How Should We View This

[Mozzie]

I have been wondering about all the bad new we have been hearing about the Governing Body in regards to Child Abuse and sexual assault and the claim hat they have been covering this all up. Now we read about the Brothers going into Mexico destroying a ancient temple read this link

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Jehovahs-Witnesses-Destroy-Ancient-Indigenous-Temple-in-Mexico-20160628-0009.html

Then to top that off, we have this about the governing body refusing to hand over documents and getting fines, link below

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/jun/24/ticker-judge-sanctions-jehovahs-witnesses/

I am very concerned about this, i know that Satan is attacking the brothers all the time, but if this is all true then i wonder of Jehovah's spirit is still with most of them, we know that Jehovah will not allow this to happen within the anointed, so if this is the case , then what judgement will happen and will it effect all those who are putting hope in these supposed Faithful ones.

It is one thing to except we are all imperfect, but this is getting serious, i am not Baptized yet, but this is sort of stumbling me a little

[HollyW]

The WTS leaves much to be desired in its handling of child abuse, but the story about vandalism of ancient temples by JWs is hardly believable.  Are you sure it's true?

However, before becoming a member of this church it would be wise to examine it's history, even as it says itself:  We need to examine, not only what we personally believe, but also what is taught by any religious organization with which we may be associated. Are its teachings in full harmony with God’s Word, or are they based on the traditions of men? If we are lovers of the truth, there is nothing to fear from such an examination. 

[lentaylor71]

We are all imperfect that also includes the governing body util Jesus himself serender all things back to Jehovah's hand.Jehovah,Jehovah,a God merciful  and compassionate in love and abundant in loyal love and truth 7 showing loyal love to thousands,  pardoning  error and transgression and sin, but he will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons and upon sons and upon grandsons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation. Ex.34.6,7.also look at Jer.30.11 and 46.27,28.

[Shiwiii]

15 hours ago, lentaylor71 said:

We are all imperfect that also includes the governing body util 

then why do they expect you to obey THEM perfectly? 

[lentaylor71]

We also reminded of our personal choice during our baptism and Jehovah knows those who belongs to him. Number 16.5, 2Tim,2.19.

[JWTheologian]

Just like in anything, sensationalized by the media. Were these people actual JW’s? Some stipulate they were recent converted group of Witnesses that became overzealous and acted independently of The Watchtower Christian Teachings. However, even an uneducated witness wouldn’t care one way or the other to ancient Pagan shrines.

The only good answer would be, a group of Catholic sympathizers pretending to be Jehovah’s Witnesses orchestrated that defilement to tarnish the Watchtower in order to STOP an unprecedented convert from Catholic to Witnesses. Jehovah’s Witnesses are fully aware the attack the POPE has imposed on the Watchtower, and has committed its Bishops to stop the converts at all cost.

So if you’re going to read things about the Watchtower only to complain, and criticize it? Then review and read the fine print of other religions that Satan is using to attack the Watchtower. For the Watchtower, there is nothing new with religious attacks other than since the 80’s with the introduction of the internet. Scrupulous people tend to exaggerate a problem such as child abuse, that ALL religions are guilty of.

People seem to view a bad apple as a bad barrel. Sensationalist journalist will always over play facts. Remember, LATIN AMERICA is famous for that.

[Shiwiii]

34 minutes ago, JWTheologian said:

Just like in anything, sensationalized by the media. Were these people actual JW’s? Some stipulate they were recent converted group of Witnesses that became overzealous and acted independently of The Watchtower Christian Teachings. However, even an uneducated witness wouldn’t care one way or the other to ancient Pagan shrines.

 

The only good answer would be, a group of Catholic sympathizers pretending to be Jehovah’s Witnesses orchestrated that defilement to tarnish the Watchtower in order to STOP an unprecedented convert from Catholic to Witnesses. Jehovah’s Witnesses are fully aware the attack the POPE has imposed on the Watchtower, and has committed its Bishops to stop the converts at all cost.

 

So if you’re going to read things about the Watchtower only to complain, and criticize it? Then review and read the fine print of other religions that Satan is using to attack the Watchtower. For the Watchtower, there is nothing new with religious attacks other than since the 80’s with the introduction of the internet. Scrupulous people tend to exaggerate a problem such as child abuse, that ALL religions are guilty of.

 

People seem to view a bad apple as a bad barrel. Sensationalist journalist will always over play facts. Remember, LATIN AMERICA is famous for that.

 

Aren't you reading a little too far into this and creating a persecution complex for the society? I for one do not believe this to be true of jws in general,  but to fabricate a spin is just like the wt to do, instead of taking the "news" at face value. 

Now the second half is something completely different.  The refusal to turn over documents that they had already turned over is appalling,  unless they have something to hide. The details of the first turn over, being redacted beyond recognition is hiding something. If they stand for truth and what Jesus stood for, then they should have no problem.

[HollyW]

2 hours ago, JWTheologian said:

Just like in anything, sensationalized by the media. Were these people actual JW’s? Some stipulate they were recent converted group of Witnesses that became overzealous and acted independently of The Watchtower Christian Teachings. However, even an uneducated witness wouldn’t care one way or the other to ancient Pagan shrines.

 

The only good answer would be, a group of Catholic sympathizers pretending to be Jehovah’s Witnesses orchestrated that defilement to tarnish the Watchtower in order to STOP an unprecedented convert from Catholic to Witnesses. Jehovah’s Witnesses are fully aware the attack the POPE has imposed on the Watchtower, and has committed its Bishops to stop the converts at all cost.

 

So if you’re going to read things about the Watchtower only to complain, and criticize it? Then review and read the fine print of other religions that Satan is using to attack the Watchtower. For the Watchtower, there is nothing new with religious attacks other than since the 80’s with the introduction of the internet. Scrupulous people tend to exaggerate a problem such as child abuse, that ALL religions are guilty of.

 

People seem to view a bad apple as a bad barrel. Sensationalist journalist will always over play facts. Remember, LATIN AMERICA is famous for that.

 

JWT, I don't know of any religious organization more critical than the WTS is of other Christians.  The very first WT was said to have been born because of a disagreement Russell had about the ransom with another Christian who was the editor of "Herald of the Morning".  

Making up stories about Catholics is just as bad as making them up about JWs.  You aren't doing any one any good by doing that.

[JWTheologian]

13 hours ago, HollyW said:

JWT, I don't know of any religious organization more critical than the WTS is of other Christians.  The very first WT was said to have been born because of a disagreement Russell had about the ransom with another Christian who was the editor of "Herald of the Morning".  

Making up stories about Catholics is just as bad as making them up about JWs.  You aren't doing any one any good by doing that.

While sensationalism is heightened? It is always prudent to know the subject one is referring to. The last Latin American Cities Conference the Pope attended in Santiago Chile this past April, outlined the scope in converts in Central America. Perhaps you should expand your knowledge and learn to criticize appropriately.

If you must include Pastor Russell in your discussion? Then learn the truth that it was the Catholic Priest that first attacked him, by calling him a none pastoral charlatan.

[JWTheologian]

14 hours ago, Shiwiii said:

Aren't you reading a little too far into this and creating a persecution complex for the society? I for one do not believe this to be true of jws in general,  but to fabricate a spin is just like the wt to do, instead of taking the "news" at face value. 

Now the second half is something completely different.  The refusal to turn over documents that they had already turned over is appalling,  unless they have something to hide. The details of the first turn over, being redacted beyond recognition is hiding something. If they stand for truth and what Jesus stood for, then they should have no problem.

No really, Sensationalism always makes the News, especially if its towards Jehovah’s Witnesses. Now there are many shysters out in the world trying to cash in on this Child Abuse, and many ex-witnesses making claim. God will handle it all appropriately without the intervention of clueless people attempting to add to this sensationalism.

[Shiwiii]

5 hours ago, JWTheologian said:

No really, Sensationalism always makes the News, especially if its towards Jehovah’s Witnesses. Now there are many shysters out in the world trying to cash in on this Child Abuse, and many ex-witnesses making claim. God will handle it all appropriately without the intervention of clueless people attempting to add to this sensationalism.

This Statement By You Is Very telling. You have no idea of the facts, only what the wt has told you. For you to call these cases a money grab and that they are "shysters", when you know nothing of the abuse. The wt has admitted to the fact that these were substantiated claims and that they also have the proof and in some cases confessions. But you can't accept this. So you put your fingers in your ears and scream la la la la I can't hear you.

 

Also by liking your own posts to puff up your "status" is par for the course with the wt too.

[JWTheologian]

2 hours ago, Shiwiii said:

This Statement By You Is Very telling. You have no idea of the facts, only what the wt has told you. For you to call these cases a money grab and that they are "shysters", when you know nothing of the abuse. The wt has admitted to the fact that these were substantiated claims and that they also have the proof and in some cases confessions. But you can't accept this. So you put your fingers in your ears and scream la la la la I can't hear you.

 

Also by liking your own posts to puff up your "status" is par for the course with the wt too.

Yes, its very telling as a pretender of the truth as you hasn't a clue, of what goes on in the background in the WT Society, and how many claims are errors of not understanding the laws that govern spirituality and social justice. As for the Status Bar you mark, well to each its own. The fact that you hate your post being challenged speaks volumes of all the falsehoods you have posted so far.