4 hours ago, Arauna said:

We are no longer under the law of Moses.... So we wait for God to bring judgment on them.  We do not stone any longer......

The organization is under a spiritual symbolic stoning law, written in the “Shepherding the Flock of God” book.

There is a type of killing that doesn’t cause literal blood to pour out of an individual. This type of dismembering  isn’t seen with the physical eye.   It is a spiritual “killing” that the Watchtower has honed into a deceitful art, otherwise known as an act of love, and “keeping the congregation clean”.    Obviously, you do not recognize this killing accomplished daily by the elder body.    It is a spiritual guillotine that shuts the mouths, erases the life and severs a family member from their loved ones. 

This is an act of judgment according to the “creeds” of the Watchtower.

4 hours ago, Arauna said:

Jesus gave us Principals not laws - and we follow this today.

 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. ² For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

³ “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? ⁴ How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? ⁵ You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. Matt 7:1-5

You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.  Rom 2:1

There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?  James 4:12

Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.  Rom 14:4

Should Christ’s servants/anointed be judged by an elder body?  That is Christ’s job. 

"Satan's organization sails under the high-sounding name of "Christendom" “Jehovah’s organization”.  It boasts of a membership of over 500,000,000 (insert 8 million here) persons. Its members are in bondage to creeds, customs, rites and ceremonies; they dare not disown these or criticize or expose them. To do so would bring down on their heads taunts, reproaches, disfellowship and persecution. Many thousands of the Lord's people (anointed ones, as well as their companions) are held in these denominations as prisoners, afraid to express their disapproval of the creeds, methods and customs of the organization. Wt. 1930 Oct 1 p.301

"Disfellowshiping means the casting of a member out of Gods household; and if one should remain in this disfellowshiped condition till he died, it would mean his everlasting destruction as a person who is rejected by God. Staying away from meetings leads in that very direction." Watchtower 1965 Dec 15 p.75

“Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God's law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship .”  WT 1952/11/15 pp. 703,704

They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God. ³ They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me.   John 16:2,3

Synagogues, (“congregations”) where the Jews worshiped.  Tell me, where do we find spiritual “Jews”?  The “Israel of God”?  In the “Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses”. 

The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. ⁶ It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. ⁷ It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.

“If anyone is to go into captivity,
    into captivity they will go.
If anyone is to be killed with the sword,
    with the sword they will be killed.”  Rev 13:5,7,10

The elder body uses its “silver sword” (Heb 4:12) at every judicial committee, and its own version of God’s Word to “kill”….disfellowship.

The third angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs of water,and they became blood. ⁵ Then I heard the angel in charge of the waters say:

“You are just in these judgments, O Holy One,
    you who are and who were;
⁶ for they have shed the blood of your holy people and your prophets,
    and you have given them blood to drink as they deserve.”  Rev 16:4-6

2 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

So now you are switching to politics? You do realize what the United Nations is, right?

You uphold an organization’s teachings that you really know little, of what is taught its members.  

The image of the beast at first was the League of Nations, now called the United Nations, for this arrangement was established to perpetuate the visible, political organization and its control over the earth.   w66 8/15 pp. 497-502

As explained in previous issues of The Watchtower, the scarlet-colored beast is the international peace organization now known as the United Nations.  w67 4/1 pp. 219-223 -

Today the hot question under debate is: Call mankind be one under these two systems, democratic and totalitarian? Can these two systems keep living side by side, ruling at the same time on the earth? A political attempt at holding them together is the organization of the United Nations. w56 4/1 pp. 195-208

The “scarlet-colored wild beast” represents the United Nations, and “the ten horns” represent all the political powers that support it.— Read Revelation 17:3, 16-18.  ws15 7/15 pp. 9-15 

Soon Jehovah will cause the political elements of Satan’s system, as represented by the United Nations, to attack false religion.  w12 6/15 pp. 14-18

This is why no loyal JW would engage in any activity having to do with the United Nations.  This is why many left the organization when they found out the WT held membership as an NGO.

Yes, your view is worldly, in the same manner as the Watchtower organization.  Your eye is completely centered on the fulfillment of Christ’s coming according to the visible signs seen in the world.  1 Cor 2:14

I’m done answering your comments here, SM.  When you can explain Watchtower’s involvement in the OSCE, then be sure to let everyone know. 

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

Ironically enough - nothing here states the Watchtower has met the criteria requirements to even allow them to have a hand in UN affairs. To add more fuel to the fire, nothing here even states they are an ECOSOC.

Your dance has ended before you hit the main stage, Witness.

Re-Read the UN charter and Resolutions presented of which you had ignored.

For you, a man of the world,  its all absolutely fine and acceptable.  For a devout JW who believes they are "no part of the world",  they are following God’s organization, and who are thoroughly convinced the Wild Beast is the UN, ANY association with it, on ANY level is not acceptable, as they have been taught through the organization’s teachings. 

No matter how you slice it.

Especially since any JW that may choose to work for a political organization, can be disfellowshipped. 

8 hours ago, Richard Lindor said:

The witnesses have the right to fight for their rights.

Sure they do, as any other worldly organization, they have the same rights as another.

This organization claims it belongs to God.   It claims it is “spirit-directed”.  Does this put the blame on God if a battle for worldly rights is lost?   Whenever the nation of Israel followed God’s decrees they were blessed with victory, with each person receiving protection from God.  How many JWs languish in prisons world-wide, some for years?  How many victims of child-abuse are disfellowshipped because their emotional make-up is crushed by “God’s organization” failing to shepherd them with love and understanding? WT's leaders are at war in the court systems with these victims who want recompense for spiritual and emotional damage.  Warwick is praised and visited daily by JWs, while many who have dedicated their life to “Jehovah’s organization” have little to nothing, or face prison walls on the same day crowds stare in awe at the organization’s feat to build a “Bethel” – house of God.  Blasphemy.     The WT calls itself “Zion” on earth.  It should come across as the most powerful entity on this earth since it purports to represent the true God, even if it is smaller than the surrounding “nations”.  Deut 7:7  God would graciously allow it to flourish.  Lev chapter 26 (corrected)

And…if it can’t be compared to the early nation of Israel, (although the GB regularly does so) then why must every JW who questions the organization’s route taken, as it develops its counterfeit Zion, be considered spiritually “dead”?  Rev 13:15

The true spiritual house/”organization” is built on faithful anointed ones – the “Israel of God”.  1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22   Surrounding them, is an earthly “idol” under the rule of a Wicked Slave. 

Preposterous, you say?

Now all in God’s visible organization say with Micah: “We, for our part, shall walk in the name of Jehovah our God to time indefinite, even forever.” (Micah 4:5) The modern-day organization is gathered around “the Israel of God,” which is called in the Bible “a people for his name.” (Galatians 6:16; Acts 15:14; Isaiah 43:6, 7; 1 Peter 2:17) Hence, to be part of Jehovah’s organization means to be part of a people who seek, and receive, protection in God’s name.” w98 9/1 pp. 8-13

Of course, “Israel”, the Temple of God, (1 Cor 3:16,17) must not bond with each other, but remain silent since the “Gentile” elder body has been given authority to rule over them.  Matt 24:48-51; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2   These are the true “witnesses” of God…that must listen and obey the direction of men.  (Wt 16/1 pg 24)  Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; Rom 14:4; Isa 2:22

“Now when the thousand years have expired,

…which began when Jesus sat down at the right hand of his Father Ps 110:1,2; John 16:33; 1 Cor 15:25; 1 John 3:8; Rev 3:21

“Satan will be released from his prison ⁸ and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. ⁹ They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.”  Rev 20:7-9

Ezek 38:8b,10,11,14-16-23  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezek+38%3A8b%2C10%2C11%2C14%2C16-23&version=NKJV 

 Only a false prophet would claim it directs a “modern day” earthly organization that must have the same rights as any other organization in the world of ‘commercial business’.  Luke 4:5-7; Rev 13:1,11,14-17 

Sir, you concentrated on the organization’s right to worldly benefits and failed to notice the hypocrisy brought out in the first quote I presented.   How is it that JWs can easily skip over the sins of their own leaders and still be expected to be blessed by God?  Could it be the stubbornness of the heart?  John 12:40

As I have said…

When is it okay for the Watchtower to be like all other churches/organizations in the world…

…and when is it not?

g70 6/22 pp. 29-31  Disturbing Riches

It is no secret that the Roman Catholic Church in America generates great wealth. In stocks alone, one market expert suggested that when you touch figures like $20,000,000,000 “maybe you’ll be close.” The land assets alone of the archdiocese of New York are conservatively estimated at $55,000,000. Said author Kenneth G. Gross: “Catholics, organizationally and clerically, reportedly realize major profits from Grace Lines, Moran Towing, dozens of food producers and packagers, the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company, and various utilities. Jesuits own large blocks of shares in defense industries (National Steel, Boeing, Lockheed, Douglas, Curtiss-Wright), as well as DiGiorgio Corp. and other firms. The Knights of Columbus, a tax-exempt lay Catholic group, includes the land under Yankee Stadium in a portfolio of half a billion dollars.” A New York priest said: “The Catholic Church must either get back to helping its poorest members rather than cultivating its most influential parishioners, or else risk devastation.”

Stocks, land assets, profits, shares in defense industries.  Is the Watchtower jealous that their stocks, land assets, profits and shares in defense industries do not add up to the riches of the Catholic Church? 

Why was it necessary to mention the Knights of Columbus are “tax-exempt”? 

Watchtower cannot “get back to helping its poorest members”, when it never has to begin with.

WHAT IS THEIR POINT OF THIS NEWS QUIP, OTHER THAN TO DETRACT FROM THEIR OWN HYPOCRISY?

 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. ¹⁴ But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. ¹⁵ This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. ¹⁶ For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there.  James 3:13-16

Pure and undefiled religion before God the Father is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself unstained from the world.”  James 1:27

Brother Russell and his associates refused to imitate the money-raising schemes so common in the churches of Christendom. In the second issue of the Watch Tower, under the heading “Do You Want ‘Zion’s Watch Tower’?” Russell stated: “‘Zion’s Watch Tower’ has, we believe, JEHOVAH for its backer, and while this is the case it will never beg nor petition men for support. When He who says: ‘All the gold and silver of the mountains are mine,’ fails to provide necessary funds, we will understand it to be time to suspend the publication.” (Hag. 2:7-9) Over 130 years later, The Watchtower and the organization that publishes it are still going strong!

Being tax-exempt like all other churches in the world, sure helps in a big way.

17 hours ago, Melinda Mills said:

JWs would be willing and ready to pay if the government changed its mind and started to tax all religious organizations - but if it told JWs that only they had to pay, they would fight it for sure, as that would not be fair.

Fighting for such a status…isn’t this the same as soliciting money?

⁸ Jehovah’s people do not beg for money. They do not pass collection plates or send out letters of solicitation. Neither do they use bingo, bazaars, or raffles to raise money. They hold to what the Watch Tower long ago said: “We have never considered it proper to solicit money for the Lord’s cause, after the common custom (apparently this excludes tax-exemption status). It is our judgment that money raised by the various begging devices in the name of our Lord is offensive, unacceptable to him, and does not bring his blessing either upon the givers or the work accomplished.”*  yb16 pp. 31-38 - Yearbook—2016

The organization is certainly adept at fighting for what they think is “fair”. 

Jesus is King, but who are his sons?  Men who run the Watchtower, and who have made it known to every JW that their tax-exempt status is not recognized in some countries?  yb16 pp. 31-38 - Yearbook—2016 

Jesus let the matter drop so as not to stumble anyone.  As you say, the Watchtower would fight for it. 

Jesus’ true sons would be those who worship, not on any literal ‘mountain’-like organization,  but in spirit and truth.    “For the Father is seeking such to worship Him."  John 4:21-24

No organization, and its struggles to keep its financial head above water, is necessary to do this. 

Two documents to consider.

JWfacts breaks down the event quite thoroughly, including how #1 was implemented through the literature; while also providing examples of WT linking the UN with Revelation's Wild Beast:

"No, the UN is not a blessing, even though the religious clergy of Christendom and the rabbis of Jewry pray heaven’s blessing upon that organization. It is really “the image of the wild beast,” the visible political, commercial organization of “the god of this system of things,” Satan the Devil. So the UN will soon be destroyed along with that beastly organization." Watchtower 1984 Sep 15 p.15

Please notice the documents state,

#1 ..."the (Watchtower) organization agreed to meet criteria for association, including support and respect of the principles of the Charter of the United Nations and commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes with its constituents and to a broader audience about UN activities".  

#2...that the "issuance of a library pass is independent of NGO status or any other status."

Is this enough honesty for you, @BillyTheKid46?

Since an NGO status is not needed to receive a library card, why did the Wt. apply for NGO membership?  Can your leaders honestly tell you why?  Not really, otherwise they would not have terminated their status as an NGO.  

https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/united-nations-association.php

1 hour ago, David Normand said:

What is your point? As a religious organization they are due the same tax breaks that are given other religious organizations. At least in this country you generally cannot discriminate against a religious organization just because you object to their doctrine or how they spread their beliefs. 

As far as any deal to make renovations, i'm sure the city could sue over breach of contract if there were grounds. 

Dear Sir, I am sorry that you don’t recognize hypocrisy when it is staring you in the face.  It appears there is an elephant in the room, stepping on your foot, and you refuse to admit it. 

When is it okay for the Watchtower to be like all other churches/organization in the world…

…and when is it not?

In the first century one of the apostles of the foundation of the true Zion, the true “organization” of God, built with priestly “living stones” on the Body of Christ, stated:

“Let everyone submit to the governing authorities, since there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are instituted by God. ² So then, the one who resists the authority is opposing God’s command, and those who oppose it will bring judgment on themselves. ³ For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have its approval. ⁴ For it is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, because it does not carry the sword for no reason. For it is God’s servant, an avenger that brings wrath on the one who does wrong. ⁵ Therefore, you must submit, not only because of wrath but also because of your conscience. ⁶ And for this reason you pay taxes, since the authorities are God’s servants, continually attending to these tasks. ⁷ Pay your obligations to everyone: taxes to those you owe taxes, tolls to those you owe tolls, respect to those you owe respect, and honor to those you owe honor.  Rom 13:1-7

I highly doubt they would have pursued a tax-exempt status if it was offered, since they were no part of the world. John 17:13-19;  1 John 2:15

 ^“Jesus told them, “Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they were utterly amazed at him.”  Mark 12:17

This isn't a problem with those "living stones" who have left a corporation to serve God and Christ directly.  2  Cor 6:14-18

 (1 Pet 2:4-10; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22; John 2:19-21; Matt 16:18)

17 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

I am willing and able to share, as is with the history of things in regqards to the World of NGOs, and as an added benefit, for others to see.

I admit, I didn’t read what you so laboriously wrote; because, it really doesn’t matter.  When the Watchtower was caught as an NGO member in the US, they blushed, made excuses and quickly removed their membership.  Why?  Since it began as the League of Nations, it has been labeled the Wild Beast of Revelation 13:1.  JWs are taught again and again that it is a blasphemous image….to stay away from.  To find out that WT leaders dabbled in ‘blasphesmy’ led to many people leaving their hypocritical teachings behind.  What was “Jehovah’s organization” doing, by cavorting with the Beast, and the world? To a JW who sincerely thought he was “safe” in “Jehovah’s spirit-directed organization”, such news can be devastating and nauseating, physically and emotionally.   Those that taught others to be "no part of the world" are fully immersed in its activity.  

Thank you for linking the Six Screens "Healing River" program.  .  It reminds me to post Pearl’s latest soundcloud which was very good.  About this, you just don’t get it, SM.  This forum is an avenue to air opinions and facts.  I am surrounded here by the majority who disagree with me and I don’t agree with them.   Should I leave because I personally feel JWs have been misled by lies?  Until I’m told to leave, I’ll stay, because I believe there are truths that need to be aired to those that were once my “brothers and sisters”.   Should Pearl stop using Six Screens because the majority there hold a different view? She is not endorsing the programs of others.   If  another choice is easier for her, she will change.  For the meantime, it is an avenue that draws many listeners – JWs who have been harmed or disgusted by two-faced doctrine and want to know spiritual truth.   It provides a similar outlet just as this forum has provided.  I don’t agree with all that Jason Zelda believes, but I do appreciate what he has exposed as hard facts about the WT.  

You have fallen in the same trap that Jason spoke of, when he addressed shunning.  You have snubbed your nose and lumped Pearl together with all others on Six Screen.  This is a view the Pharisees were good at - narrow-minded accusations that Jesus was a sinner because he spoke and ate with tax collectors and harlots.  The interesting thing is, they listened; while the Pharisees who needed to listen as well, labeled him as a demon.  This is what the WT does continually to those who refuse their doctrinal lies.  They are labeled “human apostates”, “mentally diseased”, as Jason brought out in the video.   

In a doctor’s office that my very sick husband visits, the receptionist is a JW from another congregation that I was in.  But, she knows who I am.   He had to step out when paying for the visit so I stepped in to finished the transaction.  She couldn’t look me in the eye, keeping her head down; since my name far and wide carries the label, “apostate”, of the very worst.  I thanked her at the end of the transaction but she was so afraid, she couldn’t utter “you’re welcome”, imparting a slight grumble instead.   This is so different than how I approached disfellowshipped ones when I was in the organization.  I wanted to assure them of my love and wasn’t afraid to sit by them during a meeting, making eye contact and smiling at them.  I wasn’t afraid to speak to them in public and ask how they were.   They received no other love when visiting the congregation.  Their faces were deadpan, they were completely ignored when attending meetings.  For many, the only reason they strive to regain their place in the congregation is because they want to be loved by those whom they thought would loved them until the end. 

To the woman in the office, I am her enemy, but it won’t stop me from following Jesus’ teachings as closely as possible, and speaking to as many JWs and anointed “Israel”, as I possibly can.  Matt 10:6,23

“You have heard that it was said, Love your neighbor and hate your enemy. ⁴⁴ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, ⁴⁵ so that you may be children of your Father in heaven. For he causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. ⁴⁶ For if you love those who love you, what reward will you have? Don’t even the tax collectors do the same? ⁴⁷ And if you greet only your brothers and sisters, what are you doing out of the ordinary? Don’t even the Gentiles do the same?⁴⁸ Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”  Matt 5:43-48

“If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. ³³ If you do what is good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. ³⁴ And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners to be repaid in full. ³⁵ But love your enemies, do what is good, and lend, expecting nothing in return. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High. For he is gracious to the ungrateful and evil. ³⁶ Be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful.”  Luke 6:32-36

I write this to JWs, who know exactly what I'm talking about.  You are an outsider, fully immersed in the activities of the world; so, to you, whatever WT does, appears to be okay; as they cleverly speak out both sides of the mouth.  They convince its members they are "no part of the world" by saying,

 - Stay away from politics.  Be neutral. (but, for the org., it's okay to accept gifts from members that includes military stock)  Don't smoke, (but its okay for the org. to have stock in cigarette companies if it is a gift)

But train the JW eye to...

 - Pay attention to the signs in Satan's world.  Look closely at politics and the wars at hand.  Examine all activities occurring in Satan's realm and be prepared for disaster.

"About the times and the seasons (this is the season of worldly unrest):  Brothers and sisters, you do not need anything to be written to you.  For you yourselves know very well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night.  When they say, "Peace and security" then sudden destruction will come upon them, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape" 1 Thess 5:1-3

Jehovah's Witnesses Tax Exemption May Have Cost City $368M, Critics Say

https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20160204/dumbo/jehovahs-witnesses-tax-exemption-may-have-cost-city-368m-critics-say/

"CHURCHES IN BUSINESS"  Awake Magazine

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/lv/r1/lp-e/0/55899

"IN RECENT years there has been growing evidence that churches are deeply involved in big business, much to the consternation of a great many people. They have invested huge sums of money in a wide variety of business enterprises. Because the profits they receive from these businesses are very often tax exempt fewer taxes come in to all levels of government. This creates a greater burden for the average taxpayer.

An article appearing in Reader’s Digest of March 1969 discussed this tax loss and said: “For federal and state governments, church-owned and church-operated businesses represent a large loss of revenue—the taxes that would be collected if the enterprises were run by competitive private industry. It is impossible to calculate the loss exactly, but responsible estimates put it at $6.5 billion a year.”

Think how much individual taxes could be reduced if these taxes were paid. This loss is just in the United States. Other countries are also losing from tax-exempt church income from businesses.

The religious organization that truly is serving God, in harmony with the example set by Jesus Christ, concentrates on preaching and teaching the liberating truths of his Word and does not become involved in commercial businesses. Following the Bible’s instructions, it does not involve itself in “the commercial businesses of life.”—2 Tim. 2:4.

 I tell you that on the day of judgment people will have to account for every careless word they speak. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”  Matt 12:36,38

11 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

The fact you are ignorant of this information proves that your claim that is like snow has touched flames before it can go on any further, and I say this because as someone who has watched the UN for nearly a decade, know who among the NGOs is for and or not for the UN, and so forth.

 

You are so right, SM, I am “ignorant” of UN’s worldly dealings, since I try earnestly to be “no part of the world”.  If it has been debunked, perhaps YOU can share this with @Equivocation as ‘food for thought’.

In the meantime, some things are just so blatant, they can’t be “debunked”.   This is for Equivocation to explore Watchtower’s worldly ties in Europe, even after it was revealed the organization had been a member of the NGO in the US for nine years. 

 It begins around 8:48

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChGGzgeP9d0

https://lib.ohchr.org/HRBodies/UPR/Documents/Session7/EG/EAJCW_UPR_EGY_S07_2010_TheEuropeanAssociationofJehovahsChristianWitnesses.pdf

Here’s just one example of their involvement, reaching out to the UN instead of God for support.  There are many more.   In fact, Watchtower’s historic court battles are always fought on the worldly front.  If a case is won, they say God is responsible for their victory.  However, Russia steps in and wipes out their material holdings, and JWs begin fleeing the country.  The case presented by JW’s lawyers just didn’t save them, much to their surprise.  Where was God’s helping hand during that time?  To mitigate the conundrum, Russia is now prophetically proclaimed  by the GB as the “King of the north”.  Ah, that remedies their problem of dealing with mass hysteria.  Apparently, God will step in soon and save the Watchtower idol.

No.

"This is what the Lord, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel says:

I am the Lord your God,
who teaches you for your benefit,
who leads you in the way you should go.
¹⁸ If only you had paid attention to my commands.
Then your peace would have been like a river,
and your righteousness like the waves of the sea.
¹⁹ Your descendants would have been as countless as the sand,
and the offspring of your body like its grains;
their name would not be cut off
or eliminated from my presence."  Isa 48:17-19

Membership is dropping, simply because the Watchtower is bolstering a lie and people don't want to hear it.

Another example.

https://www.osce.org/odihr/340991   

Statement by the European Association of Jehovah's Christian Witnesses – Tajikistan    13 September 2017

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There is one thing that I know that you don’t know, SM.  I can recognize Watchtower’s deception.  You are ignorant of its power.

2 hours ago, Equivocation said:

Well the UN can not be trusted. Have you seen what their loyal NGO who applies their goals are doing in Africa?

I really don't know, but speaking of NGO, here is some food for thought.

“A MISSION TO AFRICA”

Jehovah’s Witnesses should not be naïve to the fact that the Watchtower Society acquired a measure of political stature with the United Nations after becoming an associate NGO. Ostensibly, the purpose was to muster support in behalf of Jehovah’s Witnesses facing difficult situations in various countries throughout the world. And evidently partnering with the UN has not gone unrewarded, which is betrayed in small ways by the organization itself, such as the following brief report that appeared in the July 22, 2001, Awake!

“One newspaper in Congo (Kinshasa) praised the humanitarian work of Jehovah’s Witnesses as “practical rather than formal.” Officials of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) have likewise expressed their support. One UNHCR official in the Democratic Republic of Congo was so pleased with the orderliness of the relief efforts carried out by the Witnesses that she put her vehicle at the disposal of the volunteers.”

To what extent has the Watchtower received help directly from the United Nations? It is hard to say. However, it turns out that it was much more than the use of a vehicle on one occasion. In trying to get to the bottom of the Watchtower’s dealings with the UN, this researcher has discovered that the Watchtower has spawned nearly a dozen subsidiary NGOs in various European nations. For instance, prior to the Watchtower gaining associate NGO status in 1992, in 1990, an NGO called Aidafrique was set up in France. What was its intended purpose? The Zambia Daily Mail of June 17, 1999, under the heading: “French NGO officials, jet in to help Congo DR refugees,” reported the following:

“Two officials from the Aid Afrique are expected in the country today to provide additional humanitarian support to thousands of refugees who have fled trouble-torn Congo DR… The relief supplies are being provided by congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Belgium, France, and Switzerland. Aid Afrique is a European-based international humanitarian organization founded in France in 1990 with the objective of bringing relief to critical areas of Africa. Through the UNHCR efforts in Tanzania, the organization last year distributed over 20 tonnes of food and medicine to refugees in the Kigoma region. In 1997, Aid Afrique spent US$820,000 in humanitarian aid to the former Zaire.”

The Zambian news reveals that it was only through their cooperation with UNHCR that the Aidafrique NGO was able to accomplish its humanitarian objectives. But if the secular media in Africa openly reports on Aidafrique’s cooperative ventures with various agencies of the United Nations, why is not the Watchtower more forthright in informing Jehovah’s Witnesses about their accomplishments? If the Watchtower’s relationship with the United Nations is such an honorable arrangement, why not publicize it—as they have so many other UN-sponsored programs? Most likely the reason subsidiary NGOs like Aidafrique were set up in the first place was in order to keep the more familiar Watchtower brand name in the background and off the front page.

Interestingly, a few years ago Jehovah’s Witnesses in France independently published a brochure entitled “A Mission to Africa.” In it, they explained in detail the activities of the Aidafrique NGO. On pages 9-10, the revealing comment was made:

“Our activity was often hindered by difficulties particular to the region. Distances are vast and lines of communication almost nonexistent. The best form of travel, if not the only one, is the airplane. Often we used the H.C.R.’s (United Nations High Commission for Refugees) planes. Administrative formalities also held us up”

Certainly, no one is questioning the motives of Jehovah’s Witnesses in seeking to render lifesaving emergency aid to the long-suffering brothers in Africa. It was the right and Christian thing to do. But the question is—at what price? Is it worth cutting a deal with the Devil to save a soul? Jehovah’s Witnesses in Malawi did not think so. They were not even willing to buy a 25-cent political ID card, even though they're not doing so unleashed a horrific pogrom against them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/JehovahsWitnesses/comments/7sqjc4/the_watchtower_societys_secret_partnership_with/

Interesting theory, but somehow I don’t think Google will accomplish conquering the saints. 😐

"The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.  

 It was given power to wage war against God’s saints and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.

Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 

The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 

This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666."

Rev 13:1,7,11,15,18

3 hours ago, Kosonen said:

Unfortunately this does not add up with what Jesus said to his disciples:

The word “eido” for “see” in Matt 24:15 can mean “perceive”.  I can “see” or perceive the spiritual “Gentile” elder body ruling and standing over the Temple “living stones”, as the "Man of Lawlessness"  We’ve already agreed that “foreigners” in God’s sanctuary as pointed out in Ezek 44:6-9, is an abomination.

“Now say to the rebellious, to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “O house of Israel, let Us have no more of all your abominations. ⁷ When you brought in foreigners, uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in My sanctuary to defile it—My house—and when you offered My food, the fat and the blood, then they broke My covenant because of all your abominations. ⁸ And you have not kept charge of My holy things, but you have set others to keep charge of My sanctuary for you.” ⁹ Thus says the Lord God: “No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart or uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter My sanctuary, including any foreigner who is among the children of Israel.

Who has set other in charge of teaching and offering sacrifices of praise?  The GB has set the elder body over/in God's Temple.  Do you think God will ignore today’s children of Israel letting others “stand” over them?  They are the Temple.  1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16; Rev 11:1,2

Matt 24:15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 

“understand” –

I.to perceive with the mind, to understand, to have understanding

II.to think upon, heed, ponder, consider

4 hours ago, Kosonen said:

But in the same time as we the anointed are in a spiritual sense a temple of God, because God has put his spirit in us, there exist material places of worship where anointed ones live and serve. I mean the Warwick fortress of Jehovah's witnesses.

Why do you think God approves of material places of worship?  It isn't what Christ taught, so why would Warwick play any part in the fulfillment of Revelation?  

Do you understand what it means to worship "in spirit and truth"?  John 4:21-24; Acts 17:24,25

The anointed are deceived to serve material "temples" - idols.  They cannot "perceive" that they are the Temple of God.  You can, yet you keep projecting a theory not based on scripture.  

And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?  And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said:

3 hours ago, Arauna said:

So you are saying all anointed would have speaking of tongues, write bible books, prophecy - basically all  have the same gifts?  Why would they then need each other if all could do it all?  Sorry - this is simplifying the spirit Jehovah has and which he gives. 

No, that's not what I am saying.  I am saying that the "gifts in men" are gifts given to the anointed, not to the elder body.

"There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. ⁵ There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. ⁶ And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. ⁷ But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: ⁸ for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, ⁹ to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, ¹⁰ to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. ¹¹ But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.

For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.  For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. ¹⁴ For in fact the body is not one member but many.” 1 Cor 12:4-14

"For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; ²⁹ but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God. " Rom 2:28,29

Do you recognize all the members within the Body of Christ?  Wouldn't it be a priority for people to acknowledge them and their gifts?  What you see, are the elders.  You listen to them to lead you, and not those possessing gifts given by God through an anointing.   JWs listen to men appointed by men.  

53 minutes ago, Arauna said:

There is a difference between being 'inspired' and being led by holy spirit.  The Holy Spirit has many functions and all these various functions produce results in line with Jehovah's purpose.  In times of Apostles some preached, some healed, some produced the scriptures, some spoke in languages.... all different results but fulfilling Jehovah's purpose.  

 

If the anointed Body functions as one, Holy Spirit flows through each anointed in the capacities that you mentioned.  Do you know the gifts that you speak of, that are given to each anointed?  Are those gifts used by the GB? 

The “gifts in men” refer to the anointed gifts.  It has nothing to do with the elders as the GB promotes.  Yet, this scriptural fact is hidden purposefully, so all that is taught by the GB is employed by the elders.  The anointed and their God-given gifts lay untouched.

“Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. ⁴ There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called;⁵ one Lord, one faith, one baptism; ⁶ one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.  But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it.⁸ This is why it says:

“When he ascended on high,
    he took many captives
    and gave gifts to his people.”

So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, ¹² to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up ¹³ until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

JWs are unaware of the possible “works of service” the anointed are to give.  Only, a Wicked Slave would hide Christ’s true words from all JWs.  Those who were “called” are the anointed.  If found faithful, they become sealed into Zion.  1 Pet 5:10; Rev 17:14

A true joined Body of Christ would allow inspiration from Holy Spirit to flow through each anointed one, no matter what their personal gift would be.  They would all know the truth, because they are all part of Christ.  1 Cor 12:27; 2 Cor 1:21,22; 1 John 2:27

"Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.⁵ “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.  John 15:4,5

“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing."  John 15:5

The GB cannot expect to be inspired by Holy Spirit if they have cut themselves off from the members of Christ…which they have.  

The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” ²² On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, ²³ and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty,²⁴ while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it,²⁵ so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other.  1 Cor 12:21-25

By directing an elder body as the teachers of the people, there is a huge chasm separating the anointed from the GB.  Who promoted this?  Christ, who expects the Body to be joined as one and working for the benefit of the entire body?  Can you see the GB says to the anointed, "I don't need you"?

Mal 2:7 - “For the lips of a priest ought to preserve knowledge, because he is the messenger of the Lord Almighty and people seek instruction from his mouth.

1 Pet 2:5,9,10 – “you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.”

2 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

This is why God choses those who can lead by the holy spirit

How is this possible if the the GB are not inspired...by Holy Spirit?  Please, tell me.  

9 hours ago, Arauna said:

The heavenly woman which gives birth to a "heavenly kingdom" is not earthly congregations!  It is the same woman which is referred to in Gen 3:15...a heavenly woman - just as the 'bride' will be heavenly.  

The anointed are the first “heirs of a promise” made to Abraham  – of a covenant promise. Rom 8:17  The completed Bride becomes the fulfilled promise/woman/“Sarah”, which is the New Covenant/New Jerusalem/Jerusalem above.  The Bride, joined with her husband, Jesus Christ, brings life to the rest of Abraham’s seed.

“Jerusalem above” (Gal 6:24) is the dwelling place of God’s Spirit, which is found in the anointed hearts.  1 Cor 3:16,17

And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.  Rev 22:17

The anointed are “Daughter Zion”, the Israel of God.  Gal 6:15,16; Rev 14:1  Zion cannot be an earthly organization when it is already found within the anointed. 

Once sealed, they become part of “heaven”…

But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels  Heb 12:22

9 hours ago, Arauna said:

Galations  compares the two covenants (Moses and Jesus) to show that we are no longer under law - and are free from any "laws" under Christ - the woman "above" is free!  

The anointed carry God’s laws within their hearts.  It is each one's responsibility as a priest to teach them to the "people".  Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9 

"For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people."  Heb 8:10

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. ¹⁸ For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. ¹⁹ Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. ²⁰ For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.  Matt 5:17-20

 However, it cannot be done under the GB's rule,  who carry their own laws within their hearts, expecting all to obey them.  

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.    Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.      They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for “people are slaves to whatever has mastered them.”  2 Pet 2:1,2,19

On 12/10/2018 at 10:52 AM, Kosonen said:

@James Thomas Rook Jr. 

Don't worry about swimming. Revelation 12 talks about flying.13  Now when the dragon saw that it had been hurled down to the earth,+ it persecuted the woman+who gave birth to the male child. 14  But the two wings of the great eagle+ were given to the woman, so that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is to be fed for a time and times and half a time*+ away from the face of the serpent.+

Here the woman represents the congregation of Jehovah's witnesses. Soon the persecution will begin and it will be wise to flee together somewhere until Goog attacks.

To be more specific the “woman” is a heavenly covenant/promise.  Gal 4:21-26  It is the New Covenant.

“But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother." 

 The “mother” is symbolized by Sarah, the “free woman” - vs. 31

“And He said to them, “This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.”  Mark 14:24

"A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars and she was with child; and she *cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth." Rev 12:1,2

These stars represent anointed ones, beginning with the twelve apostles, and who belong to this “mother”/covenant.    Dan 12:3; Isa 49:6; Matt 5:14,15; Phil 2:15; Rev 1:20

The New Covenant promise for a seed/child will be fulfilled when the full number of the “144,000” are sealed. “She” labors through the distress each anointed one experiences during the battle of truth against lies. John 16:20-23    Either Satan “wins” them over with his lies, or they gain victory over him by representing Christ’s truth.  Rev 12:17,10-12

The woman is not the congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses where they flee into the woods somewhere and are fed real food.  Gog has already been at work deceiving and persecuting the saints when “she”, represented by those who belong to her, flees to the wilderness as the “slain” carcass, and is fed by Christ.  Rev 20:7-9; 3:20  They have left the organization, disfellowshipped by the "Man of Lawlessness" elder body that rules over the anointed.  John 16:2; Rev 13:15  Those that flee have rejected the “mark of the Beast” and instead, have written on their “foreheads” the seal and name of God. Rev 13:16,17; 14:1; 22:4 Gog and Magog are Revelation’s Beasts who “kill” those refusing to “worship” or give reverence to an organization/Beast as their source of salvation.  Simply, very simply, they recognize their salvation is found only through Christ.  2 Cor 11:3

All of this is happening right under the nose of each JW;  yet they look a thousand miles away to the Satan’s visible “machinations” for fulfillment, which is just what he wants them to do.       

“And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: ²⁷ They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. ²⁸ Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; ²⁹ but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. ³⁰ Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

“In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. ³² Remember Lot’s wife.³³ Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. ³⁴ I tell you, in that night there will be two ^[j]men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. ³⁵ Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. ^36 [k]Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.”

³⁷ And they answered and said to Him, “Where, Lord?”

So He said to them, “Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.” Luke 17:26-37

Matt 24:15,16 - “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

9 hours ago, Kosonen said:

@Witness Hi witness, I did not find any fault in your post above. Except that I don't believe much what doxey writes. 

 

And you wrote: "This is how Satan successfully deceives, by giving us bits and pieces of truth to help an individual on the edge of falling into his trap, become prepped to swallow his lies through his agents.  2 Cor 11:4,13-15"

But is it not just that would happen if I begun taking in what doxey writes?

 

Kosonen, you said, “Similarly when today's holy place, the JW complex at Warwick, will be desacrated by political simbols by the authorities, that will be the sign to start fleeing literaly as did the jewish christians to safety. Because that will be the begining of the persecution that will last till the end.”

 I just want to mention again that your interpretation of Revelation and Matt 24 is no different than Watchtower’s worldly view of looking at politics for fulfillment, but with possibly different players.   

If we are to be “no part of the world”, our attention would not be on the world at the time of Jesus’ return. We would be looking into ourselves.   We would be desiring to gather as a Body once leaving a wicked slave’s rule, up-building and helping them be successful at defeating Satan’s deception.  I can’t take in your worldly views when it is very clear that the “holy place” is not Warwick, but is the Temple of God. 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22   I believe I’ve given you many scriptures to verify this, but I have not really seen scriptures to support your ideas.

Please, try to comprehend the words:

^“ Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; ²¹ nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”  Luke 17:20,21

Observation!  You believe the world will observe Warwick being plastered with political symbols! 

“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. ² By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, ³ and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, (Man of Lawlessness) which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

⁴ You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. ⁵ They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them. ⁶ We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.  1 John 4:1-6

Pearl Doxsey – “First the wall – then the entire Temple” 4womaninthewilderness

On 12/10/2018 at 7:43 AM, JOHN BUTLER said:

Quote @Witness  " It is through Holy Spirit that each individual who cares to find good "fruit" that anointed ones are to teach, can recognize it as such." 

Back to square one then. How are those of the Earthly Class supposed to know who are the true Anointed. If we do not know then we do not know who to listen to. 

For my part I've come to a brick wall in all of it now. In my opinion only the true Anointed can tell us the way, but God and /or Jesus Christ have not shown me who they are. Hence my feelings that I have no chance of surviving Armageddon / the Judgement Day. 

Also you say 'Jesus did tell us to dig' but as I've said before, in my opinion the Scriptures were written for those of the Anointed only, not for the rest of us. Hence Jesus was telling the Anointed to dig not us.

Jesus talks about us of the earthly class as, 'Other sheep' 'not of that fold'. 

Therefore it can be seen that Jesus is talking about us, not to us. 

 

 

The Ethiopian eunuch was striving to understand what he was reading in the book of Isaiah.  Through Holy Spirit, Phillip is directed to go to him and explain the scriptures. Acts 8:26-31  The man, once comprehending and believing Christ as his savior, was baptized.  To me, this explains the role of the anointed ones, which is to teach others about Christ and God’s Kingdom. 

Mal 2:7 - “For the lips of a priest (1 Pet 2:5,9,10) should keep knowledge,
And people should seek the law from his mouth; For he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts.”

John 7:38,39; Rev 22:17

The scriptures offer guidance to everyone.  The symbolism of water baptism opens the way for God to guide all of us through “living waters”.

Jesus answered, "If you knew the gift of God, and who is saying to you, 'Give me a drink,' you would ask him, and he would give you living water."  John 4:10

As Satan’s world spirals down to nothing, the clear message about Christ has become severely skewed by false prophets, false teachers.   The message that the anointed must teach, has been tainted as they listen to those who rule over them.    Rev 8:11; 13:11,14-17   I remember reading in a Watchtower not long ago, how it was explained that there was intense focus on Christ in the early days of the organization, but it had to be changed to focus on “Jehovah’s name”.  I was appalled at realizing how far from the teachings in the scriptures the WT had fallen.  They have reorganized and twisted scriptures to their liking causing  Christ’s message to be bridled, and his anointed oppressed.  The teachings of Christ are progressively suppressed to make way for the glorification of the teachings of men….yet, it is all done in the name of Jesus Christ! 

This is how Satan successfully deceives, by giving us bits and pieces of truth to help an individual on the edge of falling into his trap, become prepped to swallow his lies through his agents.  2 Cor 11:4,13-15

The anointed under the “woman” covenant are fully tested by Satan as God allows, and this test is magnified  as the end draws close.   Luke 22:31; Rev 12:4,13,14,17;Gal 4:26   Jesus’ teachings were preparing his Temple/priests who would be serving all of mankind in the Kingdom. He’s basically saying, I’ve chosen these individuals who must be thoroughly refined and found worthy to teach and serve you in the Kingdom.  Pay attention to my sayings, make sure their words are true, since many will fall away from me and “malign the truth”.  2 Pet 2:1-3  Follow my teachings and warnings about them, about the Kingdom, and submit to the guidance from the Father in all of this, so that you receive eternal life.   Jesus had flocks of people hanging on to these words, as did the apostles.  (1 Cor 1:1,2)

 So, his teachings and those of the apostles are fitting for all of us, giving guidelines and warnings to comprehend how the anointed are to be ready for the Kingdom; and what they, and all of us will face when Satan comes down hard in the last days.  Which is now. It is imperative to heed what scriptures teach us about Satan's deceptions; since the Marriage Feast, which is the unfurling of Revelation’s meanings, holds out an invitation to all – to all who are leaving the “city”, which you have.  Dan 12:4; Rev 1:1; Matt 22:1-14; Rev 22:17

Pearl Doxsey’s search box is an avenue to find out more about the “little flock” and “other sheep” and the Marriage Feast.

On 12/9/2018 at 3:52 AM, JOHN BUTLER said:

My feeling are that true Anointed ones would not be on this here site /forum. And I feel they would be gathering together, not disagreeing with each other.

This is the warring of "kings", not those found in the world of politics, but Christ's kings - his priests. 1 Pet 2:5,9   That is what the Great Tribulation is about.  Rev 1:5; 5:9,10  It is the war fought in the valley of decision.  Joel 2:28-32; 3:14  This involves our heart's desire to love either a lie or truth.  2 Thess 2:9-12  Through all of this, is the presence of the "Man of Lawless" standing/ruling over the anointed ones - the Temple of God.  False prophets will have declared Christ's premature coming in 1914.    2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3

The anointed who leave the Watchtower, leave behind oppression, idolatry and sin; hopefully desiring to be cleansed of it all.  Rev 3:14-22  

The preaching work before Christ returns is to "Israel" - those kings gathered within the Watchtower.  Matt 10:6, 23; Rev 20:7-10  This forum is an avenue for JWs, and an avenue for anointed to spread truth - about the Wicked Slave and the Man of Lawlessness ruling over God's Temple priests.    The internet is a valuable tool to reach as many JWs as possible., and the Watchtower is completely aware of just how valuable it is.  

As JWI said, all anointed should be found "faithful and discreet".  Since the GB have labeled themselves as the only ones, I am amazed how Christ's words warning us of those who "lord it over" others is unheeded by JWs.  A "Wicked Slave" has so much power over the souls of all JWs, even those who complain about it but continue to endure their lies. 

 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh;  but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God. Rom 2:28,29

On 12/7/2018 at 12:34 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

It is not for us to dig, we do not have the guidance of God's Holy Spirit. Only the Anointed have that guidance. The Bible was written with Holy Spirit and only Holy Spirit will decipher it. 

Jesus did tell us to dig, because he knew the circumstances at the end of the days.  He knew the confusion Satan would lay upon us.  Matt 13:44; Prov 2:1-5

Of course everyone can be guided by Holy Spirit.  It is through Holy Spirit that each individual who cares to find good "fruit" that anointed ones are to teach, can recognize it as such.  Matt 7:15-20

Can you see that you have distinguished the "bad fruit" spoken by the GB?  This is through the blessing of Holy Spirit. He doesn't abandon us to just guesswork if our heart cries out to him.  If we have the heartfelt desire to serve God in truth, he helps us to do so through the Spirit.  We become Christ's sheep.  John 10:1-15

On 12/9/2018 at 2:43 AM, Arauna said:

I am not deceived by those anointed who are jealous of the control by others - as they wish to depict the situation.  This means they want a bigger say - more control?  Want to be central in the decision making?   .... because they are the true anointed?   .......  True anointed are very humble and do not think they have all the knowledge which others do not have even if they are taught by jehovah.   They will keep peace at all costs

Jesus was a humble man, but by far he didn’t keep “peace at all costs”. Matt 10:34  He exposed the lies.  Anointed must follow in the  footsteps of Jesus, should they remain mute when the “house steward” expects them to obey their lies?  Luke 22:24-27  There is no “control” over others within the anointed Body, but each is to support the other equally; and they are fully expected by Christ, to obey him only as their head and support his truth.  1 Cor 12:21-26

For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.  Heb 4:12

In other words, it segregates those who follow Christ's teachings completely, from those who expect the anointed and companions, to follow men and their organization.    

“Control” over the anointed ones signifies the presence of a Wicked Slave.  Matt 24:48-51

55 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

 

 

 

If all you do is play Monopoly ... you begin to think the cash is real, and the board game is real.

 

 

 

JTR, how real to you is "the only game in town"?

On 12/5/2018 at 11:36 AM, Kosonen said:

Look how blind God's servant was in the past. Looks like the same repeats time and again. (I try hard that I would not fall for the same error, by following Jesus' words as much as I can).

 

They fell into idolatry, over and over, leaving the true worship of God, just as the anointed have done by supporting a worldly organization.  This organization has convinced them of its existence by stating it had its roots in the first century and established in Jerusalem by the apostles.  Yet, those same apostles accomplished their ministry through the direction of Holy Spirit, not through men. Acts 13:2,4; 8:26,27,29; Gal 1:11,12,16,17   Today’s anointed can barely move a muscle without the GB/Harlots and elders not anointed, telling them what and what not to do. They are certainly “trapped, plundered and pillaged”, as a people.  I can imagine how the apostles would have dealt with that.  3 John 9,10  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+13%3A2%2C4%3B+8%3A26%2C27%2C29%3B+Gal+1%3A11%2C12%2C16%2C17%3B+3+John+1%3A9%2C10 &version=NIV

 The anointed also, are joining in spiritual adultery/harlotry by not listening to the Father and Christ’s direction through Holy Spirit that was placed in their heart upon their anointing.  I did the same thing.   Gal 4:6; 2 Cor 1:21,22      https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gal+4%3A6%3B+2+Cor+1%3A21%2C22&version=NIV

 They refuse to hear what Holy Spirit can tell them.  John 14:16,26    Just as the scripture brings out that you quoted, they do not walk “in God’s way” but choose to remain blind to the direction they are to go, which is to join Christ and his “restored” Temple priests/”living stones”.   Their plundering is symbolic, being cut off from Christ and the Body, but very real through the practices of men who have been given false authority to judge them. Rom 14:4   God has allowed this to come upon spiritual “Israel” – Jacob.  By listening to men and not to Christ, they have sinned against Him.  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14%3A16%2C26&version=NIV

Rev 2:12-16 “To the angel of the church in Pergamum write:

These are the words of him who has the sharp, double-edged sword.¹³ I know where you live—where Satan has his throne. Yet you remain true to my name…

¹⁴ Nevertheless, I have a few things against you: There are some among you who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin so that they ate food sacrificed to idols and committed sexual immorality. ¹⁵ Likewise, you also have those who hold to the teaching of the Nicolaitans. ¹⁶ Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth."

Just briefly looking into this teaching of the Nicolaitans, we find it signifies, “victorious over the people”, “domineerers of the people”

Here’s more:

The two names (Nicolaitans, Balaam) have very similar meanings in their respective languages: “Balaam is derived from two Hebrew words, בָּלַע [bālaʿ] (‘he swallows’) and עָם [ʿām] (‘people’). Interestingly, according to the derivative meanings of the names, the two groups troubling this church [Pergamos] were ‘swallowers of the people’ (i.e., the Balaamites) and ‘conquerors of the people’ (i.e., the Nicolaitans).” If the similar meaning of their names is significant and their mention in adjoining verses in the letter to Pergamos is intended to show a relationship, then it is thought that the licentious tendencies of the Nicolaitans might be understood in light of the doctrine of Balaam.     http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/revelation/related-topics/nicolaita

The elders, through direction of the GB/wicked slave are “conquers of the people”, which signifies the trademark of the “Man of Lawlessness” standing in the Temple of God. 2 Thess 2:,4 They have “swallowed” the true priesthood and supplanted themselves over God’s Temple stones and conquered their position by boastfully saying, “Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders!”.  This is under the ironic Watchtower subheading, “MUST YOU MEN ALSO TRY TO SECURE THE PRIESTHOOD?” of the WT 02/8/1 entitled, “LOYAL SUBMIT TO GODLY AUTHORITY”

The GB and elders are NOT submitting to Godly authority, but doing exactly what the subheading asks.  This is a typical twist that Satan is so good at braiding together. 

  They are “swallowed” by such captivity reflected in the prayerful cry of Jonah while in the fish.   Jonah 2:1-10; Isa 1:12-20  Only those who reject this rule, as we both have done, can relate to the plight of God’s inheritance.  Jesus said he will “fight against them with the sword of my mouth”.   

And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thess 2:8

Ps.55:21; Heb.4:12; Rev.2:12; John12:48; Rev.19:15          https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps.55%3A21%3B+Heb.4%3A12%3B+Rev.2%3A12%3B+John12%3A48%3B+Rev.19%3A15&version=NIV

But, dear Kosonen, turning your eyes to the activities in the world of politics, is causing you to reject the place of “worship” that God has personally set up through His Son.  You are a “living stone” of that Temple.  Surely you desire to become one with its members?    The Temple stones have been brought to ruin in the Wt.  This is no different than what has happened in the past with Israel’s literal temples.  That is the scenario that relates to history, only spiritual.  “Gentile” elders – “Nicolatians” in characteristic form - have trampled God’s Temple stones, while upholding the Watchtower idol, sacrificing words of “praise” in its behalf.  Rev 13:4

Please, elders!  Consider your precarious position before the Father and Christ!  Have you been anointed by God?  Or, have you been “anointed” by the GB?  Does your appointment usurp the appointment made by God?

Kosonen, could it be you who ‘sees many things’, “but you do not keep watch. You open your ears, but you do not listen.”?

Look at these scriptures with a “new” spiritual eye on the living Temple of God (Luke 5:37,38)

Deut 12

“These are the decrees and laws you must be careful to follow in the land that the Lord, the God of your ancestors, has given you to possess—as long as you live in the land. ² Destroy completely all the places on the high mountains, on the hills and under every spreading tree, where the nations you are dispossessing worship their gods. ³ Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and burn their Asherah poles in the fire; cut down the idols of their gods and wipe out their names from those places.

⁴ You must not worship the Lord your God in their way. ⁵ But you are to seek the place the Lord your God will choose from among all your tribes to put his Name there for his dwelling.”   Deut 12:1-5

“Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?   If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.    ” 1 Cor 3:16,17

“The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.”  Rev 3:12

Deut 12 - “To that place you must go; ⁶ there bring your burnt offerings and sacrifices, your tithes and special gifts, what you have vowed to give and your freewill offerings, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks. Deut 12:6

“Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father.                                           But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. ²⁴ God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4:21,23,24

“you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.”  1 Pet 2:5

Deut 12 -  “ ⁷ There, in the presence of the Lord your God, you and your families shall eat and shall rejoice in everything you have put your hand to, because the Lord your God has blessed you.

⁸ You are not to do as we do here today, everyone doing as they see fit,⁹ since you have not yet reached the resting place and the inheritance the Lord your God is giving you.”                    

The apostles focused on the anointed and the believers with them.  Jesus set the foundation of the Temple and Truth, teaching them to worship “in spirit”.  Today, the remnant must readjust their personal spiritual damage, and damage to the Temple caused by Satan’s deceit.  Instead of concentrating on events that may or may not happen in his world, we are to help each other be “restored”, even though at the resistance of those who held power over us.  Nehemiah 1:4-9;2:17-20     https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Nehemiah+1%3A4-9%3B2%3A17-20+   &version=NIV

 1 Pet 4:17-19; Matt 7:13,14; 1 Cor 5:12,13a   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Pet+4%3A17-19%3B+Matt+7%3A13%2C14%3B+1+Cor+5%3A12%2C13a&version=NIV

“Destroy completely all the high mountains”. Deut 12:2 The highest mountain that has come against the Temple of God is the “mountainlike organization” which has successfully defeated the anointed through DECEPTION.  Deception takes them down and I know you can’t dismiss that.   Please, don’t be gullible by thinking what you literally see happening in the world, is the fulfillment of Revelation.  Surely you are not dismissing everything that the apostles in Christ taught us beginning with the foundation of the Temple? 

How is the mountain “destroyed”?  God’s word is like “fire”, which I think you’ve brought out before, and put in the mouths of His chosen ones.  This fire brings about judgment against such a mountain. Heb 1:7; Matt 3:11; Acts 2:3,4 -  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Heb+1%3A7%3B+Matt+3%3A11%3B+Acts+2%3A3%2C4&version=NIV

I hope you see that our focus must be on each other, the Temple, as brought out in Deuteronomy, and by Christ.  The anointed are to walk in Christs footsteps closer in fulfillment than we may realize.  We face the leaders of our own people who have placed “heavy burdens” on us and all JWs. Matt 23:4  We turn to the new true Temple of God built on the chief cornerstone, as did the apostles.  Satan will busy your mind with his worldly activities just to divert your attention from the perilous situation the “living stones” of God’s Temple already face.

If we do not “go to the place of God’s dwelling” will we reach the “resting place” and the inheritance set before us?

“Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. ² For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed. ³ Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,

“So I declared on oath in my anger,
    ‘They shall never enter my rest.’”

And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world.

⁶ Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, ⁷ God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:

“Today, if you hear his voice,
    do not harden your hearts.”

⁸ For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. ⁹ There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; ¹⁰ for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. ¹¹ Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

¹² For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. ¹³ Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

¹⁴ Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven,^[f] Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. ¹⁵ For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin. ¹⁶ Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.”  Heb 4:1-3,6-14

Where is God’s throne? 

“But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly.   to the church of the firstborn, (the anointed Body of Christ)

whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, ²⁴ to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.”  Heb 12:22-24

We come to the Temple of God. We proclaim how the Temple has been transgressed by the already present “Man of Lawlessness” – the elder body.  Need it be bigger and more obvious from the world of politics?  No! It only takes one person to crush another; yet, the army of elders is much more expansive and impressive than the number of anointed ones.  Rev 9:3-6; Joel 1:6,7  Through a Wicked Slave assuming the role of “High Priest”, it has thoroughly crushed the position of the anointed, making their identity as a priesthood, nonexistent!

It is our ministry during the last days.  Rev 11:1-3; Matt 10:23; 24:15,16  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+11%3A1-3%3B+Matt+10%3A23%3B+24%3A15%2C16&version=NIV