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3 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:
Unfortunately you seem to be treating Pearl as a god I don't see quotes from anyone else here.
Did you know that the anointed who are under covenant with God are referred to as “gods”? They are “living stones” of God’s Temple. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17 They are the firstborn/firstfruits sons of God. If they become one with Christ as his Bride, would they not be gods? https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Pet+2%3A5%2C9%3B+1+Cor+3%3A16%2C17+&version=NKJV
I said, "You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High. Ps 82:6
John 10:34-36 -
"Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’? If he called them ‘gods,’ toward whom the word of God came —
Those who received the word of God were God's people under covenant: Jude1:3; Matt.25:14; 13:11; 11:25,27; 16:17; 1Cor.4:1,2; 2:10; 1Pet.1:12,25; Eph.3:10; Isa.53:1; Amos3:7; Gal.1:11,12; John3:11 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jude1%3A3%3B+Matt.25%3A14%3B+13%3A11%3B+11%3A25%2C27%3B+16%3A17%3B+1Cor.4%3A1%2C2%3B+2%3A10%3B+1Pet.1%3A12%2C25%3B+Eph.3%3A10%3B+Isa.53%3A1%3B+Amos3%3A7%3B+Gal.1%3A11%2C12%3B+John3%3A11&version=NKJV
and Scripture cannot be set aside— what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? John1:14,9; 18:37; 7:16; 12:49 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John1%3A14%2C9%3B+18%3A37%3B+7%3A16%3B+12%3A49&version=NKJV
Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?" John 10:34-36
3 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:Also your quote from (What Does the Bible Really Teach? p. 184). I could not find it there in the book.
The page number is my mistake. I am sorry. It is in Chapter 18, under the subheading of “The Meaning of your Baptism” starting on page 182. Paragraph 24 is where the quote comes from.
3 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:So where are all these spiritual Jews ?
I would have thought they would have a joint website /page of some sort. That seems to be the way of getting a message out to all people.
I cannot just take the word of one person, i need to see a 'movement of people' with proof that they are serving God properly.
There is a web page that I have given you. It has thousands of visitors each day who read and learn. Most do not state their name, because Christ knows who the faithful are, who are hungry and who want understanding. Yet, on that page are links to facebook pages, where many members are gathering by name. Not all member are believers, as quite a few are still staunch JWs. The food is offered, free for the taking. It is up to the heart’s desire to either continue taking in spiritual food or to leave it behind. It is the Marriage Feast. Rev 22:17 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+22%3A17&version=NKJV
We should remember that those whom God calls to expose the sins of His people, are lowly and despised. They are despised by their own people. Many will not recognize them. 2 Pet 3:4; Luke 19:41,42, Jer 13:17; Matt 13:15; Mark 4:12; Ezek 12:2; Rev 3:3 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Pet+3%3A4%3B+Luke+19%3A41%2C42%2C+Jer+13%3A17%3B+Matt+13%3A15%3B+Mark+4%3A12%3B+Ezek+12%3A2%3B+Rev+3%3A3+&version=NKJV
The “movement” begins with one individual – Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Elijah, Moses, Micah, Hosea, John the Baptist. Jesus promised that “Elijah” would restore “all things”. Matt 17:11; Dan 12:4; Rev 11:1-3 What would this one restore? Truth, that “living stones” are to make known. What does this one reveal? Lies, that false prophets have taught to seduce “living stones” and companions. Teachings, that the Temple Body of Christ must come together in unity, which will be manifested in the Kingdom. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+17%3A11%3B+Dan+12%3A4%3B+Rev+11%3A1-3 &version=NKJV
To serve God properly does not take a regimented organized commitment to men. That is influence from Satan’s realm. Jesus has nothing to do with Satan’s type of “organization”. God has already organized His form of worship, His Temple, beginning with the foundation stones and the cornerstone, Christ. 1 Cor chapter 12; 1 Cor 3:11; Eph 2:19-22 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Cor+12%3A1-31%3B+1+Cor+3%3A11%3B+Eph+2%3A19-22&version=NKJV
It requires a desire of the heart to want to align itself with God’s decrees in Christ, and it takes earnest effort. This is how we worship in spirit and truth, relying on the Father and Jesus’ help in spirit, to lead one to truth which those whom Christ sends (not whom men appoint), provide. John 4:23,24; John 13:20 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+4%3A23%2C24%3B+John+13%3A20&version=NKJV
It is the Great Tribulation – different from all other spiritual difficulties God’s people have experienced throughout history. Matt 24:21 Your struggles show it; you are in the process of sifting the truth from the lies. If God chooses a lowly woman to bless with Holy Spirit and reveal the sins of His people, who are we to question His actions? https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+24%3A21&version=NKJV
For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; and the base things of the world and the things which are despised, God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are that no flesh should glory in His presence. 1 Cor 1:26-29
“base things” can mean, “of no family, a man of base birth, a man of no name or reputation”
Pearl certainly had no reputation in the organization, as do most anointed ones, as well as myself. You will know if what one teaches is truth, if everything that person says is backed up with God’s Word and teaches what Christ taught, just as the apostles did. You already notice the oppression of the anointed in the organization, the trampling of God’s “Temple” by elders Matt 24:14-16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3 It is a “disgusting thing” that we are to flee from – and we go the “mountains”, “Israel”, represented by the anointed “living stones” of God’s Temple/Zion. The “prophesy” that “Elijah” trumpets, is to these “mountains”, to leave their captivity and return to their Head, Jesus Christ. Matt 25:1 And it is to those restored "mountains"/hills, where those leaving the “city”, go, who desire to join the Marriage Feast. Matt 22:4
(See Ezekiel chapter 36 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezek+36&version=NIV)
The links are to scriptures, which hopefully make it easier to read them.
Rev 18:4-8 - And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. 6 Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her. 7 In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’ 8 Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her.
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The Watchtower House is struggling to maintain its self-appointed reputation as a “spiritual paradise”. It is facing a financial crisis of large proportions partly due to exposure of its past hidden pedophile issues, which may be contributing to necessary downsizing world-wide. Corruption of values at Bethel is finally becoming fully exposed; not only by those who have left Bethel but it is clearly evident by the governing body’s attempt to address pertinent issues via their broadcasting center.
They have released a new video, and it is the first to be presented by its most recent member, Kenneth Cook, Jr. In a soft-spoken manner, he broached the delicate topic of being honest when applying for Bethel/construction work, expressing also the need for physical, moral and spiritual cleanliness.
He says,
“Before submitting an application or expanded theocratic service, it’s important to consider prayerfully how you’ll respond to the questions on the application.
HEBREWS 13:18 SAYS, WE WISH TO CONDUCT OURSELVES HONESTLY IN ALL THINGS.
So you should be honest in answering the questions on the application, especially those that have to do with your physical health and spiritual health.“
Dare I go into the organization’s dishonest acts against Christ’s sheep, of misleading them with consistent lies? Their acts of plagiarism, double-speak, failed prophesies, reasons for disfellowshipping and “trampling” the Temple of God promoted by a Wicked Slave, all speak candidly of the Watchtower’s little practice in regard to honesty in all things. Matt 24:15; Rev 11:1,2;2 Thess 2:3,4; Matt 24:48-51 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+24%3A15%3B+Rev+11%3A1%2C2%3B2+Thess+2%3A3%2C4%3B+Matt+24%3A48-51&version=CSB
Please notice this one example from a book that has been widely used by JWs to lead “Bible studies” into the organization and what is fondly called, “the truth”. This concerns one’s dedication at baptism:
“Going beneath the water symbolizes that you have died to your former life course. Being raised up out of the water indicates that you are now alive to do the will of God. Remember, too, that you have made a dedication to Jehovah God himself, NOT TO A WORK, A CAUSE, OTHER HUMANS, OR AN ORGANIZATION. Your dedication and baptism are the beginning of a very close friendship with God—an intimate relationship with him.” (What Does the Bible Really Teach? p. 184)
On the day of baptism, what question must the newly indoctrinated ones “answer in the affirmative”?
"Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses IN ASSOCIATION WITH God's spirit-directed ORGANIZATION?" Watchtower 1985 Jun 1 p.30
At that point, the prospective candidates are fully trapped before an audience of possibly thousands. Col 2:8; Rev 13:10 Will they remember what they read in their study book and rethink their upcoming baptism, or will they be caught in the moment of emotional elation, eager to fulfill a vow and join “Jehovah’s organization”?
If one was to answer “no” to this second baptism question, the organization would disqualify the individual from becoming “an ordained minister of Jehovah”. This, in spite of what they learned during cozy Bible studies conducted in their own home, by usually “two witnesses” who were to impart scriptural truth. Amos 3:5; (Matt 18:16) (wt 17 April p. 4-8, par.11) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Col+2%3A8%3B+Rev+13%3A10%3B+Amos+3%3A5%3B+Matt+18%3A16+++&version=CSB
In the Watchtower, one’s “intimate relationship with God” is fully dependent on “work” toward the “cause” outlined by false teachers, which is to bolster an organization. How twisted it all becomes, very early in the life of a JW.
Working toward a human cause is the underlying theme of Mr. Cook’s video:
“Submitting your application may open a door of opportunity to serve Jehovah and his organization in a variety of ways. Of course, there’s a place or everyone in Jehovah’s service. Whether we’re working hard as a congregation publisher, a regular pioneer, a Bethelite, or on a theocratic construction project we have the satisfaction of knowing that Jehovah treasures all that we’re doing because of our heartfelt love for him. Heb 6:10 says, ‘God is not unrighteous so as to forget your work and the love you showed for his name by ministering and continuing to minister to the holy ones.’”
His use of this scripture is his attempt to imply JWs are slaving for God; which is in error. Instead, it is the governing body and its Wild Beast stinging locust-scorpion army. Rev. 13:1,2,5-7,9:1-4;13:11,12,14-17 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.+13%3A1%2C2%2C5-7%2C9%3A1-4%3B13%3A11%2C12%2C14-17&version=CSB
Hopefully, this post will help you understand that God does not treasure any effort done on behalf of “Jehovah’s organization”. What caught my attention was Mr. Cook’s use of Ps 127:1
He said, “regardless of where we are serving, we need Jehovah’s blessing to be successful.”
A Song of Ascents. Of Solomon.
“Unless the Lord builds a house,
its builders labor over it in vain;
unless the Lord watches over a city,
the watchman stays alert in vain.” (CSB)From an earlier post, I had said -
Solomon proclaimed that the temple he would build for God, would be “a great spiritual temple”; and it was for a fact, a magnificent physical achievement. He exclaimed, “And the temple which I build will be great, for our God is greater than all gods. But who is able to build Him a temple, since heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain Him? Who am I then, that I should build Him a temple, except to burn sacrifice before Him?” 2 Chron 2:5,6 (9); 2 Chron 6:2 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Chron+2%3A9%3B+6%3A2&version=NKJV
Still, “the glory of the Lord had filled the Lord’s house”, even though God’s words to David reveal to us a greater temple that was to come – the anointed Body of Christ. 2 Chron 7:1,2,12; 5:13; John 2:19-22; 1 Chron 14:11; 1 Chron 17:9-14
Something greater than Solomon is here, and it isn’t the Watchtower leaders and their earthly organization. Matt 12:42
“HE – Jesus Christ - shall build Me a HOUSE, and I will establish his throne forever.” 1 Chron 17:12
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Chron+7%3A1%2C2%2C12%3B+5%3A13%3B+John+2%3A19-22%3B+1+Chron+14%3A11%3B+1+Chron+17%3A9-14%3BMatt+12%3A42&version=NKJV
Consider the quote from Watchtower’s “Insight” Book, pp. 513,514:
“Peter quoted and applied to Jesus Christ this prophecy (Isa 28:16) regarding the “foundation cornerstone” on which individual ANOINTED Christians are built up as “living stones,” TO BECOME A SPIRITUAL HOUSE OR TEMPLE . (1Pe 2:4-6)
Dear JWs, are you able to discern that the House you are working for doesn’t belong to God? Can you perceive that your laboring for the Watchtower is in vain? Which “House” do you believe God expects us to support and will give His blessing upon? Warwick’s Bethel which the organization still attempts to hoist onto a pedestal? Rev 13:1,4 Or, is it God’s Temple House in the anointed ones and reflected in the deeper meaning behind Ps 127? 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16; Eph 2:20-22 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+13%3A1%2C4%3B+1+Cor+3%3A16%2C17%3B+2+Cor+6%3A16%3B+Eph+2%3A20-22++&version=CSB
Further in Ps 127:
“In vain you get up early and stay up late,
working hard to have enough food—yes, he gives such things to his loved ones while they sleep.”
Back to Heb 6, and verses 7,8:
“For the ground that drinks the rain that often falls on it and that produces vegetation useful to those for whom it is cultivated receives a blessing from God. 8 But if it produces THORNS AND THISTLES, it is worthless and about to be cursed, and at the end will be burned.”
Watchtower’s Bethel is not sanctioned by God as His dwelling. Acts 17:24 No matter how much effort an individual labors for the Beast/organization, they will awaken each day, still spiritually hungry. Amos 8:11 A false priesthood is incapable of producing the same life-giving “bread” as God’s House built on Christ’s true anointed priests. John 6:35; 1 Cor 10:17; Rom 12:1,5; 1 Pet 2:5,9 Yet, in the Watchtower House a “disgusting thing” - “thorns and thistles”- stands and rules over, the true spiritual House/Temple of God. Ezek 2:6,7; Hos 10:8; Rev 11:1,2
The spiritual food they present you, and approved by a Wicked Slave/Harlot/FALSE PROPHET is “worthless”. Matt 7:15-20;13:7; Rev 9:5 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+17%3A24%3B+Amos+8%3A11%3B+John+6%3A35%3B+1+Cor+10%3A17%3B+Rom+12%3A1%2C5%3B+1+Pet+2%3A5%2C9%3B++Ezek+2%3A6%2C7%3B+Hos+10%3A8%3B+Rev+11%3A1%2C2%3B+Matt+7%3A15-20%3B13%3A7%3B+Rev+9%3A5+&version=NKJV
From Pearl Doxsey’s article, “Where is Bethel?"
Where would the location of God's Temple be, in our physical realm?
Christ is the cornerstone of that Temple, and the living stones added upon the foundation of apostles and prophets (Eph.2:20-22), are those whom God chooses...
the humble, dejected by the world, and God-fearing. His spirit comes to dwell within them (1Pet.2:5; 1Cor.3:16,9; 6:19; Heb.3:6;Luke 17:21; 1Cor.2:9-12). So, God's "Bethel" is not physical at all, but spiritual (Heb.3:6). His true worshipers worship IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH (John 4:23-24; Ps.51:17-18)... not in million dollar construction projects, or a billion dollar corporation (John 18:36).”The “restored” true spiritual House of God is free of such captivity to stinging lies, sin and the ruling power of men. God’s “living stones” submit to the necessary cleansing to become acceptable vessels, carrying Christ’s words of truth, “to the ends of the earth”. Mal 3:1-3; Acts 1:8; Rev 11:4; Zech 4:9,11,12,14; 11:3 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mal+3%3A1-3%3B+Acts+1%3A8%3B+Rev+11%3A4%3B+Zech+4%3A9%2C11%2C12%2C14%3B+11%3A3 + &version=NKJV
They are the arrows in the quiver held by Christ during the final battle of truth against lies.
Ps 127 continues:
3 Sons are indeed a heritage from the Lord,
offspring, a reward.
4 Like arrows in the hand of a warrior
are the sons born in one’s youth.
5 Happy is the man who has filled his quiver with them.
They will never be put to shame
when they speak with their enemies at the city gate. Ps 127:3-5From Pearl Doxsey’s “The Table” -
Jesus "treading down" the "grapes", is when he wars against those false teachings and all who teach them. (Isa.63:2,3; Rev.19:11,14-16). At first, he must do this alone (Isa.50:2; 63:3; Rom.3:10; Rev.3:2), because all anointed in the time of the end have been mislead into worshiping the Wild Beast (Isa.59:4,9-21; Rev.12:9; 13:7,9).
These must be released from Satan's lies (Rev.12:15; 9:14; John8:44) before they can ride forth for truth.
The restoration of pure worship and God’s House is the result of Satan’s creative trap and delusion; which is Watchtower’s working Beast – a spirit-breathed “mechanical” beast of symbolic scorpion-locusts, used for leading anointed and companions to their ruin; not for imparting life. 2 Thess 2:9-12; Rev 13:1,15 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thess+2%3A9-12%3B+Rev+13%3A1%2C15&version=CSB
In a favorite article of mine, Pearl writes:
Is the "restoration" the healing of the rift between God and "Jacob"? (Luke1:16,17; Mal.4:6)
Note Isa.49:6:
"he says: "It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth."
When we view the context of Isa.49:6; the connection to the two scriptures (you) cite, becomes apparent... (those two scriptures are Isa 2:1-5 and Rev 22:1-5: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa+2%3A1-5%3B+Rev+22%3A1-5&version=CSB )
8 This is what the Lord says:
“In the time of my favor I will answer you,
and in the day of salvation I will help you;
I will keep you and will make you
to be a covenant for the people,
to RESTORE the land
and to reassign its desolate inheritances,
9 TO SAY TO THE CAPTIVES, ‘Come out,’
AND TO THOSE IN DARKNESS, ‘BE FREE!’
12 See, they will come from afar—
some from the north, some from the west (Isa.2:2 E [“all nations will stream to it”])
"A LIGHT to the Gentiles" (Isa.49:6; 42:6) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa.49%3A6%3B+42%3A6&version=CSB
"...to those in DARKNESS, 'Be free!'" (Isa.49:9; 60:2) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa.49%3A9%3B+60%3A2&version=CSB
"The Rise of Mount Zion"
"Elijah Turns Hearts"
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2 hours ago, JW Insider said:
We need not focus on those ideas we don't agree with. Personally, I think it's important to communicate our questions and concerns about questionable teachings, too. But this is not up-building in the congregational setting. It's not the purpose of the meetings.
No, it’s not the purpose of those meetings, but why allow an obvious lie to be propagated? An up-building congregational setting in the apostle’s time was centered on Christ’s teachings, not the teachings of men. Where in the Bible does it say we must obey doctrines outside of Christ’s teachings? 2 Pet 2:2 We are to reject those ideas we see as blatantly wrong; and if they continue to add up, there’s something askew with the big picture – the organization and its existence. Gal 5:7; Rom 1:25; 2 Cor 11:3
2 hours ago, JW Insider said:I've used this particular forum as a place, outside the congregation, for the time and place to speak up about things I have sought, and things I have given up on. It's a place to discuss whether certain deeply entrenched things should be thrown out, preserved, or whether they should just be patched up.
Yes, and I have agreed with you on some things; yet, if you did this in the congregation you would become a target, someone to watch. Each person has a heart and a conscience that God expect us to exercise in righteousness. We are not to kowtow to men and their ideals. Christ never did, the apostles never did. They are our examples. We are to follow Christ’s teachings as God expects us to. We are to support God’s Son, not a GB who in their apparent pious way, are actually false “christs”. Matt 24:24
If we allow ourselves to be manipulated by doctrine of men, we are essentially their slaves. 1 Cor 7:23; 1 Thess 2:4; Rom 6:16
They have instilled the fear (you can’t see it) in JWs, that to obey God and Christ, it must be done through the organization. There is no valid scriptural reason for this. If it is challenged by someone in the organization, that one can be disfellowshipped. Would God bless an organization that throws out HIs children who care to serve Him, with their whole heart, mind and soul, instead of for and through a material corporation? Mark 12:29-31 Would God bless a "preaching work" that claims it leads people to salvation, when He only approved HIs Son as our salvation? Acts 4:12 Wouldn't you say that by following these cited scriptures the person is following God's decrees?
If one truly desires to serve the Father and Jesus, why would this be a confusing issue? Where is confidence that Holy Spirit can draw out and inspire those whom He needs to get the work done? Only men feel they need to control God's work and how it's accomplished. He, on the other hand, is fully in control of His "preaching work" and to whom must hear the message. Although it is claimed that God controls the organization, it is as if God really has no power or control, in the eyes of all in the organization. Zech 4:6; Matt 10:23
He chooses where his Spirit is directed. Obviously, men who teach out of their own resources would not be blessed by God. They give no scriptural support to the claim that God and Christ are in control of the organization. Their validity is all based on elemental calculations, and what the eye can see.
"Jesus answered them and said, “My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me. If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority. He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him." John 7:16-18
Should it be any different today among anointed "teachers" who purport to follow Christ?
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11 hours ago, JW Insider said:
Personally I don't think it's about any particular leaders at all, it's just a parable showing how easy it would be --due to the apparent delay of Christ's parousia-- to act unfaithfully and unwisely if we aren't putting the interests of the "household of faith" first. It's an illustration that spends a lot more time on the ways that this "servant" might be shown to be UNFAITHFUL rather than focusing on how faithful a particular slave might be. It's about one of the difficulties in remaining faithful, as we walk by faith not by sight, putting faith in the one who is unseen.
Every word of Christ was insightful, and valuable, warning us of the end and its circumstances. The “wicked slave” is apparent in Revelation 13:11 who directs a “Beast” that conquers the anointed. Rev 13:1, 7 The “wicked steward/slave” “beats” his fellow servants. Matt 24:48-51 The anointed Temple (1 Cor 3:16,17) is ruled over by the wicked slave's elder body/Beast. Rev 11:1,2; 2 Thess 2:3,4
Hopefully, the correlation comes clear that it all depicts the same scenario. An entity lead by a false prophet coerces the remnant to fall for a delusion. 2 Thess 2:9-12 Jesus’ words were not “just a parable” but a warning of what was to come upon the anointed remnant during the last days. False prophets were readily spoken of throughout the Greek scriptures. Captivity to “empty philosophy” fits right alongside with the teachings of false prophets. Col 2:8
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9 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:
Pearl Doxsey, an anointed one, Do you know for sure this person is an Anointed One ?
What proof do you have ? I'm not about to jump from the frying pan into the fire.
I understand, especially since the GB has tainted everything about Christ’s Truth.
1 John 4:1 - "Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."
The anointed are compared to trees and their “fruit”, or teachings -
“Be on your guard against false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravaging wolves. 16 You’ll recognize them by their fruit. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes or figs from thistles?17 In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit. 18 A good tree can’t produce bad fruit; neither can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So you’ll recognize them by their fruit. Matt 7:15-20
It takes effort on our part, to find the good trees. With God’s Holy Spirit, we will be able to discern “good fruit” from the “bad fruit”. You are already on your way to doing just that.
Pearl Doxsey has a “Personal File”. At the bottom of that page, she describes her anointing experience.
pearl - personalfile . blogspot . com
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Through the following Watchtower article directed at Christendom, one can perceive the evolution of the organization’s teachings, leading to its present state. It reveals a troubling story. The Watchtower once, with confidence, claimed it would not only flourish and grow, but provide abundant spiritual food up to the time of Armageddon. However, we find the opposite; not only visibly, but spiritually. I hope you read it, as well as the adjacent comments made by today’s leaders of the Watchtower. I do hope you can discern the organization’s hypocritical stand that has completely emerged over time. Revelation speaks of “demonic expressions” appearing initially as truth, yet growing into full-fledged lies. It is a plague of destructive proportions “coming out of the mouth” of the dragon, the false prophet and the beast/organization. It is compared to a flooding river that overtakes Christ’s “kings” under the New Covenant. Rev 16:13,14; 12:12,15,16; Matt 24:39; Luke 17:27 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=+Rev+16%3A13%2C14%3B+12%3A12%2C15%2C16%3B+Matt+24%3A39%3B+Luke+17%3A27+&version=CSB
Rev 16:14 uses the word, ekporeuomai, meaning “which goes forth” describing it as -
“to flow forth, of a river; to project, from the mouth of one”. This is in harmony with Rev 12:15, 16
Pearl Doxsey’s article “Earth Swallows Satan’s River” will give you a clear understanding of this spiritual deluge affecting God’s people during the last days.
(4womaninthewilderness blogspot)
Watchtower, 1953/11/1 pp. 649-652:
“To promote better church attendance, Christendom’s religions today are using everything from lollipops to cowboy movie stars.”
(!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QxDGtAsKFM !!!!)
It continues:
“Why must the clergy now resort to crafty promotional schemes, even eye-catching antics? This inability to attract people by the message preached prompts the thought that there MUST BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE RELIGIOUS FODDER dished out from the pulpit to Christendom’s pew-sitters. IF they are being served sound spiritual food, why should there be any lack of attraction, an apathetic flock? Could it be that there is a SPIRITUAL FAMINE in the land called Christendom? But from the name Christendom ASSUMES, one may imagine that it has an ABUNDANCE OF SPIRITUAL FOOD.”
Not only do JWs assume that all in the organization are God’s Chosen witnesses, (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; Rev 5:9,10), they assume their leaders are “faithful and discreet”, able to provide life-giving spiritual food. Matt 24:24; Isa 5:20-23; Matt 24:45-51 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa+43%3A10%3B+1+Pet+2%3A5%2C9%2C10%3B+Rev+5%3A9%2C10%3BMatt+24%3A24%3B+Isa+5%3A20-23%3B+Matt+24%3A45-51++&version=CSB
Present day Watchtower, 2019 March pg 13: “Jehovah is still speaking to us today. (Read Isaiah 30:21.) True, we do not hear God speak to us from heaven. He has, however, provided his written Word, the Bible, in which he gives us instruction. Additionally, Jehovah’s spirit MOVES “the faithful steward” to keep giving His servants their food supply. (Luke 12:42) WHAT AN ABUNDANCE OF SPIRITUAL FOOD we receive in the form of printed and online material, videos and audio publications!” https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa+30%3A21%3B+Luke+12%3A42&version=NKJV
We have a new year of confusing teachings. If God’s spirit “moves” the governing body to produce spiritual food, then indeed, they would be “inspired”; as “inspiration” influences, suggests, or moves an individual “to receive and communicate sacred revelation”, according to Merriam Webster dictionary. However, two years ago, we were told this wasn’t the case. (w17 February pp. 23-28)
Back in time to 1953 – “Yet when the clergy open their religious larders, the only abundance that presents itself is that of book reviews, tricks of magic, jazz bands, bingo games, lotteries, masquerade parties, coffee-and-doughnut socials, gas-filled balloons, and the BUFFOONERY of circus clowns. So one may rightly ask, Has the spiritual famine foretold by God’s prophet blighted Christendom?—“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord Jehovah, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of Jehovah.”—Amos 8:11
Please remember, JWs, Amos’ prophetic words apply to Israel and their fall into idolatry. Amos 8:1,2,13,14 (Gal 6:16; Rom 2:29; 9:6) Since God’s word is consistent, it is not Christendom that He is speaking of, but of spiritual “Israel” – His anointed people under covenant today. (Gal 4:26) They have supplanted the true God with the Wild Beast/organization. Isa 43:11; Rev 13:1,6,7,4 Once again, God’s nation has fallen into idolatry. They have allowed a Wicked Steward and its false priesthood to cut off the spiritual “bread” they would otherwise receive from their Master, Christ. Matt 24:48-51; Rev 6:5-8
Pearl Doxsey: “When Rev.6:6 tells us, "DO NOT HARM THE OLIVE OIL AND WINE”; perhaps you know from my past writings about this... that "olive oil" stands for Holy Spirit which acts as fuel for spiritual enlightenment (Matt.25:7,8; Heb.1:9; Psalm23:5; Zech.4:12,14; Rev.11:3,4).
Under this plague (caused by the "Wild Beast"/"Man of Lawlessness" 2Thess.2:4), it RESTRAINS the partaking of HOLY SPIRIT and it's ENLIGHTENMENT[but allows ONLY ITS OWN SPIRITUAL COMMERCE, based upon lies (Rev.13:17; 2Thess.2:7,10; Amos 8:11)]."Buying" is the acquisition of divine favor, guidance, stature, and instruction.
It is acquired by what one trades for it (or sells)...one's devotion, obedience, and honor (Rev.13:3,8).
Organized religion requires conformity and servitude to it's doctrines and leadership.
If you sell these away to men, they will give you approval and spiritual food.
This entire commerce is corrupt. All these things belong to Christ, and not to men, who exploit these things for their own glory and power. Who rightly owns our subjection and loyalty?
These should only be given to God and His Christ. (Rev.3:18; Mark8:34,35; 10:21; Matt.16:24)”(“Daily Bread”)
Watchtower 2015/11/15, pp 24,25: “The scope of the preaching work is remarkable. Our Bible-based literature is now published in over 700 languages. The Watchtower is the most widely distributed magazine in the world. Over 52,000,000 copies are printed each month, and the magazine is published in 247 languages.”
Remarkable? Two years from such a confident claim, this widely distributed abundant food, is compared to an over-filled “tool shed”.
Anthony Morris, during the 2017 Annual Meeting:
“We have so many tools to be used in the ministry it can be overwhelming and confusing, even to the best minds. Our teaching tool box that we’ve emphasized in recent years, what happened, it became a huge tool shed. A lot of you are nodding your heads. That’s okay, it’s not disloyal, it’s true.”
Apparently, there is a limit. Too much of a “good thing” has caused more harm than good. Eccl 12:11-14; John 7:16-18; 15:16 Morris admits it is confusion; which is the meaning of “Babylon”, the covenant promise of death the false prophet/Harlot of Revelation 13:11 entered into, when leaving truth in Christ. Isa 28:14,15; John 15:4; Rev 9:1;17:5 Should the truth in scripture be confusing to teach? Gal 1:6-9 ; 2 Cor 11:3 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Eccl+12%3A11-14%3B+John+7%3A16-18%3B+15%3A16%3B++Isa+28%3A14%2C15%3B+John+15%3A4%3B+Rev+9%3A1%3B17%3A5%3B+Rev+13%3A11%3B+Gal+1%3A6-9+%3B+2+Cor+11%3A3+++&version=CSB
To alleviate this over-abundant production of confusion, the governing body put their heads together and came up with a plan:
Mr. Morris: “In view of this, the governing body is adjusting the focus of our ministry. You’re getting the message addressing these two problems. We are one hundred percent with this unanimous, everybody in the department’s connected, are with it. They can sense Jehovah’s spirit moving and this is what Jehovah’s doing. It’s his chariot, he’s the driver. So, here’s the adjustments. Starting January 2018, there will only be three public editions of the Watchtower (pause and chuckle) For those that are tied in and heard some expressions down front, couldn’t help it…Only three public editions of the WT and three of the Awake magazines, the whole year. Yeah, I’m excited too. (chuckling). Uhh, I really am (chuckling). And what’s beautiful about this, they’re gonna cover one subject in the whole magazine. Start to finish, see. One subject.”
Watchtower’s larder includes a vast amount rotten food, or “fruit”; discarded teachings that must be purged. The reduction of magazines may signify financial resources are also shriveling up. Yet, think of the donations and service given by millions of JWs over the years which aided in filling this storeroom, only to see it come to naught. I would think an alarm would be going off in the minds of those listening to Mr. Morris choking on his own words. Ps 36:1-4 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+36%3A1-4&version=CSB
“A good person produces good things from his storeroom of good, and an evil person produces evil things from his storeroom of evil. 36 I tell you that on the day of judgment people will have to account for every careless word they speak. 37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” Matt 12:35-37 Luke 6:45; 1 Tim 4:16; Matt 7:15-20 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+6%3A45%3B+1+Tim+4%3A16%3B+Matt+7%3A15-20++&version=CSB
Will JWs heed the warning signs of “famine” in the Watchtower?
As a young woman who loved the outdoors, I took a wrong turn on a trail in a wilderness area in the far northern reaches of California. I was hiking alone in beautiful surroundings; most certain I would be back home by the time the sun set. The trail I was on showed little use and eventually became indiscernible from brush growth. I found myself lost, confused and hungry for three and half days, making both right and wrong decisions in my determination to find my way back out. I searched for anything that looked possibly edible; from berries to the questionable choices, along with water. On the afternoon of the fourth day, I had found the proximity of where I believed I had left my car. A family who happened to be the only people in the area, was finishing up their sight-seeing and thankfully aided my return home. Although famished, my body wouldn’t accept any real food immediately, growing accustomed to the lack of food intake. It took a while to gain ground and feel stable again, both physically and emotionally.
I equate this experience in some ways, to God’s priesthood and companions in the organization. They accept any food they receive from the Wicked Slave, under a regulated commerce of distribution by the elder body – Man of Lawlessness – that rules over the anointed Temple/priests. 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 13:7; Matt 24:15; 1 Cor 3:16,17 They are blinded to their own starvation as they continue to extend service to the organization’s needs. Ps 14:2-4; Matt 6:24; Rom 6:16; Gal 1:10 Their senses have become dulled, accepting any and all gleanings of spiritual food and “water” that is offered. Rev 8:10,11 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thess+2%3A3%2C4%3B+Rev+11%3A1%2C2%3B+13%3A7%3B+Matt+24%3A15%3B+1+Cor+3%3A16%2C17%3BPs+14%3A2-4%3B+Matt+6%3A24%3B+Rom+6%3A16%3B+Gal+1%3A10%3B+Rev+8%3A10%2C11%3B&version=CSB
How long can any JW survive in such a spiritually harsh environment, no matter how beautiful and appealing it may appear? When I left the Watchtower, I remembered again the experience of being lost in the wilderness; the disappointment, frustration and anger I felt for taking another serious life-altering turn; deeply regretting the many years of accepting whatever I was spiritually fed. Although emotions run high in those leaving the organization, many of us don’t realize our state of spiritual starvation. For those of us who begin pursuing authentic truth, we are conscience-striken, for our previous acts of idolatry against God. Ps 38:4-8;17,18,21,22; 2 Pet 3:9 We are keen to the need of spiritual sustenance, and endeavor to rebuild our spiritual resources, to become stable and confident in our faith toward God and Christ. Ps 25:8-11 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps+38%3A4-8%3B17%2C18%2C21%2C22%3B+2+Pet+3%3A9%3B+Ps+25%3A8-11++&version=CSB
I consider my time in the wilderness a disciplinary learning curve, to take the necessary precautions for future outings. Our time in the Watchtower “wilderness” can sharpen our spiritual senses, bringing them in harmony with Christ’s truths. Deut 8:2; Luke 22:31; Dan 7:25; 12:7; James 1:1-4; Rev 2:10; 13:7,10 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deut+8%3A2%3B+Luke+22%3A31%3B+Dan+7%3A25%3B+12%3A7%3B+James+1%3A1-4%3B+Rev+2%3A10%3B+13%3A7%2C10&version=CSB
Pearl Doxsey: “What then of the prophesied famine? (Amos 8:11)
This "famine" is not for literal food, but for the spiritual bread of our present discussion (Amos8:11; 2Chron.15:3; Ps.74:9; Lev.26:26;Eze.4:10,11,12,13; Rev.6:5,6)Dan.12:4 tells us that in the time of the end, "many" will rove about seeking spiritual food, due to the famine
(Rev.6:5,6,8; 18:8; 13:17; Isa.55:2).But most will not find the bread of life (Dan.12:4; Amos8:12,11; 2Tim.3:7; Rev.6:5,6; Matt.7:13,14), despite the work of the faithful to provide the very "food" they themselves are receiving (Isa.65:13; Luke12:37,42,43,44) from Christ (John15:15,4,5,8).
(“A Hidden Famine, A Hidden Feast”)
Let’s return to the Watchtower of 1953:
“With Christendom’s clergy having difficulty in attracting adult pew-sitters, it was rather ironical when a church in Pacific Beach, California, asked parents: “Are you having trouble getting your children interested in going to Sunday School regularly?” If they did, there was an ecclesiastical side show to enkindle interest. Called Operation 333, it was a puppet show. However, a traveling Baptist minister uses the side-show technique in order to appeal to young and old alike. In his revival meetings he uses four wooden dummies and his art of ventriloquism. Now he finds it easier to attract and hold an audience.”
Caleb, Sophia and their parents, a creative “side-show technique”, has come to life in the minds of JW children; the brainchild of the governing body, or perhaps only the member in the group photo attached. Keep in mind, these men declare themselves “faithful and discreet”, meaning faithful to Christ and his teachings by using God’s Word WISELY. Prov 3:7; Matt 24:5,4,24,25; 1 Tim 4:1
(“Who are the Fine Trees?” – 4womaninthewilderness blog)
Wt 1953 – “Occasionally, an individual church awakens to the fact that its problem of EMPTY PEWS cannot be solved by CRAFTY PROMOTIONAL SCHEMES—temporary boosters at best—but that there must be a turning to a reliance upon the pure word of God.”
As Anthony Morris compares the governing body with the early apostles distributing spiritual food, notice what he says in his Morning Worship comments on obedience:
“ As they (the apostles) traveled on through the cities they would deliver to them, all the congregations, for observance, the decrees that had been decided upon by the apostles and the elders who were in Jerusalem. So these decrees went out and because of their devoting themselves to the MINISTRY OF THE WORD and prayer, did Jehovah bless them?”
Yes, God blessed the apostles, because they spoke the word of God which was written on their heart and mind! Heb 8:10 They supported and taught Christ’s truth from the Father. Ps 12:9; Prov 7:2; John 7:16-18 Can the apostles who filled their minds and hearts with the pure teachings of Christ, and followed closely God’s laws, be compared to the makers of a side show, and who nurture their organizational idol? Have the anointed who have entangled themselves in confusion, disregarded God’s laws inscribed on their heart for the ideas of men? Jer 17:1-6; Rev 13: 1,2,5-8,11,14-17 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Heb+8%3A10%3B+Ps+12%3A9%3B+Prov+7%3A2%3B+John+7%3A16-18%3BJer+17%3A1-6%3B+Rev+13%3A+1%2C2%2C5-8%2C11%2C14-17&version=CSB
Morris declares:
“The decisions that are made by the “faithful slave” today are made collectively. No one man is making these decisions; these decisions if you want to call them a DECREE, are made collectively. So, when that DIRECTION comes out to Branch committee members, or when it comes out to the congregations; IF YOU WANT JEHOVAH’S BLESSING ON YOU as an individual or family, certainly as an elder or congregation, it’d be best to just ask Jehovah to help you understand it, BUT OBEY THE DECISION.”
Decrees from men, that are spoken outside of God’s Word fulfilled in Christ, are decrees from a false prophet who directs the Wild Beast to enforce them. Isa 29:13; Matt 15:9; 2 Cor 11:3,4; Col 2:20-22; 2 Pet 2:1; Eph 4:14; 1 Tim 6:3-5; Rev 2:14,15; Rev 13:14,15 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa+29%3A13%3B+Matt+15%3A9%3B+2+Cor+11%3A3%2C4%3B+Col+2%3A20-22%3B+2+Pet+2%3A1%3B+Eph+4%3A14%3B+1+Tim+6%3A3-5%3B+Rev+2%3A14%2C15%3B+Rev+13%3A14%2C15&version=CSB
Back to the Wt 1953 – “Because the land called CHRISTENDOM has COMMERCIALIZED God’s Word, Jehovah will pour out his wrath upon it: ‘I begin to bring evil ON THE CITY WHICH IS CALLED BY MY NAME, . . . And the slain of the LORD [Jehovah] shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth.’” (Jer. 25:29, 33)”
Now, this claim is so far-fetched, that the WT doesn’t have the courage to address it elsewhere on their internet site in reference to Christendom, that I have found. The organization has gathered within it, spiritual “Israel”, (meaning “God prevails”), the anointed ones. They are His “House”, His dwelling – “New Jerusalem”. Ps 122:1-5; Jer 7:14; Micah 6:2;1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16; Eph 2:20-22; Rev 21:1-5 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps+122%3A1-5%3B+Jer+7%3A14%3B+Micah+6%3A2%3B1+Cor+3%3A16%2C17%3B+2+Cor+6%3A16%3B+Eph+2%3A20-22%3B+Rev+21%3A1-5+&version=CSB
Under covenant with Him, would they not carry His name? Jer 31:33; Heb 8:10; Isa 43:6,7; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10 If faithful, they will eternally carry the name of God. Rev 2:13; 14:1 This is one of the more blatant, easy to catch lies if one cares to perceive it. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jer+31%3A33%3B+Heb+8%3A10%3B+Isa+43%3A6%2C7%3B+1+Pet+2%3A5%2C9%2C10%3B+Rev+2%3A13%3B+14%3A1+++&version=CSB
“For I am already bringing disaster on the city that bears My name, so how could you possibly go unpunished? You will not go unpunished, for I am summoning a sword against all the inhabitants of the earth. This is the declaration of the Lord of Armies.’
“As for you, you are to prophesy all these things to them, and say to them:
The Lord roars from on high;
he makes His voice heard from His holy dwelling.
He roars loudly over His grazing land;
He calls out with a shout, like those who tread grapes,
against all the inhabitants of the earth. Jer 25:29,30Surely you can link the pieces together. “Israel”, and those with them, receive a “shout” to leave the now “apostate city” for the sins they have committed, which has resulted in spiritual famine. Rev 18:4-8 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+18%3A4-8&version=CSB
As stated by the article, catchy ploys are used to draw people into “Jehovah’s organization”, just as Christendom is known to do. While the organization is busy leading you to believe the end time preaching work is to Christendom, in reality it is to “the city that is called by My name” – the anointed spiritual “Israel”. Matt 10:23; 24:14; Rev 11:3 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+10%3A23%3B+24%3A14%3B+Rev+11%3A3&version=CSB
FALSELY, the article continues to target Christendom and upbuild the “crafty promoters” of the WT:
“There is in the midst of famine-stricken Christendom an organization of Christians bringing to famished people the truth from God’s Word. It is the organization of Jehovah’s witnesses, the only group bringing the people the good news of Jehovah’s new world so near at hand. The message they bring needs NO CRAFTY PROMOTION, NO HELP FROM DEVILS, NO ENTICEMENTS. For Jehovah’s witnesses “are not those who COMMERCIALIZE or make gain [adulterators] of the word of God as many men are.” (2 Cor. 2:17, footnote, NW)”
Please read their sited scripture: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Cor+2%3A17&version=CSB
Be true to yourself, JWs. Empty pews, commercialism, buffoonery, reduction of spiritual “fodder”, all add up to the existence of FAMINE in the “city which is called by My name”. Can you really draw confidence in the organization to spiritually feed you abundantly? 1 Tim 4:1,2 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Tim+4%3A1%2C2&version=CSB
Historic Israel and its fall into idolatry can be symbolized by today’s spiritual “Israel” worshiping the “image” of the Wild Beast/Watchtower organization. (Rev 13:14-17 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+13%3A14-17&version=CSB
Isa chapter 48 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa+48&version=CSB
Or, perhaps you may want to listen here: https://www.biblegateway.com/audio/suchet/nivuk/Isa.48
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On 12/30/2018 at 10:59 AM, Srecko Sostar said:
Its members remain virgins in a spiritual sense by not defiling themselves with the beliefs and practices of “Babylon the Great,” the world empire of false religion. (Rev. 17:5) No doctrinal falsehood is “found in their mouths,” and they remain “without blemish” from Satan’s world. (John 15:19) In the future, the remaining anointed ones on earth “will follow” the Lamb right into heaven.—John 13:36.
Have Watchtower’s “virgins” walked in the path of Christ? Have they been persecuted by their own leaders just as Christ was? Have they stood up to faltering teachings and discarded “truth”, labeling it as a lie, just as Jesus boldly told the Pharisees that they were of their father the devil? John 8:44
Have they been “thrown out of the synagogues” – congregations – on account of upholding Christ? Have they been judged as spiritually “dead”?
“I have told you this, so that you will not give up your faith. 2 You will be expelled from the synagogues, and the time will come when those who kill you will think that by doing this they are serving God. 3 People will do these things to you because they have not known either the Father or me. 4 But I have told you this, so that when the time comes for them to do these things, you will remember what I told you. John 16:2,3
Have they shared the same “disgrace” as Christ did, among his own people?
Let us, then, go to him outside the camp and share his shame. 14 For there is no permanent city for us here on earth; we are looking for the city which is to come. Heb 13:13,14
Have they rejected the organization and its material strongholds - a “city” - that claims it will survive Armageddon?
As a result of being an outcast, have they experienced this:
A father will be against his son and a son against his father. A mother will be against her daughter and a daughter against her mother. A mother-in-law will be against her daughter-in-law and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.” Luke 12:53
“People will hand over their own brothers to be put to (symbolic) death, and fathers will do the same to their children; children will turn against their parents and have them put to death.” Matt 10:21
Jesus was speaking to his own people. How will this be fulfilled among those in the WT? It is a sign of the end times. But, Watchtower’s “virgins” appeared to have escaped all of this – already found “blameless”, even though discarded doctrines once preached as truth, are indeed, lies. It is also certain that if one were to do research, there would be a conflicting teaching about WT's virgins and their present state, just as with all topics found on the org’s website.
“Death”/disfellowshipping is a result of the rejection of a Wicked Slave and its drunken henchmen – who are the beating heart of the organization. Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:1,7,8,11,12,14-17
On the other hand, are these “foolish virgins” allowing themselves to be “trampled’ and muted, by this dual counterfeit power portrayed to be blessed by God?
Wise virgins of “New Jerusalem” have repented for listening to men and their doctrine, that requires revering its idol/organization. They have accepted instead the leadership of the Father and Christ. Although they suffer the unrighteous label of disgrace, they gladly leave such oppressive wickedness and drunkenness sourced in the “Harlot”/false prophet’s “wine”/teachings. Rev 17:1,2; 19:2
You suffering people of Jerusalem,
you that stagger as though you were drunk,
22 the Lord your God defends you and says,
“I am taking away the cup
that I gave you in my anger.
You will no longer have to drink
the wine that makes you stagger.
23 I will give it to those who oppressed you,
to those who made you lie down in the streets
and trampled on you as if you were dirt.” Isa 51:23Matt 24:15; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3,7
Dear JWs, I so wish you would wake up.
- Srecko Sostar and FelixCA
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11 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:
Heh.... but now,today, is 0 shares, confused i am now :))))
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On 1/3/2019 at 6:58 AM, Srecko Sostar said:
Witness, is it possible to see who or where people sharing articles?
Greetings to you also, Srecko
I really don't know how one could determine who shares, since it seems many who are not members could share anonymously. This sounds like a question for JW Insider!
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On 1/3/2019 at 11:52 AM, JOHN BUTLER said:
The question is though where do we go now ? Does God have a group of people here on this Earth whom i should be amongst ?
Pearl Doxsey, an anointed one, has an article entitled, “Where is the Truth?” on her page. It is found on the upper right under “Basic Articles”.
She has also made a soundcloud recording concerning why the anointed have been “scattered” in the organization and how the authentic “Mount Zion”/Temple rises and appears in the last days. Isa 2:2,3 (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)
She explains how the anointed Body of Christ ‘works’ under the proper circumstances when they accept only Christ as their Head, and not men.
Both the soundcloud and the article cover numerous scriptures to explain this. In fact, if you do decide to listen to the recording, you may want to divide it up into a few parts. She reads the scriptures for you.
- Srecko Sostar and FelixCA
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I noticed 46 "shares" of this comment, Srecko. Seems to me that people are recognizing GB's hypocrisy enough to pass it on.
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They work the system,underhandedly, for every penny the can get.
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20 hours ago, Space Merchant said:
Learn what a benefactor is, this time I will provide a small video for you because the both of you know that going to an investor's side to learn this stuff and or other defeats your claims:
I really don’t know what your goal is, other than to educate me in the ways of the world. You are extending a huge amount of energy doing so.
Of course. “Benefactor”
“Now there was also a dispute among them, as to which of them should be considered the greatest. And He said to them, “The kings (Elder Body/Man of Lawlessness) of the Gentiles (who are unanointed ones) exercise lordship over them, and those who exercise authority over THEM are called ‘benefactors.’ (GOVERNING BODY)
26 But not so among you; on the contrary, he who is greatest among you, let him be as the younger, and he who governs as he who serves. 27 For who is greater, he who sits at the table, or he who serves? Is it not he who sits at the table? Yet I am among you as the One who serves.” Luke 22:24-27
It is very true, that the elder body are counterfeit “kings” as they claim to represent the anointed priesthood. They have “set themselves up” over God’s Temple/priesthood. 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Thess 2:3,4 Their “Benefactors” have fully supported this role. Rev 13:11,12,14-17
It is quite the glaring glimpse of what an evil benefactor can accomplish, and is another reason that the organization is not a valid, spiritually blessed entity before God. When God’s anointed are “trampled” and judged by those not anointed; so too, is the Son of God. Luke 21:24; Heb 10:29-31; John 2:19-21; 1 Cor 3:16,17
Chalk it up –
* Part of the world’s financial schemes, to support its worldly empire. Luke 18:22; Matt 6:31-34; 1 John 2:15
* A counterfeit Mt Zion. Rom 1:25; 1 Cor 1:28,29; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22
* Boldly replaced God’s appointed priesthood with its own. 2 Thess 2:3,4; Matt 24:15; Rev 11:1,2; Ezek 44:6-9
*And Houses a Wicked Slave/House Steward who acts contrary to the authentic meaning of a steward (look it up), as the only source of spiritual provision, wasting spiritual goods that could be gathered from all house (anointed) servants. I tell you, this mean the ship is about to sink. Matt 24:48-51; Luke 16:14 Jehovah’s “mountain-like” organization will be “become level ground”. Zech 4:7
These are statements I stand by. You have yours, sir, centered on the detailed meanings of stocks, bonds, etc. to somehow support the Watchtower is acting in harmony with God’s will.
To each his own.
JWs, this describes your leaders:
"What is the source of wars and fights among you? Don’t they come from your passions that wage war within you? 2 You desire and do not have. You murder (disfellowship) and covet (power and authority over God’s anointed people and companions) and cannot obtain. You fight and wage war. (with God’s anointed who stand up for truth; with the victims of child abuse in court settings; for your RIGHTS to survive as an earthly organization)
You do not have because you do not ask. 3 You ask and don’t receive because you ask with WRONG MOTIVES, so that you may spend it on your pleasures.
4 You adulterous people! Don’t you know that FRIENDSHIP WITH THE WORLD is hostility toward God? So whoever wants to be the friend of the world becomes the enemy of God. 5 Or do you think it’s without reason that the Scripture says: The spirit He made to dwell in us envies intensely?
6 But he gives greater grace. Therefore he says:
God resists the proud,
but gives grace to the humble.7 Therefore, submit to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.8 Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, sinners, and purify your hearts, you DOUBLE-MINDED. 9 Be miserable and mourn and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom. 10 Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you.
11 Don’t criticize one another, brothers and sisters. Anyone who defames or judges a fellow believer defames and judges the law. If you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. 12 There is one lawgiver and judge who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?” James 4:1-12
Do the GB and an elder body’s words supersede the written decrees of the Bible?
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5 minutes ago, Witness said:
do not say anything at all regarding this domain.
Man, I would have difficulty being a child of yours.
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8 hours ago, Space Merchant said:
@Witness The information that came from the former Jehovah's Witness who knows his money & finance has already refuted you, Witness.
Your glass holds no water now, as it did before if you cannot understand anything in the realm of money & finance. Being ignorant of what a benefactor is, you shot yourself in the foot long before.
That being said, educate yourself in this domain or do not say anything at all regarding this domain.
Space Merchant:
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These things are second nature to you, and to the Watchtower corporation that works the system to its advantage. But, to the poor misguided sheep who have been fleeced spiritually and financially by wolves in sheep's clothing, it is, I repeat, SHOCKING to find out anything relating to their political and financial dealings. Matt 7:15; Mark 13:22 Are you going to educate millions of JWs who are still in the dark about it? Will that make it all better? You have a lot of work to do. They have been led to believe the organization is earthly Zion, an extension of the heavenly Zion. What would Zion have to do with Satan's riches that run this world? Matt 6:19-21 Yet, I have heard the governing body state that all the material goods of the organization are God's possessions, and they are precious to Him. I ask a JW, where in scripture can this be proven?
Write me your book, it doesn't make a difference in the general perception the Watchtower conveys to its members. This is the major issue. An organization, which protects itself with every worldly tool possible, claims to be God's possession. This very idea blasphemes scripture.
"For as I was passing through and observing the objects of your worship, I even found an altar on which was inscribed: ‘To an Unknown God.’ Therefore, what you worship in ignorance, this I proclaim to you. 24 The God who made the world and everything in it—he is Lord of heaven and earth—does not live in shrines made by hands. 25 Neither is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives everyone life and breath and all things. 26 From one man he has made every nationality to live over the whole earth and has determined their appointed times and the boundaries of where they live. 27 He did this so that they might seek God, and perhaps they might reach out and find him, though he is not far from each one of us. 28 For in him we live and move and have our being, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also his offspring.’ 29 Since we are God’s offspring then, we shouldn’t think that the divine nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image fashioned by human art and imagination. Acts 17:23-29
JWs are taught to seek out and join "Jehovah's organization"...and SERVE in every capacity imaginable. Because, it is the pure, no part of the world, earthly Zion.
This is idolatry, as proven from Acts 17.
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“My kingdom is not of this world,” said Jesus. “If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would fight, so that I wouldn’t be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my kingdom is not from here.” John 18:36
On 12/19/2018 at 9:04 PM, Witness said:Jesus’ true sons would be those who worship, not on any literal ‘mountain’-like organization, but in spirit and truth. “For the Father is seeking such to worship Him." John 4:21-24
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2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:
Because, if Jesus is Leader of this Church (JWorg) he can Run His Work without Warwick , GB and Stuff in It. Without your donation money, without Hedge Funds, H.M. Riley Trust and so on. :))
In one brief sentence, you have explained exactly what I've tried to get across.
On 12/20/2018 at 8:31 AM, Witness said:The WT calls itself “Zion” on earth. It should come across as the most powerful entity on this earth since it purports to represent the true God, even if it is smaller than the surrounding “nations”. Deut 7:7 God would graciously allow it to flourish. Lev chapter 26 (corrected)
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This is one person’s opinion, which is fine, but it is not an opinion I share.
3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:And FINALLY, Unless you are willing to acknowledge that the Society, WTS, Jehovah's Witnesses ARE MORALLY SUPERIOR in other areas to everyone else (and I am not ready to do that) THEN PLEASE STOP TRYING TO HOLD THEM to a morally superior standard when it comes to this area of receiving donations from others because they are just like everyone else and they are entitled to receive donations from the righteous and the unrighteous.
…to a morally superior standard. Hmmm. This is exactly what is taught the congregants. When someone leaves while still in shock after learning otherwise, those who had this ingrained in their head year after year and who have left the organization because of hypocrisy, will naturally say, “did you know”? “How dare they do what they tell the members NOT to do!”
3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:I have stated previously that in an ideal world, an organization which holds itself out to be the sole one being used by God today, should hold itself to extremely high standards, perhaps as close to perfection as possible.
The Watchtower TEACHES that its “spirit-directed organization” is an “ideal world”. This matters not to one like yourself who has never faced such indoctrination.
“The rule of Scripture is the rule in his organization. Also the principles therein set forth are those upon which we work. Jehovah’s thoughts, ways and purposes are those we follow and not our own. It is a pure theocracy. Therefore there is peace in our ranks. Here again is another fulfillment of prophecy. Jehovah has blessed the wholehearted effort of his people Therefore as you witness this, and if you too desire peace, prosperity and Jehovah’s blessing, then bring your life into obedience to the will of Jehovah God and be in subjection to theocratic rule, recognizing those who have the authority over you in Jehovah’s pure and happy organization.” w56 11/15 pp. 696-702
You know what the bottom line is in all you gave me? An idol can get away with anything. Rev 13:1,3,4
Edited - took out the quote about "pure ones". It occurred to me it may have meant to indicate "pure" words in a comment sprinkled with "dissonant screeching notes".
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7 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
so I put on my Speedo, and covered myself with corn oil, pecans, and pine cones ... put on a Smokey The Bear hat, and went for my interview.
At least you weren't nude.
Muscle testing????
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4 hours ago, Arauna said:
Well - put nicely - I have seen many people call themselves anointed and then suddenly all goes upside down...... and not for the better. They become bitter and opposing. The true Spirit of Jehovah would help them to stay peaceful and yielding - maintaining their joy even in the face of persecution.... A good example is Ananias and Saphira who tempted the Spirit of Jehovah. They had swift judgment.
You must mean persecution from a body of elders who demand their obedience. Elders, not anointed, ruling over God's priesthood. 1 Pet 2:5,9
You must certainly mean persecution from an elder body because an unyielding anointed one chooses to listen to Christ and not remain “peaceful and yielding” in an environment of lies. Please check your history of teachings. The true Spirit of God requires pure devotion to truth, which the heart of the anointed and companions can avail itself to, if it turns fully to the Father and Christ.
Their persecution stems from those who wield ungodly power and authority over them. Matt 24:48-51
Perhaps, Arauna, you believe in a delusion? 2 Thess 2:9-12; Rev 13:1,5-8
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25 minutes ago, Witness said:
I don’t hate JWs, I hate hypocrisy. The organization's use of a tax-exempt status can be compared to a person on food stamps that has no valid reason for not working, other than he or she is lazy and wants to milk the system for everything he can get.
Not only the system, but its members. Luke 4:5-7; Rom 6:16
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1 hour ago, Richard Lindor said:
It is amazing to see what hatred can do to the most intelligent people. Please take away whatever you dislike And distrust about Jehovah’s witnesses, look at the law of the land. You are asking why don’t they break the law? Lie say they are not a religious institution and pay taxes. You are telling people it is okay to let themselves be discriminated and treated differently just because you feel like they should.
I read all the tread multiple times again it doesn’t sense at all. I took away everything I may or may not like about Jehovah’s Witnesses to be objective on this subject. I even made some research on other major religions wealth, assets and investments compare to the watchtower’s organization, as you probably already know the witnesses are not even half close compare to the other religions.
I made the research to understand the arguments about paying taxes, again compare to Catholics, Protestants, Pentecostal, Baptist’s, Mormons, Muslim, Hindu and more the witnesses can not even compare.
It is not easy explaining the Watchtower to a person who has never been one, which sounds like you.
About tax-exempt status, here is one person’s opinion: https://www.berkshireeagle.com/stories/letter-end-tax-exempt-status-for-religions,559240
Here is the letter responding to that opinion: https://www.berkshireeagle.com/stories/letter-tax-exempt-religions-give-back-in-many-ways,559806
He makes good points. Many churches “give back” to the community. My sister-in-law served food at a church soup kitchen for years and loved doing it. My neighbors enjoy helping hundreds receive a hot meal to any who walk off the street at Thanksgiving time.
While I do not personally ascribe to any church or established religion, I am not against any organization within guidelines of the law, receiving a tax-exempt status. I have a problem with the Watchtower walking on both sides of the fence. You will not see soup kitchens offered by the Watchtower, or food pantries, or thrift stores set up by a church to serve the poor in the community, since they believe “spiritual food” is enough to sustain a person through their organization, which is the only road to salvation. It has been my experience in the congregations I belonged to, that you will not see a congregational announcement from a platform that a family needs everyone’s help to get them through tough times. Individually, yes, but not as a group. Every meeting agenda is followed world-wide with little deviation from the program.
The Watchtower fights for every right they can receive from the government without “giving back” to the community. They fight against victims of child abuse suffered at the hands of elders or congregational members. If they do an act of community kindness they are pressed to do so, or they believe it's time to show how "God's true organization" can make a difference. There's always an ulterior motive that is sourced at the top. Does this make sense? They claim to represent the one true God “in truth”. They claim they follow Christ’s principles…and are the only religious group who does. Individually, they may take care of their own, but are very cautious of those on the outside; as those on the outside are part of the world, while JWs believe they are NO part of the world. Any who leave this religion to serve Christ as he truly expects, by giving and worshiping as they feel free to, as the Father and Christ lead them through Holy Spirit, can be marked as “dead”.
I don’t hate JWs, I hate hypocrisy. The organization's use of a tax-exempt status can be compared to a person on food stamps that has no valid reason for not working, other than he or she is lazy and wants to milk the system for everything he can get.
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Under this new development, is “Russia and its allies” the King of the North, or not? Are these “facts” now D.O.A?
An ex-elder gives his view of Watchtower's changing prophesy concerning the "King of the North".
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I really don't know how one could determine who shares, since it seems many who are not members could share anonymously. This sounds like a question for JW Insider!
GB MEMBER KENNETH COOK, JR. AND THE WATCHTOWER HOUSE
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I certainly hear you. My concentration level has never been good. I'm always asking in prayer for the ability to discipline my mind and keep it on the right track. I believe it's called "ADD".