Can Satan speak the truth?

[Pudgy]

Satan as Lucifer was supposed to teach humanity about God, and other stuff, and from the time of his creation by Jesus as Michael sometime after the Big Bang, told the truth. 

That’s why he was there in the Garden of Eden.

This is how simple things become when TRUTH IS YOUR GOAL, and not your AGENDA … and you ask the right questions.

The right answers JUMP OUT AT YOU!

[George88]

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

You asked a good question. As far as I know from the Bible, no angel ever sounded the alarm.

How did the angels become aware of Satan's malevolent intentions? It was only in the Garden that they discovered Satan's attempt to exalt himself as a god. It was after this event that other angels began to emulate Satan's defiance of God's sovereignty.

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Yes, since Satan initiated the process of deception, it stands to reason that all his words thereafter become suspect.

There you have it. It wasn't as difficult to consider. Nothing positive can arise from the words or reign of Satan.

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

However, this does not prove that he was not telling the truth before that unfortunate event.

What kind of challenges may have occurred in Heaven prior to the introduction of mankind? Perhaps even during the reign of the dinosaurs?

Don't you think that if it had existed, it would have been mentioned in the Bible, along with all other creations?

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

It also doesn't prove that he can't decide to start telling the truth. Because you yourself say that it's all a matter of choice.

Was Caine successful in removing his mark? I believe you are reaching too far in this speculation. Once again, consider the language in John 8:44, which leaves no doubt that Satan is incapable of telling the truth. It's wishful thinking. Had Satan been able to influence humanity differently, we would now be on a different course.

[Pudgy]

Apparently Lucifer told the truth for several billion years before he was assigned the gig in Eden to instruct Adam and Eve … or presumably he would have never gotten the job.

Being “Satan, Father of the Lie” looks really bad on a CV.

It makes more sense to infer that he COULD tell the truth, apparently for several billion years, but somewhere around 6,000 years ago he decided not to.

That theory fits the facts quite seamlessly.

So what REALLY is the case?

What is the REAL bird’s eye low-down on that cosmic caper?

42.

[George88]

No one suggested that Satan was not perfect in the beginning. Unfortunately, he chose to raise the stakes just to impress the other angels.

Did he engage in sincere conversations with other angels? Perhaps, God didn't deem it necessary for humanity to witness the daily occurrences in heaven. If God believed we should possess such inquisitiveness, He would have included it in the Bible.

We have the written evidence, so the important question is what his current situation is, rather than speculating about his past. Maybe God had punished him by putting him in a corner for misbehaving, who knows. 🤣

[Pudgy]

Perhaps Lucifer/Satan started out as a planetary sized Space Frog. The Bible doesn’t say. Perhaps he was for a billion years a 10,000 footed caterpillar? Who knows?

( … SMH and rolls eyes …)

 

[George88]

Absolutely! The possibilities for his nature are limitless, entirely shaped by our own imagination. Although it's true that our knowledge of the angelic realm is limited, we do have some insight through the writings of the Psalmist and Job. They reveal glimpses of the heavenly beings' unwavering joy and profound reverence as witnesses to God's creation. So, it's safe to say that their activities transcend simple games like huddling around and playing marbles. 😇

[Srecko Sostar]

We are now on page 4 of this thread. What is the goal of the question? Did Satan become "imperfect" after the first sin? Or irreparable? Does he belong to the "prodigal son" category or not? Adam and Eve became "imperfect" because of sin. Did Satan become "imperfect"?
If YHVH "punished" the people, what prevented him from punishing this wicked transgressor in the same way?
And don't answer me from JWs literature. Because that is not a strong enough argument.

[Pudgy]

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[George88]

15 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

We are now on page 4 of this thread. What is the goal of the question?

The goal of the question was to stay true to its original intent. Since Satan's fall, he has consistently disguised the truth unless it directly serves his own interests. Similarly, flawed individuals often try to imitate Satan's deceitful strategy in order to justify their own desires.

Therefore, there is no engaging in reasoning with Satan, just as there is no reasoning with those who have hardened their hearts to accept Satan as their father.

This thread was not meant to be a political, controversial, or universally deceptive discussion, as is often seen here. Rather, it was intended as a genuine biblical topic. Unfortunately, the discussion was marred by the presence of an uncivil individual.

This raises the question of how much influence Satan can exert on our lives if we allow it by withholding the truth and using manipulated, exaggerated, or deceptive facts.

15 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

And don't answer me from JWs literature. Because that is not a strong enough argument.

Can you ask a question unrelated to the Bible? You might receive a direct answer. The questions you posted are related to the Bible and deserve a response related to it. Do you want a Catholic interpretation of a biblical response?

 

[Srecko Sostar]

7 hours ago, George88 said:

This raises the question of how much influence Satan can exert on our lives if we allow it by withholding the truth and using manipulated, exaggerated, or deceptive facts.

Hiding and holding the truth out is often the hallmark of GB members and their lawyers. So I agree with you on how important this issue is.

7 hours ago, George88 said:

The questions you posted are related to the Bible and deserve a response related to it.

Ok. Give some interpretations, please.

[George88]

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Hiding and holding the truth out is often the hallmark of GB members and their lawyers. So I agree with you on how important this issue is.

Your perspective is irrelevant as you are intent on distorting the truth. I cannot engage in an agreement with someone who has turned away, from their beliefs.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Ok. Give some interpretations, please.

It is possible that you may come to agree that Satan from other Christian denominations is unable to utter the truth, just as you dismiss the parallel biblical perspectives presented by the Watchtower.

John & the Gospel of Love.
John's theology is marked by artless simplicity and spiritual depth. The highest art conceals art. As in poetry, so in religion, the most natural is the most perfect. He moves in a small circle of ideas as compared with Paul, but these ideas are fundamental and all-comprehensive. He goes back to first principles and sees the strong point without looking sideways or taking note of exceptions. Christ and Antichrist, believers and unbelievers, children of God and children of the devil, truth and falsehood, light and darkness, love and hatred, life and death: these are the great contrasts under which he views the religious world. These he sets forth again and again with majestic simplicity.
(from Schaff's History of the Church)

Why was John selected for this illustration if not to highlight its reference to John 8:44? Hence, who can be regarded as the offspring of the devil if not those who propagate lies?

How can you defend Satan?

Now, another apostate claimed here, by suggesting that the GB and the Watchtower are destined for hell, despite the fact that the individual making that claim is already there. Therefore, it is evident that the falsehood of this person's statement is self-evident.

Can that person prove that the individual is not a false prophet reflecting on that place in hell based on their words, actions, and behavior, which aligns with Satan's perceived truth?

How can one possibly assert to speak the truth when their standpoint is rooted in deceit?
 

[Pudgy]