"New Light" Question

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29 minutes ago, Ann O'Maly said:

I doubt whether anyone's seriously considering putting members of the Org's leadership to death

Hmm?? Got my doubts about that.

42 minutes ago, Ann O'Maly said:

How does that sit with the issue of loyalty?

Pretty well for me. Excellent strategy in that David secured his future boundaries whilst giving the Philistines the impression he was fighting their enemies. He then escaped fighting against Saul when the distrusting Philistines sent him away. Thus he played no part in Saul's overthrow and death in the ensuing battle. So David stayed loyal to Jehovah and allowed him to deal with problem of Saul.

So back to the thread, the way to deal with New Light, Old Light, any kind of Light  is to wait always on Jehovah. Even David advised as much at Ps. 4:3-4. 

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35 minutes ago, Eoin Joyce said:

Pretty well for me. Excellent strategy in that David secured his future boundaries whilst giving the Philistines the impression he was fighting their enemies. He then escaped fighting against Saul when the distrusting Philistines sent him away. Thus he played no part in Saul's overthrow and death in the ensuing battle. So David stayed loyal to Jehovah and allowed him to deal with problem of Saul.

Yep, David was playing both sides and it worked out for him. But doesn't David's example emphasize loyalty to Jehovah over and above loyalty to a nation or human ruler, even if that meant he was an outcast in the eyes of God's anointed?

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3 hours ago, Ann O'Maly said:

But doesn't David's example emphasize loyalty to Jehovah over and above loyalty to a nation or human ruler, even if that meant he was an outcast in the eyes of God's anointed?

i don't think his loyalty made him an outcast.

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On 5/28/2016 at 11:24 PM, Eoin Joyce said:

i don't think his loyalty made him an outcast.

Having to hide in caves and among Israel's enemies to evade death at the hands of God's anointed king doesn't count as being an outcast? Really?

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He was certainly an outcast. But was that due to his loyalty?

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20 hours ago, Eoin Joyce said:

 

He was certainly an outcast. But was that due to his loyalty?

 

Um yeah! If he'd been disloyal, he'd have killed Saul, become king, and stopped being an outcast.

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He was already an outcast.

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1 hour ago, Eoin Joyce said:

He was already an outcast.

From when God's anointed king wanted to kill him, yes. But you are evading the lesson to be learned, namely: doesn't David's example emphasize loyalty to Jehovah over and above loyalty to a nation or human ruler, even if that meant he was an outcast in the eyes of God's anointed?

 

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1 hour ago, Ann O'Maly said:

doesn't David's example emphasize loyalty to Jehovah over and above loyalty to a nation or human ruler, even if that meant he was an outcast in the eyes of God's anointed?

I agree with the point about being an example of loyalty to Jehovah, but just can't see your point regarding being an outcast.

At this time, Saul had already long been rejected by Jehovah and David had already been anointed before they even met each other.

David was an outcast because Saul refused to accept that he (Saul) was no longer God's anointed king and that David was now God's anointed.

David recognized that it wasn't his place to depose a ruler within Gods arrangement, just as true anointed Christians today do not try to depose the worldly governments that God tolerates temporarily at this time, even though they will replace them.

I think we had better leave this discussion to another time and place as it is straying a bit off topic.

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12 hours ago, Eoin Joyce said:

I think we had better leave this discussion to another time and place as it is straying a bit off topic.

Lol. You started it by asking how 1 Samuel 24:4-7 sat with the idea that being loyal to Jehovah may mean disloyalty to a religious leadership's actions or beliefs, and quibbling about whether David's loyalties made him an outcast in the eyes of God's anointed king.  And I think you see my point very well. 

 

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4 hours ago, Ann O'Maly said:

Lol. You started it 

This is a bit childish? I am stopping because I started.... Just used "we" out of respect. I'll rephrase as "I think I had better leave...." for the reason as stated.

4 hours ago, Ann O'Maly said:

quibbling about whether David's loyalties made him an outcast in the eyes of God's anointed king

David was God's anointed king. 1Sam 16:13. Saul made David an outcast because of his own loss of God's favor and his intent to kill David.

4 hours ago, Ann O'Maly said:

And I think you see my point very well. 

Now you are second guessing.

I'm disappointed, I had come to expect anomaly.

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18 hours ago, Eoin Joyce said:

This is a bit childish?

I was stating a fact and it was written with an impish twinkle in my eye. 

19 hours ago, Eoin Joyce said:

David was God's anointed king. 1Sam 16:13. Saul made David an outcast because of his own loss of God's favor and his intent to kill David.

The point remains that, because of David's higher loyalties, he became an outcast in the eyes of God's (still) anointed and reigning king (cp. 1 Sam. 24:5, 6), and that David provides an example of where loyalty to God may mean disloyalty to a leadership's actions or beliefs. 

19 hours ago, Eoin Joyce said:

Now you are second guessing.

Yes, it is purely my opinion based on how this discussion has gone.

19 hours ago, Eoin Joyce said:

I'm disappointed, I had come to expect anomaly.

I don't understand what that means.