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  1. On 4/21/2020 at 4:15 AM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

    The only thing I consider when reading "..this generation will not pass away until all these things occur" ... is what did the Apostles understand it meant when Jesus said it to them?

    Whilst this an excellent contextual question, the apostles' understanding of what Jesus said is hardly a sole criteria for understanding what Jesus said, John 14:9.

  2. 22 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

    a massive influx near the end, not empty K H's. 

    Not of K Halls. Of people who love respond to the good news. Eventually. they will no longer come you know.... 

    22 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

    So where is this love that should abound in the 'truth' ?  

    We have brothers who live 2 minutes from the KH and cannot get there. No one misses out where I come from. They can hear and watch on line and association is laid on for them. Brothers provide transport, not congregations. The important thing is for love to abound in your heart, and to be evident in deed and truth. You will not notice the lack in others if that is the case.What has happened to you?

  3. 9 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

    If you do commit suicide, make sure you have 2 witnesses, then maybe you'll be resurrected.

    Or maybe.....not

    3 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

    if there was very 'new light' from the Governing Body on this subject. 

    Not really, although the old light is a lot newer than the very old light that you quoted..................

  4. 2 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

    why do those in charge decide to close Kingdom Halls,

    Wasted resource. Mostly empty. etc,etc,etc. .Fill 'em, share 'em, or shut 'em.....what's the problem? These are not churches.

    2 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

    why does the Org forbid the idea of having minibuses in congregations

    Anyone can have a minibus?  Where on earth do you live??

    2 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

    making people travel further to meetings does not encourage the new ones to go to meetings. 

    True Christians travel as far as it takes to get to meetings...and help others to get there too. Where on earth do you live??

  5. On 11/9/2019 at 8:39 AM, Tom Henry said:

    what does Acts 6:3 have to do with antiquated technology

    Or technology per se?

    The scripture spoke of a time when men who were delegated to care for mundane tasks required spiritual and secular qualifications in view of the context of their work. This required appropriate selection.

    Similarly today, secular background is required to implement technical solutions for spiritual tasks effectively. The acquisition of secular skills is sometimes erroneously viewed as antithetical to spiritual endeavour. Therefore an important and enlightened balance needs to be achieved and maintained to avoid waste. This of course will have to incorporate the principles of Ex.35:30-35.

    Quite a challenge, but apparently met is my observation.

  6. 10 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

    don't commit suicide or you will not get a resurrection". 

    This viewpoint is personal and not only unreasonable, but unscriptural.  In fact, it is also out of line with Jehovah's Witnesses thinking by at least 29 years. As Melinda above said, do your own research in the theocratic literature, and avoid some of the clumsy blundering presented by cleverdicks more interested in their own opinions

    *** g90 9/8 p. 23 Suicides—A Resurrection? ***
    Stunned friends of a suicide victim may thus take comfort in knowing that “Jehovah has shown mercy to those fearing him. For he himself well knows the formation of us, remembering that we are dust.” (Psalm 103:10-14) Only God can fully understand the role of mental sickness, extreme stress, even genetic defects, in a “suicidal crisis,” which, the National Observer noted, “is not a lifetime characteristic [but] often a matter only of minutes or of hours.”—See Ecclesiastes 7:7.
    Granted, one who takes his own life deprives himself of the opportunity to repent of his self-murder. But who can say whether one driven to suicide might have had a change of heart had his fatal attempt failed? Some notorious murderers have, in fact, changed and earned God’s forgiveness during their lifetime.—2 Kings 21:16; 2 Chronicles 33:12, 13.
    Thus, Jehovah, having paid “a ransom in exchange for many,” is within his right to extend mercy, even to some self-murderers, by resurrecting them and giving them the precious opportunity to “repent and turn to God by doing works that befit repentance.”—Matthew 20:28; Acts 26:20.
     

    *** g00 2/22 pp. 6-7 Given a Desire to Live ***
    Yet, never forget that Jehovah God raises up the dead and that this might well include our loved ones who because of depression, mental illness, or despair took their own lives.—See “The Bible’s Viewpoint: Suicides—A Resurrection?” in Awake! of September 8, 1990, pages 22-3.
    While suicide cannot be justified, it is comforting to remember that the future prospects of our loved ones rest with a God who fully understands that weaknesses and frailties could push one to such desperate action. The Bible says of Jehovah: “As the heavens are higher than the earth, his loving-kindness is superior toward those fearing him. As far off as the sunrise is from the sunset, so far off from us he has put our transgressions. As a father shows mercy to his sons, Jehovah has shown mercy to those fearing him. For he himself well knows the formation of us, remembering that we are dust.”—Psalm 103:11-14.
     

  7. 3 hours ago, Arauna said:

    It is also the last skill to die off in Alzheimers

    Too general a statement and not necessarily true. A personal friend of mine who was a highly talented musician developed Alzheimers. He soon became unable remember any words to songs, then to differentiate chords and how to play instruments. This was soon followed by an aversion to music altogether, although he will communicate in song. There is a difference between skill and talent.

    11 hours ago, JW Insider said:

    a flailing Computer/IT department

    Allan Boyle showed me round the IT workshop when I visited Brooklyn in 1980. I have to admit it was rather like visiting a computer graveyard with electronic carcasses all over the place.

    It must be quite a challenge to apply Acts 6:3 in a modern, technical setting. But, somebody appears to have got something right.

  8. The original post states that "JW.org Says "Apostates are Mentally Diseased." Whilst true, what is ommitted is that JW.org  is reflecting the Bible's view.

    Apart from what has already been quoted, Peter makes reference to that early apostate Balaam who sought to attack God's people. He says that when Balaam was hindered in his attempt to stumble worshippers of Jehovah by a "voiceless beast of burden", the effect was to hinder "the prophet's mad course" 2Pet.2:16. In using the Greek word "paraphronia" Peter indicates that Balaam was engaged in an act of madness or insanity and manifesting a symptom of mental disorder. A related word, "anoia" is used to describe the "sensless rage" of the Pharisees at Jesus' supposed violation of their Sabbath Laws (Luke 16:11), and also by Paul when actually describing the activity of those other ancient opposers of Jehovah's people, Jannes and Jambres. He spoke of them being completely "corrupted in mind" and that this corruption was plainly evident in the "folly" (anoia) of their action against Moses. (2Tim.3:9).

    By the same token, modern day apostates exhibit they are "corrupted in mind", clearly exhibiting "folly" along with "senseless rage" and manifestly engaged in a "mad course". 

    There is a PC language argument these days for avoiding the use of the word "disease" in connection with mental disorder, even the term "mental illness" is being questioned. This is due to the innapropriate reactions of  people to such terms. Over time, terms may gather an emotive potential which may provoke an inappropriate response in many. This reactive tendency is exploited by propagandists of which Christian apostates are a sub-division.   

    However, no amount of feel-good euphemism can disguise the fact that Christian apostasy is abhorrent, contagious, and death dealing, whatever metaphor is used to describe it. Given the facts, it is also a mainfestation of insanity or madness. Many translators seem to agree:

    2Pet.2:16:
    New International Version
    But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey--an animal without speech--who spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet's madness.

    New Living Translation
    But Balaam was stopped from his mad course when his donkey rebuked him with a human voice.

    English Standard Version
    but was rebuked for his own transgression; a speechless donkey spoke with human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness.

    Berean Study Bible
    But he was rebuked for his transgression by a donkey, otherwise without speech, that spoke with a man’s voice and restrained the prophet’s madness.

    Berean Literal Bible
    But he had reproof for his own transgression by a mute donkey; having spoken in a man's voice, it restrained the madness of the prophet.

    New American Standard Bible
    but he received a rebuke for his own transgression, for a mute donkey, speaking with a voice of a man, restrained the madness of the prophet.

    New King James Version
    but he was rebuked for his iniquity: a dumb donkey speaking with a man’s voice restrained the madness of the prophet.

    King James Bible
    But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.

    Christian Standard Bible
    but received a rebuke for his lawlessness: A speechless donkey spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet's madness.

    Contemporary English Version
    But a donkey corrected him for this evil deed. It spoke to him with a human voice and made him stop his foolishness.

    Good News Translation
    and was rebuked for his sin. His donkey spoke with a human voice and stopped the prophet's insane action.

    Holman Christian Standard Bible
    but received a rebuke for his transgression: A donkey that could not talk spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet's irrationality.

    International Standard Version
    But he was rebuked for his offense. A donkey that normally cannot talk spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet's insanity.

    NET Bible
    yet was rebuked for his own transgression (a dumb donkey, speaking with a human voice, restrained the prophet's madness).

    New Heart English Bible
    but he was rebuked for his own disobedience. A mute donkey spoke with a man's voice and stopped the madness of the prophet.

    Aramaic Bible in Plain English
    But the reproof of his violation was a dumb donkey which spoke with the voice of men, restraining the madness of the Prophet.

    GOD'S WORD® Translation
    But he was convicted for his evil. A donkey, which normally can't talk, spoke with a human voice and wouldn't allow the prophet to continue his insanity.

    New American Standard 1977
    but he received a rebuke for his own transgression; for a dumb donkey, speaking with a voice of a man, restrained the madness of the prophet.

    Jubilee Bible 2000
    and was rebuked for his iniquity; a dumb animal accustomed to a yoke (upon which he was seated), speaking with man's voice, hindered the madness of the prophet.

    King James 2000 Bible
    But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb donkey speaking with man's voice restrained the madness of the prophet.

    American King James Version
    But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbade the madness of the prophet.

    American Standard Version
    but he was rebuked for his own transgression: a dumb ass spake with man's voice and stayed the madness of the prophet.

    Douay-Rheims Bible
    But had a check of his madness, the dumb beast used to the yoke, which speaking with man's voice, forbade the folly of the prophet.

    Darby Bible Translation
    but had reproof of his own wickedness -- [the] dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the folly of the prophet.

    English Revised Version
    but he was rebuked for his own transgression: a dumb ass spake with man's voice and stayed the madness of the prophet.

    Webster's Bible Translation
    But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice, forbad the madness of the prophet.

    Weymouth New Testament
    But he was rebuked for his transgression: a dumb ass spoke with a human voice and checked the madness of the Prophet.

    World English Bible
    but he was rebuked for his own disobedience. A mute donkey spoke with a man's voice and stopped the madness of the prophet.

    Young's Literal Translation
    and had a rebuke of his own iniquity -- a dumb ass, in man's voice having spoken, did forbid the madness of the prophet.

  9. My question would be then:

    Can we count our time spent in trying to get Siri, and Alexa,  for that matter,  and any other voice assistant out there, to give correct answers to Bible Questions? (I know only 1 peson can count the Return Visit and Bible Study).

    P.S. I discontinued the study with my Tom Tom! It was just unproductive. It is not spiritually minded. But I am getting somewhere with my telephone anwering machine!

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