Space Merchant

This is why Purified water is best, hence why some go down this route as is with the osmosis route.

The website is simply a collection of things from other domains and archived domains, etc. So any documentation, templates, and or the like that was gathered over the years, was simply moved here. Example would be the heavily refuted Henrietta Riley Trust documentation.

Half of the site is dead (Filler/Broken Links), which means the Age of the Domain is in it's infancy stage, it is 10 months old, a day shy of 25 days birth place San Francisco. Only the main page has items, most of which is simply stuff rehashed and gathered to put here (half of the things mentioned on this forum can be searched out here), meaning, one or a few domains have been labeled deceased, terminated, so to speak, which is a common thing.

There are links that goes straight to JW.org, which can be a potential land mine situation which can take effect for anyone who visits outside of specific spots of the website, so an example would be should a JW with a logon click on a link, goes to JW.org and login, they can potentially get hacked. A bit risky with the infancy Domain Age. So you could (if you want to) advise the people to close out their browser completely afterwards just to be safe. Just because it's a 443 and not an 80, does not mean there are risks.

Speaking about spoofing, it is made to look like a replica of the site used by JWs, which is a red flag. As to why a replica is used, possibly to draw attention; from the Watchtower itself outside of confusing people, to to get any EXJW who left the pack to return, etc.

Granted most of the stuff is archived, old stuff, it would have made sense to simply just make a stand-a-lone domain. Kind of a clue there hence broken links.

Website spoofing -  is the creation of a replica of a trusted site with the intention of misleading visitors to a phishing site. Legitimate logos, fonts, colors and functionality are used to make the spoofed site look realistic.

That being said be careful of what you click on. Also whomever started the site must be really obsessed with the Cult ideology and pinning it on an organized Restorationist. This also reminds me of the website from Russia used to ID/track people almost which my contact aided in shutting down.

In short - This is simply another domain with things transferred over, hence Domain Age.

7 hours ago, Equivocation said:

Acts 8:37

This is because most EXJWs are highly influenced by the subnet of the Mainstream known as the KJV-Onlyist. Such ones are not too knowledgeable of Strong's Concordances, so they believe/adopt what the Mainstream not only says about JWs, i.e. the cult ideology granted, this derives from those who do not see Jesus as God, more so the notion of the NWT Bible, of which they claim was created by JWs calling it a fake Bible, despite not knowing the the Bible, although revised, is associated with Biblia Hebraica and The Westcott & Hort.

This is why in my debate with @Cos he tried to profess Jesus Worship in the same way as God was worshipped, example below:

On 1/19/2018 at 3:17 AM, Space Merchant said:

I am aware the NWT has Obeisance, and I am aware that Worship and what Mr. Stafford has said. But what you fail to realize is the word is also used "Proskyneo" (Proskuneo) that can be translated to either "Homage", "Bow Down/To/Bow Before", "Worship", as well as "Obeisance", it can also be translated to Latreia, Prostration (The act of obeisance or worship via standing in silence, lying flat on the floor face down, etc)., or Reverence in other languages. As for the word itself it has the same meaning as the other mention.

This was also addressed to @Witness who was very confused by the Strong's itself in the discussion.

On 3/8/2018 at 5:16 PM, Space Merchant said:

On the contrary they have, if you even took into account of what I just explained previously. proskuneo also means worship (http://biblehub.com/greek/4352.htm), as well as obeisance, honor, reverence, homage, bow to/down to, etc. The very word that Cos, an Anti-JW around here, didn't get through his head, hence the heavy refuting to each of  his response drove him away from this section of the forums, in addition to him caught lying, for him using John 8:44 backfired on him.

1 Corinthians 15 verses 27 and 28 does not imply of which you said in regards to the following: worship to Jesus is perfectly acceptable to God.

On 3/8/2018 at 5:16 PM, Space Merchant said:

That being said, when one considers "religious worship" be sure to know to whom you are showing this "religious worship" to. For the idea or practice of "religious worship" to God's Son, Jesus calls in the category of Arianism, which is still a belief that is practiced today.

You really have to be careful and not take the word proskuneo with a grain of salt, for better understanding of what that word means will make you very well aware of the word and how it is used in scripture and where it is used, for many translations tend to just throw the word "worship" everywhere proskuneo is even found. For such a word have several meanings, one of which includes the word worship.

That being said, the end goal of the Mainstream concerning the subnet I speak about is to give the intent that the King James Version of the Bible is the superior translation above all, even above the NWT, so much so, they have to ignore the history in order to prove it, hence their Agenda. They do this in a way to convince the masses of this, especially those who are not into Textual Criticism and the like, often times, cause confusion and a complex situation. There is also the Black Hebrew Israelites, of whom, try to preach an Englishman, King James I himself, was Black, when he is a Monarch, King of the Scots. The battle concerning Bibles and what is translated, etc. has been going on for a long, long time, it is associated with the battle that continues up into today concerning the 4th century.

35 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

I'm surprised former Jehovah's Witnesses or the public haven't pinned the "Monster Energy Drink" rumor about the satanic symbol that people claim on the Watchtower and its publications.

Well this should surprise you, they believe the Watchtower owns military assets, this is why I mentioned Mr. Zelda and missiles in which Witness was defending when she was refuted by an EXJW who has knowledgeable in Economics. Even when refuted they continue. Some also believe they have assets in Nintendo as is Victoria's Secret.

It makes no sense, a 2+2=5 situation.

6 hours ago, Equivocation said:

@Space Merchant Thanks for that, I didn't know the names, especially the guy who hangs out with Cedars. So there is no possible way to find those videos? Even in archived form? If EXJWs sent him death threats and stuff surely something said was that important, namely if it did involve something about CSA.

Well it is the internet after all, surely something even a small bit of it can be found, I knew some things, but didn't know all that transpired in the background.

One could try, however, to look for those videos is essentially looking for a quarter sized diamond in an extremely deep and dark cavern. It isn't easy, but as you can see from the FB link, there was a Schism between EXJWs that lasted to this day, often times it gets a bit of volatility whenever Cedars is involved with something.

The only way to somewhat get these videos is if someone asks this man directly, or possibly find a Dark Techy or anyone who managed to download said videos that day.

From what I remember, the videos were public for 4-5 days after the events in the Borough concerning JWs, and then it went private, to the point they no longer exist.

Other then that, he provided legitimate solution for the Child Sex Abuse issue, what may have got him he added something to the effect the Watchtower isn't the problem, more so, they were the people who are targeted by those with bad intent. He also noted his community, Bible Students, but due to Cedars' influence, he often times equated them both. The second video, he made the same statements, but was obvious sadden by the reaction, he pretty much said he is going to shut himself up, resulting in Cedars stepping in to damage control.

Those videos could have actually brought forth some action from both JWs and EXJWs and anyone aware of secular law. In regards to Butler, it would have been beneficial for him also.

The video of him calling the police, was also wiped out.

that being said, the park situation was a shifty one. They blamed JWs, then they blamed Cedars prior to the attack on Peter.

An example of this below, mind you, the language below:

4 minutes ago, TheWorldNewsOrg said:

The Ukraine War got uglier this week. Heavier sanctions were imposed, Russia deliberately bombed a maternity hospital, Russia started recruiting “volunteer” “soldiers” from the Middle East Syria, and there are fears that Vladimir Putin, currently the world’s most hated man, may resort to chemical —or even nuclear— weapons as his situation grows more paranoid and desperate. Reports are emerging that Russia’s attack on a nuclear power plant was almost much, much worse. And it’s only like week three of this War. This is Collapse.

Not to mention some people have started to become somewhat racist against Russians, namely Facebook/META.

Some people also noted that in Mariupol, Azov was also in the area prior to what the Russians did, then again, one has to really research these things. As for the Syrians, they are a known Russian ally so it was no surprise any of their allies would support them. China is in the books still, some speculate North Korea also.

It's going to get messy going forward, and everyone will pay indirectly unfortunately.

12 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

You're so funny. So don’t you see that you have stuck to an intellectual trap and a mistake in the logic found in the claims I wrote, on purpose. Because I have a "motive" :)).

Appeal to motive.... You make it obvious yet again. I believe you do not know what that is...

The fact the latter brought up an archived Yahoo Answers experts, the speculative narrative has ultimately been smashed once again.

At this point, simply smooth sailing.

You were never the type to adhere to logic. If you remember, alluded to God's Friend Selfish without knowing the current situation, let alone historical accounts or Biblical Facts.

Nullified, as what the latter stated, a more fitting word would be obliterated.

Anyways, case closed at this point. The fact you brought up 1975 to dodge your the Chloe Church question evidently seen by all, but what to expect from an acolyte of a man who possibly went for women knowing fully well he committed adultery to his wife, and kids. To them they did not deserve this.

In the New Normalcy, people have become hypersensitive to narratives, so things of this nature would not work anymore, the people are seeing for themselves.

@JW Insider Although this is your experience, it is highly likely those who supported the speculative narrative will willful ignore this, as with others who are in the same boat. When someone says a lie long enough, they see it as a truth, so these 1975 narratives is like that of never ending story that creeps it's way back to the surface.

6 hours ago, Equivocation said:

2 Things, seeing "Truther" being misused several times

Because such a notion out of the norm for the common folk, they'd believe whatever the paradigm says, as seen by @Srecko Sostar, @Witness and even Butler, not realizing what it entails. As pointed out there are many branches, not everyone is a Christian, but the goal is the truth and to stamp out falsehood, so much so, in some cases, help people if need be, hence the missing YouTuber (Mr. Obvious) I mentioned a while back in which the commentator community was helped. Sometimes I would post such things here if it's a Tri-State issue or something major.

It is also as to why in my experience with children I let them know to be careful whenever they are in the institutions and the like. Hence the things I have been proclaiming on here.

6 hours ago, Equivocation said:

you mentioned a deranged woman to @Pudgy 

The woman I refer to is deranged, mentally unstable and depraved, as is violent - Yvette Felarca. Recall demon possession in the Bible, let's just say she is an exaggeration of that. She makes @Witness look like a pure saint. You and your faith community (even former JWs) is very lucky to not have run into these types because prior to COVID-19 when you were gospel preaching, this woman and her cohorts were preaching a different message. She spare no one, especially if the person in question is the opposite sex to her and is white, i.e. to target someone, she used the crowd to let off a few punches, granted she was so short, the attack was highly obscure to the onlooker until evidence was produced, evidently, the MSM believes and still defends this woman despite her arrest. I know she is no longer in jail because there was a mention of her at the higher education institution of which she is from granted she drew concern for opening of schools despite the vaccines and mandates. The run ins I had, she mistook me for a member of BLM, one of them she equated Bible verses to hate speech, also assuming I was affiliated with Westboro Church, hence her insults and slander, however she could not do anything to me using her group because I was black. It is also highly factual that even EXJWs do not know these types of people exist, all the while they tried to link you with this woman's sister group.

This is why these political paradigm types are problematic, they only drive themselves into ruin and some of them, ends up like this woman. It can also be said if you guys do return to the Commission, do not be surprised by an elevated and embolden group just like the one this woman is a part of, perhaps, they would far more dangerous than your EXJW Apostate types.

As you can already see, I do not like the paradigm and for good reason. These Agendas with a backing only causes more problems.

6 hours ago, Equivocation said:

a name someone called Serena? Although it may not be important, I was kinda curious.

Unlike the deranged woman, Serena Shim, in regards to her what a Truther is, she is a representation of it, in this case she is a Journalist, whereas truth is seen as a danger to some; Journalism is also noted as a dangerous profession.

Serena was possibly the best person out there when it comes to searching for the truth, in doing so, wanting to make things better for society, so much so, it got her killed in which the super powers essentially concealed her death, lying about it, when the people knew why she was targeted, they they claimed she was a spy.

Those going after her namely from those who are affiliated with The Wild Beast, granted, The World Health Organization is a specialized agency of the United Nations responsible for international public health. in addition to that, United States officials told a ridiculous remark about Americans overseas should they succumb to harm; it should be noted that due to the Ukraine-Russia situation (and all troubling events that spark MSM attention), anything pertaining to her, namely from RT News is now blocked/removed in the States, even prior, there was an effort to scrub her off the media until she was honored in a museum - Arab American National Museum (AANM). Independent Journalists, as is Truthers, as is onlookers, knew her to be someone who stood for the truth even though it painted a target on her back. So the lies, deceit, falsehood, etc. such persons call out, in her case, she knew what was taking place, hence her last interview.

She was buried in Borj El Brajneh, Lebanon, and there was quite a lot of people present, but still after her death, people demanded the truth, even her family to this day, however, those and the power that be silenced any further look into her death, even investigation, and so forth. As for what she had, it vanished, for, whomever was after her, made sure what she had evidence to ceased from existence, a black out.

@Dmitar was correct to say do not trust Wiki because they sugar coated the details of her history connected to her death.

You can get a good insight on the videos below that make it brief, granted, everything pertain to her is 100% accurate, even elsewhere, since there is a high respect for this woman.

That being said, it is stuff like this is the reason why I take truth seriously, as is with facts and evidence, and rarely use opinions. It is quite minor here on this forums, but elsewhere, tends to be more serious.

Although she is one of many, she is the important one concerning truth.

@Witness The notion concerning Franz was mentioned in the original posts made towards you, so much so if you actually read from the evidence produced by Eqvo. As for the notion of a Prophet, there is legitimate evidence in which you didn't know the difference of a Prophet Inspired vs a Prophet Not Inspired, you interjected your branding, so to speak.

That being said, this is interesting, you ask questions of others, but when they address a question to you, you take offense.

@Srecko Sostar He's right though, at this point those quotations speak for itself, what he attested to was among the several notions concerning 1975 that was pulled from Yahoo Answers before that was shut down.

That being said, @Equivocation notice how they both ignored what you quoted and focused solely on bits of what you said prior to the quote, let alone them ignoring the book you referred to.

24 minutes ago, Witness said:

Falsehood and deception?

Yes. This is something I am highly against, and always say this, perhaps stronger than my disdain for those who came up from the 4th century thinking they are the original Christians.

25 minutes ago, Witness said:

 If you indeed "call it out", you would question just why 1975 was a topic among the leadership of the Watchtower, since false prophets are described in Deut 18:20-22,  labeling the Wt's leaders as such, when all of the Armageddon dates failed.

They never predicted 1975 to be God's Day, nor did they publish it. In the same citation @Srecko Sostarused, it even attested to that notion. He purposely didn't cite the full paragraph because it would defeat his narrative, as it did yours in the original post from where I quoted you.

1975 was never a date for God's Day, for it was, you'd have legitimate evidence.

Since it is unfounded, the claim is false.

27 minutes ago, Witness said:

Instead, you take a topic and narrow down your focus onto one thing, letters of words that to you "prove" 1975 is...what, NOT a lie, NOT a false prediction?

More so evidence of the notion of God's Day equating to 1975. You were asked this in your original post, then you were asked for that same notion, you never provided anything of the sort but simply gave me images pertaining to End Times and Human Existence.

If you truly speak truth, you'd realize what you were posting. More so, when there is speculation, you automatically assume it to be true not realizing the core problem. This is why when you utter the word "Truth" to link it with whatever you say, 1 John 4:1 is automatically used against you, and many times, you shown yourself to disrespect that verse from the Holy Bible itself.

The first time you ever posted the thread a while back, I did an ample amount of research, in between debates, I have talked to people who were well aware of happened that day, some of them even JWs, some even EXJWs who didn't believe the narrative you spin here.

31 minutes ago, Witness said:

You disregard the point that Watchtower danced around the topic every way they wanted, successfully misleading thousands to believe them - that Armageddon would arrive in 1975.  And then, when it didn't happen, the members receive the blame for the leadership's lies.  

Unfortunately I didn't. They spoke of End Times and Human existence, but never God's Day on 1975, this is why the claim of speculation was deem true, speculation causes people to take action. Because of it, it enabled even arguments and discussions between JWs who didn't believe 1975 to be the end, vs the ones that did, as did the actions they took assuming the end was legitimate when it was not.

Speculative narratives are nothing new. For one understands context, the other makes assumptions.

Sadly, no head pastor for the JWs around that time ever made the claim, likewise with whatever they wrote in those days. Some would bring up someone from your former faith known as Franz, but they take his words out of context, I believe @JW Insider made mention to that concerning what Allen had said a while back; hence where I pulled the quotation.

35 minutes ago, Witness said:

That - the fact that the leaders are false prophets, and not following the teachings of Jesus Christ, is what you could "call out"; but instead, you seem to defend the leaders and their lies.   What sort of "Truther" Preacher are you?  

It isn't about Defense, it is about the Truth in situations that is obscured by falsehood and deception, this notion of your former faith, fits this description.

Again, you bring up the Term Truther, yet you do not know what that entails.

Truthers hate falsehood and deception regardless of what it is, they do not lie misconceptions, some of them dig themselves so much into the Truth of what they find it reaps even that of consequence for some, to others, a rejoiceful situation which indirectly enables others to do good and remedy themselves.

I am as I am, as is being a defender of the gospel, so whenever it comes to dealing with falsehood, be it of the community or not, it will be refuted with facts and evidence.

39 minutes ago, Witness said:

Here is a backward glance to 1975, which targets the year:

"In modern times such eagerness, commendable in itself, has led to attempts at setting dates for the desired liberation from the suffering and troubles that are the lot of persons throughout the earth. With the appearance of the book Life Everlasting-in Freedom of the Sons of God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of man's existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility . It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated.  Wt 3/15/1980

It does not target the year to be God's Day, it cites it briefly in regards to eagerness and expectations made by some (which is true due to the following paragraphs), hence what was said earlier in the other pages concerning speculation. Further evidence as seen below in your citation:

[... commenting on the inadvisability of setting our sights on a certain date, stated: “If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises.” In saying “anyone,” The Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah’s Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date.]

Speculation, as which can be seen they alluded to that concerning the latter citation.

It goes on to speak of the following concerning the effects of human errors vs one's faith in what God's promises.

51 minutes ago, Witness said:

Did they stress it as "only a possibility" one hundred percent of the time?  No.  They bolstered their lie, and then they downplayed their lie.   As I said, they danced around, back and forth:

If you read the connecting paragraphs, it mentioned the human error via speculation made by some. To simply read one paragraph from your source and not read the others, doesn't help you with your narrative.

Concerning human errors by those who made the assumption your source said the following:

[Nevertheless, there is no reason for us to be shaken in faith in God’s promises. Rather, as a consequence, we are all moved to make a closer examination of the Scriptures regarding this matter of a day of judgment. In doing so, we find that the important thing is not the date.]

Apparently your former faith was well aware of the moves made by those who assume 1975 to be the end, hence error vs God's promise.

54 minutes ago, Witness said:

"Yes, the end of this system is so very near! Is that not reason to increase our activity?...Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end." (km 5/1974, p. 3)

Unfortunately this has nothing to do with 1975 and God's Day. The citation was focused on preaching the gospel before God's Day, which is something known by all Christians concerning the Messianic Age. To be a minister, although JWs refer to it as pioneers. Granted the concluding remarks of that citation, it shows that your faith community had apparently an abundance of zeal when it came to gospel preaching, granted, preaching the gospel in those days was something looked upon as something good and honest. Ironically, it cites an important verses, of which you left out, 1 John 2:17.

1 hour ago, Witness said:

Oh!  Now they are chastised for neglecting their homes and property that they were commended for selling, in order to pioneer.

To preach the gospel, therefore, the claim of them selling their houses because the JWs at the time said God's Day will happened, was indeed false. In fact, as mentioned, your whole source talks about ministering primarily.

Also if God's Day was 1975, preaching the gospel would not be done at all, hence Matthew 24 and 25. Granted the gospel is to spread, and for a time the gospel preaching would stop, and soon, God's Day. As we can see, in your source, their was zeal to become ministers. You were told this in your original thread.

1 hour ago, Witness said:

Who "missed the point"?  Who had the "mistaken view"?  Well, who "published" the articles?  Who approved the articles? 

Well whomever it was they

• [A] Made reference to those who speculated, hence emphasis on human error vs God's promise.
• [B] The push for becoming ministers whereas there was a lot of zeal to preach the Messianic Age. This goes hand in hand with the Commission.

The end is near indeed, never that year in question.

1 hour ago, Witness said:

This religion is an organization built on lies from the beginning.  It's leaders are false prophets, according to the word of God.  If one looked into their Insight book under "prophets" it clearly proves that Wt  leaders are false prophets. So, I will continue to call them out for it, just as you are trying so hard to call me out as a liar.  

From the beginning? Not quite, the shortest answer to that is The Great Awakening otherwise known as the Christian Revival, and the history around that. Jehovah's Witnesses never existed around that time, it was a millenarian restorationist group known as Bible Students who were not as organized and were still looking into the early church themselves. They only became Jehovah's Witnesses around the 1930s, and, to correct you again, they were never Hitler's primary target.

That being said, you are a lair. I quoted you word for word, and you are doing the same thing as before. You lie many times as is mixing verses. Then again, you never speak for yourself, the one above you does.

Also outside of this banter, you were shown to not know what a prophet inspired and a prophet not inspired. So you are the last person to make this notion.

1 hour ago, Witness said:

You, spin your wheels trying to take down people who realize this - people who lived it, lived the lie of 1975 and all the other failed dates, as well as their continuous need to change their "understanding".

I talked to people who were around during that time, one of them still works for NASA, possibly retired by now. I had talked to others in the debating circle, as is the WXJW who were too afraid to make their view known to their own community, hence what happened to the YouTuber. I even seen people who gave their own experience despite not being part of the faith community at all. Several more, of whom I mentioned in the past prior to actually doing the research on that day.

And to them, they did have discussion with those who believed in speculation, hence they knew the truth about 1975, and evidently, call out the falsehood.

therefore, they never made the claim, nor did they publish it. This is why the speculation was denounced as human error of their own understanding.

That being said, when you been around, learning and doing research outside of the realm of debates, you find this.

1 hour ago, Witness said:

 'It also tells us that this millennium must be preceded immediately by the most destructive war in all human history. We can now see the political rulers... being gathered... for that War of all wars....' (Wt 7/1/1974)

And? War is Real. War is Hell. And speaking of war and politicians, there are things the majority may not be aware about concerning such, even JWs.

We had the The Portuguese Colonial War, The Cold War, Indo-Pak War, The bloodshed of Bangladesh, etc. To this day, some of that history is obscure, but those who seek truth, will expose it for the world to see, so that falsehood is put in it's place.

1 hour ago, Witness said:

"It may be that some who have been serving God have planned their lives according to a mistaken view of just what was to happen on a certain date or in a certain year. They may have, for this reason, put off or neglected things that they otherwise would have cared for. But they have missed the point of the Bibles warnings concerning the end of this system of things, thinking that Bible chronology reveals the specific date." Wt 7/15/1976

Mistaken view, hence speculation. Indeed, they missed the point.

1 hour ago, Witness said:

Oh!  Now they are chastised for neglecting their homes and property that they were commended for selling, in order to pioneer.

You're mixing 2 notions together now.

1 hour ago, Witness said:

Their biggest lie?   Hmmm.  1914  

Reslight will have a field day with this one. He stated the remarks made by EXJW to be false, his notion was used in one of your older articles, as it was with the Trinitarians.

That being said, you were also challenged on this too, and in those days it was not only the Bible Students who saw the year was associated with Jesus' Kingship, of which, in the past, you watered down.

1 hour ago, Witness said:

"Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him: We ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to be easily upset or troubled, either by a prophecy or by a message or by a letter supposedly from us, alleging that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the apostasy[c] comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits[e] in God’s temple, proclaiming that he himself is God."  2 Thess 2:1-4

And yet no one uttered such or wrote such, but you claim otherwise. Therefore, you are using the Holy Book in vain.

1 hour ago, Witness said:

Done now!

You are done, and what did you in was your original posts.

That being said, I say this to you again, do the research and use critical thinking, it is one thing to be a tool to your community, it is another to be one of the Mainstream.

Kel was right to say that EXJW who lack such, are lost.

4 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Oh do be quiet SM. (That was being polite)

And Butler himself. Seems more of a sarcastic remark, no different from your other mannerism even as your last 2 tenures, as did the one when Admin got invovled.

4 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Show me exactly where I said the above about JWs. We all know it was promoted amongst JWs from the mid 1960's. Someone even showed a W/t magazine from around '67 which wrote about being in the 'last part of the last day', and then there was some mention of a JW Elder saying from the platform "Stay alive 'till 75".

1975 being the the start of God's Day was never promoted by them, therefore, the latter leaned on speculation.

Here are your receipts. The majority knows the context of 1975, but as pointed out, you and the others attested otherwise. As seen below:

On 7/9/2021 at 6:29 AM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Yes indeed. Didn't the Leaders of the Watchtower BLAME the CONGREGANTS  for 'getting it wrong about 1975' 

On 6/30/2021 at 9:39 AM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Perhaps you would say that to the Governing Body of the Watchtower / JW Org.  They are very keen on dates and especially giving false prophecy. 'the last part of the last day of last days' . 1941, 1975. Before the year 2000 et al.

On 5/22/2020 at 6:05 AM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

From 1966, statements in Jehovah's Witness publications raised strong expectations that Armageddon could arrive in 1975.

On 5/23/2020 at 1:57 PM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

@Space Merchant

i.e. said claim of yours stated that they said Armageddon would happen on 1975, but there was no claim made by them to suggest such, anywhere.

 

could see was a short time ahead in which to finish the work assigned to them." 

Watchtower 1968 Aug 15 p.494 Why Are You Looking Forward to 1975?

On 3/25/2020 at 10:53 AM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Didn't a similar thing happen in the early 1970's ? Didn't brothers/sisters sell their homes, live in their garages,  give up full time jobs, get into debt ,all because the GB / CCJW said that Armageddon around 1975 ? Whether 1975 was actually put in writing is not important because we all know it was more than a 'suggested' date. 

On 11/10/2020 at 3:52 PM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

C.C that is so lame.   .  Try harder than that. It doesn't matter what happened AFTER 1975. What matters is that the Leaders of the CCJW were WRONG. 

So the CCJW is built on a very flawed foundation with many mistakes and false promises. 

THAT IS NOT GOD'S FAULT, NOR IS IT CHRIST'S FAULT.  It is the  fault of MEN. The MEN that have led your religion.

On 10/12/2020 at 8:42 AM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Um, not exactly is it ?  What it is, is false teachings. Including 1914, in my opinion. The idea of Armageddon threatened many times. The 1960's false teachings about Armageddon and 1975 'Stay alive 'till 75'. 

On 7/28/2020 at 7:03 AM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

I can seriously relate this to the Governing Body and the Watchtower / CCJW. 

falsely interpreting signs = Signs of the times of the end

making false predictions = The 1960's through 1975. And even now 'We are living in the Final part of the Final day'

On 6/6/2020 at 10:57 AM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

This would have been when they were teaching the 7,000 year Creative days. And the 6,000th year of God's Rest day.  And dare i say teaching 1975 as the coming Armageddon. 

There is more as your last tenure, 2Jah4me, as is John Butler.

The truth of the matter is, nowhere did they state the day is of that year, it was more inline with what they stated regarding human history, those who speculative saw differently, hence the claim of which @Witness and @Srecko Sostar is pushing as a truth.

5 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

I have a close relative who is a JW Elder and he knows that JWs WERE selling their houses and leaving their jobs, to preach full time.

This was because of a speculative narrative. It was already addressed that there were those who took context in what was said, and then there were those who assume otherwise, hence the action was taken. This was said several times in this thread.

The God's Day notion also breaks even further due to people still preaching, for it contradicts Matthew 24 and 25 concerning the end of the gospel work.

5 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Just because the Leaders didn't print it in the Watchtower does not mean that they were not promoting it in other ways.

They never promoted 1975 was indeed the day, be it vocal or in whatever publication they had, your latter statement said otherwise when you attempt to show me an archived citation, which does not even suggest that.

5 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

But you, like all others, only believe what you want to believe, because it fits your agenda. 

This is a matter of truth, the only Agenda is pushing a narrative based on speculation to profess it as a truth, which is a problem. Funny you use that term yet you fell for an Alt-Right and a Leftist article meant to draw emotion and speculation.

The notion was leading more into the history of human existence, granted ALL Christians know the End is near concerning End Times, in this case, no one believed it to be 1975 expect those who speculate and spread information, thus reap the action, as to what was mentioned, even by you. Only to later be weaponized as a truth, when it is not.

5 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

And what 'community' exactly do you say I belong to ? 

You are of the EXJW community, are you not? Some of the things cited by you, even in the past, shows that, i.e. showing a book often pushed by said community that has outlandish views of your former faith, so outlandish that it is deem highly questionable, although you did not read; pushed it without knowing what it entails, you sided with @Srecko Sostar briefly prior to me calling out what was in it. To make the matter even worse, the author being in connection with the Kairos Movement, of which is everyone, even everyone here, to you, to me, Srecko, JWI, Witness, Dmitar, etc.

The community has a thing for pushing misinformation and half-truths, so much so even some among their own go against them. This is the same community that killed something in it's tracks which could benefit both JWs and EXJWs, related to what you are always talking about.

5 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Dimmy has one thing right. There is NO spirituality here. 

Yet you lack discernment to know who is telling the truth here. Christians should display that, for someone who changed their name to patiently seeking truth, you are not applying here, thus clouded judgment. 

That being said, learn to open your eyes next time around, and I say that politely, as I do with all misguided.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Truthers do not lie.

We do not lie. And also do a lot of research in regards to a lot of things, even serious situations, other cases, some of our own suffered, but it does not stop us for seeking what truth is. even the best of us, likewise to our counterparts, the preppers.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Christians do not lie.

Christians are to produce a true witness, and call out a false witness. Clearly, you are using a narrative based on assumption and no evidence of which you claim can be found.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

All Truthers are Christians.

Do you realize these are different things. Different communities.

Some Truthers are Christian, others are not Christian. Serena Shim was simply a Journalist, I am not a Journalist as with some of the rest.

Although Christians are to speak truth, the latter community goes beyond that. This is why when I make the difference between the aware and unaware, I make note to it.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

All Christians are Truthers. 

Again missing 2 things together without know the latter. Not too long ago you attempted to use a definition without even knowing the history, therefore showing yourself to be ignorant. One thing for certain, they do have tabs on your community.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

If you quote me, please quote entire comment, in context. Context explains all :))

Even if people quote you, you ignore your own words. Not too long ago we saw @Witness did the same thing.

Quote or to call back, is to better expose the narrative you are pushing. It also proves Kel to be right about what he said about EXJWs being totally lost, even damaged.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Don't you have sense for humor? and SM debate logic? 

Sure. At least some of us can produce facts and evidence, to know what is true and what is false.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I used the "generalization" model to show how wrong logic leads to wrong conclusions.

But you led yourself to wrong conclusions numerous times. 1900s, Glasgow, when you attacked God's Friend, Abraham, the claim you made that Chloe led the church in which @Witness didn't bother to correct you because of Pearl's narrative. Not acknowledgment of members of your community who were hit, no acknowledgment of the one you follow to have been with multiple women, possibly underaged.

The list goes on. You may just be as misguided as Witness at this point, the only difference is you are capable of speaking for yourself whereas she cannot, for Pearl speaks for her.

That being said, again, I encourage you, do the research and don't peddle falsehood as a truth, it is a disgusting thing, for you cannot be of God and dine with the Devil at his table, it makes no sense.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

You made pure repetition from WT magazines. Nothing unknown to me.

So unknown yet you cannot produce any evidence to your claim.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Obviously you skipped some WTJWorg articles. AGAIN! :))) Here are quotes just from one WT study magazine. For "stellar mind" would be enough.

I didn't skip anything, this isn't the first time we've been through this. @Witness original posts was traced back to the 2018, 2019 and 2020. I even attest to the fact why is this brought back again after it was debunked.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Especially since the spiritually invigorating year 1919, the anointed remnant of Christ’s brothers fearlessly presented God’s judgments, powerful messages of calamity, to Christendom. ..............

Over the last seven decades, in conjunction with proclaiming the glorious hope of Jehovah’s incoming Kingdom, Jehovah’s Witnesses have spread around the world a veritable flood of denunciation and judgment...............

Have Jehovah’s Witnesses toned down God’s judgment? True, we live in an age when criticizing another religion is not considered the thing to do. Nevertheless, Jehovah’s Witnesses’ publications are spelling out the same message of judgment for Christendom as always..................

Therefore, Jehovah’s Witnesses will continue to visit the people of the nations with a message that stings the majority as an unpopular judgment but is happifying good news for a minority—the good news of God’s Kingdom

And what does this have to do with 1975 whereas both you and @Witness are willfully lying?

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Again. Manipulative construction and delusion projected onto the interlocutor. Sad.

Sure. Yet the thread in which both you and @Witness were exposed on this already, one of your own stated the camps were made for JWs and they were the primary target, which makes absolutely no sense.

You call it manipulation yet you were the one who attest to that notion, which evidence in the thread cited.

Do not play the fool, Srecko, for the both of you were brutally checked with facts about American History, as is Germany.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

It is a narrow conclusion without the possibility of seeing the message expressed through the illustration. Don't you see the "hidden message" in the comment?

There was no hidden message. Your past mannerism whenever you cannot attest to claim at random you will abruptly say or do something that makes no sense in order to throw someone off, that is referred to as a Red Herring Fallacy. In the countless debates and discussion I been through, something of this nature is easily discerned, likewise with Appeals to Motives, which you constantly do on a daily basis when you put yourself into a challenge.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Your computer (in other words, You) selectively refuses to display text that has the power to refute (your) uttered claims, so in order to be satisfied with its (own) “logic” it pretends to have nothing (in sight) but what it (you) wants to see.  

Another Appeal to Motive. Keep them coming, it further exposes the mentality who follows a man who lied to wife. Charming.

That being said, you are the last person to speak of logic here. You were shown to not be up there in critical thinking and you lack the ability to do research. You even confused a library with something unrelated, which makes no sense. You were also shown to defend Trinitarians not realizing they used you as a tool, like they did with @Witness. If @Cos was right about one thing, it is about some EXJW who cannot comprehend things, even history.

2 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Says who?

God's Word, that's who. Read Matthew 24.

Your own source even cited it for you. The fact you missed that is quite comical at this point; it reflects Christians today.

21 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Only in your mind, only for individuals who have amnesia about WT history, only for new JW members who have complete trust in GB.  

Appeal to motive.... 

It you did display what I was referring to in the other page, making you predictable. I say this because it isn't the first time for this same focus.

14 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Made in WT Society spiritual kitchen. :))

Yet your own source defeats your narrative. 1975 was never stated to be God's Day, and many knows this and refute said claim.

17 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Kudos to that, it is a commendable intention.

You may want to know the Latin definition next time.

16 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

But something happened on this issue about 1975 when it comes to your logic and facts.

• Logic and the Facts- Being able to read and do research. I am able of reading vs blindly accepting what a Reddit source says. From reading and research, the claim proven false because the claim is unfounded.

1975 there was speculation so much so people assumed something vs what is heard.

I do not think you know what logic is when you assumed elsewhere somehow JWs were the cause of WWII.

11 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Perhaps you have some software or hardware problems with your PC and monitor.

And of course you are making no sense. What does Computer Software/Hardware have to do with 1975?

9 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

??? 

It was not the first time I brought up the YouTuber who got shut down concerning 1975. I mentioned him to you before and here now yet when you quote me, never an acknowledgment for one of your own.

That being said, whenever you make these small and short burst remarks, it is an indicator of you simply spinning your wheels awaiting for the latter to tag you out. Not a good look.

20 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I do believe this. That’s why I will take it seriously should SM ever check me on some point I have made, rather than blow it off as fault-seeking drivel, the way I realistically must do with so many here.

I won’t go quite so far as to say it would be a Psalm 141: 5 moment…

“Should the righteous one … reprove me, it would be like oil on my head, Which my head would never refuse,”

but close.

If you hate the good news, you will do everything in your power to find fault with the imperfect vessels that carry it. It is no more complicated than that. SM is on to these malcontents.

It is understandable that people can make mistake, but there are those out there that willfully make the mistake of professing a narrative to be true when it is false.

The tragedy of it all, those who walk that path with such a mindset are often the biggest targets to Babylon. As we can see, some show themselves to be examples, and never change, thus engineering their own destruction when Babylon sweeps over the West and the East to her choosing.

9 hours ago, Thinking said:

Who is EJW and  where is he now…if I may ask 

A long time ago there were some EXJW who were critical of their former faith, agreed and disagreed on some things but never went down the apostasy route compared to their disgruntled counterparts. Basically when anything JW related is brought up, the disgruntled troop will show up cause trouble, in this case regarding years like 1914 or 1975, if they say something different outside of the EXJW Agenda, they're attacked. This YouTuber was relentlessly attacked to the point the community got his channel removed, so no channel means no revenue. This is parallel to John's Cedars friend, of which I mentioned to @Equivocation who had EXJWs send him death threats, fat shamed him, and did all sort of attacks (this includes the one who became a Wiccan, leading the charge) even terminated 2 specific videos which could potentially helped JWs and EXJWs in regards to the CSA situation. It was brutal to the point that some people had to defend this person, even some from your faith.

According to people like Ezekiel, even some Bible Students, like Reslight, who is very critical of JWs and EXJWs, they are often attacked by the EXJW community, and like always, Trinitarians in some cases show up to instigate the situation.. They'll attack anyone who assumes otherwise. This is why it is difficult to find any neutral channels and or those affiliated with your faith.

Someone made an example a while back that also fits the narrative, compared the community and those like that to a Marvel villain known as Galactus whereas where there is life, he shows up to consume it entirely unless stopped strategically by those who know the threat.

This often times spills over into the Christian and debate communities concerning the Bible.

It is also proven should any of these people are brought up in the community, people like @Witness or @Srecko Sostar would never attest to such people existing. Because in order to preserve the Agenda, that community drowns out such persons.

Mainstream Christendom tend to do the same thing also, but should anyone find out, they tend to obscure things, i.e. Soco Films is an example, as with various Movements backed by Babylon the Great.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

All we know is that the end will come within the generation that sees fulfilled on it the sign that Jesus Christ said would then be in evidence. (See Matthew chapters 24, 25.) All indications are that the fulfillment of this sign began in 1914. So we can be confident that the end is near; we do not have the slightest doubt that God will bring it about, the speaker stressed. - w74 10/15 page 635

This simply says the End is Near. Nothing pertains to 1975 being the end of this world. What kills it for you, the actual notation from whatever you posted went on to address the following - 6,000 years of man’s existence

Hence the following, of which you cut off to fool everyone:

[The publications of Jehovah’s witnesses have shown that, according to Bible chronology, it appears that 6,000 years of man’s existence will be completed in the mid-1970’s. But these publications have never said that the world’s end would come then. Nevertheless, there has been considerable individual speculation on the matter.]

The only nod to God's Day is cited once, in the article you mentioned and that one time attested to the fact that this, and is the pervious never suggested what you and @Witness are claiming. In fact Witness herself stated the latter indeed attest to the notion.

Let's continue.

It also states the following:

[So the assembly presentation “Why We Have Not Been Told ‘That Day and Hour’” was very timely. It emphasized that we do not know the exact time when God will bring the end. All we know is that the end will come within the generation that sees fulfilled on it the sign that Jesus Christ said would then be in evidence. (See Matthew chapters 24, 25.)]

This is why I cited @JW Insider experienced in which you agreed with him on, and the fact I mentioned to @Dmitar what is often overlooked, preaching the gospel regarding Matthew 24:14.

Remember, prior to God's Day, there would be no preaching of the good news gospel, instead, a message of judgement, evidently God's people, as is the chosen, would no longer being preaching at all, as if the gospel work came to an end. So as we can see, in the 70s, JWs were effectively still preaching, it makes no sense to claim God's Day will occur if

• [A] Preaching the gospel still was in practice
• [B] No preaching of judgment, instead the gospel of the Messianic Kingdom.

So this alone also breaks the EXJW narrative.

According to various experiences, and the one from the EXJW before termination, people were indeed still preaching around those days, even after 1975.

Furthermore, the fact Matthew 24 was even cited, kills the narrative.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Mitigating the outcome of the end in 1975 with the claim that the end comes within the generation of 1914 means stretching the period in which the end (destruction of the evil world) will occur definitively.

Actually you are incorrect, you literally have the citation of your source, perhaps read it. This just shows you do not even read what you cite. again, no sense of critical thought here, on your part.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Your and SM's attempt to defend 1975 is in vain. 

One can literally read your source, it never even said God's Day would occur in 1975.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

You need to be aware that "1975" was in fact within the lifetime of the "1914 generation", from WT perspective.

Yet Matthew 24 and 25 puts you in a contradiction. 

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

It means that WTJWorg’s “prediction” was based, and even justifiably based, on the doctrine and interpretations of the time.

Yet no evidence of them stating the world's end in 1975. And even in the 70s, they were still preaching the gospel.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Because if they were right with the definition of "generation", the end could really have come in 1975, if we had looked at it from their position at the time. :)))

And that alone shows you ignored the verses in Matthew and didn't read the article.

That being said, I do not know who is more foolish, a David Wood follower, or a heavily misguided EXJW.

Many people have come to realize that the false assertion of which you are defending is false. This is why the EXJWs who did find this out spoke up, and clearly they were attacked for it.

The end result is no claim of a world's end ever was utter by them in regards to 1975, end of story.

10 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

A lot has been said, because a lot of it has been written about 1975 in WTJWorg publications.

Then show evidence of which @Witnesscannot.

The EXJWs, those who believed, sated that the JWs specifically stated God's Day was to occur in 1975.

So can you kindly please show me this information (granted both you and Witness was asked this many, many times, and in Witness' case, her original posts in the cited thread, she said they did, I even quoted her, twice)

Right now, you are acting out the same way as those I refuted regarding Jen Psaki and her nonsensical statements.

10 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

There is no need to explain this from me, because it is the rhetoric that is widely used by GB and WTJWorg.

Predictable response. Therefore my latter statement proved my case.

10 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

But you haven't become a "Truther" yet, have you?  

This is coming from a  guy who does not even know what that community is about.

10 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

You have a lot of difficulty in various forms of perception, while you put other people in boxes that you shape yourself of your choice, don't you?

Because you set yourself up. You already know how I react to false claims and falsehood, so setting yourself up will only yield criticism and or a response should the notion shows itself to be false.

10 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Even Dmitar warned me about your modus operandi.  

He makes an assumption, but granted my experience, I get such a lot. As do many, even my rivals, some being way to offended by the fact that I rely heavily on logic and facts.

Well of course [modus operandi - the way in which something operates or works], I do operate in the manner of seeking truth and calling out what is false.

11 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

WT exposes itself by exposing its past by blaming its own flock of sheep for alleged rumors that the flock began to spread on its own.

Unfortunately that was the case, speculative narratives.

11 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

It is absurd to believe in GB claim that JW sheep started bleating about 1975 unprovoked. The then and present WTJWorg administration is a church hierarchy that does not allow anything to happen beyond their control.

I'm pretty sure they made the point.

11 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

And today you are trying to sell us the claim that these were some insignificant or semi-insignificant JW rank and file members who started mass hysteria (rumors) of such magnitude that even today WTJWorg publications have to write about it on the pages of WT magazine that is studied at JW meetings ?

Because when people do the research be it a current JW or former, they now know. Even the non religious knows. 1975 was based off an assumed speculation.

11 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

If 8 million JWs have to read and discuss this in meetings today because GB decided it was important for today's JWs to learn, then it's hard to accept your thesis that it was just rumors that were the product of the intellectual incompetence of a few JWs from period before 1975.

And yet there were discussions, as the EXJW mentioned in his video, as did others, who were aware, likewise to those who were there that day.

That being said, you can instantly prove everyone as foolish here by simply quoting what the EXJWs who believe this to be true, but every time when asked, nothing is produced.

In all honesty, as pointed out, you and Witness were shown to believe anything and everything without research. You even ignored one of your own who suffered at the hands of John Cedars followers. A shame.

11 hours ago, Witness said:

This is what I suggest. 

Your original posts said otherwise.

11 hours ago, Witness said:

Buy yourself a 25 piece puzzle on Amazon, and practice putting it together until you see the entire picture on the box. 

There is no need to for again, facts and evidence proven the narrative to be false.

If anyone was using puzzles, it was you, who used various images and notions to assume the speculative narrative to be true. You even attested to the fact they did say things when it is non existent.

11 hours ago, Witness said:

Then, revisit 1975, put the pieces - all of the Wt  articles pertaining to 1975, together, and you will see the entire picture.  (but you already know that)

I did, and yet none of their works even archives stated God's Day would be on a specific day and time of 1975.

It does not make any sense either granted, prior to God's Day, the preaching of Judgment did not occur, nor did any of them stopped preaching the gospel. In JWI case, his experienced showed that there was activity in gospel preaching prior, during and after the events.

Well of course I would know, this isn't the first time you have asserted this narrative, showing you to not be truthful.

11 hours ago, Witness said:

Better yet, find a JW who sold his house around 1975, and forfeited his job to prepare for Armageddon. 

This is due to assuming due to speculative narrative. They heard and came to their own conclusion. The EXJW brought that up in his video before his termination. To make it simpler for you he stated that a large crowd of people listed to what was said and some people heard differently resulting in them taking action compared to others who did not. He also stated that even among the community, there was 2 groups of JWs, those that understood vs those who assume God's Day to be taking place soon, and their were discussions, arguments, etc. This is the same case with those who visited JW churches in those days, for the onlookers who weren't even JWs gave their insight.

When it comes to speculation, people do panic. We already have example, the Ukraine War, COVID-19, which sparks panic and what transpired recently. Even before the 70s, the actions of old men cause people to panic too and quit jobs and sell everything vs those who did not.

Therefore, this argument point of yours is null.

11 hours ago, Witness said:

Ask him, if he believed the organization's leaders told him that 1975 was the date for Armageddon.  (you already know his answer)

I did, I spoke to some, even those who visited. Likewise, with some EXJWs who did give their perspective, hence the YouTuber. Not everyone, even some EXJWs believe the narrative pushed by their own community.

(ironic how you make no mention of those cast out for believing otherwise)

11 hours ago, Witness said:

If you can't envision the "picture" puzzle

So I am suppose to pretend without question that they and or any of their works stated God's Day will occur in 1975?

That makes no sense. Likewise with the fact people were still preaching around that time, hence the verse I mentioned to @Dmitar.

11 hours ago, Witness said:

or you don't believe the JW

Well they never made the suggestion, even JWI pointed it out, as did others.

11 hours ago, Witness said:

you are either blind, hard of hearing, a liar, or a manipulator

I am not blind - I do research, come to the conclusion if something is factual and or false. I am capable of critical thought; read into things thoroughly, for I tend to read things multiple times, if need be.

I am not hard of hearing - Granted we are on the internet, clearing we cannot hear each other - poor choice of words.

I do not lie - Truthers do not lie, we attest to truth, like those before us. You make this claim, but you are the one who cannot produce evidence. Even when one of your own is thrown under the bus, you make sure even his word is not heard.

I do not manipulate - If anyone is a manipulator, it is you. Your original post, you attempt to convince me and others with a reddit source that made claim JW did say 1975 was God's Day and they had articles specifically saying that. When called out for it, you lashed out on those who assume you are blind, which happens to be true. Then when the facts was presented, you act out the same way as you are now, caught in a bind.

The problem here is you are caught up in your own revelation, or, as mentioned, being a tool of Mainstream Christendom who embolden your community to act the way you do. Likewise with the Franz notion connecting to 1975.

Delusions all around, and it has been exposed.

12 hours ago, Witness said:

for whatever reason, only you know.

I have no reasons of my own. I see falsehood or deception, I call it out, with facts/evidence if needed, nothing more.

The Agenda was refuted.

That being said, do the research because you are not doing yourself any sort of justice. 

2 hours ago, Witness said:

Dear Dmitar, dear Allen, 

Unfortunately, @Dmitar is right, so was @JW Insider, as was the EJW that got terminated by your community, who probably went homeless afterwards, who knows.

2 hours ago, Witness said:

Who are you trying to protect?  What are you defending?

It is more so of a True Witness vs a False Witness.

The truth is that no one understood the end to be 1975 granted they took context, however, some speculated, and drew their own conclusion. Your former faith never stated anywhere of a world ending in any of their publications, which was already stated to you, not even in the archives it was suggested.

True Witness - Although they speak a lot of the End Times, as most Christians do, even our Mainstream adversaries, however, in regards to 1975, they never suggested what you claimed.

False Witness - Although the notion was directed towards @Srecko Sostar who brought it up, in the past, you made the claim that your former faith community DID say this one of several examples below:

On 11/8/2020 at 9:20 PM, Witness said:

JWs left in the dark, about the truth surrounding its announcement as the date for Armageddon. This includes those JWs who have conveniently forgotten what that time period of teaching involved. 

On 11/9/2020 at 6:46 AM, Witness said:

Wt leaders, including Fred Franz and his crafty speech about it, promoted 1975 as the coming year for Armageddon.  I wonder if these leaders were all purged from the organization.  Certainly Franz wasn’t.

These are 2 of many examples...

Your former faith group never suggested the end is 1975.

You said they said the end was 1975, yet when asked, you cannot produce.

Granted you lean towards a False Witness, may your own words be used against you here:

On 11/9/2020 at 5:18 PM, Witness said:

 An honest witness does not deceive, but a false witness pours out lies. Prov 14:5

Indeed, perhaps apply it.

5 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

This didn't stop JWI from voicing the same false narrative. It doesn't matter how you wish to approach it, you are correct, that false narrative was debunked by the Watchtower itself.

He did mention also no publication states the latter also, so this is why whenever the year comes in the the discussion, it is clockwork for the former JWs to do the same thing over and over again; a crux to their insanity. As mention also, what is sad is the fact should any of them do the research to find out that the JWs never suggested the end of the world in 1975, they effectively get attacked and excommunicated from the community. The YouTuber in question suffered badly at the hands of the one known as John Cedars.

That being said, when people speculate on something without looking further into it, it results in problems like this. As for our Mainstream Counterparts, even the ones who come here, they figuratively like seeing the world and or communities burn with these narratives.

8 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

You can add several more names to that list, here as vocal present members. They know who they are. 

I think they are aware that no such thing was mentioned that day to suggest God's Day being of that year. There were also some mentioned of one of the pastors of the JW faith known as Fred Franz, in which some speak truth and some speak falsehood, and that battle was shown to be on this forum too.

But now that you mention it, many seem to not think about Matthew 24:14 (ref) and or any verse pertaining to preaching the gospel of the Bible. Preaching would have to end before such a day, yes? In the 70s prior and during and after 1975, they were still all over the place.

So that in of itself, is another point which is overlooked and or ignored. The Trinitarian of whom Srecko backed/supported suggested the JWs stopped preaching before 1975 to make it seem what the Scriptures say what followers of Christ were to end up doing. The person I speak of was around a lot even during your last tenure.

That being said, the only way this 1975 thing can be settled if the faith community did what that EXJW did, by putting forth all information for that day, consolidated so anyone can read.

@JW Insider So the Independent Journalist (who gets angry in this one) speaks again. Video is somewhat long, but there are parts pertaining to how this could effect people. As in regards to what was said about China may be taking place and there is escalation. Elsewhere there is talks about Cyber Attacks being increased so many will have to brace.

Aside from that the conflict has caused some people to react to some acts that they would not normal do, such as steal gas from other cars due to the current situation - https://www.wvva.com/2022/03/11/criminals-are-getting-creative-steal-gas-your-tanks/

3 hours ago, Thinking said:

It was Not EVER said Gods day would come or Armageddon…..it was alluded to strongly that it was a significant event and meant something important ….

Exactly, so every time I see someone say the JWs claim 1975 is God's Day or the End is to come, I call them out for it. The EXJWs and the Mainstream also weaponize this narrative, this is why when I ask for a direct quotation, they only give me an image that does not pertain to what is being asked.

The sad part of it all, there were some EXJW that were essentially kicked out of the EXJW community who said otherwise after Research, this is why I brought up the YouTuber as an example, in which followers that follow @Srecko Sostar's favorite willful adulterous, Ceadrs, had his livelihood demolished.

All videos terminated, and channel terminate, all because he knew about 1975 despite the fact he agreed and even disagreed with JWs on somethings. This shows that Apostates also prey on former members who do not truly link up with their community. There are several instances like this.

That being said, a while back YouTube use to be somewhat of a job for monetary gain (it still is but back then it was an early stage) for some people early on, and in those days, that is where their currency/money comes from. So can you imagine, you a YouTuber, and YouTube is your only job only for a group of people to show up and terminate your livelihood because they wanted to keep their Agenda as the main historical narrative from their point of view?

3 hours ago, Dmitar said:

JWI experience lack facts. He agrees with many false claims coming from former Jehovah’s Witnesses. He hasn't held back punches and is very vocal about not accepting certain prophetic timelines. 

Unfortunately concerning what was said to Srecko, the focus was experience. As for Facts, 1975 was pure speculation that birthed the concept of 1975 produced by former JWs, so the claim made by the latter is false and was debunked numerous times.

The reason Witness said what she said shows you has no evidence, performing a Razor in the process.

Speaking of 1975, unknown to EXJWs who still believe that narrative, the Mainstreamers who are are of JWs and their former members, often times exploit these claims to draw them to their side. On this forum alone @Witness and @Srecko Sostar, as is Butler, all fell victim to it. @Cos goateed them, as did the deserter known as @Jesus.defender and the other Trinitarians who often crawl out of the abyss whenever specific years and dates are brought up. Both Witness and Srecko also fail to see how they became tools to Trinitarians in the process, and there is ample evidence of that here.