DIVINE PLAN VS. ORGANIZATION

[Witness]

Thank you, @4Jah2me for bringing up Eccl 12:12!  

Within the last one hundred plus years, men who profess to represent Christ, have written many works of fiction about a “unique” idea called, “Jehovah’s earthly organization”. (Eccl 12:10-12; Matt 24:24) Before this apparently “thrilling” concept was ever born, the term “organization” was viewed as “wholly un-necessary”, for it would bind another’s conscience. The idea of “organization” was considered “out of harmony with the spirit of the divine plan”.

That divine plan, or administration, includes the Holy Ones built on The Body of Christ, and is the dwelling place of God’s Spirit. (Eph 1:4,5,9-14,18-23; 2:20-22; 1 Cor 3:16; 1 Cor 12:11,12,14,18,27,28)

Those brief days where God’s saints fully represented His spiritual house, have come and gone. It is interesting to reflect on the reputation of the man who spoke of God’s divine plan, and his relationship with the organization. He taught the truth outlined above, as well as obvious lies such as his teachings incorporating the pyramids. While today’s leaders reject it all, he is still praised as a loyal, faithful servant of God. However, all who are in agreement with these particular statements above, are viewed as not loyal or faithful to “Jehovah’s organization” but deserve spiritual “death” by disfellowshipping. (John 16:2; Rom 6:5; Heb 13:13; Rev 11:3,7; 13:11-15)

This concept, that contradicts the divine plan, requires earthly treasures to be procured and utilized, in order to house people from all nations; physically bringing them under several roofs - meeting places that are all said to belong to God. These are people deceived into believing they are whole-souled in their devotion to God. (Jer 23:16; Rom 1:20-22,25; 2 Thess 2:9)

In the early years, this brainchild continued to attract the “saints”, by using scripturally sound offerings of Christ’s truth, as bait for the hook. (Matt 5:6; 1 Pet 2:2)(Ps 141:9; Luke 17:23; Matt 24:24; 2 Tim 3:5; 2 Pet 2:1-3; Rev 13:11,12)

They were invited, welcomed, and told to watch and take part in God’s plan, as He uses an organization founded in the world of commerce, religion and politics, to accomplish His will. (2 Cor 11:3,4, 13-15;1 Tim 4:1; 2 Tim 3:5-7; Phil 3:18,19)

The saints, God’s priests of “Israel”, (1 Pet 2:5,9,10; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 5:10) eventually become residents in name only, because their time to “rule” will not occur until the Kingdom arrives, or so the leaders of this ingenious idea tell them. They have been consumed by a tally of millions who have joined what is now, a necessary “evil”. Lam 1:3,5,6

There is nothing wrong with believers in Christ gathering with anointed ones. It is prophesied to occur in the “last days”.( Zech 8:23; Isa 2:1-3) And, it is happening on the other side of the WT fence, never to be organized by man’s will. (Zech 4:6) What is wrong with the organization, (and this is only one point) is its leaders’ dismissal and trampling of God’s priests, gradually, over time. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 12:1-4; 16:13,14;20:7-9; Ezek 38:11,16; Rev 9:3,4)

It is part of the necessary evil, devised by Satan to declare accusations against them, in the sight of God. ( Job 1:9-11; Luke 22:31;6:22,23; Matt 24:15; 2 Thess 2:4; Dan 11:36; 7:25)

So as it is, JWs believe God uses earthly treasures under Satan’s control, to carry out His will, but does not use His chosen people to facilitate it – a priesthood under their High Priest, Jesus Christ.( Heb 2:17) In this scheme, even Christ appears to have chosen others to serve him – “Gentile” elders, who are said to “represent” God’s priesthood. (2 Chron 13:9; Ezek 8:5; 44:6-9)

Undoubtedly, this is out of harmony with the spirit of the divine plan, but in full harmony with a delusion that all anointed and those with them in the organization, are found participating in. (2 Thess 2:9-12; Rev 18:3)

Earthly treasures build an earthly organization, which needs men with natural instincts, to appoint men with the same innate desires. (Luke 4:5,6; James 3:15) As the early leader also expressed, the natural man must visibly see power at work accomplished by an organized people, holding fast to a written purpose and plan. A group of spiritual individuals are led by the Spirit of God, and not by man. (1 Cor 2:14) This takes faith, not in the power of self, but in the power of Christ. (2 Cor 12:9,10)

Those with earthly desires keep the organization up and running, appearing to administer teachings about God……or, is it to administer teachings about an organization? When it is viewed in this light, we must ask, why would God use His appointed priestly members of His heavenly Temple to fulfill their role as priests, in an organization advancing in the “kingdom” of Satan? (2 Cor 6:14-18)
 

He certainly would not divert from the plan He presented to us, through His Son. What we visibly see by the organization’s existence, is all the result of Satan’s craftiness. ( Isa 28:14,15; John 8:44)

This adulteration of one’s faith, has slyly slipped into the hearts of the anointed ones and their companions. (Isa 1:21; Jer 25:5-7,29) Men and their treasured fabrication has brought about the downfall of God’s saints, the “remaining ones of the woman’s seed”. (Dan 7:7,8,21) God’s people and companions with them, have fallen for Satan’s trap, and are led into an idolatrous act of giving worship to an “image”. (Lev 19:4; 1 Cor 10:7; 1 John 5:21) The “daily sacrifices” to be performed before God by his priests, are nonexistent. A counterfeit priesthood offers “abominations”, unto the Wild Beast of blasphemy, that they serve. (Rev 13:1,2)

 All of the early truth about organization as un-neccessary, has dissolved over time; and the organization today, at its peak of corruption, shows evidence of its peak as a blasphemous lie against God’s anointed, spiritual “organization” under Christ. (Rev 16:13,14)

As the record shows, there is a long list of failed teachings - falsehoods, rampant child abuse that is fought in the courts of the world, spiritual bloodshed through the judgment of “death”; involvement in the world of the nations, involvement in various world investments, the trampling down of God’s Temple in the anointed ones, the cold lack of love for the “poor” in heart, and a false sense of “peace and security” that veils its sins. ( Isa 56:10,11; 1 Thess 5:3)

It is all a cunning decoy by Satan, to derail the saints from serving God and Jesus Christ – whole souled. (Matt 22:36-38) God’s “overseers”, shepherds, priests of the divine plan under Christ, are the anointed ones. It is quite clear that an army of a visible organization has confiscated these roles for themselves.

The apostle Paul wept bitterly over the transgression of God’s spiritual “administration” to happen, after his time:

“And now I know that none of you, among whom I have gone about proclaiming the kingdom, will ever see my face again. 26 Therefore I declare to you this day that I am not responsible for the blood of any of you, 27 for I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole purpose of God. 28 Keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock, of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son. (Rev 5:9,10) 29 I know that after I have gone, savage wolves will come in among you,not sparing the flock. 30 Some even from your own group will come distorting the truth in order to entice the disciples to follow them. 31 Therefore be alert, remembering that for three years I did not cease night or day to warn everyone with tears.” Acts 20:25-31

“distorting the truth” - to oppose, plot against the saving purposes and plans of God.

 

"Woe to the sinful nation,
a people whose guilt is great,
a brood of evildoers,
children given to corruption!
They have forsaken the Lord;
they have spurned the Holy One of Israel
and turned their backs on him.

Wash and make yourselves clean.
Take your evil deeds out of my sight;
stop doing wrong.
17 Learn to do right; seek justice.
Defend the oppressed.
Take up the cause of the fatherless;
plead the case of the widow.

See how the faithful city
has become a prostitute!
She once was full of justice;
righteousness used to dwell in her—
but now murderers!
22 Your silver has become dross,
your choice wine is diluted with water.
23 Your rulers are rebels,
partners with thieves;
they all love bribes
and chase after gifts.
They do not defend the cause of the fatherless;
the widow’s case does not come before them.

I will turn my hand against you;
I will thoroughly purge away your dross
and remove all your impurities.
26 I will restore your leaders as in days of old,
your rulers as at the beginning.
Afterward you will be called
the City of Righteousness,
the Faithful City.”

27 Zion will be delivered with justice,
her penitent ones with righteousness.
28 But rebels and sinners will both be broken,
and those who forsake the Lord will perish."

Isaiah, chapter 1

 

There is a well-known saying, “all that glitters is not gold”. When I was a young child camping along mountain streams with my family, I was fascinated with the flecks of the mineral pyrite that swirled in the shallows by the banks. I waded those streams for hours, sweeping up waves of glitter with my feet. Although I had learned early on that pyrite is “fool’s gold” as my father told me, I was still delighted by its ability to catch the sun’s light and dance gracefully through the water. Jesus knew that in the last days his people would be captivated by the false light of Satan’s ministers, offering the “gold” of fools, found swirling in a river of lies. (2 Cor 11:13,14; Dan 11:10; Luke 17:21; Rev 12:15)

He says,

“Because you say, ‘I’m rich; I have become wealthy and need nothing,’ and you don’t know that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked, 18 I advise you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire so that you may be rich, white clothes so that you may be dressed and your shameful nakedness not be exposed, and ointment to spread on your eyes so that you may see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and discipline. So be committed and repent.” Rev 3:17-18

 

Please consider Mal 3:1-4
When the last of the 144000 candidates are chosen (previous to being sealed), Satan creates an impossible spiritual climate (Great Tribulation). All these last ones, in ignorance, fall into sin (Matt 25:5; Isa 63:5; 59:16; Ezek 22:30; Jer 5:1; 8:6; Ezek 13:5; 14:14,20).

If it were not for Christ standing up in our behalf (Dan 12:1; Psa 94:17; 13:3; Rev 13:7-9), we would have been finished (Matt 24:4,22).

If you will notice in Mal 3:1,3...Jesus goes to his "temple" to cleanse them of this sin. Only those "written in the book" (Dan 12:1 d) will receive this "rescue". Who are they?
Rev 13:8,14 and Rev 20:4,15; 14:9,10; 15:2; 19:20   help us to see what is involved.

Those deemed worthy of rescue (Mal 3:16; Nahum 1:13; Ps 107:10,14; 86:13; Jer 30:8; 1 Pet 2:9,10; Rev 9:6,10,14),

are those whose heart can repent of the idolatry of the Image of the Beast (Joe. 1:13; Rev 11:3; Mal 2:4; Isa 22:12; Jer 4:8; Ezek 7:18; 21:12; Joel 1:8,9; 2:14).   Pearl Doxsey

 

 

 

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[Arauna]

On 1/17/2020 at 9:51 AM, Witness said:

That divine plan, or administration

According to your divine plan - the oversight of the divine purpose....there must not be books! No videos! Every anointed will do oversight in front of their computer (because they are all over the world- so they will most probably do oversight on computer) and no books or videos will be published because every anointed will be attached to few thousand people on internet whom they will be teaching.

If one of these anointed gets a big head and decides to make a following  for himself with his  own ideas..... there will be no central oversight to correct apostacy.... brilliant idea! Then you can really get an important role!

On 1/17/2020 at 9:51 AM, Witness said:

leaders’ dismissal and trampling of God’s priests, gradually

They are anointed for the job of priesthood but they have not yet been baptized in the death of christ to give up flesh to become priests in heaven. Yes they are part of body of christ but they do not function as priests here on earth..... what do we call them?  Father?  Mrs priest?

On 1/17/2020 at 9:51 AM, Witness said:

cold lack of love for the “poor” in heart, and

Yes- You are not out there feeling sorry for the poor in heart but sitting on internet the entire day calling out a body which does not want to have anything to do with you. Your "priestly function" seems sadly neglected. You do not need the GB to do it if you are a true priest. Get your following and be a priestess to them !

The total impracticality of your gripe with the GB and how you think the  'priests ' should now function indicates to me that you do not understand the divine plan or the divine administration.

[Witness]

When pondering over how to answer you, I realized I have to keep in mind that your own caustic, sweeping attacks against me, can be influenced by your age, and pain that you suffer from. It can be from your experiences throughout your life.  Your relief is found through the organization; its people and its teachings.  So, it is a must that you must defend its rulership and its teachings, no matter if they have proven to be false (rotten – Matt 7:15-20).  It is my purpose to defend God and Christ and Truth. 

Books and videos produced by the organization mean nothing if they hold lies. Jesus Christ does not offer something called “truth”, only to be found a few years later that it was a lie.  Men do these things, who have no Holy Spirit within their heart. 

“But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.”  1 John 2:27

To say the organization speaks truth is blasphemy against Holy Spirit - the Spirit of God and Jesus. Rev 13:1,5

Jesus sent his first priests, the foundation of the Temple, to preach:

The eleven disciples traveled to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had directed them. ¹⁷ When they saw him, they worshiped, but some doubted. ¹⁸ Jesus came near and said to them, “All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth. ¹⁹ Go, therefore, and make disciples ofall nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, ²⁰ teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

Do you see that it was Christ’s priests who were given this commission?  They were to teach and baptize accordingly.  This was their active ministry, one that each anointed is responsible to carry out, down to today.  Who baptizes in the organization?  And who do those who are baptized, dedicate themselves to?  

 

5 hours ago, Arauna said:

If  one of these anointed gets a big head and decides to make a following  for himself with his  own ideas.....

It is only your "priests" who lead you, that say God's priesthood must stop acting as His priests. 

In his prayer to God:

^“ Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. ¹⁸ As you sent me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. ¹⁹ I sanctify myself for them, so that they also may be sanctified by the truth.”  John 17:17,18

If the anointed are “sanctified” by God’s Truth, and they realize that others are not teaching God’s Truth, their defense should be made for His Word in Christ. 

³ For although we live in the flesh, we do not wage war according to the flesh, ⁴ since the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh , but are powerful through God for the demolition of strongholds. We demolish arguments ⁵ and every proud thing that is raised up against the knowledge of God, and we take every thought captive to obey Christ.  2 Cor 10:3-5

The apostles taught the “called” ones, how to carry out this will of God. They set the precedence of this mission.  They fulfilled their role as priests during their lifetime. 

Therefore I, the prisoner in the Lord, urge you to live worthy of the calling you have received, ² with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, ³ making every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. ⁴ There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to one hope at your calling— ⁵ one Lord, one faith, one baptism, ⁶ one God and Father of all, who is above all and through all and in all.

⁷ Now grace was given to each one of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift. ⁸ For it says:

When he ascended on high,
he took the captives captive;
he gave gifts to people.

⁹ But what does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower parts of the earth? ¹⁰ The one who descended is also the one who ascended far above all the heavens, to fill all things. ¹¹ And he himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, ¹² equipping the saints for the work of ministry, to build up the body of Christ, ¹³ until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of God’s Son, growing into maturity with a stature measured by Christ’s fullness.  Eph 4:1-13

The anointed in the organization are captivated by a belief system, a “stronghold” that tells them not to carry out their mission as priests.  Each gift that is designated to “Israel’s” priests is now taught as gifts given to “Gentile” elders. (this is in your magazines)  Their mission to preach truth they received, poured  into their hearts upon their anointing, is not used. (Matt 25:1-4,19) They are told they “do not necessarily have more holy spirit than anyone else” (also in your magazines).  This cinches the deal, doesn't it.  Stop being priests and be our slaves to false teachings.  That is essentially what your organization is telling them.  Paul NEVER taught this.  (Rom 6:16) The elders have taken the role of priests instead, apparently “anointed” by men.  (2 Chron 13:9) They have assumed this ministry belongs to them, and not to Christ’s priesthood. Should this role stop simply because men say so?  There is no scripture to indicate that God’s priests must succumb to the wishes of men. ( Ezek 44:6-9)

Every faithful priest since the first century, was found faithful for their defense of Truth.  Daniel prophesied that the “fourth Beast”, Revelation’s Beast from the Sea, would “make war” against the saints – against the anointed priesthood. (Rev 13:5-7) This war is not with literal weapons, but with lies spoken against them.  (Rev 16:13,14)  It is a time of rebellion against God’s Temple arrangement in Christ, and is being carried out in your organization.  Rev 11:1,2; 2 Thess 2:3,4

It set itself up to be as great as the commander of the army of the Lord; it took away the daily sacrifice from the Lord, and His sanctuary was thrown down. ¹² Because of rebellion, the Lord’s people^[a] and the daily sacrifice were given over to it. It prospered in everything it did, and truth was thrown to the ground.

This truth that is thrown down, is God’s Truth – “sanctify them by truth, your word is truth”.  It is replaced by false teachings, “demonic expressions” from false “christs” – your leaders who tell the priests they are not to mature, not to gather and bond as one Body in Christ.  (Matt 24:24)

To summarize, did anyone tell the first priests of God’s Temple built on the Son of God, that they were not to act as priests? (Matt 16:18,19)   Did the apostles teach them not to gather together and be as one Body under Christ?  Your organization teaches oppression and dark lies against the anointed.  The anointed that I know, who have joined Christ,  now realize the meaning of 1 Pet 2:5-10

 As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him— ⁵ you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. ⁶ For in Scripture it says:

“See, I lay a stone in Zion,
    a chosen and precious cornerstone,
and the one who trusts in him
    will never be put to shame.”

 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe,

“The stone the builders rejected
    has become the cornerstone,”

⁸ and,

“A stone that causes people to stumble
    and a rock that makes them fall.”

They stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for.

⁹ But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. ¹⁰ Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.”  

 A priest is to declare truth – God’s Truth, and give Him praise and glory.  And, if the priests, “living stones” are rejected as they are in the organization, so is the chief cornerstone.  They are members of “one Body”.  1 Cor chapter 12

 

 

 

[Arauna]

2 hours ago, Witness said:

influenced by your age, and pain that you suffer from. It can be

No pity for me thank you. I learn from pain and then move on. I hold no grudges or feel self-righteous anger or any if those self-destructive emotions.

I am a JW, not because I need a crutch as you are trying to insinuate, but because I understand what they teach and happen to agree with them.  I do not claim to be anointed  but have enough logic and common sense to see through your ploys.

I have seen the same symptoms before .... most 'apostates' fall victim to the same traits. Unfortunately someone close me had them.

 

[Witness]

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

I do not claim to be anointed  but have enough logic and common sense to see through your ploys.

I have seen the same symptoms before .... most 'apostates' fall victim to the same traits. Unfortunately someone close me had them.

 

"The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule by their own authority. My people love it like this. But what will you do at the end of it?   Jer 5:31

As far as I know, there are two types of apostates, those who reject doctrine of men, such as “taught by Jehovah’s Witnesses”, as the "Shepherd the Flock of God" book states,

and as defined in the Bible -  those who reject God’s Word - His commandments given us through His Son. 

"There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day."  John 12:48

There is no denial that the organization’s leaders have “prophesied falsely”.  Your “priests”/elders rule by their own authority, by replacing God’s chosen priests.  JWs seem to prefer it this way. 

It is better to be labeled as an apostate by men, who speak against God’s Truth...

...than as one who is found speaking against God's Truth in Christ, and spoken by the apostles. 

If I continue to uphold  and am obedient to Christ's words, I am not an apostate before God.  No one is.  

 

"and all of them will be justly judged for believing falsehood, refusing the Truth, and enjoying their sins."  2 Thess 2:12