How the New European Data Law Will Affect Jehovah’s Witnesses - My Take

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

12 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Another point totally off topic as usual. I think the 'Society' allow / agree with, 'gambling' on the Stock Exchange,

The society regularly (daily) gambles with contributed money on the various Stock Exchanges.

But if you or I buy a $2 Lottery ticket ... SPOINNNNG! ... out we go.

[TrueTomHarley]

1 minute ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

The society regularly (daily) gambles with contributed money on the various Stock Exchanges.

But if you or I buy a $2 Lottery ticket ... SPOINNNNG! ... out we go.

I bought shares 100,000 shares of TWNM (The World News Media) just before you and Billy escalated your knock-down drag-out fights.

I am now a gazillionaire who never needs to think about money again!

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

If you break that gazillion dollar bill ... be sure to get in in $4's and $8's.

The $4 dollar bill has BrunHillary's picture on the front, and the $8 dollar bill has her picture on the front AND back.

[TrueTomHarley]

7 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

If you break that gazillion dollar bill ... be sure to get in in $4's and $8's.

The $4 dollar bill has BrunHillary's picture on the front, and the $8 dollar bill has her picture on the front AND back.

The $100,000 dollar bill in the Game of Life has (or used to) G. I. Luvmoney’s picture. 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

10 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The $100,000 dollar bill in the Game of Life has (or used to) G. I. Luvmoney’s picture. 

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[JOHN BUTLER]

56 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

The society regularly (daily) gambles with contributed money on the various Stock Exchanges.

But if you or I buy a $2 Lottery ticket ... SPOINNNNG! ... out we go.

But be serious on this one. Surely the Stock Exchange is still gambling ?

So isn't that hypocrisy ?  

I do the UK lotto and have no bad conscience about it. After all, a person can go into a pub for a beer, but he doesn't want to get drunk, so i can gamble for a little win, but i don't love money or want to be a millionaire. 

Common occurrence with TTH, if a truth about the Org is brought up in conversation, turn it into a joke to avoid giving truthful answer. 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Common occurrence with TTH, if a truth about the Org is brought up in conversation, turn it into a joke to avoid giving truthful answer.  

I do comedy often to lessen the brutality of real truth.

[JOHN BUTLER]

2 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

I do comedy often to lessen the brutality of real truth.

Ah, so that is why certain people on here dislike me, because i don't turn real truth into comedy. 

Sorry i can't oblige on that. I've seen too much suffering in many way to make jokes out if it. 

[TrueTomHarley]

11 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

But be serious on this one. Surely the Stock Exchange is still gambling ?

Attend any business school or talk to any banker or businessman. Go to any retirement seminar. Talk to any financial advisor. Contact the Human Resources department of your employer.

See if the stock market is considered gambling.

[JOHN BUTLER]

7 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Attend any business school or talk to any banker or businessman. Go to any retirement seminar. Talk to any financial advisor. Contact the Human Resources department of your employer.

See if the stock market is considered gambling.

You are talking from a 'worldly viewpoint', I was meaning from a more scriptural / moral viewpoint of honesty, hard work and conscience.

Basically the GB / Org allows the stock market just like Moses allowed divorce. And it seems for the same reason the Society allowed smoking up until 1970 even though they knew it was wrong in the late 1800's.

They are frightened to offend too many people, as it would mean less money in the pot from contributions. 

 

[TrueTomHarley]

23 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

You are talking from a 'worldly viewpoint', I was meaning from a more scriptural / moral viewpoint of honesty, hard work and conscience.

It certainly can be indulged in as though gambling, but so can most things. Start a business, for example, and you are “gambling” with many unknowns. Far “safer” to walk into the factory and ask for a job. You are “gambling” every time you get behind the wheel of a car.

But the basic idea of “investing” in the stock market is not gambling at all. Buying a stock is buying a very very tiny piece of a company. You benefit the company by supplying it with the funds it needs to expand. In turn, you are (a very tiny) part owner of that company, to thrive if it thrives.

How “moral” it is is anyone’s guess. It depends upon where you are & what companies you invest in. In the case of huge companies, it becomes the case of the tail (the stockholders) wagging the dog (the company).

If you, for example, own John’s Bomb Company [and I am not being snarky or suggestive here, I am just trying to illustrate a point] then you are content to wait for customers. When you get an order for a bomb, you go into the workshop to make one.

But when you are a gigantic weapons company with many stockholders to “feed,” you have to keep feeding them. You cannot just wait for bomb orders to roll in—what if there is a period of peace?  If you don’t make and sell a lot of bombs, then you don’t make money for your stockholders, and they go somewhere else where they can make money. 

So there is an irresistible temptation to make your market. That’s why the armaments companies have a huge presence in government circles as lobbyists. It is not merely to say, ‘Hey, if you need bombs, we are better than that other company.’ More significantly, it is to say, ‘The world is a very dangerous place, with many many enemies that must be kept in check. You cannot have too many bombs on hand, and as it turns out, we make them.’

For the longest time, Russia (or the Soviet Union) has been identified as the king of the north, who puts his trusts in fortresses. It is he who hosts public parades of weapons rolling through the streets—boasting in military might.  Still, right now, the U.S. is bombing more countries than he.

This is but the most blatant example. Parallels can be found in most industries—energy, food, chemical, pharmaceutical, banking, for instance. They can’t just wait around for people to order their product. They must, in order to “feed” the stockholders, go out and make markets, and expand ones already made.

It is entirely separate from “gambling,” and might be seen as the bigger evil. After all, if you have some money, you are “gambling” far more by sticking it under your mattress. You are gambling that there is no fire or thief. And if you put your money in the bank, you know very well that they are not just sitting on it. They are putting it in the stock market in hopes of making a profit. Or they are loaning it out to other people, who may not pay it back. How’s that for gambling (with your funds)? 

 

[Srecko Sostar]

3 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

But the basic idea

Should/could this sort of worldly basic idea be possible to find in this spiritual advice: "Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves." 

If yes, perhaps Jesus was not only spiritual Teacher but also successful Wall Street Investment Advisor?