THE THIEF

[Witness]

Wt 13/7/2015 p. 11 – “Jesus began to inspect the spiritual temple in 1914. Jesus’ work to inspect and cleanse that temple lasted from 1914 to the early part of 1919.

Since 1919, anointed ones have been gathered into the cleansed Christian congregation.”

The anointed are the spiritual Temple of God, even though recent “new light” revealed by GB member G. Losch, is saying otherwise; said, without the use of any scriptural application to support his uninspired teaching.   (1 Pet 2:5;1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22) 

What are the anointed cleansed of, when entering the organization?  Are they cleansed of the weeds, as this article suggests are the people who left the organization during Rutherford’s tyrannical rule - this man, who continually set dates for Armageddon that proved false?  Obviously, the anointed were not cleansed of false predictions which they preached at one time as truth.  (Deut 18:20-22)  They were not cleansed of doctrine proven to be false. (Matt 15:9)  Are they cleansed of extolling an earthly organization, instead of extolling and praising only God and Christ?  (2 Pet 1:16,17; Heb 1:1-4)

Are they cleansed of idolatry?  (Exod 20:4,5; 23:13; 2 Cor 6:16; Acts 17:24; Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4)

Are they cleansed of following the dictates of men not inspired but who compare themselves to the apostles, and who expect dedication and allegiance to this earthy organization, over and above devotion to the Father and the Son, as the example set by the early inspired apostles?  (2 Cor 11:13; Col 2:8-10,20-22)

 People who give full devotion to the Father and the Son are disfellowshipped.  This seems to indicate that the organization cleanses itself from the faithful ones, that Jesus calls out of Wt. darkness!  (Matt 5:11; 10:22; John 16:2; Rev 13:15; 11:1-3,7; 6:9-11; 2:2-5; 3:8-12)

What sort of sacrifices of praise do the anointed priests give to God and their Head, Jesus Christ?  They give what false prophets put in their mouth – lies.  (1 Tim 4:1; Rev 16:13-16) 

They allow “Gentile” elders to take their place as priests and teachers of God’s laws in Christ.  (Exod 40:15;Num 18:7; Mal 2:7,8; 1 Pet 2:5,9) They allow elders to judge them based on accepting or rejecting the lies of a wicked slave.  (Matt 24:48-51; 5,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 13:11,12,5-7)  They've allowed God's sanctuary to be defiled by the "abomination"/elder body standing where it does not belong.  (Mark 13:14)

Have they followed in the footsteps of Christ by rejecting ALL falsehoods, doctrine and obedience to men as Jesus’ example while on earth shows us? 

Have the anointed died for the sake of Christ and his teachings?  Or, do they harbor the fear of losing the life they have built while in the organization, which falsely promises “peace and security”, if one remains inside?  (Jer 23:16,17; 1 Thess 5:3)  Or, do they love what this life provides them, instead of reaching out to Jesus Christ who advises them to “buy” from him, wisdom and truth?  (Prov 23:23;John 14:6; Rev 3:18)

They are held captive to false teachers/prophets and their elder troops.  (Matt 24:24,25; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev  9:3-5; 11:1,2; 20:7-9)

The harvest is ongoing inside the organization.  The “weeds” are those “sons” who bend their backs to the deceptive power of men over them, and adopt a new father to lead them.   (Matt 8:11,12; John 8:42-44; Gal 1:10) The “wheat” are the “sons” who reject this power, and subject themselves to their King, Jesus Christ.  (Matt 13:37-40)

No one is “wheat” in God’s eyes, when they tolerate false teachers who produce rotten fruit!  (Matt 7:15-23)

“For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.”  Matt 5:20

“The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom (from among the anointed members of his Body)…

 all things that offend, (“stumbling”) and those who practice lawlessness, ⁴² and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. ⁴³ Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”  Matt 13:41-43

 

The thief is the one that "comes in through another way" (John10:1; Joel2:9-10).   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John10%3A1%3B+Joel2%3A9-10&version=NIV 

At John 10:10, Jesus said, "10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. But I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly."

Jesus said he comes by way of the gate, which the gatekeeper opens for him (Mark13:33-34; John10:2-3). Not so with the thief. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark13%3A33-34%3B+John10%3A2-3&version=NIV 

He "sneaks in a different way" (John10:1).

The first thief is not Jesus Christ, but the Sneak who is thought to be Christ.

The thief is really a false christ, and all are misled into THINKING it is Jesus Christ's return. In that way, Jesus comes as a thief. The thief is presented, as Christ.

That false, premature arrival of Christ by the imposter, was referred to by Paul, at 2Thess.2:1-3.  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thess.2%3A1-3&version=NIV

The first arrival of Christ as the thief, is a thief arriving AS Christ, who robs the crown of the elect (Rev.3:11; Mark13:34-37), through that great deception.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.3%3A11%3B+Mark13%3A34-37&version=NIV 

Those who put faith in that thief/impostor, believe in the false Christ that Jesus foretold, at Matt.24:4-5,24-25 and Rev.13:11; 16:13-14; 1Tim.4:1.  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt.24%3A4-5%2C24-25%3B+Rev.13%3A11%3B+16%3A13-14%3B+1Tim.4%3A1.&version=NIV

The second arrival of Christ as a thief, is when he really, genuinely arrives. Those who had put faith in the false arrival of the impostor/antiChrist; are not ready to recognize Christ's genuine arrival to inspect his servants. For them, Christ's real arrival is as a stealth thief they did not expect, nor were they prepared for. They are found "naked" by Jesus... unclothed with the necessary garment of righteousness and love (Rev.19:8; 6:9-11; Gal.3:27; John13:34; Col.3:14). https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.19%3A8%3B+6%3A9-11%3B+Gal.3%3A27%3B+John13%3A34%3B+Col.3%3A14&version=NIV 

Those fooled by the arrival of the murdering robber, have not sacrificed their lives for the truths and example of Jesus, but instead, they believed in a false peace and security with God... drowzy and drunk on the harlot's wine (the doctrine of the false Christ/thief)

Pearl Doxsey

 

 

 

 

[Witness]

Wt 2019/10/5 page 5 – “By the end of 1919, Jehovah’s people were reorganized and energized. Additionally, several important prophecies involving the last days had been fulfilled. The testing and refinement of God’s people, foretold at Malachi 3:1-4, was complete.”

What were those prophecies fulfilled?

"Jehovah’s people had been released from their symbolic captivity to 'Babylon the Great,' and Jesus had appointed  'the faithful and discreet slave.'

This slave, which I understand was Russel, would have been “faithful” to the doctrines of Jesus only, and not to those of men. (Mark 7:6,7)  He would have been “discreet” (meaning “intelligent, wise”) about what was taught, don’t you think? 

Gal 1:6-9 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gal+1%3A6-9&version=NASB

Yet, Russell’s self-motivated works are not taught world-wide today; whereas the apostles' teachings, are. His books are not used by your own organization.  You know what is rather amazing about this?  Your leadership says, there was no “faithful and discreet slave” in the first century!  What did Jesus call those then, who were “faithful” until death, preaching his word throughout the area of the world they knew?  If they were faithful to the word of God, they were found “intelligent, wise” in God’s truth, before their Master.  (Luke 19:11-27; Rev 17:14)

“But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.”  John 16:13

That is also interesting, isn’t it?  Your past and present leadership keep getting “what is to come”, wrong! Jesus said that is a sign that they are not part of him, not part of the vine of Christ and recipients of the Spirit of truth.  Their “fruit” does not prove they are Christ’s disciples.  (John 15:1-8,16)

What were the many “prophecies” after that, that Rutherford made which weren’t fulfilled?  Any JW can research this online; and they should ,without fear.

Mal 3:3 (from the quote above) – “And He will sit as a smelter and purifier of silver, and He will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, so that they may present to the Lord offerings in righteousness.”

From 1914 to 1919, Jesus apparently came to his Temple - to his anointed living stones (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16) which included Rutherford, if he was anointed. The Wt is saying that from among all of the anointed, he cleaned out, removed, those who would create stumbling blocks against the truth -  his truth, God's truth. This would be anything spoken by an anointed one,  that defiled his teachings. The stumbling blocks would be created by men, who call them, truth. Their hearts and desires were analyzed - measured, according to scriptures - according to the word of God. (Zech 4:8-10; Amos 7:7,8; Rev 11:1,2) (Isa 43:21; 1 Pet 2:9; 1 Cor 3:10)  They would have been refined from all false teachings as Mal 3:1-4 states.  

 In 1921, Rutherford published the book, “Harp of God” which the GB member David Splane spoke about at the annual meeting. He built that book up, practically putting it on a pedestal.  How? Not by what was stated inside its cover, but by saying over 6 million of copies had been circulated.  This book was to “make it easier for people to come into the truth”, a “simple” book.     If this book was so wonderful, truthful, and easy to learn from, why is it not on your website?   Have you read this book? Have you noticed its lies that are discarded by the organization today?  This book was a spiritual plague that did not bring people into the truth, but brought people into captivity to men, and their selfish motives to produce what their hearts desired.  (Jer 23:16; Luke 6:45; Matt 7:15-20; 1 John 4:1; 1 Tim 4:1; 2 Cor 11:13-15)

If Christ came and cleansed his living Temple ( 2 Cor 6:16) of all defilement between 1914-1919, does that not include lies that contradict his word?  Have you considered how these men came to the conclusion that it took Jesus 5 years to cleanse the temple? Where is the scriptural proof?   And did he overlook the heart of Rutherford, by allowing him to teach lies? (John 2:25; 1:1; Heb 4:12) Are Rutherford's lies excused, yet Christendom’s lies condemned?

The Harp of God, along with many others, is far from an ‘offering in righteousness”. 

Do JWs understand what “truth” is, and what “righteousness” in the sight of God, is?  (2 Thess 2:9-12)

Is this “truth”…?

“ In 1831 the first locomotive steam engine was invented. Such wonderful progress has been made in this regard that now one can travel through almost any part of the earth at a rapid rate upon a railway train. Later came the electric engines and electric motor cars and gas engines; and now there is a tremendous amount of travel in every part of the earth. It is no uncommon thing for one to travel at the rate of 75 and 100 miles per hour; and particularly is this true by means of a flying machine, which is a very modern invention.  God’s Prophet designates this same time as “the day of God’s preparation”. In Nahum 2:1-6 the Prophet records his vision of a railway train traveling at a high rate of speed, as another evidence of the day of preparation for the establishment of Christ’s kingdom.” P. 124  Harp of God

18 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

not even worth the time to type this sentence,

We either strive to understand and come to love the word of God in Christ, or we prefer the empty, worthless words of men, such as found in publications continually discarded by your leadership.   Although the organization judges an individual as worthy or unworthy of God's Spirit based on man's word - doctrine, Jesus said, "The one who rejects me and does not accept my teachings has one who judges him: the word which I spoke. That will judge him on the last day."   John 12:48

 

 

 

 

 

[Srecko Sostar]

12 hours ago, Witness said:

Wt 2019/10/5 page 5 – “By the end of 1919, Jehovah’s people were reorganized and energized. Additionally, several important prophecies involving the last days had been fulfilled. The testing and refinement of God’s people, foretold at Malachi 3:1-4, was complete.”

What were those prophecies fulfilled?

"Jehovah’s people had been released from their symbolic captivity to 'Babylon the Great,' and Jesus had appointed  'the faithful and discreet slave.'

The statement from the quoted WT article is very clear and specific. But still it is not strong enough to refute reality. And not just the reality of 1919 and the years after. This article from WT was written, as far as I can see, in 2019. Despite the fact that the entire past of WTJWorg is better seen from 2019, the author unfortunately maintains that Jesus purified WTJWorg in those 5 years, and that he left a pure organization for the future. That future encompasses the present. And what is the present? The present argues that most of WTJWorg’s doctrine and theology, as well as the practice that results from the theoretical teaching of members, has been affected, and still is, by tremendous changes in “knowledge and truth”.
Several things can be concluded from this:
- that Jesus was not visiting WTJWorg in 1914-1919
-that Jesus did a bad job or had bad disciples
-that WTJWorg subsequently ignored the changes that Jesus made
-that WTJWorg considered the changes of 1914-1919 obsolete and inaccurate and changed them on its own in the coming decades 

If “The testing and refinement of God’s people, foretold at Malachi 3: 1-4, was complete.” in the 1914-1919 period, then the mantra that WTJWorg has been trading for decades (the light is shining more and more clearly) is completely wrong. The light shone, supposedly 1914-1919, from Jesus himself. So what more improvements and clarifications should there be after Jesus ’personal conclusion ??

Lies and only more lies comes from WTJWorg.

 

[Witness]

13 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

thankfully judgement is coming ,thats got to be less painful than this lot

Some people here will say the history of the organization and its failed teachings, matters not.  But, obviously, the present GB select tidbits from it, to support its present mission. More than tidbits actually, they have developed their history museum at Bethel.  I hope you peel back the layers of Wt's history, to see conclusive evidence that Jesus has never "inspired" an organization or its people, who rely on earthly currency, fleshly pursuits, and the physical labor of men...nor has God. (Matt 6:19; Phil 3:18,19; James 3:14,15; 2 Cor 11:20; Gal 1:10)   Its inspiration comes from another spirit. (Matt 24:24; 1 Tim 4:1) Paul said, as did Stephen who was stoned, that God does not live in temples made with hands".  (Acts 7:48-50; 17:24)  

Despite A. Morris' desire and determined positive stance that the "mountain-like organization" will sail through Armageddon in one piece, it will not happen.  (Zech 4:6,7; Rev 8:8,9; 18:4-8)

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Lies and only more lies comes from WTJWorg.

 

 

 

 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

1 hour ago, Witness said:

Despite A. Morris' desire and determined positive stance that the "mountain-like organization" will sail through Armageddon in one piece, it will not happen.

I think the GB have a big shock coming. But if there is another ten years left then we might just have to wait a while for Jesus Christ to take action against the GB and Co. 

[Srecko Sostar]

4 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

looks like im walking freely about  in a den of snakes no less

The symbolism used by the Bible with the animal world is interesting. The same species of animal has two opposite characteristics.

Eg. Satan is referred to as the "roaring lion," but the positive characters in the biblical text are also compared to the "lion."

The “serpent” is a symbol for Satan, but the “serpent” was the savior for all those Israelites who looked at the bronze serpent idol that Moses placed at God’s command.

[Witness]

On 11/5/2021 at 12:04 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

The “serpent” is a symbol for Satan, but the “serpent” was the savior for all those Israelites who looked at the bronze serpent idol that Moses placed at God’s command.

Or, perhaps not a savior, but it seems to be a symbol of judgment.  1 Cor 10 :6-10

On 11/4/2021 at 7:48 PM, Peter Carroll said:

looks like im walking freely about  in a den of snakes no less

I think you've got it a little backwards.   Jesus described the Pharisees, the leaders of his people, as a "brood of vipers". Matt 3:7   So, it is true that you are walking about in a den of snakes (no less), but the snakes, who "deceive the elect/chosen" and all JWs,  are your leaders.  Matt 24:24,25