What is our scriptural basis for refusing transfusion of products rendered from blood?

[Pudgy]

Hmmmm … Cornelius was accepted by God although he was not a Christian OR Jew?

Hmmmm…. considering he was a Roman Soldier, that kinda gives “new legs” to “… render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s ”  … doesn’t it?

[Srecko Sostar]

2 hours ago, Many Miles said:

Can you point me to the most recent incident of the society referring to Cornelius as a proselyte? I'm not finding that.

Looks like I confused something in googling. Sorry.

[George88]

16 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

GB says to people; read the Bible with the help of our publications and you will see  how Jesus trust us.

I'm not entirely sure about your thoughts here, but it seems that you're suggesting that even if the Jews back then had read the scrolls themselves, they wouldn't have trusted Jesus. If that's the case, I agree with Pudgy's emoji response.

[George88]

16 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Once again briefly. JW brother Joshua clearly used the term "blood transfusion". He should know about all those blood finesse. So, in my opinion, he deliberately omitted to explain in detail what WTJWorg means by the term "blood transfusion", what is blood and what is not blood according to the GB interpretation.

In a court of law, it is crucial to acknowledge that the term "blood transfusion" can also refer to fractionated blood. The responsibility of providing clarifications lies with the lawyers, but with the understanding of all parties involved. If an answer is provided without any need for clarification, it implies that no further action was required.

16 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

About "Shepherd" book. If that book is so "public", conduct a member survey and ask how many have read the book (JW men, women and children).

The "Shepherd" book serves as a comprehensive guide, incorporating biblical principles to provide valuable insights for Elders. This distinctive aspect lies in its inclusion of practical scenarios, which can greatly assist Elders in their decision-making process. Likewise, numerous other publications by the Watchtower organization adopt a similar approach, making them accessible to individuals of all ages, be it men, women, or even children who possess a profound understanding and ability to discern scriptural truths.

[Pudgy]

You are living in a total fantasy construct Georgie, of ignoring actual historical developments and events that really happened, for irrelevant and immaterial theoretical concerns of things that might have been, and should have been, but didn’t.

Because your entire frame of reference is driven by agenda, and not reality … your entire perspective has little or no relationship with what is real.

[Pudgy]

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[Srecko Sostar]

5 hours ago, George88 said:

I'm not entirely sure about your thoughts here, but it seems that you're suggesting that even if the Jews back then had read the scrolls themselves, they wouldn't have trusted Jesus. If that's the case, I agree with Pudgy's emoji response.

Your previous comment, which prompted my reaction at the time, reminded me of GB member GJ when he stated before the ARC that JWs are so capable of reading the Bible and seeing the difference whether GB is teaching them correctly or not.
It means that ordinary JW people are so spiritually mature and intellectually capable of distinguishing "truth from lies" that they don't really need GB as "channel and source of interpretations" . If the student is able to reason better than the teacher then why all this "theocratic hierarchy" where only a few (elders) are "trained to use the Word correctly"? If, according to GJ, JW members are able to discern some teaching, based on reading the Bible, then that's it.
Oh, it's terrible what JW clergy do with followers.

[Srecko Sostar]

5 hours ago, George88 said:

22 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Once again briefly. JW brother Joshua clearly used the term "blood transfusion". He should know about all those blood finesse. So, in my opinion, he deliberately omitted to explain in detail what WTJWorg means by the term "blood transfusion", what is blood and what is not blood according to the GB interpretation.

In a court of law, it is crucial to acknowledge that the term "blood transfusion" can also refer to fractionated blood. The responsibility of providing clarifications lies with the lawyers, but with the understanding of all parties involved. If an answer is provided without any need for clarification, it implies that no further action was required.

To simplify. Joshua David was not at the Court, but spoke in front of the camera answering questions from journalist. He was speaking to listeners, many of whom were ordinary, averagely educated people. But regardless of their education, they would understand if JD explained to them that "freedom of conscience among JWs" is not unlimited, and that they must obey GBs orders or they will be excommunicated.

[Srecko Sostar]

5 hours ago, George88 said:

The "Shepherd" book serves as a comprehensive guide, incorporating biblical principles to provide valuable insights for Elders. This distinctive aspect lies in its inclusion of practical scenarios, which can greatly assist Elders in their decision-making process. Likewise, numerous other publications by the Watchtower organization adopt a similar approach, making them accessible to individuals of all ages, be it men, women, or even children who possess a profound understanding and ability to discern scriptural truths.

This publication is confidential. If an elder is deleted  he should turn over this publication  to be destroyed, and any electronic copies in his possession should be deleted.

The book deals with "legal" matters within the religious community. If a citizen of a country wants to know what the "legal" system/procedure of the country in which he lives looks like, he can easily get information.
What reason is there that JWs cannot get information on what the "legal" system/procedure of spiritual Paradise looks like?

[Thinking]

20 hours ago, Many Miles said:

Thinking, I didn't want you to think I overlooked this conclusion you shared. It's obvious we disagree. Just to be clear, I'm not offended by that, not that that should matter to you. If I'm wrong, as you suggest, I want to know it. But I want to know it for sure. This is why I pursued the discussion as I did in my post above. Insofar as I can read, there are some underpinnings of this subject I'm not convinced you've thought through. But, should you opt to pursue the discussion, we'll find out. Either way, thanks for the discussion.

I hope I didnt offend..I tend to write short and to the point….you and Tom and Juan tend to write long flowing posts with many intellectual words….we Australians just dont see the point in all of that.( I think we are wrong but that’s the truth as I see it ) 

I have tried hard to change but…what the heck….too tired and late to change now.

Brother Splane   was at our 2019 assembly ( the best ever ) and he made a long comment saying….you Australians need to watch how you speak, you come over as blunt and sarcastic…he said more but that’s all I remember ..I wondered what had been said to him by the branch.

I will go over your reply but I dont get your Cornealius point ….as I understand it he was Roman..and never under the Jewish system…therefore a follower of Christ .

[Thinking]

19 hours ago, Many Miles said:

20 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

 

Job was outside the Judaic system, and potentially his life overlapped with Moses.

Elihu is another potential example.

But the most clear-cut example of this is Cornelius.

But biblical text, though following the Abrahamic line, does show God recognize conduct of all peoples, individuals or nations, as to whether these 'feared him and worked righteousness'. For example, God saw what was happening in Nineveh. He always knew who were the men like Noah, Job, Elihu or Cornelius. It didn't matter to him what nation they belonged to. What God looked for were men and woman who feared him and worked righteousness. Of course, he made a special case out of the sons of Israel for something greater to come, which was Jesu

Yep I agree with this 

[George88]

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Your previous comment, which prompted my reaction at the time, reminded me of GB member GJ when he stated before the ARC that JWs are so capable of reading the Bible and seeing the difference whether GB is teaching them correctly or not.

I remain skeptical as I am referring to your tendency to twist other people's words, a behavior that you sometimes exhibit with mine.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

It means that ordinary JW people are so spiritually mature and intellectually capable of distinguishing "truth from lies" that they don't really need GB as "channel and source of interpretations" . If the student is able to reason better than the teacher then why all this "theocratic hierarchy" where only a few (elders) are "trained to use the Word correctly"? If, according to GJ, JW members are able to discern some teaching, based on reading the Bible, then that's it.

The brotherhood, in general, exhibits a remarkable level of maturity and obedience. Contrary to your evaluation, their exemplary behavior stands as a strong argument for my disagreement. Here, it's a different story.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Oh, it's terrible what JW clergy do with followers.

This would seem just to be a personal opinion.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

To simplify. Joshua David was not at the Court, but spoke in front of the camera answering questions from journalist. He was speaking to listeners, many of whom were ordinary, averagely educated people. But regardless of their education, they would understand if JD explained to them that "freedom of conscience among JWs" is not unlimited, and that they must obey GBs orders or they will be excommunicated.

It seems you are quick to criticize others for their spoken words, much like the critics of Christ. Your assumption is based on what you want to hear rather than considering the bigger picture. Take a moment to reflect on your own words and you will notice a striking similarity. Would it be fair for honest individuals to judge you based on your own words?

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

This publication is confidential. If an elder is deleted  he should turn over this publication  to be destroyed, and any electronic copies in his possession should be deleted.

The book deals with "legal" matters within the religious community. If a citizen of a country wants to know what the "legal" system/procedure of the country in which he lives looks like, he can easily get information.
What reason is there that JWs cannot get information on what the "legal" system/procedure of spiritual Paradise looks like?

As you rightly noted, the book serves as an invaluable guide for Elders to navigate various situations that may arise. It is crucial to acknowledge that Elders exercise discretion in matters concerning the congregation, as the Watchtower cannot possibly dictate every decision. After all, even imperfect human beings, like ourselves, make mistakes regularly. None of us can claim to be perfect in a flawless world. It is often those who are quick to criticize others that fail to recognize their own shortcomings. These individuals mistakenly assume their voice should hold authority, even though their understanding may lack wisdom and discernment.

Who should we trust and strive to emulate: the Pharisees or Christ?