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I will include scripture references from now on if it pleases you. ( @Witness expressed similar sentiments as to wondering why I don't include the chapter and verse all the time. I told her that Jesus didn't, since back then there were no divisions yet into chapter and verse, and that just because the Watchtower does it in their publications doesn't mean we have to.)

I am not against always putting the chapter/verse reference, I'm just lazy. 🙂 But I will include them from now on, if you wish.

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I have some photos from touring the Bible museum...if you're interested...(the last two pictures are from a different exhibit there with the little Bible Simone Liebster read secretly during WWII when she was taken away from her parents - she hid it under the bed of one of the house mistresses and read it while she was supposed to be cleaning under the bed. Jehovah's Word and spirit strengthened her throughout that ordeal. She loved reading God's Word. I do, too.💖)

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Scriptures Cited on Page 1 of this thread...

 

Box: The "Sevens" of Revelation

 

7 Seals/Thunders - Revelation 6:1-17; 8:1-6; 10:1-4

7 Trumpets - Revelation 8:6-13; 9:1-21; 10:7

7 Bowls/Plagues - Revelation 15:1; 16:1-21; 17:1-18

 

Jesus taught that our Love should Overcome our Prejudice: Luke 10:25-37

 

We must obey God as ruler rather than men: Acts 5:29

 

By their fruits you will recognize them: Matthew 7:16

 

I do not request you take them out of world: John 17:15

 

Paul's words regarding living in the world: 1 Corinthians 5:9,10

 

Paul's words regarding not eating with unrepentant at Memorial: 1 Corinthians 5:8

 

Jesus said love enemies: Luke 6:35-37

 

Pay back Caesar's things and God's things: Matthew 22:21

 

Jesus has authority: Matthew 28:18

 

Follow Jesus: 1 Peter 2:21; John 10:27; Matthew 10:38

 

Command to show love: John 13:34

 

False teachers exploit: 2 Peter 2:1-3

 

Christ slaved for others: Philippians 2:3-8

 

We must lower ourselves and minister to others: Matthew 10:25-28

 

A man is valuable, help him: Matthew 12:11-12

 

Regarding anointed who fall away: Hebrews 6:4-6

 

Anointed who fall away and deny love of the Christ: 1 John 2:18-21

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False teachers in congregation greedily exploit Jehovah's worshippers: 2 Peter 2:1-3

 

Jesus called false teachers snakes: Matthew 12:34

 

First seal opened: Revelation 6:1,2

 

Jehu offed Jezebel as soon as received throne: 2 Kings 9:1-37

 

False teachers in congregation saying "peace and security": 1 Thessalonians 5:1-5

 

In the conclusion of this system Jesus will clean congregation: Matthew 13:39-43

 

False teachers in congregation are like wolves: Matthew 7:15-20

 

Sixth bowl poured out, regarding Babylon's Euphrates protection removed: Revelation 16:12

 

Sixth trumpet, regarding angels untied from Euphrates: Revelation 9:13-21

 

Restraint presently from removing apostasy in organization: 2 Thessalonians 2:6-12

 

Angels ready to let go winds of destruction after anointed sealed: Revelation 7:1-3

 

Evidence of apostasy is saying "day of Jehovah" (aka enthronement of Jesus) invisibly started already before organization was cleaned: 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4

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Wolves in congregation are some of the elders: Matthew 7:15; Acts 20:29; Jude 10-13

 

Bossy elders who kick others out of the congregation are bad: 3 John 9,10

 

Some bad elders meddle by making non-scriptural rules in the congregation and not working secularly: 2 Thessalonians 3:6-12

 

Jesus did not accept titles from men or fancy prominence: John 5:41-44

 

Real glory is related to real love and light, burning love in heart from Jehovah's loving holy spirit: Luke 24:32

 

Moses was so close to Jehovah's love/glory that he emitted light: Exodus 34:29-35

 

Love is like an inextinguishable burning bright fire, warm and strong, like Jehovah, who is the Source of Love: Song of Solomon 8:6,7

 

John spoke of love: 1 John 1:2-7; 2:9-12; 3:1,10-24; 4:7-21

 

We reflect Jehovah's glory when we love: 2 Corinthians 3:18

 

False teachers in congregation worship God in vain when they teach false doctrines: Matthew 15:9; Mark 7:7

 

Jehovah loved us before we loved Him: 1 John 4:10

 

We are commanded to love others before they love us: John 13:34

 

Love does not have fear; don't be afraid to love people: 1 John 4:16-19

 

Fear of disappointing the governing body or fear of disappointing the crowd or others is an idol that prevents us from showing love: 1 John 4:21

 

Jehovah has affection for you: John 16:27

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Heart can be like figurative "radio telescope" to detect Jehovah's love: Proverbs 4:23

 

Prayer that the figurative "eyes of your heart" are opened to the light: Ephesians 1:15-19

 

Jehovah's holy spirit, though invisible like "infrared", can still guide us if we "see" it: Psalm 119:105

 

Jehovah draws hearts to Him by means of that "invisible" gravitational spirit force of love: John 6:44,65; Matthew 16:17; John 16:27; Hosea 11:4

 

We have to "circumcise" our hearts in order to be sensitive enough to the spirit: Romans 2:29; Deuteronomy 10:16; Deuteronomy 30:6; Jeremiah 4:4; (negative example of uncircumcised hearts at Acts 7:51)

 

To bear pain of "circumcision of the heart" we need God's help: Philippians 4:13

 

Need heart of a young child to truly understand Jehovah and His Word: Mark 10:15; Luke 18:17; Matthew 11:25-27; Luke 10:21-22

 

Example - to understand Jehovah's reaction to census sin, need heart of child that recognized Jehovah does not change, He hates abuse and the people of David's time had allowed abuse: 1 Chronicles 21:1-15; Deuteronomy 32:4; Leviticus 26:1-33; Deuteronomy 18:10; Jeremiah 32:35; Leviticus 18:1-30

 

Jehovah hates child abuse and all other kinds of abuse, He will take vengeance: Romans 12:19; Hebrews 10:30; Deuteronomy 32:35; Revelation 16:4-7

 

Many little sheep have been stumbled by those taking the lead in the organization but Jesus will throw down from their place the ones causing the stumbling: Luke 17:1,2; Mark 9:42; Matthew 18:1-7; Revelation 18:21

 

All the bad elements in the organization will "melt" just as Jehovah washed away all those taking the lead in bad things in the past by means of a flood: 2 Peter 3:5-16; 2:1-3, 13-19; Jude 11-13; 2 Timothy 2:20; 2 Timothy 3:1-13; Revelation 8:8,9

 

Jesus will use the angels to remove any Jezebel-like or Baalam-like wicked elders from their lording it over the flock during the great tribulation: Matthew 8:12; Matthew 25:30; Luke 13:28; Matthew 22:13, Revelation 2:5,14,15,20-23; 3:1-3

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Scriptures Cited on Page 5 of this thread...

 

Attack of UN on all false religious institutions: Revelation 9:1-11

 

Locusts in Joel's prophecy were soldiers from pagan nations used by God to attack Jehovah's Name People for their disobedience and wickedness and abuse of others: Joel 1:1-20, 2:1-11

 

The "star" that falls, also called the king of the locusts and Abaddon/Apollyon is Satan: Revelation 12:3,4; Joshua 22:20; Joshua 7:26 footnote "Achor"; John 17:12

 

Governing body is asleep to the coming destruction on the organization: 1 Thessalonians 5:1-6; 2 Thessalonians 2:8-13

 

The GB didn't obey Jesus' direction: Luke 22:25,26; Mark 10:42-44

 

Another plague will be hail, in past hail was described as coming upon unfaithful ones in God's organization for their refusal to do good, because they abused others and did other naughty things while claiming to represent Jehovah: Isaiah 28:1-29

 

The figurative hail in Revelation will do the same, clear away the lies and make clear Jehovah's anger on those bloodguilty ones who falsely claimed to represent Him: Revelation 8:7

 

Jehovah allowed the nations to destroy the physical parts of His Name People in the past because of them allowing abuse and doing other really bad things while claiming to represent Jehovah: 2 Chronicles 36:19; Lamentations 1:1-22; 2:1-22

 

Jehovah has not changed, He will again cleanse His Name People by allowing the nations to be the instrument of His wrath against the bad stuff going on in the organization: Isaiah 28:21; Jeremiah 2:11; Malachi 3:6

 

Wickedness will be taken out of God's Name People: Zechariah 5:5-11; Matthew 13:24-30,36-43; Psalm 92:7

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