prompting the soul-searching thought: "With all the fine instruction you receive at the Kingdom Hall, TrueTom, it would be nice if you applied it, rather than viewing certain occasions as splendid opportunities to display your linguistic skills. You can always get a new ear in the resurrection."

 

[TrueTomHarley]

One tactic that caused my downfall on the removed thread was to call someone else a liar. As it turned out, she was not technically a liar. She only actually was. But even that is harsh, and I am afraid of being rebuked. Hopefully I can get away with saying that in my opinion only, her conduct fell short of the ideal. 

She had latched onto the video that no Witness can watch with a dry eye, using a frame taken from thereof as her portrait photo,  in order to deceive Witnesses into thinking that she, too, was moved. She was moved, to be sure. She was moved to feed material at ones so deceived that undermined everything their heartfelt video stood for, hoping to turn them away from the faith she hates. Is that nice? Is that honest? Can she not use her own photo, as I have done with mine?

It turns out that she legally can mislead because her video photo is part of the Shutterstock footage our video gives credit for, properly assigning credit, not just appropriating it. It made me think of our recent meal at the home of Tom and Pearl Pearlsnswine, which perhaps I will relate someday.

[Anna]

I don't want to come between yours and Ann's intellectual conversation, but I think you are analyzing too much @TrueTomHarley   Or else it's just an excuse to do some writing?

[TrueTomHarley]

Perhaps a little of both

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

9 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

She had latched onto the video that no Witness can watch with a dry eye, using a frame taken from thereof as her portrait photo,  in order to deceive Witnesses into thinking that she, too, was moved.

TTH:

Every post from you is TRULY amazing! 

I am continually stunned at what you perceive the real world to be like.

In that same light ( old or new light?) I am posting a photo of me when I was a younger man, that some upstart Scottish truck driver turned actor turned into a successful movie career, just to deceive Jehovah's Witnesses from Russia, but with love.

 

 

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..... think I should sue him?

... think I should sue him?

[TrueTomHarley]

2 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

TTH:

 you is amazing! 

........ sue

Thank you, Sue. 

The apostate website that you promptly spotted me on, leading me to think it was yours, AVOID JWS.com, I discontinued after three comments. My move there was ill-thought out. After all, the URL says it all. What could be possibly accomplished other than fightiing, anathema to someone peaceful as myself. 

But the idea of going onto an apostate website that, like most of them do, hide what they were so as to draw in guileless ones, appealed to me as a one-time experiment - not a course I would recommend to others.

They welcomed me there, even as they were unsure of my motives. The very fact you are here indicates you have some doubts, and that is a good thing. Welcome aboard, they said. "How do you know that?" I responded. "Perhaps I am here to kick ass."

Thereafter, I did not kick ass, as I did in the thread that was removed. I was nothing but love and joy. However, i discovered that the site is surely 100% or very close visited only by people who loathe Jehovah's Witnesses. 

They do not phrase it this way. Why, they love Jehovah's Witnesses over there. It is just the Seven Crime Bosses they can't stand, for with them, they risk having someone who will tell them what to do - an even bigger anathema for them than fighting is for me.

Almost to the person I was slammed. Leaving a remark of a few paragraphs, departing (for this was not my sole gig), upon coming back, there would be several persons demanding I address this beef they had or that. Of course, you do not do this, because a) it will never end, and b) for any personal complaint, you realize you are seeing but a tip of an iceberg. Were the iceberg to rotate, the tip presented might be entirely different.

There was one person there who was so exasperatingly unpleasant - he would not write WBTS or Jehovah's Witnesses, without inserting dollar signs for all the S's. In time, whenever I would refer to him, I would substitute dollar signs for every S in sight. Alright, I get it! He thinks we should exist on honey and locusts, like John.

I am a bad boy to do this, engaging with opposers, and I don't pretend otherwise. You do it for just three reasons that I can think of. a) to see if you can keep yourself restrained under evil, b)  for the benefit of any neutral or undecided persons lurking about, and c) to hone writing ability if you are a writer - the challenge of writing things before a hostile audience is far different than writing those same things to friends or even neutral persons. Most here are not writers. They have a life, and so the 3rd reason does not exist for them, and there are probably better ways of fulfilling the first.

You DO NOT think you are going to change the minds of any participants, for that is impossible. For those who have truly 'been there, done that,' it is the scripture, not me,  that uses the word 'impossible.' (Hebrews 6:6) You also must concede that you will never get in the last word, for these people WILL NOT give up. it is not just they. It is anyone arguing anything on the internet. So don't ever engage with such ones if you cannot walk away. Even as I squabble more than most, I realize that I will lose each thread in the end.

Toward the end, they howled that I had not answered their questions. I truthfully answered that I had answered them. I had just not let myself be cross-examined, as though in a jury trial. As I left, I said I hoped my leave would not be misunderstood, for I stated at the outset I might not stay, and I referred to the Monty Python Black Knight. 

I've not done this before and it is not likely I will do it again, at least not for some time. It is greatly time-consuming. In fact, I knew it was time to leave when someone correctly discerned that I was mostly writing for the sake of writing. Not that my participation was not genuine. It was. But to think you would blow all that time merely so as to address persons who instantly dismiss what you say and repackage their questions, which all are really just one question: "why are you still hanging out with the people we cannot stand?" is to admit that your time truly is not worth anything.

From now on, I will remain in my former role (except on this thread). I will engage with opposers only if I see three of them mugging my friend Job in the back alley.

 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

How did you misquote my quote?

Except for ellipses ( ...) a quote should not be edited !

Unless clearly stated that it was edited or  paraphrased.

... and remember, as stated in the Watchtower about 25 or so years ago, the three muggers of Job were Elders,

( ... what follows is my opinion ...)

Who after three days sitting in the dirt with him and talking ... had nothing to say worth recording in Scripture.  He was not upbuilt .. he was, as you say, mugged.

NOBODY ever sat with someone for three days and actually said nothing .. unless their tongues had been cut out.

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[TrueTomHarley]

6 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

 

Who after three days sitting in the dirt with him and talking ... had nothing to say worth recording in Scripture.  He was not upbuilt .. he was, as you say, mugged.

NOBODY ever sat with someone for three days and actually said nothing .. [quoted only in part]

You may be on to something when you say 'nothing worth recording in Scripture,' for new manuscripts have been discovered and are on display at the Podunkian:

"Now Bill, who was a RETIRED ENGINEER, cut Bildad off mid-sentence and proceeded to say: YOU NEED TO LISTEN CAREFULLY TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY!! I have heard DISGUSTING AND IGNORANT examples of logic here, and I will not put up with it!!! At that Bildad, Eliphaz, and Zophar got up and went home. Elihu rolled his eyes. Job died."

Several more lines follow and a few in-your-face graphics are included.

Scholars are unsure why these verses did not make the Bible cannon. The prevailing thought is that scribes simply couldn't take it any longer.

To change topic, Mike Pence, it is recently revealed, does not dine with a woman without his wife also being present. He also does not drink alcoholic beverages with another woman unless his wife is also present. He thus takes practical steps to ensure that that which is most important to him, his marriage, stays protected. Can anyone have a problem with this?

Feminists are furious with him for dragging his Judeo-Christian archaic values into the work place. It does hurt women, they point out, by potentially depriving female careerists of the old-boy network their males colleagues can enjoy. Thus feminists make clear that they are like most people today, putting career ahead of family.

However, men and women are attracted to each other. It is a fact. And since the reason for the untimely deaths of so many musicians has never been discussed before, I will post it here: As they are contentedly composing, their significant other peers over their shoulder and asks: 'Are you writing about me, dear?'

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

YOU ARE LIVING IN A FANTASY WORLD TTH, FILLED WITH FANTASY SCENARIOS.

You should keep your fantasys in a clearly labelled mental box with high walls.

... and keep on the meds.

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[Anna]

I can't stop laughing at your dialogues with each other That should be a book in its own right! (no doubt @TrueTomHarley that's precisely what's going through your mind)

[TrueTomHarley]

3 hours ago, Anna said:

I can't stop laughing at your dialogues with each other That should be a book in its own right! (no doubt @TrueTomHarley that's precisely what's going through your mind)

If you sign on in advance, I'll have a waiting list of one. 

When I was slapped with a Scarlet A for the downed thread, which does not ever disappear from my record, even if I were to repent, even though a far more serious sin, were I to commit one, would disappear eventually in you-know-who's organization, I was miffed at the suggestion that writing here is a privilege I must qualify for. I thought about leaving on that account - in all threads. perhaps creating  the thought among some: "Wow! I can see what happens when someone goes after apostates here"

At the Kingdom Hall I can say: “Privilege opening up here in connection with toilet cleaning!," and publishers will rush me like peasants storming the Bastille. That is not the case on any internet forum. It is equal exchange at best. If I do not write here,  I will write there.

However, I must bury my pride. I do need this forum, to be sure, or some worthy substitute.Just as a writer needs a muse, he also needs a villain if he is to write his or her best. Fortunately for the writer, villains are not only easy to find, but they are hard to avoid. Just go on any thread anywhere and say something loyal to Jehovah. Instantly a villain or three will challenge you: "Oh YEAH?!!" and you are off and running.

On the apostate site, I even made clear early on that I might not stay, for I had a circuit of real flesh and blood people back home who liked me. Someone shot back that there are no real friends in the circuit - they are nothing but backstabbers, and then he even appended a graphic of a guy stabbed in the back, much like someone else would do. I acknowledged that he had a point - I couldn't turn around without encountering a dozen backstabbers, but I usually managed to take them out like Chuck Norris.

A chapter of No Fake News is entitled: the Surly Bear. I have an open edit that states the entire chapter will be rewritten once our situation is Russia becomes clear, be it favorable or unfavorable, and therefore anyone who has the Ebook should download it afresh until they no longer see the edit message. In some manner, the chapter will also include the doings of opposers, since they used the Russian situation to try to push their pedophilia meme. They tie in in other ways as well.

My participation here is genuine. No one should think otherwise. But I probably would not have done it were there not another use for the results. 

 

3 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

YOU ARE LIVING IN A FANTASY WORLD TTH, FILLED WITH FANTASY SCENARIOS.

There is some truth in this, JTR. At the Kingdom Hall, as you know, we are frequently advised to try to think in terms of illustrations, as Jesus did. If you do this long enough, you may find that the illustrations are more interesting than the realities they spotlight.

[Anna]

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

My participation here is genuine. No one should think otherwise. But I probably would not have done it were there not another use for the results. 

You do know though of course that arguing with opposers/apostates is a waste of time, because "a man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still" unless as you say, you might need it for inspiration.....