Space Merchant

It isn't about agreeing or disagreeing, what was said is legitimately, and 100% revolving around Core Teachings concerning the New Covenant (it's main notion being the promise that God will forgive sin and restore fellowship with those whose hearts are turned toward Him), this is something those in Christendom who understand what the Bible conveys, specifically, in regards to what Jesus taught, what he commanded and what transpired after his death, recognize. This was something before the Church itself began, before the chosen ones of Pentecost 33AD sent out to convert people into the faith, thus being called Christians later on.
I mean, you told me a while back you read your Bible, how did this go passed your eyes and mind?
An example of Core Teaching vs Non Core Teaching concerning, let's go with Miraculous Gifts. This for, granted we have the Bible today, after John died, the gifts itself ceased with him, legitimate Christians understand that this to be the case, then you have those who do not follow Core Teachings, and attribute to the idea, that such gifts can be performed by imperfect non inspired man today, i.e. having the ability to see Heaven and Hell (various visions), to speak on tongues, etc. Using what is said in the Bible to destroy, and not uplift concerning the Messianic Age, New Age Theology that humans are equal to angels, and or to God, the list goes on.
Anyone can be a spokesman of God, this goes back to what I said about Prophets Inspired vs Prophets Non-Inspired, therefore, there are the legitimate types and the false types, in that regard. This is also beyond Jehovah's Witnesses, for, they didn't command the Commission, nor did it originate with them; they saw what was written, and took steps into doing what was said in the Bible, New Testament specifically. True Christians, knowing they are imperfect, knowing they are not part of the world, act as spokesman of God in regards to conveying the Gospel, The Good News Gospel, granted, Jesus was the one to even give the Commission in the first place, hence the actions of the Christians in the 1st Century - Matthew 28:16-20.
The Great Commission
 
[16] Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. [17] And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted. [18] And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. [19] Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [20] teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
In addiction to that, they speak of the coming of the Christ, his second coming, which is in the Bible, as is the Messianic Kingdom, and what God himself will do with mankind and the earth by means of his Son, the chosen Christ. Going with what @Arauna and @Matthew9969 brought up, there will be Firstfruits that will be coming with the Christ, it should be noted too the first of the Firstfruits is Jesus himself. To add on to that, Christians who do follow their Bible prophesy to promote true worship in harmony with God's Will, as is advocate righteousness, mainly when dealing with morals.
As for your last point, even the followers of Jesus messed up a few times, it did not deter them from continuing what they have been doing concerning the faith, due to their imperfections, even in face of harm itself, and or apostate Christians who cause problems for the church.
That being said, at least take time to realize what is in the Bible, understand it, then convey it. Because, if I recall, the Bible along can easily be your own undoing at times.

The New Covenant is core teaching. It isn't new/changed theology. Nor is the Firstfruit Teaching. Refer to what was said previously, or what @Arauna said.

This Youtuber has Phd in Theological Studies and offers his personal opinions throughout.
I thought it interesting to see how others view us....

@BroRando Although 2034 is far away, do you believe some JWs would survive what the United Nations is planning to do? For by 2030, as is the nearing years to come near it; there is going to be huge changes that will effect the majority of the unaware, even the religious. For Babylon and the White Beast do have tactics against those who are not for them, and the mandate situation and interment camps for some is just a foreshadowing.
I say this because of what happened in the early 00s and 2016.

Seems the majority of blue states are doing this, compared to red states.

This is the case, but they have been rallying religious leaders since the early 2000s, have several events and movements that spawned from it, even using the Pope as a mouthpiece. Some of the pastors some EXJWs follow, are among this fold. Babylon is working and moving about but only when the time comes, the Beast will attack her.
They will be involved, however, they are under the UN banner, even side by side with their opponents. The only group who, switched teams, is Saudi Arabia as of recent.
Tribulation End Times will be brutal, but the Firstfruits still roam, and we should be doing what we can in concerning the gospel, and the truth itself. We should also be aware of who the real enemy is, otherwise, those who do not know will fall easily, if people can easily fall back in 2016 concerning the Pope, even in regards to the JW ban in Russia not realizing the timeline of it to Putin's re-election, they will continue to do so now.
 

The website bares the exact notions of the other group who caused problems for the people of the Borough on the East Coast, the group is referred to as TVAA, which, after a build up, failed in whatever it is they are doing, therefore, this website, proclaimed the very same thing they did, and it would be a repeated process, only this time, there is a political element involved. There will be bad actors, as usual, and you already have people angry at not JWs, but former JWs who caused various issues in the past, the irony is, any disgruntled EXJW will not tell you this.
For instance, this build up to the 2017 event, planned in advance - https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/188275/since-some-were-asking-about-vast-apostate-army
The thing is, this stuff isn't unknown to anyone. People are aware that in every institution and or group, be it religious or educational, even business/corporate, there are some who do bad things, abuse their power, all while in a position of authority, this goes with the issue of abuse, even pedophila.
During a one-year period in the U.S., 16% of youth ages 14 to 17 had been sexually victimized; and over the course of their lifetime, 28% of U.S. youth ages 14 to 17 had been sexually victimized (https://victimsofcrime.org/child-sexual-abuse-statistics/)
Even told @ApostaBabe Linda James that once everything opens up, things will be worse, and you have articles like this appearing - https://www.justice-firm.com/blog/the-prevalence-of-child-sexual-abuse-in-schools/
Despite this, there are people within such communities and institutions who do speak truth and is against the bad, although some, are not equipped to deal with some situations and use whatever in their ability, what is known, to deal with it vs those who adhere to solutions in order to prevent abuse or suspects of abuse. This is why the majority, even those on the Conservative side, specifically seek to target the people who do bad, in a sense, pulling weeds out of the grass, so to speak.

It will not be only EXJWs who will appear there unfortunately, there will be opportunist (as with all rallies and protests because there is something to gain and or commit - an agenda). EXJWs have influenced people who is neither JW or EXJW to join them, i.e. EXJWs claim all JWs are Anti-Gay, sparking some folks in the LGBTQ community to rally with them, when in reality, JWs and most Christians do not dislike the person because of homosexuality, it is the conduct itself that is detested, in addition to that, Christians would often times be prompted to speak of the Bible with such people (hence Commission), however, EXJWs preach that this should not be done at all. They even have the irreligious among them, which is worse.
That said, seems the disgruntled EXJWs will not have much to stand on for some practices if there is a biblical connection, granted, for example, Expelling, otherwise known as Excommunication is not only within the core of Christianity, but also, practiced outside of religion, just recently we seen the MSM, all the way to members of congress, even practiced Expelling, therefore, this is something that disgruntled EXJWs will not really be able to beat, as it has failed back in 2017, it would fail here.
This is a different case compared to the situation in the Bible, they are about to deal with not only the political paradigm, but the majority of folks, like Leftist, who advocate for something a watered down Christianity, which is what the Beast supports, and pedophile being normalized in today's society, not to mention people who actually harm children, of which the police will not tell you, is that there are such people who live close to schools and churches, as is releasing such people out into the general publication who can do anything and go anywhere, even fool religious people, such as JWs, in order to enter said community.

A child abuse survivor out of one of the Bible Student community, who was attacked by EXJWs back in 2017, stated, the real fight should be against those in that paradigm who work with the beast, otherwise, the problems will continue to on. Sadly, he was attacked and forced to make another video to retract what he said, and later, he was forced to delete his videos because of the Apostates who came out of the JW community. It was bad to the point both JWs and non disgruntled EXJWs had to come to this man's defense, even the former EXJW himself, now turned Red Light District Adventurer, Llyod Evans.
I was trying to find the videos for those who wanted critical information, but they are nowhere to be found.

I said this to @Equivocation because among the JW churches disrupted, his one was of them
 
There was also a cover up related to that event whereas some videos by disgruntled EXJWs, they wiped and or deleted after it was revealed of who stopped the park protest.
Like I said, it will be like 2017 but a bit more concerning, problematic and complex.

The US and the UK are under the UN banner, but they are not the core, it's head, which makes no sense because their opponents, such as China, and Russia, are under the UN too. Several of us, like @Arauna, @Kosonen, etc. and myself, spoke extensively about this, in my case and @Kosonen, we tend to track whatever the Beast and Babylon is doing, as of recently, the Beast has plans for children that will only embolden abusers and will not be favorable for anyone with or cares for children, in my case, Truthers are very knowing of protest and what the core of such lays on, some with foundations, some that has nothing, but thrive primarily on emotion.

Babylon's attack will not start with JWs outright though (this goes for the Russia situation prior to the proxy war), as everyone knows, they, as do others, know that the Firstfruits still roam, the greatest of her attacks will come in full force soon, and during that time, it will be revealed who is for the Most High and who is not in relation to everyone who claims to be of God and his Christ. 2016 and other events reflects this, but it will be grander when that time comes where everyone will be involved.

They have the right to protest, but is MUST be for the right reasons, as the abuse survivor mentioned.
Abuse of power for nefarious means is NOT unknown to anyone in the general public.
 
True Christians will not show up to this event (as is any event that is similar, i.e. Washington DC 2016), mainly if you factor in of
[A] who they want to speak to and -
[B] who supports them, i.e. no True Christian who stand side by side of advocates of the LGBTQ community to take down a faith of whom they agree/disagree with on some things.
For example, Soldier of God, when he was alive, he knew about the upcoming protest in the Borough (TVAA showing up at JW churches, Warwick and a Public Park) and advised everyone some Christians faiths are like another tribe, and such tribe have their enemies, do not mingle with the enemies of other tribes are you'll become not only an enemy to their enemy, but to everyone else. Mind you, someone who is said to be chosen, now deceased, has stated this outside of bringing up awareness to anyone who listens. Moreover, EXJW have stated they want to burn down the Watchtower and shut down the JW faith entirely, which is very extreme, although it was said in 2017, it is said now, and the difference here is that they do not joke about harming or killing religious leaders in the faith, hence, which is probably why the abuse survivior stopped them.

That being said, protests have two paths, legitimate change and there is the warpath aspect of it, I say this from experience because of the people I dealt with for several years now.

This one will be just like Nov. 2017 without question, it is absolute certainty. There will be not only JWs against them, but former JWs that do not follow the disgruntled apostasy mindset of those with a warpath ideology in mind, as is any regular civilian who is a rational thinker, who, as of we recall form last time, compared disgruntled EXJWs to Extremist for not only the protest, but disrupting religious service, which they are known for. Example of a regular rational person vs a disgruntled EXJW in the screen below,

 
The ironic thing about them weaponizing ARC is they will not tell you a key element in Case Study 29 (which the general public can read vs what is said online or by the MSM - https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-studies/case-study-29-jehovahs-witnesses).
This seems to be the case with the website you linked, nor will they tell you the truth about the ARC investigation, for disgruntled EXJWs will tell you that the reported number of perpetrators is 1,006 who did the crimes related to child abuse and it had been hidden by the JW church as the claim goes, however, the reality is, the ARC investigation recorded that around 380+ of these have been reported to the police around the time abuse or suspect of abuse had occurred, and because of this, a percentage of the 380+ resulted in convictions of those who committed the crime. Therefore, the notion that this was hidden information, or that JWs did not cooperated and such cases were kept form justice, with lawful authority; all regarded as false.
This is something @Srecko Sostar, @Witness and Butler did not understand at the time, and even today, the same case.
As for other events, with what has been going on recently with both Babylon and the Beast, this protest will not do well. @Kosonen and I are correct when it comes to various protests, be it this, or political ones and or other, this goes for Truthers, who also deal with and often times are victims of so called Activists.
 

Apologies for the swear word in headline but there are no other bad words in the body of the discussion....if I remember correctly.   This is an indication of where the world is going....... We have not seen half of what is coming! UN told governments to allow child sex!
 
The following link shows that they are doing a new Treaty for the UN - and the USA is bringing in the Restrict act.  This discussion below shows the kind of people who run the WHO  
 
Unfortunately, the changes to the WHO treaty of 2005 is receiving very little media attention and this is the one that has already been signed by all countries:- In May they will accept the changes to the old treaty.  The clauses for Human rights and human dignity has been taken out.
More about it on this link: unfortunately these are not my favorite people but they do talk about it in detail:
https://rumble.com/v2k87m0-james-roguski-theyre-just-gonna-implement-a-global-digital-health-certifica.html?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
Together with this Restrict Act - we will go into a totalitarian system.  this guy understands what is coming! 
https://www.brighteon.com/34c49f07-a999-4727-8f20-0536fb9ab525
 rev 13: " And it was permitted to give breath* to the image of the wild beast, so that the image of the wild beast should both speak and cause to be killed all those who refuse to worship the image of the wild beast.16  It puts under compulsion all people—the small and the great, the rich and the poor, the free and the slaves—that these should be marked on their right hand or on their forehead,v 17  and that nobody can buy or sell except a person having the mark, the namew of the wild beast or the number of its name.x 18  This is where it calls for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a man’s number,* and its number is 666.
 
THIS IS THE WARNING FROM A HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR!
https://rumble.com/v2htkfq-vera-sharavs-historic-nuremberg-speech-eugenics-then-and-now.html?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
 
I hope these videos show you how bible prophecy will be fulfilled and educated what is going on.
 

@admin His time was coming, perhaps they needed more evidence against him just so they can, in this sense, excommunicate him. Don also lied too about no one contacting him because he was called to speak to someone higher up, hence the response he was given by CNN.
All and all, the MSM is problematic.
Tucker Carlson was let go too because he began to realize the MSM was problematic, judging by one of his past interviews, and Fox News has been sucked into the paradigm itself. Ironically enough, Alex Jones was correct regarding what happened.
That being said, something is at play, and we won't see or have an idea anytime soon, we may see something in the coming weeks.

The teams under the UN banner are changing teams behind the scenes, the only one who is public with it was Saudi Arabia. It will not look good for the US later down the road and a lot of what many has predicted for years down, concerning The World Police, and it's currency, will be put to task, a difficult one. At the same time, it would be wise to know who your friends are and who are foes are because under express pressures, someone people change tune completely.
But like I said many months ago, Hyperinflation and a list of things, inevitable, and the world leaders aren't making anything any better for those who tragically depend on them.

@Space Merchant, I am so sorry for your losses, and for what they suffered, the family of the young boy and the others. It will be such a good day when all the suffering is over and the loved ones are all together again in peace. Jesus ransom blood is such a precious gift. Thank you for sharing your strong faith in the ransom and for loving truth. It is an encouragement to me and refreshing, as I am sure it is to many others here as well. 💖
 
"By iron, iron itself is sharpened. 
So one man sharpens the face of another."
 
"Let us hold fast the public declaration of our hope without wavering, for he is faithful that promised.  And let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as you behold the day drawing near."

@AudreyAnnaNana That was only small portion of the screenshot, apparently there is a lot more that is still there, other sermons, and even articles (more than 1-3 pages of articles, and 2-3 pages of videos concerning this person), etc. Several of your videos you noted there I was able to see via search, on top of that Jehovah's Witnesses as a monthly worship via broadcasts, those are still present in regards to this person; as for streamed live events, that is usually temporary across the board for anyone who does this, excluding other platforms such as YouTube. Other then that, on a database, regarding this, one cannot simply delete things, majority of the time it is archived, even if that were the case, the other sermons are present.
As for @Kosonen, I am aware of his threads and his posts, he is among the few that knows some various situations that would affect people, even other JWs, same case with @Anna and @JW Insider, but @Arauna, and someone who use to comment here, Outta Here, took it a step further - this is of course outside of any Biblical discussions that took place on this forum.
In fact, @Kosonen and I, although speculation, noted the events that would most likely transpire/lead up to the events in Washington DC on January 6, 2021, even regarding things of what the Wild Beast is currently doing, moreover, he seeks more chosen ones to connect with, who are neutral like him, but he has not really been on for some time, and was highly discouraged by @Witness a few times over.
 
 
 

Interesting to see another Haitian person on here, I am Haitian/Belizean, the Haitian side of the family is out of St. Marc, Ayiti, raised there for a good chunk of my life on God's green earth. But you'll have to join groups, if you are one of JWs, you'll have to go to the JW only group.
@Anna or @JW Insider should be able to help you with that.
 

I always share the information, only a few pay attention, especially regarding institutions, which, in this case, connects with what I had learned over the days elsewhere. For the record, I am 100% conspiracy theories and falsehoods, Truthers in general are against such things, hence why I am very critical of misconceptions, even misconceptions spoken here. I stick to truth and facts. Nor have I ever told anyone to do the research unless they ask for something specific directly and or if it is warranted in a debate.
Apparently there has been rounds of religious folks (Christians being on the forefront) and the morally upright being targeted regarding various things they are moralistically are against, which originated long before the Nashville shooting for there has been a new emboldened build up for some time now, but as of recent has become more and more concerning. I had share similar notions in the past before concerning what the Beast/Babylon is doing. Unfortunately some do not listen, for instance, what I told @ApostaBabe Linda James or Butler.
As for those in Catholicism, one of my debate rivals talked about threats being sent to Catholic churches and schools, which has gone unchecked by the paradigm, and apparently he wasn't the only one to bring this up. Only recently the media somehow is picking up on this in Penn. state.
Pennsylvania State Police are investigating a series of hoax phone calls made to 911 centers on Wednesday that prompted numerous schools across the state to enter lockdowns or go into evacuation mode.... The calls are believed to be "computer-generated swatting calls," state police said. They are hoax calls made to emergency officials which aim to cause large police responses.  
Safe2Tell noted - Resurrection Christian School and Loveland Classical Schools both closed school Friday, citing rumors of violence against Christian organizations and general threats
SWATTING threats usually involve falsehoods about murder, threats of murder/assassination, bomb threats, etc. The sadistic goal is to it to lead to a few deaths. This also goes for rumored threats.
Those 2 examples are two of several, outside of Nashville and the other ones, one recent mass shooting stopped by a janitor.
As for Jehovah's Witnesses, are in this too, concerning security measures, for, both Ezekiel and Kathgar who are JWs, cited there were talks of security, even before the Germany shooting, however, it is more serious talks in that regard, adding for their communion, this was the case, in Kathgar's case, he was already a victim of a terror group in the past. It will be a little harder for them because, not all JWs are aware of things, in a sense, a few of them easily gullible in some instances.
I am not non-religious, but it does affect us too, granted, some of us are out and about proclaiming the gospel, I already had my share of experiences with folks that do not like the Bible's message, especially out of the crazed political paradigm, one person in particular, who, I mentioned by name, is out of jail and still works at a school, hence my disdain for the current, and broken educational institution. Although I do not give into threats, even regarding some folks in other places, even here.
Not only there is a physical threat, in that regard, but a mental one too, something, Butler posted a while back, what I told him, became true, which is predictable because of the various things taking place in the background.
The reason I use the avatar was because of a child, a good friend to me, who passed away in his sleep, a few months shy away from age 11, I had mention this many times. Star Wars, specifically, The Storm Trooper was one of his favorite character (First Order so they're not clones), although they miss, he, was, and I myself later, was aware that they only miss because the plot demands it.
That being said, he was an only child of two genuine parents. Although he has been a sleep in death for a long time now, he is not forgotten, and soon God, along with his Christ, will bring him back. This goes for the other lost souls who were close to me, one of whom, suffered greatly.
I am not a Universalist Unitarian, especially when I am not in support of the Oneness view, which isn't core, among several things. We had this conversation before, and I recall some people attesting to the same thing only to be corrected. The only person who thought differently was @Jack Ryan, he assumed I was Muslim.
That being said, I am simply a man of God who understands that how a Christian should operate should be like that of the early apostolic church, who defends what is true, as well as speak truth to falsehoods misconceptions and other conspiracies that people proclaim as a truth, as is being 100% against agendas, in turn, knowing very well who is really friend or foe, as is the real enemy.
With all that said, there is some ongoing noise in the Truther community, a bit more direct towards religious folks though, so should I post anything this time, it would be wise to pay attention. This goes for you, or anyone here, any JW, etc.

Interesting to see another Haitian person on here, I am Haitian/Belizean, the Haitian side of the family is out of St. Marc, Ayiti, raised there for a good chunk of my life on God's green earth. But you'll have to join groups, if you are one of JWs, you'll have to go to the JW only group.
@Anna or @JW Insider should be able to help you with that.
 

@AudreyAnnaNana You've posted the video that alludes to Germany shooting itself in response to @EsADmf, I believe this is @Moise Racette. The uploader of the video is no different from what Pearl Stan such as Witness, has done using Marcus Vaughn as a sword, the same Marcus who lost to a strict Christian concerning Excommunication just days ago in a conversation.
That being said, it is not a surprise if someone calls for an investigation, this is what being on a warpath results in, this was indeed called out many times. Apostates often times have done things to people other than JWs to get them to remain in the background, even in some instances, use death threats (in order to get them off a platform), for some events that took place, even breaking into and disrupting a church service, time and time again, the biggest one was siding with the Kremlin for a ban. They even go after Excommunicated EXJWs who, recognize why they were Expelled reasons being because they do not follow what the Apostates were saying, i.e. Marcus' debate with a devoted Christian and an ExJW who is sick of dealing with some people in the Apostate community, this isn't the first time, nor is it the last time, these confrontations took place.
All this evidently built up causing people into making this stance. With the shooting, Apostates are saying this was due to Excommunication, however, the person in question disassociated himself with JWs, this was also concern by people who had connections to that JW church and or has known anyone there, even those who suffered. In addition to that, there was a concern about this person because of the letter sent about him which if taken seriously would have prevented the shooting.
Therefore, the shunning and or excommunication would have little to do with this, and people who weaponize the situation will only create more problems, with this shooting and the recent one in Nashville, which, regarding that one, any JW, even the ones here should be concerned about because there will be things heading their way due to the people who Apostates have rallied to not only go against JWs, but anything related to Bible truth itself.
Also, it should be noted it isn't a good idea to use this person, Goatlike Personality, as an example. 2017 isn't forgotten. Mainly if in the video, he is bias.
His issue was with this article, which has and will always be taken out of context because of people who are seeing the nature of some Apostates in opposition to the faith community - https://bitterwinter.org/apostates-3-disaffiliation-captivity-narratives/
The notion is that, Apostates are ex-members of religions or religious movements who become sworn enemies of the faith they have left. They have existed for centuries.
Which seems to be the argument of the article's author vs. someone who profits off of JW content.
That being said, it is impossible to make a devoted Christian, Anti-Pauline, especially if the Bible is taken seriously in terms of principles and practice.

@AudreyAnnaNana
It depends on the person and the community within the JW church, for instance, an African JW church can do far better than possibly an American one, although the faith is the same, culture and other aspects can fortify said community, for example, I mentioned an African JW church a while back, they do speak on subject matters far deeper in example to help guide the youth to a path that is good, in his case, when his church spoke of imperfections of man, they do speak of disorders, especially the one dealing with abuse. Sensitive topics should be talked about, even if you are of the faith or not, hence, such can act as somewhat of a shield to some people, even children, in most cases.

Expelling/Shunning in a cultural sense can differ because there are some sins, serious ones, that can spin a family into disbelief of what was done, for example,
A girl, age 22-23 at the time, was essentially saved by her mother, who is a JW. The girl in question nearly went into selling her body online after being persuaded, and her morals were nearly shot. This was the same case with her cousin, who tried to manipulate her into going into this form of immorality and to do it in secret, granted, her cousin, did not really care or took any Bible principles seriously. The girl spoke to her parents and guided her to not go down that path, and did speak with the cousin's parents, who did talk to their daughter, clearly the cousin did not care, nor did she listen, and only said she will keep God, Jehovah first, just to appease her parents. The girl's cousin was later expelled/shun by the church when it was found out not only she attempt to put inappropriate pictures of herself online (possibly to make money), but had sexual relations with someone at her college who thinks the behavior is okay, the only thing she avoided was a pregnancy, for if a child was born in such a situation, it will create more problems. She was evidently shunned by her church, and she still had interactions with her family, but the conversations were very awkward because the family were not only unhappy she was excommunicated, they were unhappy due to what she had done, and nearly got her own family member, the girl involved, in addition, they told her to cut communication with the boy who she had sexual relations with, in turn, the boy did not care and only saw what he had done as another win on his part, which speaks volume on today's society view on sex. About 2-3 years in, this person felt bad about her actions, and what could have been if she actually had a child, then she seek to repent, but when to the girl's family, granted, the girl's father was an elder in the JW church, for any contact she herself ignored from them before this shift in thinking. She was later reinstated, over time, people began talking to her, and she continued to mentally cope and fortify herself after the whole ordeal; for youth at times, do stupid things, often times, can be costly. It is unknown the current state of the cousin today, however, the girl who didn't end up like her cousin, thanked her mother to this day still, although her job prevents her from partaking in the church worship, she is given lessons and examples to research in her own time, and obviously, is given JW publications.
That was told my Sunrise Ezekiel, who is currently, a JW, and friends with the girl in question who told him this. If I remember correctly, he said this event unfolded in a Spainish JW church some years ago. Plus, it should be known that a situation like this, how Hispanic families would react.

That example resonates with me because of someone close to me who had a similar fate, however, the aftermath was not good. Although she and her family were not as religious, perhaps the father was, they lived off of good principle and morals, bad people got into my friend's end, and the rest made history and the news.

The decision to shun, the command itself is given by the Christ, as the example I gave about Gang-Stalkers, if a decision was made to not only expel, but to shun such a person, it will be put into practice, church ties will end, and any other ties with the person, who came for one's son and or daughter to mold them immorality, will be ignored entirely vs, per say, a guy who was expelled for smoking, but later gets help from any head or leader within the church.
 
It would depend on the person and the community's ability to discern and seek this person out in hopes of removing them, at times, even difficult because people can often change when they have some level of authority. So, someone can misuse any ability they have in order to protect themselves and or manipulate others to cover themselves, but such instances are not common, regardless of the church community.
But they practiced it themselves. On the contrary, Paul, Peter, and John often communicate with those who held religious office in the churches at the time, in Paul's case, you had Titus, Silas, Timothy, even Clement. These people held religious office over others within the church so they, along with those who aid them in maintaining order in the church, will use any ability given to them to take action.

They were not talking about ritualization, and Jesus himself was very clear on keeping the church clean in the very ability he gave the Apostles and the Church.
Yes different, but the ability given to the church derives from what carried over into the New Covenant, in turn, the early Christian Church.

Christians were meeting in both homes and churches, at the time any building and or the like was under some type of Establishment, mainly if everyone adheres to taxes within Asia Minor (Matthew 22:21), so the corporation or establishment remark is null. This also goes for anyone who isn't Christian around that time, i.e. people who follow and or go to support the Temple of Artemis (Diana).
They do this though, if someone is unrepentant, the person is never reinstated, mainly if there is no genuine interest to repent. even if the sinner claims to be of Christ and still sins, anyone who has the ability to keep him away from the flock will do it. To remove the ability to Excommunicate will only harm the church even more.
The only problem is to know if repentance is genuine or not, God and Christ can tell, but the common elder needs a high level of discernment in order to do so. even collectively.
 
They're not businessmen. Elders/Pastors are, in a sense, Overseers. Such people are to be qualified in order to buildup Christians spiritually, as well as helping them. The only elders and pastors who are businessmen, who are for profit and not for spiritual growth are Prosperity Preachers, and or any Preacher who uses Old Law for ministry gain, such as using the Tithe, which is Levitical, when people should give out of free will, and or some form of currency to move the gospel forward instead of a mega house.
Elders/Pastors who are not of the mainstream, often times, if possible, give time, energy and resources to the people in their community when given the chance, as is support spiritually. Going back to Excommunication, those qualified are the only ones who try to mend people who are expelled and realize their sins.
You say this, but it was Jesus himself who brought forth the binding and loosening of the church, which gave the abilities.

Excommunication has worked, we know this because of vile sins that would render core teachings entirely did not enter in some churches compared to most and or any vile notion is prevented. Although Jesus is not here yet, the task and command to maintain church purity within the community and family is what a Christian must do, mainly a family head. To refuse to do so, will only warrant judgment before the white throne as to why you didn't do what was entrusted.
 
Yes, but at the same time, you have to use any ability given to deal with those who seek to commit sin and can ultimately manipulate people, even a Christian, in order to do so. Waiting for Jesus is one thing, but trying to prevent and or minimize problems is something we as Christians must do, this is why I directly asked you about the Gang-stalker question, in that example you or anyone choosing to do nothing would put not only the daughter of someone at risk, but the community itself, because once the daughter is affected and goes into sin, the rest in the community of which you lead, in that example, will suffer, in some cases, you'll probably end up with a division situation like the Church of Corinth.
 

The Apostles had those of religious office under them to deal with the church, so they, applying what Jesus gave them, did call the shots. This has not changed in the first century, nor will it change today. If you are wondering, Timothy was not the only head ot the church at the time. For example, Timothy, Paul, even Silas, were not at churches 24/7, they were moving, therfore, others, elders or overseers in places like Philippi, will take instruction, and or in Thessalonica. Paul himself went as far as to even mention these churches had qualfied brothers of the faith to operate within the church.

In 1 Timothy 3:8–13 (even with references), the division of labor within the church, to guide the flock is cited. Like the apostles, the elders’ primary role is one of preaching the Word of God, in addition to, serving the congregation in whatever practical needs may arise and or deal with any problems, they are chosen due to obtaining for themselves a high standing and a great confidence in the faith that is in Christ Jesus, i.e. if Paul is in Corinth, clearly someone, like Clement (Php. 4:3), can deal with any situation Philippi and of course, they have others present to divide the labor work within the church.
Which is clearly done today. It is clear that in the 1st century and today, ties with anyone who did something bad, church ties should be cut, so when they do the sins, even the one you mentioned, they are to be cut off, as is speaking lies when they know the community deals with core teachings. Although cut off, they are not barred entirely from listening to sermons and or the like.

The situation differs when someone who did sin, and seeks legitimate repentance, therefore, some communication would be open to pave a path for said person, hence Jesus' remark who entrusted Excommunication, to bind and to loosen.
 
There is no issue with reinstatement in this regard, be it by a legitimate elder who deals with a small church congregation or a number of elders in a bigger church congregation. There isn't much of a problem with that, mainly in practice.
 

Expelling and reinstatement isn't institutionalization, hence Jesus remark in Matthew 16 on the given ability.
 
Yes, but it should not be ignored that the church has these abilities, clearly, if your church had Gang-Stalkers and or a willful sinner, you would work with anyone you divide the labor with to deal with these people, as is deal with those who do sin, and seek repentance, and reinstatement.

Speaking about Excommunication and Expelling, instances of this took place with recent events, even outside of the religious and faith community.
That being said, the only people who do not consider Excommunication of those who purposely ignored some passages in Matthew and or is an Anti-Pauline, sadly, these people exist, often times, they either, bend the knee to immoral and brazen conduct into their sermons (like in the examples given last comment) and or allow their community to be molded by said conduct and normalize it. It is among the biggest problems with mainstream churches today.
 

@AudreyAnnaNana You've posted the video that alludes to Germany shooting itself in response to @EsADmf, I believe this is @Moise Racette. The uploader of the video is no different from what Pearl Stan such as Witness, has done using Marcus Vaughn as a sword, the same Marcus who lost to a strict Christian concerning Excommunication just days ago in a conversation.
That being said, it is not a surprise if someone calls for an investigation, this is what being on a warpath results in, this was indeed called out many times. Apostates often times have done things to people other than JWs to get them to remain in the background, even in some instances, use death threats (in order to get them off a platform), for some events that took place, even breaking into and disrupting a church service, time and time again, the biggest one was siding with the Kremlin for a ban. They even go after Excommunicated EXJWs who, recognize why they were Expelled reasons being because they do not follow what the Apostates were saying, i.e. Marcus' debate with a devoted Christian and an ExJW who is sick of dealing with some people in the Apostate community, this isn't the first time, nor is it the last time, these confrontations took place.
All this evidently built up causing people into making this stance. With the shooting, Apostates are saying this was due to Excommunication, however, the person in question disassociated himself with JWs, this was also concern by people who had connections to that JW church and or has known anyone there, even those who suffered. In addition to that, there was a concern about this person because of the letter sent about him which if taken seriously would have prevented the shooting.
Therefore, the shunning and or excommunication would have little to do with this, and people who weaponize the situation will only create more problems, with this shooting and the recent one in Nashville, which, regarding that one, any JW, even the ones here should be concerned about because there will be things heading their way due to the people who Apostates have rallied to not only go against JWs, but anything related to Bible truth itself.
Also, it should be noted it isn't a good idea to use this person, Goatlike Personality, as an example. 2017 isn't forgotten. Mainly if in the video, he is bias.
His issue was with this article, which has and will always be taken out of context because of people who are seeing the nature of some Apostates in opposition to the faith community - https://bitterwinter.org/apostates-3-disaffiliation-captivity-narratives/
The notion is that, Apostates are ex-members of religions or religious movements who become sworn enemies of the faith they have left. They have existed for centuries.
Which seems to be the argument of the article's author vs. someone who profits off of JW content.
That being said, it is impossible to make a devoted Christian, Anti-Pauline, especially if the Bible is taken seriously in terms of principles and practice.

Or that lol. But then you will be putting yourself in an extreme catabolic state.
 

Might want to keep an eye on any affiliates, like Walmart. The worse thing that can happen down the road is a government controlled currency, which will be problematic. The sheeple will take in the new, and adopted it unfortunately. As always, be vigilant, enduring, and watchful of oneself and others, do not give in to an agenda.
 

The more people they bring into the proxy war, results in more consequence. Even when you remove yourself from that and all the politics, the actions of these people, and the supporters, will drag people into this indirectly, so people really need to be vigilant. This also, in some cases, results in a distraction, of various things taking place around the world, including various and yet suspicious events in United States. Such as an explosion at Back River Waste Water Treatment In Maryland, other recent events like the Train Derailment In West Virginia resulting in injures Several People, with a oil spill into the river, and the fires at food facilities, such as the Grand Food Concourse In The Bronx, this is, yet one of several food connected places gone up in flames. Not to mention how depleted the USA is becoming, even more with the bank runs and the collapse, which a lot of us saw coming. All this, with looming nuclear threat because of egotistical politicians and leaders who have end goal agendas in mind.
That being said, people need to be vigilant, enduring, and paying attention, to be ready, they need to be aware, so much as they do not succumb to the normal folk who allow themselves to be taken away by such events.
Continue to look out for those who listen, even your family and friends, if not for yourself, for them.

Tragic. Germany though has been hit with a lot of issue similar to this in recent years, both by jihadists and far-right extremists. Other than that, best believe your opposition will spin the narrative as they did with other shooting situations, while at the same time, rational people are getting fed up with them, and attacking back claims.
That being said, the shooter in question was a former JW (wasn't a JW for 18 months and had left the faith community), some of his publications, noted by sources, were found online, such as The Truth About God, Jesus Christ And Satan. A New Reflected View Of Epochal Dimensions, these books were also mentioned by your opposition, even by some of Pearl's people, granted they use anything and everything to counter whatever publications you have.
Not only this situation effects the Jehovah's Witnesses faith community, but it also effects anyone who use firearms responsibly, as well as those who believe an unborn child to be a living soul, since we already know how some groups few a child in the womb. Africans and Ukrainians will also be angry too, hence the victims.
As with the other situations, similar to a degree, I wouldn't be surprise if influence was involved, granted, most cases like this seem to stem form that, no matter how anyone tries to deny it, ironic too because I mention this many times before.
 
Like I said, times will be more tough and serious, therefore, it would be suggested to make some applications because nowadays, there are, and will be people out to get you, even being pushed by others to do so.

True, and now the JW's opposition is having a field day with this one. Their narratives will be pushed as a truth unfortunately when they have no information concerning that particular JW church or it's people besides the person who committed the crime.

Yep, that is him. Apparently, he was angry at his former employer too. The police had went to his home in February when they got tipped with a letter from an unknown person, but didn't do or suspect anything because he was cooperative. This is an example of anyone, be it teacher, elder, pastor, even those in law, such as a police officer, can't see if the person is a threat or not because often times, people can easily put up a show, whether they manipulate someone or not in order to do something bad.
 
That letter should have prompted them to keep a watch on this person.

Yep, that is him. Apparently, he was angry at his former employer too. The police had went to his home in February when they got tipped with a letter from an unknown person, but didn't do or suspect anything because he was cooperative. This is an example of anyone, be it teacher, elder, pastor, even those in law, such as a police officer, can't see if the person is a threat or not because often times, people can easily put up a show, whether they manipulate someone or not in order to do something bad.
 
That letter should have prompted them to keep a watch on this person.