Bethel Has Been Warned. Jehovah always sends a warning first.

[Moise Racette]

1 hour ago, Witness said:

Acts 7: 48-50 - “However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says:

So what you are saying Kate is that God is a God of contradiction. 

Ex. 25:8 And let them make me a sanctuary, that I may dwell in their midst.

It would appear the hoax that is created is by the lack of bible understanding by this poster and the apostate, @AnnaNana

Now, is God referring to NOT dwelling in temples built for Idiol worship of other Gods? You bet that's what acts are talking about. God will never dwell in a temple built to worship Baal, Marduk, Zeus, Venus, etc.

What was the tabernacle that was the holy of holies?? and what was its purpose?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_of_Holies#:~:text=The Holy of Holies or HaDvir is a,in Jerusalem%2C where the Ark of the Co

Noun tabernacle - /tˈæbənækəl/ 1 Place of worship for a Jewish congregation We met at the tabernacle2 Tabernacle Judaism A portable sanctuary in which the Jews carried the Ark of the Covenant on their exodus

Thesaurus

Hypernym: house of God house of prayer house of worship place of worship sanctuary shelter temple

Hyponym: Temple of Jerusalem Temple of Solomon

Noun bethel - /bˈɛθəl/ 1 A house of worship

Thesaurus

Hypernym: house of God house of prayer house of worship place of worship

Derived: bethels

You just nullified your entire post and argument about the subject, Kate, with your erred proposition.

 

[Moise Racette]

40 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

There are people who are aware, and some who aren't aware. That includes Jehovah's Witnesses, some who know such things, and some of them are oblivious, possibly knowing only surface stuff like some, but to the actions of what these people and or entities are up to concerning their conquest for peace and security.

Unforuntaley, this is not the question before secular law. What is, a vile threat. An inquiry has been made. In other words, the UN filed a complaint for the above post. The post and its creator are dealing in absolutes.

[Guest]

@Space Merchant, yes, what you said: "When the serious attacks begin, we might have to take a page out of Job's experience and or that of the Israelites in the Wilderness, i.e. if they take a place of worship, would you continue at a home like in the old days? Or perhaps do worship outside, or conveying Bible topics and matters in a woodland area where it is safe?"

 

We will all have to keep our integrity under difficult circumstances. If Jehovah can keep the Israelites fed and clothed in the wilderness for 40 years, surely He will provide for us in the societal "wilderness" of the great tribulation soon ahead.

 

The Bible shows the attack on religion will be cut off at a certain point (5 months after the attack starts, Revelation 9:5,10) and true worship will be refined/restored (1,150 days after the tribulation begins, Daniel 8:14). Jehovah will not abandon His loyal ones. We will see Him help us, just like the Israelites of old saw Him during the plagues on the Egyptian gods. The first few plagues also plagued the Hebrews. In a similar way, the first part of the attack on religion will also plague Jehovah's Witnesses. The apostate elements of the religion will be removed. True worshippers of God from all religions will be refined and come to worship Jehovah as one, "we will go with you people, because we have heard that God is with you people." Jehovah's Name is a strong tower.

 

As far as knowing personal email addresses, Jesus sent the people to preach. The commission at times has meant being flexible. Scrolls to parchments to codexes, printing presses, now computers. The message is spread by word of mouth and door-to-door and in forums. In the marketplaces, radio, television, airplane, dog-sled...so many different ways the message has been preached. During the COVID pandemic, Jehovah's Witnesses utilized online databases, including tax records and phone directories, in order to find contact information for the preaching work. In the sign language congregations, Jehovah's Witnesses even use social media websites to locate relatives and acquaintances of deaf ones. 

 

Email is one of many modern forms of contact. The individual must be conscientious of how they use any information when contacting a person, whether writing a letter or door-to-door or texting. Email is just one more form of contact. Just as the internet provider is not responsible for the conduct of the individuals searching the internet, and the congregation is not responsible for the specific words of an individual preaching in a checked-out territory map, each individual who emails a person will have to take accountability for their own words.

 

"To his own master he stands or falls."

 

"But let each one examine his own actions, and then he will have cause for rejoicing in regard to himself alone, and not in comparison with the other person.  For each one will carry his own load."

 

@Space Merchant, surely the many battles and skirmishes you and the others have experienced will prove helpful for what is to come. You will be able to comfort many in the hour they need it most. Thank you for being a blessing to the rest of the sheep.

 

If we are sowing with regard to the spirit, namely, with a loving motive out of concern for the welfare of others, then we will reap the blessing of working with Our Father for the welfare of the family. Maybe some will listen. Even if they do not listen, Jehovah will be praised. Jehovah always gives a warning first.

 

Praise Jehovah.

[Moise Racette]

I think this poster received one too many COVID-19 shots!

A warning from God to OBEY is NOT the same kind of warning an idiot would make, especially when that person is prophesying, yet denies 1914. What a load of contradiction this person is.

Therefore, what kind of credible warning can ingrates give to a faithful nation? 

Matt. 7:15 ¶ “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Matt. 7:16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from hornbushes, or figs from thistles?

The poster can relay that to her friends through email!😂

[Moise Racette]

*** it-1 p. 621 Deuteronomy ***
Warnings and Laws. Deuteronomy is filled with warnings against false worship and unfaithfulness as well as instructions on how to deal with it so that pure worship might be preserved. The exhortation to holiness was an outstanding thing in Deuteronomy. The Israelites were admonished not to intermarry with the nations round about, because this would present a threat to pure worship and loyalty to (omitted). (De 7:3, 4) They were warned against materialism and self-righteousness. (8:11-18; 9:4-6) Strong laws were made regarding apostasy. They were to watch themselves so that they would not turn to other gods. (11:16, 17) They were warned against false prophets. Instructions were given in two places as to how to identify a false prophet and how he should be dealt with. (13:1-5; 18:20-22) Even if a member of one’s own family should become apostate, the family was not to have pity but was to share in stoning such a one to death.—13:6-11.
Cities of Israel that turned apostate were to be devoted to destruction, and nothing was to be preserved for personal benefit by anyone. The city was never to be rebuilt.

 

The poster has NOT proven there is false worship at Bethel, unfaithfulness, materialism, self-righteousness, etc. Therefore, what kind of WARNING is this unstable person giving? NONE, that warning is as fake as the poster.

Now, there is a WARNING against apostasy and false prophets which should be directed to the poster. Unfaithfulness applies to the poster, and readers should be warned about Audrey's blasphemy.
 

[Witness]

2 hours ago, Moise Racette said:

So what you are saying Kate is that God is a God of contradiction. 

Ex. 25:8 And let them make me a sanctuary, that I may dwell in  their midst

John 2:19-21 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”  The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” But he was speaking about the temple of his body.

 

 

Acts 7:48-51  Yet the Most High does not dwell in houses made by hands, as the prophet says,

49 “‘Heaven is my throne,
    and the earth is my footstool.
What kind of house will you build for me, says the Lord,
    or what is the place of my rest?
50 Did not my hand make all these things?’

51 “You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you."

 

[Moise Racette]

Perhaps the caption should read:

Faithful Members Have Been Warned. God always sends a warning to its faithful nation against apostasy and false prophets.

[Moise Racette]

1 minute ago, Witness said:

John 2:19-21 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”  The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” But he was speaking about the temple of his body.

True. What does that have to do with a physical tabernacle? You are contradicting scripture to please your own argument, since Christ was referring to himself. Accept what is written.

You are confusing the physical with the spiritual. Spiritually, God's servants are seen as Temples. That doesn't mean they can't have a house of worship as it has been done for millennia in bible time.

1Kings 12:31 He also made temples on high places and appointed priests from among all the people, who were not of the Levites.

Is scripture referring to temples dedicated to other Gods, that were not of the Levites?

2Sam. 7:2 the king said to uNathan the prophet, “See now, I dwell vin a house of cedar, but the ark of God dwells win a tent.”
1Chr. 23:25 For David said, “The LORD, the God of Israel, has given rest to his people, and he dwells in Jerusalem forever.

Where was the temple built? How many times?

Ezra 5:9 Then we asked those elders and spoke to them thus: ‘Who gave you a decree to build this house and to finish this structure?’

Ezra 5:11 And this was their reply to us: ‘We are the servants of the God of heaven and earth, and we are rebuilding the house that was built many years ago, which a great king of Israel built and finished.

Therefore, the intent here is false worship and where. Prove the Watchtower is worshiping a false God? Show where a kingdom hall is being used to worship false idols, that's the point.

So, PROVE IT!!! 

 

[Guest]

The format for email at Bethel is basic. Most of them are the first initial and then the last name followed by "@jw.org."  There are a few emails that are just the persons first name or something else.

 

If you know the name of someone at Bethel or have access to a directory then you know the emails.

 

About half of the emails are set up so as to block outside emails. But about half do not have a block up.

 

Depending on your email server, you may get back an error code if the email gets blocked or if the email address does not exist.

 

While it is unusual for anyone at Bethel to respond to an outside unexpected email, they do read them.

 

It has been very difficult in the past to get into Bethel to warn the Bethelites about anything. Jehovah has a way of opening things up when it is His appointed time.

 

"Suddenly a great earthquake occurred, so that the foundations of the jail were shaken. Moreover, all the doors were instantly opened, and everyone’s bonds came loose."

 

"But look! Jehovah’s angel was standing there, and a light shone in the prison cell. Hitting Peter on the side, he woke him, saying: “Get up quickly!” And the chains fell off his hands. The angel said to him: “Get dressed and put on your sandals.” He did so. Finally he said to him: “Put your outer garment on, and keep following me.” And he went out and kept following him, but he did not know that what was happening through the angel was real. In fact, he thought he was seeing a vision.  Going past the first sentinel guard and the second, they reached the iron gate leading into the city, and this opened to them by itself. After they went out, they made their way down one street, and immediately the angel departed from him.  And Peter, realizing what was happening, said: “Now I know for sure that Jehovah sent his angel and rescued me from Herod’s hand and from everything that the Jews were expecting to happen."

 

All things are possible with God.

 

Praise Jehovah.

[Moise Racette]

2 minutes ago, AnnaNana said:

All things are possible with God.

Yes! All things are possible with God, just not apostates. God will judge those ingrates.

[Moise Racette]

@Witness

You are saying God made an error to allow the creation of a Temple, and Jesus made a mistake entering a temple of worship. Defend your stance scripturally.

2 Chronicles 7 New International Version

The Dedication of the Temple

7 When Solomon finished praying, fire came down from heaven and consumed the burnt offering and the sacrifices, and the glory of the Lord filled the temple. 2 The priests could not enter the temple of the Lord because the glory of the Lord filled it. 3 When all the Israelites saw the fire coming down and the glory of the Lord above the temple, they knelt on the pavement with their faces to the ground, and they worshiped and gave thanks to the Lord, saying,

“He is good;  his love endures forever.”

4 Then the king and all the people offered sacrifices before the Lord. 5 And King Solomon offered a sacrifice of twenty-two thousand head of cattle and a hundred and twenty thousand sheep and goats. So the king and all the people dedicated the temple of God. 6 The priests took their positions, as did the Levites with the Lord’s musical instruments, which King David had made for praising the Lord and which were used when he gave thanks, saying, “His love endures forever.” Opposite the Levites, the priests blew their trumpets, and all the Israelites were standing.

7 Solomon consecrated the middle part of the courtyard in front of the temple of the Lord, and there he offered burnt offerings and the fat of the fellowship offerings, because the bronze altar he had made could not hold the burnt offerings, the grain offerings and the fat portions.

8 So Solomon observed the festival at that time for seven days, and all Israel with him—a vast assembly, people from Lebo Hamath to the Wadi of Egypt. 9 On the eighth day they held an assembly, for they had celebrated the dedication of the altar for seven days and the festival for seven days more. 10 On the twenty-third day of the seventh month he sent the people to their homes, joyful and glad in heart for the good things the Lord had done for David and Solomon and for his people Israel.

The Lord Appears to Solomon

11 When Solomon had finished the temple of the Lord and the royal palace, and had succeeded in carrying out all he had in mind to do in the temple of the Lord and in his own palace, 12 the Lord appeared to him at night and said:

“I have heard your prayer and have chosen this place for myself as a temple for sacrifices.”

 

Matthew 21:12-13 New International Version

Jesus at the Temple

12 Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. 13 “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’[a] but you are making it ‘a den of robbers.

Keep in mind, you are also suggesting those that went to the temple for the feast of dedication is false worship, which Jesus was part of, by your standard of bible understanding.

John 10:22 ¶ At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter,
John 10:23 and Jesus was walking in the temple, in the colonnade of Solomon.

[Moise Racette]

@Witness

So there will be no confusion for the reader. 

1. Christians understand God is our Heavenly Temple that we praise and worship.

2. Christians understand Christ's enthronement in heaven gives him the authority to rule his heavenly kingdom and earth.

3. Christians understand no temple, church, synagogue, tabernacle, etc. should be used to worship false gods.

So, let's think of it by this example, and build from that.

2. Confusion in the ministry (17:7-13)

Not only did God establish the home and instruct parents how to raise their children (Deut 6), but He also instituted spiritual leadership in the worshiping community. Under the Old Covenant, the tabernacle and then the temple were the center of the community, and the Aaronic priesthood supervised both. Under the New Covenant, the church of Jesus Christ is the temple of God (Eph 2:19-22); and the Holy Spirit calls and equips ministers to serve Him and His people (1 Cor 12-14; Eph 4:1-16). In His Word, God told the Old Testament priests what they were supposed to do; and in His Word today, the Holy Spirit guides His church and explains its order and its ministry.

Matt. 16:18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock2 I will build my church, and the gates of hell 3 shall not prevail against it.
Acts 9:31 ¶ So the church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samaria had peace and was being built up. And walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, git multiplied.

Matt. 18:17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

Acts 5:11 And great fear came upon the whole church and upon all who heard of these things.
Acts 8:1 ¶ And Saul approved of his execution. ¶ And there arose on that day a great persecution against the church in Jerusalem, and they were all scattered throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles.
Acts 8:3 But Saul was ravaging the church, and entering house after house, he dragged off men and women and committed them to prison.

Acts 11:22 The report of this came to the ears of the church in Jerusalem, and they sent Barnabas to Antioch.
Acts 11:26 and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. For a whole year they met with the church and taught a great many people. And in Antioch the disciples were first called vChristians.
Acts 12:1 ¶ About that time Herod the king laid violent hands on some who belonged to the church.