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3 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

Wrong! Your salvation is incumbent to following God’s laws and commandments.

*Sigh* I see you've completely missed the point of Jesus and the Christian gospel.

If salvation was incumbent to following God's laws and commandments, the biblical 'true religion' would still be Judaism and everyone would still be doomed.

Galatians 3:10-14New Living Translation (NLT)

10 But those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, “Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God’s Book of the Law.”[a] 11 So it is clear that no one can be made right with God by trying to keep the law. For the Scriptures say, “It is through faith that a righteous person has life.”[b] 12 This way of faith is very different from the way of law, which says, “It is through obeying the law that a person has life.”[c]

13 But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”[d] 14 Through Christ Jesus, God has blessed the Gentiles with the same blessing he promised to Abraham, so that we who are believers might receive the promised[e] Holy Spirit through faith.

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4 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

The WTS has never implied they hold salvation.

Never?

*** w93 9/15 p. 22 They Compassionately Shepherd the Little Sheep ***
But if we were to draw away from Jehovah’s organization, there would be no place else to go for salvation and true joy. (Compare John 6:66-69.) 

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*** w67 8/15 p. 499 par. 4 The Way to Security ***
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If we want to assure our everlasting salvation, we must stay within the bounds of Jehovah God’s loving provision associated with his visible organization, presided over by his High Priest. 
 

 

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35 minutes ago, Ann O'Maly said:

Never?

*** w93 9/15 p. 22 They Compassionately Shepherd the Little Sheep ***
But if we were to draw away from Jehovah’s organization, there would be no place else to go for salvation and true joy. (Compare John 6:66-69.) 

*** w89 9/1 p. 19 par. 7 Remaining Organized for Survival Into the Millennium ***
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*** w85 3/1 p. 22 par. 21 Jehovah ‘Speeds It Up’ ***
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*** w81 11/15 p. 21 par. 18 ‘Stay Awake and Keep Your Senses’ ***
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*** w67 8/15 p. 499 par. 4 The Way to Security ***
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*** w67 8/15 p. 503 par. 19 The Way to Security ***
If we want to assure our everlasting salvation, we must stay within the bounds of Jehovah God’s loving provision associated with his visible organization, presided over by his High Priest. 
 

 

Thanks for those quote, Ann.  

It's also certainly implied in the November 15, 2013 wt:

[w13 11/15 p.20 Study Edition] At that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

In the simplified edition, the WTS directions are to be followed even if they sound strange or unusual, and even if JWs don't agree with them:

[w13 11/15 p.20 Simplified Edition] At that time, the direction that you receive from Jehovah’s organization may seem strange or unusual. But all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether we agree with them or not, because obeying these instructions will save our lives.

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40 minutes ago, AllenSmith said:

es, twisting WTS literature is a habit with you. Let's not start manipulating the context to mean something else. ... When, has the organization said, there is NO salvation unless through us.

Didn't you read the quotes? What did I twist and manipulate? The quotes are verbatim and properly referenced so that anyone can check the wider context for themselves. They are what they are. Too bad if you don't like it.

40 minutes ago, AllenSmith said:

You are saved by Jesus. When did Christ make himself GOD

 

36 minutes ago, AllenSmith said:

No, I just don't put Christ above God, as you people are doing. ...  OK, when did you people, become higher than Christ?

What has that to do with your statement about being saved by works of law and the apostle Paul's rebuttal to that idea (my Gal. quote and your Eph. reference)? 

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18 minutes ago, AllenSmith said:

your suggestive implication!!!!!!

Nope. Watchtower's own comments that contradict your claim.

27 minutes ago, AllenSmith said:

So in your world, When did Jesus abstain from the governance of the laws. Are you suggesting there are known. That people by our mediator, can do without accepting any of Gods commands. That's what I was talking about until you thought you could exploit my words. Get a life Omaly!!!!!!!

In short, nothing to do with your statement about being saved by works of law and the apostle Paul's rebuttal to that idea.

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3 hours ago, Ann O'Maly said:

Never?

*** w93 9/15 p. 22 They Compassionately Shepherd the Little Sheep ***
But if we were to draw away from Jehovah’s organization, there would be no place else to go for salvation and true joy. (Compare John 6:66-69.) 

*** w89 9/1 p. 19 par. 7 Remaining Organized for Survival Into the Millennium ***
Only Jehovah’s Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the “great crowd,” as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil. (Revelation 7:9-17; 2 Corinthians 4:4)

*** w85 3/1 p. 22 par. 21 Jehovah ‘Speeds It Up’ ***
Let us point all homing “doves” to the way of “salvation” behind the protective walls of Jehovah’s organization and increase “praise” to him at its gates. 

*** w81 11/15 p. 21 par. 18 ‘Stay Awake and Keep Your Senses’ ***
And while now the witness yet includes the invitation to come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation, the time no doubt will come when the message takes on a harder tone, like a “great war cry.”

*** w67 8/15 p. 499 par. 4 The Way to Security ***
So the visible congregation of God’s people has something to do with the provision of salvation today. Indeed, it has an important place in that provision. Every congregation forms a small part of God’s people. We cannot remain outside the organization of God’s people, separated from it, if we want to have Jehovah’s protection.

*** w67 8/15 p. 503 par. 19 The Way to Security ***
If we want to assure our everlasting salvation, we must stay within the bounds of Jehovah God’s loving provision associated with his visible organization, presided over by his High Priest. 
 

 

Here are few more, Ann.

KINGDOM MINISTRY 11/90 p. 1 -  Directing Bible Students to Jehovah’s Organization:
"Bible students need to get acquainted with the organization of the “one flock” Jesus spoke about at John 10:16. They must appreciate that identifying themselves with Jehovah’s organization is essential to their salvation. (Rev. 7:9, 10, 15) Therefore, we should start directing our Bible students to the organization as soon as a Bible study is established."

WT981/11/15 p. 212  “Come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation” 

MAKE SURE OF ALL THINGS, pg 323 – Righteous flee to God’s Mountain-like Organization”

Isa 57:13 – “When you cry out, let your collection of idols deliver you!  The wind will carry all of them off, a breath will take them away.  But whoever takes refuge in Me will inherit the land and possess My holy mountain.”

 

 

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This quote from the Inter-Varsity Press (IVP) commentary above indicates how sadly lacking JWs are by following what the WTS says about being born-again.....something they say is reserved for only 144,000 people beginning in the first century and ending some time in the 1930's.

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That is why Jesus indicates that the best of human piety is inadequate for salvation-whether it be Pharisaic or Christian. Nothing short of a radical transformation, what other early Christian writers called a new birth (Jn 3:3-6; 1 Pet 1:23), can enable one to live as a disciple (compare Mt 18:3).

https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/commentaries/IVP-NT/Matt/Christians-Must-Obey-Gods-Law

 

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Here are few more, Ann.

KINGDOM MINISTRY 11/90 p. 1 -  Directing Bible Students to Jehovah’s Organization:
"Bible students need to get acquainted with the organization of the “one flock” Jesus spoke about at John 10:16. They must appreciate that identifying themselves with Jehovah’s organization is essential to their salvation. (Rev. 7:9, 10, 15) Therefore, we should start directing our Bible students to the organization as soon as a Bible study is established."

 

WT981/11/15 p. 212  “Come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation” 

 

MAKE SURE OF ALL THINGS, pg 323 – Righteous flee to God’s Mountain-like Organization”

 

Isa 57:13 – “When you cry out, let your collection of idols deliver you!  The wind will carry all of them off, a breath will take them away.  But whoever takes refuge in Me will inherit the land and possess My holy mountain.”

 

Exactly, Witness.  Directing people to the organization is a common occurrence in the WTS publications, never directing them to Jesus.

 

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Methinks you are projecting, Allen. ;)

You stated, "Your salvation is incumbent to following God’s laws and commandments"

It was shown that the apostle Paul disagrees with you. If following God's laws and commandments would save people, there would have been no need for Jesus. Because nobody can follow God's laws and commandments properly, everyone is condemned. That's why, according to Christian doctrine, everyone needs Jesus to be saved. 

You also stated: "The WTS has never implied they hold salvation."

Again, three posters have provided numerous official Watchtower pronouncements demonstrating that you are mistaken. 

You may deflect and project all you like, but it doesn't change reality.

 

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