Genesis 6:21 and pre-flood food?

[Pudgy]

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[Many Miles]

15 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

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Pudgy, if you see a false equivalency from me please draw a circle around it and point it out. 

You can start here, if you see one:

 

[Many Miles]

Hopefully I'm not outside acceptable boundaries by citing the source I'm about to cite. If I am, please just let me know.

Today I was shown a recent article published by Rolf Furuli. His article addresses the biblical account of Noah and the great flood. Specifically he cites Genesis 6:21 and then he says, "Neither Noah nor the animals ate meat, so only plants were taken into the Ark as food."

- So we have this: No meat.

- More stringently, we have this: Only plants.

So, what about milk? What about water? What about natural earth elements such as mineral deposits (e.g., salt licks).

Because the Genesis account said humans could use plants as food, is that supposed to mean that was the only thing humans could consume as food?

[Pudgy]

Your observation is based on the non credibility of Rolf Furuli … unless he has Polaroid photos of the storage areas aboard the Ark.

Arthur C. Clarke's three laws are:

1. "When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong."

2. "The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible."

3. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

[Matthew9969]

For sure babies ate at booger king!

[Many Miles]

1 hour ago, Pudgy said:

Your observation is based on the non credibility of Rolf Furuli …

I've not suggested Furuli as a credible source on the topic. He's just one of many who've expressed the same or similar notion.

When it comes to personal experiences he's shared, I find no reason to doubt his testimony, though there is always another perspective to every experience. But some of his deductions of evidence are unsound. His idea of what the peri-flood Noah did not use as food is an unevidenced assertion. He uses this as a supporting premise, but it assumes a great deal.

[John Houston]

Wow! 12 posts later, by the greatest minds on this site! I read and re-read the premises put forth. And all want to be correct when spoken. Which is human, yet flawed, right? None of us were there in either the garden, or after the their explusion, nor during the days of Noah, or after the Flood, am I right? We personally do not have first hand knowledge of those eating habits during those times. So inflecting our own modern way on those times would be in error, right? Can we argue against God's inspire Word? Should we?

Adam and Eve and ALL the animal lifefroms around them were given the same order to eat vegetation, NOT ech other! Nothing said about milk, either wine , beer, or any other product of the vine or grain as we know it. Yet did Adam being more perfect than Noah or us, could he have know of these things? What info we have is they were given 'vegetation' to EAT!

After they sinned, animals were used to clothed their naked bodies, so carcesses was fodder for creation that was created to remove them from the landscape. We all know these creatures, winged, crawling and underground. Knowing that animal life existed for only a time, bodies decayed and there was created protocol to remove these bodies and return them to nature. That is common sense!

During the days that were deemed beyond evil, did people begin to step over what Jehovah God stated as man's diet was? The angels who left their position, brought opposition to Jehovah's way of things even to man's diet, maybe to begin eating meat, even going out hunting down live animals! Ever thought of this? When Noah was instructed to bring food aboard the ark for his family and the animals, he had the time; and the animals were directed to him by Jehovah God himself, so just as Jehovah made sure the 5000 was fed during the miracle performed by Jesus, the same power was involved here during the time of the ark. Various animals, ALL created by the Creator of all things summoned by Him to this site, for His purpose. The animals would survive the travail of the Flood, because Jehovah was involved in the entire process. Noah did just so, we always bring that up, but Jehovah also did what was necessary to accomplish his will.

Nothing before the Flood, mentions Jehovah telling man to eat flesh of any animal, nor that of any animal. Yet we know that dead flesh was taken care of, because Jehovah is a God of order, right? There was no angel zapping dead animal bodies, doing janitorial duty in the garden or around the globe. dead bodies contributed to the carbon in the earth, returning to the dust they were created from.

After the Flood Jehovah God gave the direction to Noah (MAN), that the eating of animal flesh was permitted, but not the blood. The countenance of animals would change since now we would hunt them for food, there would be a fear of us.

Yes, common sense is welcomed in these type of discussions, also not leaving out the most important piece--JEHOVAH GOD!, either. Logic is not lost when Jehovah God is included in any of our discussions. Try it more often, it is refreshing!                    AGAPE!

[Many Miles]

9 minutes ago, John Houston said:

Adam and Eve and ALL the animal lifefroms around them were given the same order to eat vegetation, NOT ech other! Nothing said about milk, either wine , beer, or any other product of the vine or grain as we know it. Yet did Adam being more perfect than Noah or us, could he have know of these things? What info we have is they were given 'vegetation' to EAT! [Emphasis added by Many Miles]

So what does common sense tell you about the equipment God created Eve with in order to feed her offspring? Was she designed to feed her offspring milk?

11 minutes ago, John Houston said:

Nothing before the Flood, mentions Jehovah telling man to eat flesh of any animal, nor that of any animal. Yet we know that dead flesh was taken care of, because Jehovah is a God of order, right? There was no angel zapping dead animal bodies, doing janitorial duty in the garden or around the globe. dead bodies contributed to the carbon in the earth, returning to the dust they were created from.

So, as created by God, what in nature returns dead bodies to the dust they were created from? Did this involve any eating? What does common sense tell you?

13 minutes ago, John Houston said:

Yes, common sense is welcomed in these type of discussions, also not leaving out the most important piece--JEHOVAH GOD!, either. Logic is not lost when Jehovah God is included in any of our discussions.

Indeed. Let's apply all three in response to the questions posed above. Namely, common sense, God, and logic.

[John Houston]

MANYMILES:

I read your reply to my comments as I was eating a late breakfast. Nothing in my comments ruled out that Eve would breastfeed her children, Not since I myself was one.

We know from the Scriptural record again, that plant life was their source of food, the sustenance of living, not meat. I have always had a belief that meat would be added to the menu later, as more humans began to fill the earth. Everything Jehovah does is orderly, right?

I stated that dead bodies of animals would have to be gotten rid of in some way naturally that even we know about. I stated no animal was hunting any other animals for food in the garden or outside, their main source of sustenance was the vegetation that abounded on planet earth before the flood, but animals died, their decaying bodies were removed as we see such bodies removed today; flying carrion birds, scavenger mammals, maggots and underground bugs and worms that dispose of the bone, also. Returning it all to the dust!

If your reply to my comments implied I did not take in account for common sense, Jehovah God, and logic that would be incorrect. But if I read your actions to my comments wrong in any way, then I am incorrect, right?    AGAPE!

[John Houston]

GEORGE:

We know that there were NO children birthed in the garden, but there was sex happening there, just no fruitage of their actions. The garden had everything they needed to provide for any and all children born there. It was the MOST blessed piece of earth in existence at the time! And they were to expand it all over the globe with their children. 

And you asked, do all women do? Not now in this imperfect world, but in a perfect one YES! They ovulate, produce eggs and when it meets the sperm, begins the cycle of life. Not dividing into twins and such, just one child at a time! We have eternity before us, no need for a rush of being a nation of many as the stars or the sands on a beach, death will be no more another factor removed, before the human family.

We can fill the earth, the new earth, as Jehovah purposed, our perfect bodies functioning beyond what we now can even imagine. And that part sometimes scares some to think about.                                           AGAPE.

[Many Miles]

6 minutes ago, John Houston said:

Nothing in my comments ruled out that Eve would breastfeed her children...

Speak plainly. Does your comment above yield that it was permitted for humans to eat milk though, as you said, there was nothing said about milk?

8 minutes ago, John Houston said:

...but animals died, their decaying bodies were removed as we see such bodies removed today; flying carrion birds, scavenger mammals, maggots and underground bugs and worms that dispose of the bone, also. Returning it all to the dust!

Birds, scavenger mammal, maggots, bugs and worms are all part of the animal kingdom, yet as you suggested earlier, there was nothing said about animals eating meat. Yet carrion is meat.

Hence, despite nothing be said explicitly about eating things other than vegetation, other foods were eaten other than vegetation and eating these was neither contrary to creation nor was doing so sin.

It sounds like you agree that meat was a food eaten prior to the flood. According to you, carrion birds, scavenger mammals, maggots, bugs and worms (all these are animals) were eating meat long before the flood.