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@JW Insider It's only a matter of time when Google and others dwell even further into A.I. and Robotics. Do not trust A.I. Technology. The general public are unaware, even ignorant on this notion.

Seconded. Some who has no idea who are conspiracy theorist who spread misinformation has no idea of the giant monster that hides under their bed, in this case, within the very fabric of the government and their connections, or that of the global mafia. Only a few people speak the truth of what this is, but not all. The Dark Web is a place you do not want to go to and I say this because of experience in my younger years, this was some months after 9/11 well into my early teens. On the surface some go their to look for things they cannot find on the normal internet, others uses the dark web for easy access to prostitution or sell oneself into prostitution, other instances regarding money exchange, etc. Going deeper into the Dark Web however, is a whole other beast altogether, some corners far darker and mental conflicting than the other. If I had to compare it something, the deeper you go it is like going to the deepest parts of the ocean whereas there is no light and the fish down there looks like something out of a monster movie. It is so dark it is like the sun has gone out, and if we have to get biblical, Exodus 10:21–23 whereas the deepest and darkest corners of the dark web can be felt, even mentally. That being said, if you want my advise, it is better for someone to explain it to you in full detail rather that going there yourself if you are unprepared of what you will stumble upon.

Les anges ont célébré la naissance de Jésus combien de fois? Les anges étaient déjà au courant de la venue du Messie. Nulle part ils ne se sont organisés pour célébrer l'anniversaire de Jésus avant sa mort. Et où, dans les évangiles, Jésus demande de fêter son anniversaire? Il ne nous a pas vieux pour fêter son anniversaire, si quelque chose nous a dit de nous rappeler sa mort. Et où il dit que c'était le 25 décembre? Les Romains ont trompé les gens. Jésus n'est jamais né à cette date.

Were you that unaware of why and when those men showed up? It was not due to a Birthday celebration, no, it is because of what the people had been hearing about, learning about for years upon years regarding a prophet of whom God will put His Word in this prophet's mouth, the very man who is of the Seed, the very one whom is to be the coming Messiah - the one every man, woman and child was waiting for. It would be wise to re-read the passage and why they felt the one they deem of high importance is whom and why they gave the gifts. More so, clearly them being out there, it was not December, according to the Jewish Calendar and what the Bible tells us. As for my response, it pertains to what I had told someone regarding Christmas some months ago and how early Christians banned the holiday and it's practice, considering it "Unchristian" Ok, regarding birthdays clearly there was no mention of Jesus celebrating it - anywhere. The only thing Jesus had instruct us to focus on is his death and what it means. I doubt Jesus would want anything to do with the Temple of Diana and it's practices. You referring to Romans 14:5 which reads One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. cross-references being Luke 1:1, Romans 4:21, 14:23, Galatians 14:23, and Colossians 2:16. As we can see, we do not see any account, on Jesus' part, celebrating his birth or that of others. The Jews, prior to Jesus knew of the coming Messiah, but when and where it was unknown until Jesus was born, for they knew what the horn of salvation is - The Messiah, the one called the Christ, Jesus. That being said, the verse in question was more focused on the Sabbath with all, if not most, pertaining to it, no Birthdays or Christmas. Does this include God himself? Granted with how strong His disdain for pagan practices was, one instance where God Himself emotionally reacted as read in the Old Testament? You do realize what God has said about such ones who do not turn away from doing these things - right? It is not about judging, it is about proclaiming the truth of the Bible, what God Himself had said should such people do not turn from such things - it is as clear as day, Mr. Butler, this should not have been ignored by you. Of course they breathe, but it did not stop them for stopping the breathing of God's people in ancient times, turning them into targets, subduing them into immoral and disgusting practices and so forth. Should you say anything, you days to walk the earth will be numbered, on the other side of the spectrum, such ones if you were alive in those days, would consider your death a blessing. Pagan practices should NOT INTERTWINE with Christianity, not even 0.1% of it. God's people in the past didn't leave a single idol in the temple, so should we, granted that such things offend God greatly, therefore, we adhere to what God our Father says, he detests such things, we should not be ignorant or turn a blind eye to such things. They may seem harmless to you, but likewise that of the Temple of Diana and her disgusting practices, it can affect people, in this case, God's people. You can play games with children, Super Mario, Zelda, Megaman, what have you, but you cannot play games with God - it will not let that slide. That being said, you have to realize that such things, mainly if you are not cautious and aware can spell danger for you, and give you an influence of carelessness in this domain - do not be THAT guy. Unfortunately, they are not my ideas. God's disdain for such practices that dwell with evil spirits and or the like is something he hates, a strong hatred for, which has been proven clear in the Old Testament. People are lucky today because they have a chance of repentance, so us as Christians, it is a duty to teach people what is right, righting their wrongs, should they accept it. Should they continue on such a path, adhering to pagan practices that never originated with the church, or that of what the Romans had perverted into Christianity - that person will deal with God. You knowing they do such things and not doing something to convince them to leave such practices only puts you in subjection. There is no middle ground and you cannot be for both sides. Regarding birthdays, it is not unknown to anyone that God is not a fan of false gods, in this case, goddess: https://greekgodsandgoddesses.net/goddesses/artemis/ So consider such as a warning so you too can warn others, this also goes for Christmas that has nothing to do with the Christ.

Indeed, I am knowledgeable, and yet time and time again I state I am a follower of the Christ, who seeks truth in the Scriptures, a slave servant to the True God and so forth. I don't see how I was not clear for over a dozen plus times in this regard. Now for the questions [A] Yes it is necessary to have wisdom, or as you put it, spiritual wisdom, so you can spot truths and untruths, as well as dealing with people who profess a false teaching and or practice, which 1 John 4:1 can come into play when testing the spirit. This also goes hand in hand with the truth of something outside of the realm of the Bible, hence why I am vocal and speak strongly against conspiracy and or false information, a number of times on this forums and elsewhere. God wants us to have wisdom, to be knowledgeable. When it comes to Scripture, I can sum up everything in a single verse 2 Timothy 3:16 - All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, Therefore, you have to be wise, when it comes to people who preach God is a woman, or those who preach that drinking poison makes you a True Christian, and or those who preach Adam has more than one wife, and a list of other false doctrines and heresies known to man. Speak the truth against untruths, that is what I do, and as someone who is technically a truther, I speak against conspiracy and falsehood also. One does not need higher education to study the Bible. A poor homeless man can teach you Scripture when his only educational background is middle school level. Wisdom regarding the Scriptures can be learned by all men, and such men can speak the truth vs. those who preach falsehood.

Look at Matthew 8:28-34, Mark 5:1-20 and Luke 8:26-39 regarding demons being expelled into swines aka pigs, the unclean animal. If they are among the chosen ones. Now I imagine a Cricket going after the Pope of the Vatican regarding Bible truth, non-stop.

Blasphemy - the act or offense of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; profane talk. Hersey - belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (especially Christian) doctrine; opinion profoundly at odds with what is generally accepted.

Indeed, mainly with the coming of their agenda, what took place in California regarding the fires and onward. As for Africa, with what went down in the months that came to pass was regarding migrants, moving them into European countries whereas NGO were teaching the migrants to lie. I can go far in depth on this but that will be like 2 pages, coupled with a transcript of legitimate information regarding this. The NGOs in question, who are doing the bidding of the UN are the ones who are sponsored by them. It is not just Africa alone per-say, but also the Greek Islands whereas NGO partake in legal aid, coaching, etc and told where they would go in the EU or Athens, so forth. They are aided by officials of the government in question of where this has been taking place, moreover, this has gone about regarding 15,000 people already and more; essential industrialized legal aid, so to speak, even Universities such as Cambridge, Denver and Oxford are involved, linked with the international Bar association. But yes, only being breif here but for now, this is but a cookie out of the jar for you. This information you would not be able to find on normal media granted that this was available months ago until it was being shot down by various MSM sources. This is why it is good to save what little information you can before it is wiped out totally. @Witness This has already been debunked, any NGO that is associated with the UN will have met the criteria, they would also have an ECOSCO and or an equivalent as a sponsor. The fact you are ignorant of this information proves that your claim that is like snow has touched flames before it can go on any further, and I say this because as someone who has watched the UN for nearly a decade, know who among the NGOs is for and or not for the UN, and so forth. Do the research.

@Anna It depends on what you want to know. I myself is also a Truther to some extent, as they call it. Reasons react and or make response regarding falsehood and or conspiracy of any kind. That being said, it would depend on what you want to know. The Global Mafia, The New World Order, One World Religion, Deep State, The Shadow Government, the Dark Web, Information about the Middle East, Israel, Russia, etc. Knowing these things is important and in some cases, it is key, mainly when dealing with folks who are ignorant of truth and or do not know any better.

Matt, It isn't JWs alone last I explained to you. It didn't stop the early Christians who wanted to ban such things, and yes. God isn't a fan of pagan-like practices. There is no problem with gifts, however, the significant of a gift when it comes to specific days, that is where the problem is drawn. Other than that, as for others, mocking is beneath any man who is a follower of Christ, in doing so, one reduces themselves to a worm beneath notice.

Some people enjoy their money too much they tend to be careless (at least the Sunglasses didn't suffer from the impact) And the debt clock continues to rise, and rise, and rise, and rise... and rise some more: http://www.usdebtclock.org/

As had been vocal about this before. We must teach and educate our children, when it comes to things such as sex, when it comes to money, when it comes to child abuse, resolving conflicts, bullying, and a list of other things, we must also teach our children about strangers (Stranger Danger as said in America) https://www.parents.com/parenting/better-parenting/advice/practical-ways-to-talk-to-kids-about-strangers/ https://www.babycenter.com/0_how-to-talk-to-your-child-about-interacting-with-strangers_3657124.bc https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/stranger-smarts.html http://archive.ncpc.org/topics/violent-crime-and-personal-safety/strangers.html The Bible points out to teach our children so they may be wisdom. For among many of the better solutions, education is key: https://www.openbible.info/topics/how_to_train_your_children Also learn the statistics regarding child kidnapping, some items I will link below https://www.creditdonkey.com/kidnapping-statistics.html http://childfindofamerica.org/resources/facts-stats/ http://www.pollyklaas.org/about/national-child-kidnapping.html The United States of America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_in_the_United_States https://www.parents.com/kids/safety/stranger-safety/child-abduction-facts/ https://reason.com/blog/2017/03/31/kidnapping-stats https://www.quora.com/How-many-people-are-kidnapped-each-day-in-the-US http://www.missingkids.com/footer/media/keyfacts The United Kingdom (EU) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/child-kidnap-and-abduction-increase-as-crimes-come-under-greater-scrutiny-10062014.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_in_the_United_Kingdom https://www.missingpeople.org.uk/latest-news/1018-missing-people-publishes-latest-uk-statistics.html https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-37504781 Note: It is far worse for children because in most cases they are often end up in human sex trafficking, others into slave labor. In the EU, specifically the UK, you have the Grooming Gangs, which has a network in EU. Others being forced as brides and or mates, regardless of the victim's sex. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7264155/grooming-gang-sex-slave-eight-abortions/ https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/grooming-gang-victim-abducted-tesco-13248892 Note: The National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children provided some valuable information in the UK sources in the last link. There's a lot more, but this will do. My older post was directed to child abuse, but what is mentioned still applies, since child abuse services instruct parents and guardians to teach, we must do the same in other aspects of things such as about Strangers, be it the kidnapper is someone known or unknown: Also another thing to note is even adults are kidnapped, primarily women, for as of recent a Florida woman who went to Costa-Rica on her 36th Birthday ended up vanishing, thus being kidnapped as some sources say, it is also noted that the driver was suspicious as well as some would say: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6453731/Florida-woman-celebrating-36th-birthday-Costa-Rica-vanishes-Airbnb.html

100% agreed. Teaching young ones about Strangers is the best thing someone should do. Kidnappers tend to go for young girls, and kidnappers tend to have several motives. This is why I am happy, those who have been educating on this, those who teach others on this matter, even young children to teach and speak their story, these ones are the ones who have this wisdom and their solution is to educate and teach. https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96145&page=1 https://www.narcity.com/news/a-teen-girl-escaped-a-kidnapping-using-this-feature-on-her-iphone We must teach our children, we are obligated to do so.

It is only going to get worse. Yes, God's Word has given us some insight, but at the same time, even with insight, even the wises of us men can fall and does not get back up, and this is the case in the End Times. Be it reasons against and or for, it will not stop the Government and the United Nations at bay, for we have already the immigration crisis, gun reform, and the California fires, give it some time and see what will happened with those who lost everything and where they will go, it is part of the plan. Yes, but for us we deal with guns, the EU has to deal with terrorism that is next door, and hate crimes, an knife attacks. I know in London there is band of bikers that that rob, beat and attempt to kill people, hence why London, as I said before, is not a good place granted crime had increases, and yet the UK government is proclaiming another gospel in regards to safety. France is a whole other mixed back, I am currently doing research on this but what I found quite interesting is that the Far-Left and the Far-Right (ANTIFA and Nationalist) are not fighting each other, but rather, they are fighting side-by-side in the Yellow Jacket Protest, something of which you do not see happen ever, granted the Left and the Right are always going after each others throats, moreover, this action sparks the rise of the white working class in Europe. My other source can give you some insight (Also note, the mainstream media says these are protesters, however this group of protest are in fact Rioters, hence the destruction caused by their hand) Yeah starting to realize that. Commercials are over - back to the topic at hand.

Those I affiliate myself with are indeed very intelligent, some of them even risk their lives to speak the truth. Therefore, what I am saying is indeed, the truth, as for one of my friends, who is also a source of mine, his video speaks for itself (note, keep in mind there is a bit of things said that is outside of the realm of PG) You gotta see the world for what it is JTR because a day will come it will be little teenagers that will do you in, as some have already, let alone mocking the older folks.

@James Thomas Rook Jr. Then you are aware of what went down a few weeks ago regarding a pro-gun owner and a politician? Even before that the shootings that took place when people are not using their firearms and or having been disarmed rendering helpless to a disgruntled police officer and or a criminal? It is not paranoia, for what is stated is actual truth, for if one isn't careful, they will end up like several examples we had already, for what took place with the Syranic Christians and a list of others, even Libya is merely a foreshadowing of what is to come here for we have brief instances in the US as it is. Moreover, it is going to take a support of a generation of children who are against guns who have already painted you as an enemy for having a gun, recall the Parkland Protest? But such will be a topic for another day because the last source I posted in this regard got wiped out for an obvious reason.

@Jack Ryan I remember when I was younger this was talked about. It is in the same category of "why do round pizzas come in square boxes" and a list of other things. Another thing is people ten to use men having nipples as a means of attesting to evolution, which has been debunked.

@JOHN BUTLER There is a lot of things going out that is kept on the hush-hush to the general public. Government wise, Education wise, Religion wise, Money Wise, Technology wise. There is a lot I can say about this, I can go on, some things I can say here but it isn't PG-rated for everyone here, regardless of their faith and or background. All I can say, briefly, perhaps later on I can give some insight on US, UK, FR, and their allies regarding 2021/30. Other than that, God's day is near. There are things that some are not paying attention to which is being spoken about by others, such as truthers and a list independent reporters, some of which who end up being assassinated for speaking what is true for we have an example already. The more you know, the more you shall find. Now if you were a famous person and or a well known doctor or some engineer, the more you know and the more you find, it will only get you killed, but since we are common folk, we find and proclaim what is true, reasons why I am type to seek the truth in such matters. That being said, I had dug up some things in the UK, mainly related to grooming gangs and immigration, both of which having a role to play in the global mafia in of itself. Remain vigilant and enduring - always. Don't be consumed by anger and hatred either, it does no one any good later on.

@JOHN BUTLER You reminded me about something. Rarely do I see UK officers use guns. Most of the time, well a number of times when confronting an armed suspect, mainly if someone has a knife and or machete, they cannot do much against them but throw things at the threat in question. In the United States, toy gun or real, or suspected to having a firearm will result in a case of shoot first, ask questions later, the situation tends to be more grave if you are not Caucasian and are of a different ethic group or race, with a background that is clearly not the like of common American folk. Anyone who has a fire armed, be it killed or captured, if of a race and or background it is seen as terrorism and or the the person is spoken of as the villain in this case, however, if it the latter, it is seen as being mental ill and or sick. People tend to get away with things regarding firearms, and outside of all that, you have gang members who get the guns, you have children who somehow get the guns and thinking shooting at people is a game, and you have those who are bullied to the point where they will come to shoot up a school. Right now, the United States is confused on what to do with guys because no one trust the Government with guns at all, and we have a foreshadowing of Libya, Syranic Christians and a list of other events whereas you trust the government with guns and you end up as a target with a large read blinking light sign on your back and your house. @James Thomas Rook Jr. Just be careful. Although I am not a fan of firearms, there are those who have the license to carry and take up the second amendment end up as targets for those in the government and law enforcement. A day will come whereas the government with the aid of the United Nations will come to disarm you and they will say they will shower you with protection, but later on, you will realize that this so called UN and Gov't protection was only means to desolate you. Other than that, this is why most people in American shouldn't have or be trusted with guns:

Because when it comes to expelling, there are those who do so the right out so that so and so can re enter the church, others will use expelling merely to get rid of you and mark you for because they want to purify the Church of the damnation as some would say. The method itself, the real one is that we should excommunicate in regards to being it’s merciful to sinners. The Church ties of the person in question will be cut off totally, however, there are some lines of help be it the church leaders and members of the family itself. Some would believe that excommunication is a complete cut off from both church and family leaving you with no way of re-entering the church, let alone the community itself. A Christian brother and or sister can come back to the church, although excommunicated for their actions, prayer, repentance, and striving to do good, whereas this can be explained and or see by others of the community will allow this person to come back, into the church and his or her church ties will be repaired, healed. Whatever sin he or she had done, it will be no more as if it was a rain drop into a river. As for the other false methods, this results in some Christians thinking that Excommunication should and can be abandon for they do not see it as a way of mercy and or maintain the peace in the church and believes a person who has sinned should not be brought forth for expelling. Agreed. But I do not recall a wife being able to expels someone granted that I was very vocal of religious leadership, the ones who are of the church who has the ability to excommunicate someone. It would be understandable if there was a woman who held religious office, but that has never been seen in the churches of old let alone in the days of our church fathers. As for that verse in question Proverbs 23:13, 14 [13] Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you strike him with a rod, he will not die. [14] If you strike him with the rod, you will save his soul from Sheol. When we discipline our children it should not be in fits of rage, angry out burst that causes one to lash out in the face of a child, to inflict pain and or injury, in some cases, even death regarding physical punishment. To disincline a child one can use sufficient words of wisdom to reason with the child should he or she make error and or has done something wrong, a rebuke, in of itself works better than physical action that begets some sort of injury to a young one. That being said, you'd be surprise of some mainstream Christians who think that beating a child, literally, is just, some would even make claim they are beating a demon out of their child, and so forth. A Child merely needs someone to reason with him or her in things that are good and things that are bad so when they grow older, by means of this education, family wise, Bible wise, they can make the right call on things and make positive decisions. The other problem is, there are some passages people do not take into context at all, thus their error in this sense. The same with me. Begetting violence solves nothing, for it creates more violence and reaps consequences, some of which are too much to contain. Well you'd be surprise, if perhaps reading that verse or another verse and or passage to those who are lacking in Bible context will think of this literally. For example, 4 years ago I remember someone burning their Bible because of a single verse, the same verse. Now, any honest man who reads for context will understand what that verse entails, I believed I explained it before in another thread here. Because it is indeed Biblical and regarding excommunication there is only but one form of it that is correct. You have 3 in front of you, only one is the right way. Within Christianity, there tend to be three major views of excommunication: We shouldn’t excommunicate anyone, because it’s not merciful. We should excommunicate, because we want to purify the Church of the damned. We should excommunicate, because it’s merciful to sinners. In the Old Law, anything that is great seriousness, a violation of God’s law through Moses, a person can be cut off totally from his or her community, even be subjected to death, and such violations carry the weigh of a penalty, for we have examples in the Bible itself. But we are of the New Law, and even then, Expelling remains in the Church. When it comes to sinners, in some cases, a member of the church who is believed to having been unrepentant of his or her sins, committing them, even knowingly, some sins which can be serious ones, that person will indeed be excommunicated, all this why being part of the church itself. This will result in the church to put into practice 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 whereas the church cut ties with the sinner, hence having the church ties itself being cut off. The sinner is not entirely left alone however, help can come his or her wait to return to the church, that is, if the person in question shows that they are truly repentant, and that they cease all ill activity of what caused them to sin in the first place and or turn away from their actions, some actions being obvious ones that the sinner will still have to deal with, but in the end, work with said problem to seek their own betterment on the road to repentance i.e. someone who has had sexual relations begets a child being born out of wedlock. Excommunication, isn't the end of the road for anyone, it allows the sinner to be repentant, and in time, with the help of family and concerned church members who has religious authority in the church, can help the sinner return to the church, to return to the Shepherd, or as some would say, to be reinstated. I believe that your faith community practices the last one, ironically enough the correct one, whereas excommunication (Disfellowship) is seen as a loving provision, thus being merciful to those who commit sin and the fact that it can be seen as a betterment to the faith community in of itself. That being said, the first one on the list totally ignores Jesus' words at Matthew 18:15-18, for they reject the place of excommunication within Church itself. For Jesus is the one to solemnly entrusting the Church with the ability to bind and loosen, and this is in connection with the Church’s ability to excommunicate/Expel unrepentant sinners, as some would attest, it is more an ability in the realm of Church Discipline. Jesus actually instructs it as the appropriate course of action to be taken in the case of certain unrepentant sinners resulting in Shunning, which isn't too far off from another thing we are instructed to do, of which Paul had to say in Romans 16:17 when it comes to avoiding false teachers. The action in of itself would have to come down to the individuals of that religion rather than the religion itself, unless it is the extreme ones like Christian Militants, who not only beat their children, but teach their children to beat others, even going about using some objects to cause harm to do so. But, there is but a few who do this (Christian Militants are only a small group, then again you have the small few who want to end the lives of atheists - literally), but they do not start off this way, they spread the influence to their members and those who enter them, like pollution to a body of water. Some religions proclaim that a person who sins can never change and or repent, hence why I mentioned the second item and briefly explained it. Other than that, when it comes to sin, Expelling can be used, mainly if the person is caught, willingly sinning and is shown to be unrepentant, therefore, he or she can no longer be of the church, unless he or she takes the steps to repent for their sins done by their own hand. That being said, I believe Expelling is indeed Biblical and it is an action entrusted to the Church, an it is a mercy to someone who sins, especially if that sinner wants to be right with God and take the steps necessary to repent for his or her sins and misdeeds, be it great or small. Although sure repentance takes time, the sinner who commits the action is not left in the dust or damnation as some would consider because with God, whatever sin ones does, God will forget it as if the sin in question is that of a spec of dust in the wind - gone; is no more, for God our Father is always read to forgive (Psalms 86:5).

In the end, some form of action has to be made, regardless. But even with this information, have you gone about getting more info on the situation itself? From small information some people can open doors on this matter. Don't worry about "they", and a situation like this, with even minor information should not be something to simply let go by. But if only a small amount of people had known this how is it the church elders have first hand information? Shunned or not, it does not stop someone from seeking information by any means possible, let alone the ability to take some form of action, even if said action is very minor. Who here is a high rank? And what is their business with the situation you are intertwined with? Yes the other thread. But the person in question, the mental ill person who is supposedly the culprit, you have to get some information. If not the victim, then the abuser in question. If you knew him at some point in his life, you'd know where he lives, perhaps, his workplace and or if outside of a JW church as to what he has been doing and or other. In some cases, if some abusers want to, as they say, cover their tracks, they will shift to seek targets outside of a church or school so that they are not as detected easily, other abusers tend to go for social media, online video games and a list of other things. An example would be a potential child abuser who has been hiding among the ranks of a Spider-Man community. Although no longer of that faith, surely there is something you can do. The reality is, you cannot save them all, but perhaps you can save one, and on the other side of the spectrum, when it comes to the abuser, grant that abuser in question is mental unstable, that will pose as a challenge.

@BillyTheKid46 Seconded. The irony of Atheists however, they will put everything into one category, define the masses for the actions of a few yet when people do the same about them, they end up typing a book and or making a 30 minute video as to why they are not the same.

This I wonder too, granted the culprit involved was, as stated, mental unstable hence the cause of his actions. Pedophilia desires must've triggered around the culprit's early teens, granted that is the case with most pedophiles and of if they themselves had been abused. As for the cause? Still unknown by most.

Well does it have something to do with what you say and do against those of your former faith? And we already know your story, every thread you mention this. Well we cannot assume things without knowing the other person's circumstances, what he himself is dealing with, perhaps to some degree greater, who knows. Telling someone something is one thing, but it would have been wise to exchange contact information if you were that concerned about a visit from a member of the faith. That is like befriending someone and not taking a care for his or her name, not even exchanging contacts to further the relationship. So you are aware of excommunication originating with the Christ? Because if any one from the church community is speaking out, for any faith, and or teaching something that isn't of the church it is a cause of division. Clearly if there is a situation going on, it should be handled and discuss with those in that circle and or those who bear witness to said situation. This is why you have to be wise on speaking up about a matter, granted you are in the UK, your own paid the price for that. As for the other part, that was a smart approach, a move not many would make. but rather, go for the latter. That should be discussed with those involved and your inner circle, one of the reasons I made it clear in child prevention sources I even quoted from. Going into a church to shout about child abuse is not the best approach, going to the church and speaking with those who are involved, those who are trying to do what needs to be done and so forth, while you are at it, educate so and so about child abuse, the elders in question and the parents involved. If this method is being taught to children regarding child abuse, you can do the same thing. Wisdom and education is key. It should be applied wisely, worse case scenario, you do not want to end up and or influence someone to be an avenger of blood, so to speak, for they become the sword in their own hands, hence why you have the common bystander like syndrome among people who do not want to get deeply involved with such matters.

You can disagree with me all you want, Excommunication existed long before JWs ever have walked the earth and no Christian can't refute the fact that it was in practice in ancient times up to modern day and onward. FACT: Excommunication is an institutional act of religious censure used to deprive, suspend, or limit membership in a religious community or to restrict certain rights within it, in particular receiving of the sacraments. The ability to excommunicate was given, even entrusted to the church, reasons why the disciples had that ability, as did anyone who hold a position of religious office, even a church leader, while at the same time, anyone of said position can be excommunicated themselves if any grounds have been crossed by means of their own design. Holy Spirit or not, as history proves, excommunication can be issued granted by the fact I noted about and what happens to the person in question who has been excommunicated. In the Jehovah's Witnesses' case, since they do have elders and stewards, perhaps pastors in their church, they do have this ability to remove someone from the church if need be. Another fact is the ability to excommunicate had been given to humans, so they are not in error for putting this in practice since not just the early church practiced it, but the one who is the head of the church issued this practice if you understand the context of Matthew 16. No one is going beyond anything. Excommunication (Disfellowship as they call it) is biblical whereas church ties are cut completely, hence why Expelling prompts the Shunning aka The Shunning Command. You have to prove how they are going beyond Excommunication practices whereas the practice itself stems from the Bible. Expelling is Biblical. True, but it can land in brazen conduct and or actions that is not suitable for a Christian. Excommunication does not always have to be a grave sin against God, it can be something as little as starting a brawl in a church whereas you are the cause, and a list of other things such as using spurious text in a sermon or a talk, you'd be booted out before you can say "praise the Lord". It's not about like, it is about action. A Steward, Elder or Pastor cannot remove someone because of liking someone or not. They use Excommunication should they find something on you that may cause some damage in the church, some however, can be more strict than others. And your point? Church Disciplinary action was given to humans. How do you know if you yourself said you wouldn't know anything of the like because you do not know the person? The Church has been entrusted, and by whom? The Christ, Jesus. You cannot refute this because of who this came to be, but if you want to refute with someone, then Jesus is your guy. Them and the church were able to excommunicate, hence why Paul made it clear of the roles the men had in the church who had such capabilities. Excommunication has not changed. 3 forms exist, only one form came about the early Christian church. I had already linked this information to you and several others a number of times in the past. As I have been vocal about Restorationist Christianity, they only practice the correct form of excommunication, other folks in Christendom has watered it down and or had abandon excommunication whereas the Catholics added something to excommunication that isn't biblical, thus practicing either of the 2 other forms and not adhering to the true form of excommunication. Ok, and your point as to why you made mention of this? Excommunication has not changed, nor will it ever be removed from the church. If you want to refute excommunication everything pertaining to church disciplinary action can be brought up if need be. So far, this is something that no one can refute, but rather, will attack, not knowing their own Bible says the same thing.