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There seems to be myth being addressed in this discussion hence the erroneous and void conclusions.
Fact: Rape by definition takes place when force or the threat of force is used to gain sexual penetration, of any kind whatsoever, against a person's will. It is the rapist's use of force against an unwilling victim that makes him a rapist. Thus, a rape victim is not guilty of fornication. Like an incest victim, they may be forced to submit to an act they doesn't want because of the perceived power held over them by another person. In some cases this coercion could be very subtle, but nevertheless, coercion it is. When a person is forced to submit to a rapist out of terror or disorientation, it does not mean that they consent to the act. Consent is based on choice without threat and is active, not passive. 

Really? The last time you were refuted on logic, you threw a fit regarding, on 2 occasions called me a patriot and confused yourself on what judging others is all about... You were better of in within the infancy of our original discussion, willfulness to do the right thing, and open to suggestion to actually help people instead of being a KBW.
There are many churches with denominations out there but there is but a few that follow things according to what Jesus' church entails, the very church that he himself has built and those he positioned by means of instruction, to which passes on to us, to us to later persons until the Christ returns.
The person needs to be in and put application of what Jesus instructed. True Christians are but a few in small number in the face of mainstream Christendom, some of them are lone ones, pockets, even small groups who are joined as one in union with the Christ in regards to his church and serving his God.
My only issue is slander - and for good reason, even culturally (something that someone evaded when I posed a question regarding a specific letter in the alphabet), I uphold my position to speak of slander and those who slander by means of kicking a man when he is down. For us, slander is like someone committing murder, coupled with the fact I am a Truther, when someone speaks slander and profess it as a truth, they will be refuted. As for the second bit, God's Word is spoken through the one who was once a man, Jesus, and now has ascended. True Christians take what is instructed seriously and we do not shy away from the very Covenant we are under. We need to, no, we must observe and apply what Jesus has taught and pass on this knowledge and to teach others, even getting on their level if need be. When met with doctrines that is alien to the church of the Christ and or slander, we have to give a bold statement. Although there are ignorant persons who are unaware, we must teach them too but despite this we mustn't lie or slander even their own upbringing, hence the lessons learned in John 4 is to be taken seriously.
Plus, being a truther, it allows us to take research in such matters very seriously. At times we tend to jump to conclusions, however, the end result is the same concerning issues in today's society, what is going on in the US, even overseas and the like.
That person must seek guidance by means of Jesus' church. Group or not (granted I have given evidence to that even video evidence of such, as well as persons I support, Soulja of God, Anthony, Kel, Lauren, Prophet K, Hashim, Warrior of the Christ,  Jason A, Pool, Barone, etc.), for I recall giving you said lecture in regards to this before.
A True Christian is either a lone person or part of a group, granted when Jesus church was founded there were examples, of those in the church of the Christ. The problem lies when there are those who go about their own interpretation that doesn't line up with anything that Jesus taught let alone what his sacrifice even means. Examples would be, people fighting over the Tetragrammaton, people fighting over homosexuality thinking Jesus is okay with it or as Srecko agreement with God being okay with a person physically changing their sex organs.
Christians are in union with the Christ. Such ones are usually solo or in a group, be it in a church of their own, their house/home, a field for meetup, etc. The church, she is support by her people, and the people adhere to her teachings, in this sense, the teachings of the Christ itself, unedited, unfiltered despite the fact even some of what was entrusted seems to offend people as well as those who take up and exploit what it means to forgive.
You either do things right in the light or remain to what you adhere to in the dark, for in darkness, the Son of God cannot see you. In the end, both sides in the light and the dark are imperfect.
It would be nice even though I made it clear several times before, several times and some of which had been answered, especially in our first interaction and our first discussion that resulted in a bite sized debate -  the only time you were open to reason and displayed sympathy and mildness, minus the fact that a so called chosen one committed slander by promoting something I am strongly against. More so, I repeated several points time and time again, and ironically you somehow missed that. Although such is said to you now, it has already been displayed that even though you were told you'll ask again, for as the saying goes, it goes into one ear and out the other, or as we say it, Lecture un homme quelque chose de bien, il va l'ignorer. sermonner un homme sur une verite, il ne la notera pas et continuera a demander comme celle d'un enfant.

This is indeed true concerning you because you skip straight to judge or await someone to rescue you out of a situation and or discussion like that of a damsel in distress. Before you spoke about Spiritual Wisdom and since then you've yet to put in the application.
That being said, should I direct several questions to you, dare I ask and such I will evidently take,  that even Bible wise intertwined with today's world, it will strongly offend and or cause frustration in you, which allows 1 John 4:1 to be used in application in this regard, but evidently, they will be directed and asked of you.
Granted that some points were addressed before, hopefully this time you understand. Granted where you are now, never go to Hyde Park with that type of understanding you will be swiftly refuted from the north, from the south, from both the east and from the west.
In this regard, outside of this, I suggest you take your own advice regarding spiritual wisdom.
 

The answer would be yes. Children can succumb to ill sexual desires and or fornication. Fornication is the act of sexual intercourse between people not married to each other. It is far worse today because this is the norm whereas fornication is tweaked to the extreme whereas male to male and or female to female immorality is done and or having multiple sexual partners at once, more so, children are being taught about sodomy and it is being pushed on to them and this has been going on for some time now.
So those who have the wisdom must teach said wisdom to the and or their children, although not many adults like speaking of this subject, but talking to your children about sex is also vital, otherwise they will all into the branches of sexual immorality fairly easily.
In my experience, I am blessed to hear stories and experiences from children on how they have combated the issue and how they are helping other youth, praise Yah.

I have heard it said that soon pedophilia will be classed as just another sexual orientation and that pedophiles will feel discriminated against and will insist on their "rights".
Just to lighten things up a bit, are you the "man on the rocks" ?  😄: Cool song actually
 

@BillyTheKid46 Another thing to point out is that people who believe humans transcend into spirits upon death, to heaven and or hell negate and usher out what Jesus' sacrifice was all about. In a short sense, they contradict themselves, literally throwing Jesus under the bus. Second, the hellfire doctrine paints our father, God, in a bad light, painting a picture that he is actually partnered with Satan when he is not. They missed the book of Jeremiah when God reacted to the burning of sons and daughters in the fire, as it pains God to see the practice he drove out the land, people get their giggles and gullies out of it as did those of olden times who burnt people at the stake.
It is stuff like this that prompts those who know God by means of Scripture to speak up and speak out against slander.

The answer is yes.
As stated before, Christians are prophets.
Proclaiming the message of God's Kingdom, the Great Commission, the New Covenant, spreading the truth of what the Bible teaches, passing on said wisdom of the Scriptures to the young so they to their children. Such things are to be taken seriously for the teachings has been commanded in regards to spreading it. As Christians we should not fail what Jesus commanded, we should push to spread the gospel until the Most High sends Jesus a second time to right the wrongs of the viral taint spread out by the one who conquers this world.
You have a choice, you either get on this Ark, or remain there out in the open. God has given us free will and as Christians we use our time and resources to serve and religiously worship him for he was the one who sent his son, Jesus, whom he made Christ, to provide amnesty by means of giving his life for us.
 
That being said, you can joke around here with us, for we are but flesh, bone and water, but best be knownest to you, Srecko, you cannot joke with God. For there is both life and death before you - and I hope you pick wisely, for the choice of these two isn't the same as picking what chips you want from a vendor machine.

@JOHN BUTLER And yet months ago we see were you align yourself, remember Mr. Gardener, he is among many who professed that JWs claim the world would end in 1975, and has not only garnered a community, but profits and the like from such ones who follow him. His community is a mix of ExJWs, ExMuslims, Atheists, and a list of others, as is with like-minded focus target Christians. Ironically enough, some among them are the same ones that would defend Christians who claim inspiration, vocally and verbally, but yet when they make their error they only get a pat on the back.

Yes, it has been debunked, and I had given evidence to such by means of said sources in which you were refuted on before as with others. Nothing here is a claim of them stating the world will end at 1975, therefore, such remains unfounded.

@BillyTheKid46 Another thing to point out is that people who believe humans transcend into spirits upon death, to heaven and or hell negate and usher out what Jesus' sacrifice was all about. In a short sense, they contradict themselves, literally throwing Jesus under the bus. Second, the hellfire doctrine paints our father, God, in a bad light, painting a picture that he is actually partnered with Satan when he is not. They missed the book of Jeremiah when God reacted to the burning of sons and daughters in the fire, as it pains God to see the practice he drove out the land, people get their giggles and gullies out of it as did those of olden times who burnt people at the stake.
It is stuff like this that prompts those who know God by means of Scripture to speak up and speak out against slander.

Yes, I am not. However when someone speaks ill or slander them, although not a Muslim, I will correct people on their views. Namely the whole situation with children in the battlefield, and the Prophet, Uhud. When people slander, to some we see it as a taint. People need to speak up in order to correct others, although at times, the one who is the truther in this sense may make error on his or her words and or suddenly go blank.
When it comes to what a cult actually is, we have to know what is actually a cult and what is not. Now for your faith community, people deem you as a cult due to, the core faith, of the only God being the Father, whereas others would brand you because you do not believe Jesus is God. And it is put the surface from there. This is why the lot of us raise up to slander, especially in the face of what a lot of us have a disdain for, the very doctrine that has ruined what Jesus' church was all about.
It is one thing for someone to be unaware and ignorant, but willfulness and all knowing of it? Such one will be burned and rinsed in refutation.

I'd like to add that another thing we must talk to our children about is suicide, as well as mental illness. To be brief, either of these isn't an easy subject to talk about, especially regarding the age of said child, and where they are in terms of wisdom and understanding. I say this because someone of blood nearly took her life several weeks ago due to some dark and wick things from the islands coupled with brutality manifested here in the states nearly led to the teenager's death. She is doing better now, but my reason for bringing this up is because some else whom I have had an somewhat brief encounter with succumb to suicide. Although he was an adult, but it still stings, and in my case, it brings up a friend of mine who took her life due to influence from pornography and the adult industry who took her. Regarding of who had succumb to his inner demons, mental illness and the temptation of being in and seeking the spotlight is a bad combination. Despite such things, it bolsters my faith in Yahweh and his only beget whom he made the Christ, Jesus. Because by means of God through Jesus, there will be a resurrection.

@Srecko Sostar 

lol "Biblical Unitarian"... Know the difference. Now you are pulling the same tricks that Butler pulled when he assumed all Unitarians are aligned with the interfaith, I suggest you try again.
And by the by: That was the same link Butler used, now I ask you, why on God's earth would support the interfaith when time and time I spoke against it? and Second, I believe that Jesus PRE-EXISTED. 
Your source, as I had told Butler who used that same source, is utterly stupid.

The last time I was very specific in this regard, you deleted a thread or two with evidence to claim. Need I bring such up again with your quotes will only sully the tracks of which you wiped clean from the digital pavement.
That being said, if you do not know what a cult is, I suggest looking into it starting with elementary sources.
 
So far, not but one is ever clear on this matter.

I'd like to add that another thing we must talk to our children about is suicide, as well as mental illness. To be brief, either of these isn't an easy subject to talk about, especially regarding the age of said child, and where they are in terms of wisdom and understanding. I say this because someone of blood nearly took her life several weeks ago due to some dark and wick things from the islands coupled with brutality manifested here in the states nearly led to the teenager's death. She is doing better now, but my reason for bringing this up is because some else whom I have had an somewhat brief encounter with succumb to suicide. Although he was an adult, but it still stings, and in my case, it brings up a friend of mine who took her life due to influence from pornography and the adult industry who took her. Regarding of who had succumb to his inner demons, mental illness and the temptation of being in and seeking the spotlight is a bad combination. Despite such things, it bolsters my faith in Yahweh and his only beget whom he made the Christ, Jesus. Because by means of God through Jesus, there will be a resurrection.

I Corinthians 8:6 - ‘One God the Father . . .’
‘But to us there is but one God, the Father . . . and one Lord Jesus Christ . . .’
Watchtower teaching: JWs argue that, since there is ‘one God’ (Jehovah) who is distinct from ‘one Lord’ (Jesus Christ), then Jesus cannot be God.
Biblical reasoning: If this WT reasoning is correct, then the same logic leads us to conclude
that the Father is not Lord.
Note: If the reference to the Father being the ‘one God’ proves that Jesus is not God, then by the same logic we must conclude that the reference to Jesus Christ as the ‘one Lord’ means that the Father is not Lord. 
No JW will concede that the Father is not Lord.
You cannot interpret the first part of the verse one way, and the second part of the verse another way. The faulty logic of JWs here is their assumption that the use of a title for one person (the Father) in one context, automatically rules out its application to another person (Jesus Christ) in another context. JWs should consult what all Scripture says about the Father and about Jesus Christ.
1. The Father is called Lord in Matthew 11:25: ‘I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth’.
2. Jesus Christ is called God in John 20:28: ‘My Lord and my God’, and in Hebrews 1:8: ‘Unto the Son he saith: Thy throne O God . . .’ etc.
Hence ‘God’ and ‘Lord’ are used interchangeably of the Father and the Son.
Question: ‘Can you see that, since Jesus as one Lord does not mean that the Father is not Lord,
then by the same logic, the Father as ‘one God’ does not mean that Jesus is not God?’

@JW Insider Some people tend not to take minor and or medium threats seriously unless it concerns them, major things have a lasting effect on some until it happens again. As is with all, the good people and the bad people, all events are unexpected, Ecc. 9:11. A safety is but only a placebo, for even in your own home one isn't safe.

And yet this word of mouth claim of yours was dealt with the last time we spoke of demographics (twice), and if I recall, you unleash the circus and the mental gymnastics on said notion, an act that can easily be done away with a 3rd time if need be.
Elementary stuff, Butler. Also, remember - Jesus was very very knowledge of the Scriptures as a child. In fact, all Jews take up and obverse God's Law very early. It is unknown if you were ignorant and or unaware of this, I advise you look into Shema Yisrael and all things that hang for it. Jesus speaks such for a reason.
As is with Jesus, and all before and after him. It did not stop young ones from observing God's Law and reading the Scriptures. Again, if you actually read your bible and took up spiritual wisdom, you'd realize how the Jews operated, including Jesus, but you negate everything when you sibtract what took place before his ministry.
Forced, I ask you before to give evidence of this, twice, but this word of mouth falls short. That is like the saying by some who say Christians force children to read the Bible, when in reality it is encouraged to do so.
But as was exposed on your account, your folly in the realm of statistics is as great as the light from the sun for discerning ones to see it and give a rebuttal.
So where is the evidence in this regard to which was asked but never shown?
Remember, Jesus was a very young boy and it was wise in the Law of God, probably beyond both his human parents. He knew very well who his God and Father is and the context of his words found in Luke 2 passage shows, in fact, what one can see by reading and taking in the context and references of Luke 2:41-52 entirely.
A Christian parent are to encourage their children to seek the Scriptures and the truth and teachings that it brings, hence why it is said that we must pass on wisdom to the young ones, to teach them, despite being under their parents, the child has his or her choice to take up what is said, whereas the parent, who is of authority can encourage. 
Even outside of the realm of faith, this also comes in form in terms of education in and outside of the home, for it is no different concerning a child and the Scriptures.
That being said, with the you said here after this response of yours, I suggest you better read, understand, and mediate on the Bible, let alone study and teach yourself because the lack is clearly seen, hence your attempted exegesis expressed here.
Aside from that overwhelming fact in terms of demographics/adherents is factual over your lunacy, so much as so, even Rook is alluding to the research website that is accurate in terms of the faith group, as is with other faith groups. They would not sully their reputation for your unproven word of mouth info when nearly everyone is knowing of such facts, even the Christian Today folk.

The Pews Research Website is and will always be a good source. But it is a pale of hot coals for those who can't take the statistics that solidifies truth.

As long as you have an income to support yourself and family, you are good. You'd be surprise that some folk out there would break every bone in their body willfully just to flaunt cash around. And there is a lot of people like this.
Life itself is more valuable than money. You can lose money at any time and get something, big or small back anytime, but for life, once it is loss, it cannot be received again until God's Will is realized, until then, that no 1-UP mushrooms for any of us.

And yet this word of mouth claim of yours was dealt with the last time we spoke of demographics (twice), and if I recall, you unleash the circus and the mental gymnastics on said notion, an act that can easily be done away with a 3rd time if need be.
Elementary stuff, Butler. Also, remember - Jesus was very very knowledge of the Scriptures as a child. In fact, all Jews take up and obverse God's Law very early. It is unknown if you were ignorant and or unaware of this, I advise you look into Shema Yisrael and all things that hang for it. Jesus speaks such for a reason.
As is with Jesus, and all before and after him. It did not stop young ones from observing God's Law and reading the Scriptures. Again, if you actually read your bible and took up spiritual wisdom, you'd realize how the Jews operated, including Jesus, but you negate everything when you sibtract what took place before his ministry.
Forced, I ask you before to give evidence of this, twice, but this word of mouth falls short. That is like the saying by some who say Christians force children to read the Bible, when in reality it is encouraged to do so.
But as was exposed on your account, your folly in the realm of statistics is as great as the light from the sun for discerning ones to see it and give a rebuttal.
So where is the evidence in this regard to which was asked but never shown?
Remember, Jesus was a very young boy and it was wise in the Law of God, probably beyond both his human parents. He knew very well who his God and Father is and the context of his words found in Luke 2 passage shows, in fact, what one can see by reading and taking in the context and references of Luke 2:41-52 entirely.
A Christian parent are to encourage their children to seek the Scriptures and the truth and teachings that it brings, hence why it is said that we must pass on wisdom to the young ones, to teach them, despite being under their parents, the child has his or her choice to take up what is said, whereas the parent, who is of authority can encourage. 
Even outside of the realm of faith, this also comes in form in terms of education in and outside of the home, for it is no different concerning a child and the Scriptures.
That being said, with the you said here after this response of yours, I suggest you better read, understand, and mediate on the Bible, let alone study and teach yourself because the lack is clearly seen, hence your attempted exegesis expressed here.
Aside from that overwhelming fact in terms of demographics/adherents is factual over your lunacy, so much as so, even Rook is alluding to the research website that is accurate in terms of the faith group, as is with other faith groups. They would not sully their reputation for your unproven word of mouth info when nearly everyone is knowing of such facts, even the Christian Today folk.

@Srecko Sostar You were and or someone was debated on this before. Christians in general are Prophets not Inspired, and they're spirit led.
So any Christian, in this sense, is a prophet, a proclaimed of God's Word, a preacher and minister of the good news gospel and the Messianic Age.

There has been a lot of talk about God and the Bible lately as well. In a sense, by what is common. And those who are in opposition, have thrown morals out the window.
 
Butler, you are pulling old information, as I had address before, the demographics of adherents in this regard of the faith group have been increasing, especially an increase talk about God and the Bible. They will be hitting the 9mil mark soon.

There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE when it comes to the notion of Scripture. But the difference is very very little like a speck of dust to the modern English speaking man and or other.
What?
They didn't have anything fancy, that is for sure, unless you are the type to be a bit extra, like the leader of the Jews in that time and or rulers, lords, etc.
Well that is the things of today in your regard. The time of the Christ and people of that age, things were different.

I cannot stand this woman. She is somewhat insane in several instances.
If only you knew.....
 

@Jack Ryan tsk... tsk... tsk... If that was suppose to be a joke (a silly one at that), you've lost both my attention and care... Tet ou gate.