Give to Cesar what is Cesar's, anyone care to discuss?

[Shiwiii]

CERTIFIED FOR PUBLICATION

COURT OF APPEAL, FOURTH APPELLATE DISTRICT

DIVISION ONE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA

OSBALDO PADRON,
Plaintiff and Respondent,
v.
WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT
SOCIETY OF NEW YORK, INC.,
Defendant and Appellant.

D070723

(Super. Ct. No. 37-2013-00067529-
CU-PO-CTL)

 

Nonetheless, Watchtower refuses to comply
with the court order and maintains the court was just wrong. In this sense, it refuses to
acknowledge the authority of the court and repudiates the procedures and rules all
litigants are supposed to follow in superior court. In these extreme circumstances, we
conclude the superior court was authorized to issue the monetary sanctions below. Also,
we see nothing in the Civil Discovery Act that expressly prohibits the superior court from
imposing monetary sanctions like the ones issued here. Indeed, we find Watchtower's

conduct so egregious that if it continues to defy the March 25, 2016 order, terminating
sanctions appear to be warranted and necessary.

It is clear that those responses, at least in
part, were in consideration of future litigation and liability that could arise from the
placement of known child molesters in positions of leadership and authority within the
Jehovah's Witnesses organization.

Here, Watchtower has abused the discovery process. It has zealously advocated
its position and lost multiple times. Yet, it cavalierly refuses to acknowledge the
consequences of these losses and the validity of the court's orders requiring it to produce
documents in response to request number 12. And, in a further act of defiance,
Watchtower informed the court that it would not comply with the March 25, 2016 order

requiring it to produce documents responsive to request number 12. The court, following
Lopez, supra, 246 Cal.App.4th 566, as an incremental step toward terminating sanctions
if Watchtower persists in its unjustified conduct, imposed monetary sanctions. On the
record before us, we are satisfied that the superior court's order was not arbitrary,
capricious, or whimsical. To the contrary, the superior court has shown great patience
and flexibility in dealing with a recalcitrant litigant who refuses to follow valid orders
and merely reiterates losing arguments. We therefore affirm.
DISPOSITION

The order is affirmed. Padron is awarded his costs of appeal.

[Shiwiii]

Romans 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

This is just ONE of MANY instances in the past few years where the Society's lawyers constantly, consistantly, and without conscience, pervert Justice. 

Wednesday night we dropped a small check in the contribution box at the Kingdom Hall ... and felt guilty that part of that money would be used to deliberately, and with premeditation ... to pervert Justice.

Normally, lawyers have a fiduciary responsibility to win at any cost ... and the Society's lawyers are no different. What gives them special "power" is that they are now redefining our core theology based on economic considerations.

This has already happened, as due to many lawsuits, we are now "allowed" to take into our veins up to 99% of all blood products ... if they put it in separately.

The REASON it is now a matter of conscience ... is that the Governing Body does NOT want to lose all that money.

This has all been brought out here on the Archive over, and over, and over ... so I will not beat a dead horse into mush.

Jehovah's Witnesses are rightfully becoming known in the community of men as extremists ... perverting Justice in many ways ... and this reflects on the reputation of the God whose name is Jehovah.

BADLY!

[Witness]

1 hour ago, Shiwiii said:

Romans 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

Further in Romans 13 -    

"Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.  For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.  For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.  Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. "   Rom 13:2-5

 

 

[Srecko Sostar]

Many of JW members who read the topics in this forum can not accept the fact that the main church body aka Gb violates both laws - divine and human.

GB asks of every member to report any fact and person that violates the JW Code in the assembly. But the GB does not want to report and give facts, evidence, documents, statements that would allow a justice, even "imperfect, worldly" justice. hehe

[Witness]

23 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Many of JW members who read the topics in this forum can not accept the fact that the main church body aka Gb violates both laws - divine and human.

GB asks of every member to report any fact and person that violates the JW Code in the assembly. But the GB does not want to report and give facts, evidence, documents, statements that would allow a justice, even "imperfect, worldly" justice. hehe

Very succinctly put;  "both laws - divine and human"  

 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.  For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.  Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."  Matt 5:17-20

[Srecko Sostar]

Shiwiii, You have 181 views until now. That is good. People pay little attention... in some way.  

[Srecko Sostar]

When Jesus called people (in his time Israel people) to give Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and to God what belongs to God-whether Jesus in his words appealed to the conscience of men or did he established a new rule, decree, an unwritten rule? Because he wanted to accomplish brand new way of how to worship god, without written "Law". 

JWorg and some other Christian scholars, they note and conclude that the conscience of a man can make mistake and because that it is not the right benchmark for making decisions. In fact conscience is not/ has no ability to legalize and set general standards that would be unbearable and the only correct one for all people. 

Conscious is just our personal, inner feeling (some said it is connected with original sense given by god.)  It is changeable, because it can be influenced by the  group, society and the society's "collective conscience"  (learned or imposed by some sort of "force", or willingly accepted) on our personal feeling that is different from the collective feeling. 

Take for example blood transfusion. JWorg said how full blood or blood fractions are matter of conscience. But if individual brake the rule according to his conscience no one (corporation, religion) will care for his inner feeling for bad and good, but will punished the owner of such conscience. 

Conscience is connected with free will. But, as history show "free will" is free as far as it is according to rule, law, standards etc.  imposed by those in Power and who Rule over other. 

In some matter Higher power and individual found some sort of compromise. In some western country people can show "objection of conscience" (not go to military service, not making abortion as doctor in hospital...) but it is interesting why, how was come such evolution of thinking on the issue and changed position of thinking of those who create law, rule, public opinion. :))  

Example you put about WT and documents are very good. Thanks!

Just little contribution to your topic. Stay well!

 

[Witness]

On 11/10/2017 at 9:43 AM, Witness said:

"Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.  For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil.

"resists"

Among Strong’s definition of uses for “Satan” are included,

adversary (one who opposes another in purpose or act)

he incites apostasy from God and to sin

circumventing men by his wiles

a Satan-like man

[Witness]

On 12/26/2017 at 12:55 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

JWorg and some other Christian scholars, they note and conclude that the conscience of a man can make mistake and because that it is not the right benchmark for making decisions. In fact conscience is not/ has no ability to legalize and set general standards that would be unbearable and the only correct one for all people. 

Good assessment.  Interestingly, the Bible takes a different view: 

"To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted."  Titus 1:15

Those with a "seared"/corrupted conscience dictate the conscience of another.

"The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron." 1 Tim 4:1,2

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, Witness said:

"To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted."  Titus 1:15

This remind me on innocence and purity that is beautiful characteristic of children. That is why Jesus talking of need to be like kids :))

Mind - intellectual ability. Conscience - inner feeling. Sometimes in harmony sometimes in opposition. But both are under influence of outside powers that can prevail. 

[Srecko Sostar]

20 hours ago, Witness said:

To the pure, all things are pure

... this reminded me now on Law about food in OT Israel. Some food was "unclean" according to Law given by god. Before the Law and after the Law food have no etiquette - "pure/clean" or "unclean". 

For Jew to eat forbidden food was disgusting. Their "conscience" did not let them to eat such food. But that sort of "conscience" was not, i think, Natural conscience. In fact if we want to go so far - to  kill and to eat animal for food was/is also not Natural thing, for me  . So, What or Who shaped conscience of humans in the beginning (Adam and Eve period), further we have Noah time, and bible records about killing and eating animals with restriction on blood, and furthermore we have records on Jew nation and law about sort of animals meat that are forbidden. Other humans outside Jew have other concepts on food and god not judge them for that.  

In all these we can see that shaping of humans (Jew) "conscience" was not came through inner state of feeling how should/need some things to be, here about food. No, it was came through commands, law, punishment if not hold the rule. I would say how such "conscience" was "trained" (similar as WT using frase "bible trained conscience"). Conscience of Jew people in those times came through rules, even sometimes without explanation why they need to doing things in this way and not in some other. In other cases some sort of knowledge exists and was also power, generator for adoption and acceptance of "general moral" aka "collective conscience" of nation. Individual in such nation, group, tribe, religion must force himself to doing things as all other doing, or if came as newborn baby, he/she was trained in this way and after that behaviour came as "normal". Also as is normal thing for some other people to eat snake, or to have few wifes, or to be vegetarian.

In both case - in case of "conscience" and in case of "knowledge" we can see how both are relative and changeable, even if we talking about one and same god. Not to mention diversity of behaviour in specific nation, tribe, group in comparison to some other nation, tribe, group of all human family worldwide. 

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