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2 hours ago, Dwayne Reed said:

If death does not free the unrighteous from sin there would be no hope for the 'evildoer' that Jesus promised would be in paradise. (Luke 23:43)

"And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous." (Acts 24:15) 

The account in Luke, salvation  was given to that person with the faith in Jesus,  not because that man died. Context context context.

Acts 24 does not negate Hebrews 9,  it supports it. Paul was apealing to their knowledge they already had of the resurrection. 

2 hours ago, Dwayne Reed said:


What good would be served by raising millions of people from the dead whose former lives were filled with vile deeds, only to tell them that they are vile and then execute them? The indication of the Scriptures is that when Haʹdes gives up those dead in it, they will be ‘judged individually according to the deeds’ they do following their resurrection. (Rev. 20:13) The resurrection will afford them an opportunity to live.

You are reading into the text your view of "following the resurrection ". It is not there and if you read the chapter instead of just the verse you will see that it isn't there.

2 hours ago, Dwayne Reed said:

 

As Hebrews 9:27, 28, “it is reserved for men to die once for all time” due to sin inherited from Adam, “but after this a judgment” that is made possible by the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ and that gives men the opportunity

Salvation is known and owned this side of the grave. 1 John 5:13. It's not some later opportunity. 

2 hours ago, Dwayne Reed said:

 

Those who practices vile things will be granted the opportunity to change their ways and gain salvation, but in the case of those who do not do so, it will become evident at the time of that final test that theirs was a ‘resurrection of condemnatory judgment.’

The opportunity is now not later, by then it is too late. Once you die, that's it, no second chance or else Jesus died for nothing. 

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Kurt....I personally want to thank you for your honest and open opinion of the publication....WHAT DOES THE BIBLE TEACH?.and Yes, I am one of Jehovahs Witnesses. You are so right that this book gives

Actually, Hebrews 13:8 says, "Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever."  That has another to do with whether he had a beginning or not. Jesus did not become the way to salvation until

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Actually, Jesus ransom sacrifice is the reason why there is a chance for those who have already died.

Just think of how many have died that never had the opportunity to put faith in Jesus. Jesus did not become "the way" until the first century.

We are all very fortunate you are not one of the judges of "the living and the dead."

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2 hours ago, Dwayne Reed said:

Actually, Jesus ransom sacrifice is the reason why there is a chance for those who have already died.

Just think of how many have died that never had the opportunity to put faith in Jesus.

Jesus already spoke to those who have died. 1 Peter 4:6 tells us this. Also in Hebrews 11 scripture tells us of the OT saints who believed by faith, however they were given the same gospel that we have so that we and them would be the same, with one faith. 

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Jesus did not become "the way" until the first century.

Actually no, Jesus was "the way" from eternity. Hebrews 13:8 tells us this. He did not become, He always was. 

 

Again, you have not supported a resurrection DURING the thousand year reign. 

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Nice try...

1 Peter 4:6 is not about anyone physically dead. No amount of preaching would have benefited physically dead humans because, as Ecclesiastes 9:5 says, they “are conscious of nothing at all,” and Psalm 146:4 adds that at death a person’s “thoughts do perish.” As mentioned before, Ephesians 2:1-7, 17 does refer to persons who were spiritually dead and who came to life spiritually as a result of accepting the good news.

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Actually, Hebrews 13:8 says, "Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever." 

That has another to do with whether he had a beginning or not.

Jesus did not become the way to salvation until he actually the paid ransom with his blood and presented it to his Father. Then those chosen for life in heaven were baptized in holy spirit. 

No one ascended before Jesus. 

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The context of 1 Peter 3:19 helps us to understand who Peter was talking about.

As verse 20 shows, he was speaking about disobedient angels. (compare Jude 6)

As verse 18 shows, Jesus had been resurrected - then he preached.

As pointed out early, no one in the grave are alive. No, Jesus was not preaching to any dead humans.

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26 minutes ago, Dwayne Reed said:

1 Peter 4:6 is not about anyone physically dead. No amount of preaching would have benefited physically dead humans because, as Ecclesiastes 9:5 says, they “are conscious of nothing at all,” and Psalm 146:4 adds that at death a person’s “thoughts do perish.” As mentioned before, Ephesians 2:1-7, 17 does refer to persons who were spiritually dead and who came to life spiritually as a result of accepting the good news.

Your Ecc quote is take out of context. If you read the chapter you will see this is talking about the ability to sin under the sun. that is the problem, your org keeps you in the dark by not taking things into context, but rather cherry picking scripture to support themselves. By this point you have been so indoctrinated you cannot see the context. I've already addressed your Ephesians quote, to which you had no reply really. 

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Actually, Hebrews 13:8 says, "Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever." 

That has another to do with whether he had a beginning or not.

Jesus did not become the way to salvation until he actually the paid ransom with his blood and presented it to his Father. Then those chosen for life in heaven were baptized in holy spirit. 

No one ascended before Jesus. 

if one had a beginning then they would not be the same from eternity. Don't side track this.

Jesus was salvation before anything was created. If that were not the case then Ephesians 1:4&5 would make no sense. A predestination doesn't happen after the fact. 

Once again, you have not supported a resurrection DURING the thousand year reign. The reason why is because you cannot. If you would like to continue to discuss the topic of Jesus and creation or anything else, please start a new thread. We've exhausted this one only to prove that the booklet "what does the bible really teach" is wrong, the Bible does not teach a resurrection during the thousand year reign. 

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Here again is where basic thinking ability is all that is needed.

There was no need for salvation or redemption until after Adam's disobedience. 

The more you reply the more you reveal it is your private interpretation that is in error.

 

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