Lawyers who defended Catholic pedophiles are now defending JWs pedophiles

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8 hours ago, George88 said:

Of course, I can. Is that your bias speaking, or are you open to other perspectives?

JWs should definitely, and urgently, open new perspectives. They need that more than licenses to wear beards and pants.

8 hours ago, George88 said:

In a courtroom, the pressure to tell the truth is immense. Some succumb to the temptation to lie in order to protect themselves. However, the brother, who was not facing charges, answered sincerely and directly. Why would he even bother if it doesn't meet your expectations?

Don't pay attention to my expectations, they are my problem, not yours. lol Some statements and testimonies of JWs in the courts confirmed the fact that a man should not be expected to be principled and truthful in his own claims and self-praise that he is a "True Christian". If falsehood and deception are uttered, then it is the product of either one's own false belief in the fictions of (religious) ideology, or they are the product of conscious lying in order to protect some personal, social position in that network of (religious) deception in favor of a certain institution.
JWs have a more serious problem than fear of ex-JWs and their activism or criticism. JWs, today more than ever before, are able to distinguish falsehood from truth within their own religion. If they fail to recognize this and make important decisions based on this, then they are at a loss.

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7 hours ago, BTK59 said:

No, that is merely a distorted version of events, as told by uninformed witnesses and former members. Since the 60s, The Watchtower has consistently brought attention to the issue of child abuse, fearlessly delivering their message in various forms. The publicans and the letter to the Elders provide evidence of that. However, instead of learning, it seems like the wrong party is dissenting. It doesn't matter how deeply misinformed individuals hold onto lies, because ultimately, God knows the truth.

Fine, if you say so. Now I ask, of what use has this ("attention") been to the thousands of victims within the WTJWorg global organization? 
How did JW elders "protect" the herd? How did they "prevent" the spread of the "sin" of pedophilia for the last 60 years? Only recently has it become a "crime" at WTJWorg. "Evidence" shows that they failed.

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5 hours ago, George88 said:

Why do you complain about revisions then? I can't remember a time when a recommendation turned into a license.

In the context of my comment about WTJWorg, it ceases to matter whether the revisions are evidence of JW progress or regression. They are proof that GB is nothing but an administrative creation created in the way that all human creations are created and does not prove the so-called "divine guidance" in its action.

Recommendations? You didn't listen to their Update carefully. lol

5 hours ago, George88 said:

When did you come to the realization that the Watchtower organization has attained perfection and is able to safeguard individuals from making misguided decisions due to their mental state? Like any other institution, the Watchtower provides guidance and suggestions, and it's important for you to analyze your own thoughts more critically. Are you implying that you yourself are flawless and have never committed any sins whatsoever? I'm not referring specifically to pedophilia, but rather speaking in general terms.

The mantra of "perfection" and "imperfection" is constantly present in GB speeches. You repeat after them like a parrot, pardon the expression. I did not comment on that in this thread. 

Their claim that they are "imperfect" is just an attempt to make excuses for their own failings and faulty, sometimes dangerous instruction that creates a general mess.

5 hours ago, George88 said:

The Watchtower's expectation is for everyone to embrace a Christian life and follow the teachings of God. It is a personal choice if someone falls short of that. Elders cannot prevent someone from engaging in private and secret activities as they cannot read minds. Why not ask your good friend this question? Discover what kind of response you will receive.

Follow the teachings that are mix of Bible and WTJWorg interpretations. 

Of course that elders cannot prevent secret activities of members, but they prevent secular authorities to do their job by hiding information and not reporting crimes.

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GB decide to give permission.  lol

 

 

 

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Which brings up the question, is the GB standing firm on that silly and PAINFULLY transparent “Overlapping Generations” thingy?

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Yes, or no ….. sometimes.

After carefully analyzing the above post, word by word, and line by line, the following becomes clear.

1. "Verbose but lacking substance."
2. "Engages in lengthy but fruitless speculation."
3. "Prone to rambling without reaching meaningful conclusions."
4. "Overwhelms with quantity rather than quality."
5. "Spews out a torrent of irrelevant questions and baseless assertions."
6. "Master of the art of prolific yet empty rhetoric."
7. "Produces a flood of words that lead nowhere."
8. "Obscures the point with an avalanche of verbiage."
9. "Buries the reader under a mountain of aimless musings."
10. "Fills paragraphs with meandering thoughts and unsubstantiated claims."

… but it does show considerable skill, I will have to admit that.

Especially point No. 6.

….. if you think I am kidding …. read Georgie’s post out loud as if expecting a line by line rsponse, and LISTEN to it.

 

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7 hours ago, George88 said:

So, let me get this straight: you're suggesting that Jesus was merely an administrator alongside the apostles. Is that what you're trying to convey? If so, I must say, you seem to be in the minority with that belief. However, I'm interested to hear more about your perspective.

I see no connection between Jesus and GB. Can you somehow prove that GB received power of attorney from Jesus? Please, without the explanations that we have already heard so many times, because they are without any value. Bring something new and real to the table.

7 hours ago, George88 said:

Please inform me where they made their demand. I am eager to receive your evidence.

Again, I direct you to listen to their speeches and written text. There is an answer to your question.

7 hours ago, George88 said:

It seems like you have a serious problem with God.

This is a good question. But it should be expanded, for example like this: Do people have a problem with God who is interpreted in the way GB does? This kind of question is also applicable to any other "God" that people worship.

7 hours ago, George88 said:

You are implying that the Watchtower should defy governments that demand compliance. However, when the Watchtower does comply, apostates witnessing such events draw the wrong conclusion and demand resistance instead of obedience. Have you considered the implications of your argument?

It is public knowledge that WTJWorg asks its followers to disobey laws that are contrary, according to the GB interpretation, to the "laws of God". The public speeches of GB members and other GB representatives have clearly expressed the intention that WTJWorg will never deviate from the "biblical principles" that are inherent and unique to the religion of JWs. So it is known who promotes disobedience to the "secular authorities" in all matters determined by the GB. So much about/for implications.

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…. you missed a spot! 😆😆

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1 hour ago, George88 said:

I'm not sure if you are referring to "attorney" or "authority," but if you are implying "authority," then the responsibility lies on you, as an apostate, to provide evidence that the Governing Body does not receive God's Holy Spirit, based solely on your own words.

Sorry for google translate. It is about power, authority, authorization, mandate.

1 hour ago, George88 said:

The GB interprets scripture in the manner it was originally intended, following Christ's example. Just as Jesus highlighted the misinterpretation of the scrolls and God's words by the Pharisees, there is no alternative way to interpret scripture

quote: "..,provide evidence that the Governing Body does not receive God's Holy Spirit..,"

quote: "The GB interprets scripture in the manner it was originally intended...,there is no alternative way to interpret scripture"

In an effort to accept your claims and belief about GB, we would have to reconcile the view that the way Jesus and God works is visible in the practice of GB. They (GB) make a "biblically based" conclusion (interpretation) which later turns out to be incorrect and wrong. So Jesus and God misrepresented his ideas to them? Or did they not understand them? Truly the "divine way" of communication.

An "alternative" to the previous explanation always exists in the WTJWorg religion. Sufficient evidence to question whether GB members "got the spirit" for the dogmas that have already changed as well as those that did not (but will be, lol).

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i suspect about half of the convicted “apostates” are really “double agents”, serving Jehovah’s best interests while wearing the scarlet letter “A”, to precipitate important reform that is sorely needed.

THE classic example is the 2016-2017 apostate generated Watchtower Parody on beards, in which EVERYTHING STATED was 100% true, and diametrically opposed to the teachings and practices of the Society and the Governing Body, and the practices of the global congregations’ body of elders, with VERY few exceptions.

In March of 2024, the Governing Body caved in and recognised officially as true all the apostate points in that 2016-2017 apostate Watchtower parody.

When your agenda is control, bad things happen, and there is tyranny.

When your agenda is TRUTH, good things happen, and there is Liberty!

Dec 2016 Watchtower draft article .pdf

 

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Hold onto your hair!

Read THIS and see if it reminds you of “someone” we know …. !!!!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/spaced-out-sheila-jackson-lee-tells-texas-students-planet-moon-made-up-gases

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15 hours ago, George88 said:

It is important for you to demonstrate that the DB does not receive the Holy Spirit of God.

If we want to include the biblical text in a possible answer to this dilemma, then based on the experience of people who "received HS" in the period covered by the Bible, we could come up with elements, indicators of what a person receiving HS looks like, how a person receiving HS behaves and what effects, actions in relation to people and the environment does a person who gets HS have.
Should we read together the Bible passages that describe the HS and the people of Bible time, in order to come to the answer?

Which biblical persons with the power, gift of HS can we compare with a member of GB??

And vice versa,

Which member of GB can we compare to a biblical person who acts under the power, gift of HS??

15 hours ago, George88 said:

Why would the Holy Spirit of God lead someone astray?

²⁰  Jehovah then said, ‘Who will fool Aʹhab, so that he will go up and fall at Raʹmoth-gilʹe·ad?’ And one was saying one thing while another said something else. ²¹  Then a spirit*r came forward and stood before Jehovah and said, ‘I will fool him.’ Jehovah asked him, ‘How will you do it?’ ²²  He replied, ‘I will go out and become a deceptive spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’s So he said, ‘You will fool him, and what is more, you will be successful. Go out and do that.’ ²³  And now Jehovah has put a deceptive spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours,t but Jehovah has declared calamity for you.”u 1. Kings 22,NWT

 

Ezekiel 14:9

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⁹  “‘But if the prophet is fooled and gives a response, it is I, Jehovah, who have fooled that prophet. I will then stretch out my hand against him and annihilate him from my people Israel.