Christian Denominations Chart - Starting w/ the Commentary on JW's

[John 12.24to28]

17 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

A modern example from WTJWorg that we can use describes this conflict. The law was given in the time of Moses not to eat blood. And people do not eat blood out of respect for that decree. The ordinance continues in the same form in the early days of Christianity....... Then, centuries later, the interpretation arises that the commandment not to eat blood means not to receive a blood transfusion. Has the original Commandment been changed or not? Then we go even further in time where the Bible scholars at WTJWorg add a later explanation about blood transfusions and say that some parts of the blood are forbidden and other parts of the blood are not forbidden to take. Has there been a change in the Law/Regulation/Order? Or do you think it isn't? Do you think it was just a clarification? :))

 

God's law has not changed. The governing body has misled the people into "eating things sacrificed to idols", namely, the idols of the medical system. Because of fear of man and feeling the need to compromise, or because of outright disobedience, or maybe some other reason, I don't know, the GB has told the people lies, that somehow "blood fractions" are not blood. 🤔🙄🤨?

 

Jehovah has not changed, and He's mad at them for misleading the people.

 

Jehovah didn't ask for tithes from the Christian congregation. He didn't require pioneers or elder schools or a Bethel or movie studios or publications. He said "don't commit immorality" and "don't take blood."

 

"For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things:  to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!” (Acts 15:28,29)

 

What part of "no" don't they understand?

 

 

 

Because of teaching the flock to accept blood fractions, the GB has led the congregation into spiritual adultery, a form of spiritual fornication and unfaithfulness. It's not a "conscience matter" to disregard the blood of the Christ. Accepting even a fraction of human blood is disobedient to Jehovah's command to "pour out the blood on the ground", and is like having "a one night stand" with an idol, a false god that cannot save a life. There is no medical treatment on earth that will save a person's life forever. There is no medical treatment on earth that will keep someone from ever dying. Only Jesus' blood can do that. But it has to be at Jehovah's appointed time. Sometimes we just have to wait. Jesus had to wait. He doesn't ask anything more of us than he was willing to do. He can help us wait.

 

"“‘Nevertheless, I have a few things against you, that you have there those adhering to the teaching of Baʹlaam, who taught Baʹlak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit sexual immorality.  In the same way, you also have those adhering to the teaching of the sect of Nic·o·laʹus.  So repent. If you do not, I am coming to you quickly, and I will war against them with the long sword of my mouth." (Revelation 2:14-16)

 

"‘Nevertheless, I do hold this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezʹe·bel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and misleads my slaves to commit sexual immorality and to eat things sacrificed to idols.  And I gave her time to repent, but she is not willing to repent of her sexual immorality.  Look! I am about to throw her into a sickbed, and those committing adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds.  And I will kill her children with deadly plague, so that all the congregations will know that I am the one who searches the innermost thoughts and hearts, and I will give to you individually according to your deeds." (Revelation 2:20-23)

 

The GB is like Balaam and like Jezebel. They have misled the people into spiritual fornication. Jesus said he's going to clear things up. You know what happened to Balaam and to Jezebel.

 

(Hopefully they repent before Jesus gets here, those Balaam/Jezebel types. They won't all repent. The Bible says so.)

 

"And I will kill her children with deadly plague, so that all the congregations will know that I am the one who searches the innermost thoughts and hearts, and I will give to you individually according to your deeds."

 

These plagues are figurative. They are the plagues of Revelation. This "kill" is figurative. It has to do with repentance. When they are "killed" it just means they "die" as to their former bad ways and do good instead.

 

"But the rest of the people who were not killed by these plagues did not repent of the works of their hands; they did not stop worshipping the demons and the idols of gold and silver and copper and stone and wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk.  And they did not repent of their murders nor of their spiritistic practices nor of their sexual immorality nor of their thefts." (Revelation 9:20,21)

 

[Pudgy]

At one time, circa 1973 or so, the Society got a bee in it’s bonnet to try and forbid “bedroom gymnastics” between husbands and wives which resulted in thousands of broken marriages and disfellowshippings and destroyed marriages.

There was a general rebellion about that for about six more years, resulting in more disfellowshippings and destroyed marriages.

Then they shut up as creepy bedroom police, and I don’t remember hearing a peep about that since the early 1980’s.

Apparently they “learned their lesson”, but the damage was immense.

I cannot remember the timeline that for several years it was official policy, published in the Watchtower on several occasions that if a husband had a homosexual sex life, a Sister could NOT consider that as grounds for divorce, and many were doomed to have to just endure it.

After several years there was “NEW LIGHT” (click SPOING!), and they changed the policy.

THEY paid no price whatsoever for the massive ruination of peoples’ lives.

Not even an apology.

And things like that, dear audience is WHY you are forbidden to talk to disfellowshipped one’s.

That is the reason “shunning” is a requirement.

If this was any government that wanted to keep secrets secret, it is called “compartmentalization”.

 

[John 12.24to28]

24 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

At one time, circa 1973 or so, the Society got a bee in it’s bonnet to try and forbid “bedroom gymnastics” between husbands and wives which resulted in thousands of broken marriages and disfellowshippings and destroyed marriages.

There was a general rebellion about that for about six more years, resulting in more disfellowshippings and destroyed marriages.

Then they shut up as creepy bedroom police, and I don’t remember hearing a peep about that since the early 1980’s.

Apparently they “learned their lesson”, but the damage was immense.

I cannot remember the timeline that for several years it was official policy, published in the Watchtower on several occasions that if a husband had a homosexual sex life, a Sister could NOT consider that as grounds for divorce, and many were doomed to have to just endure it.

After several years there was “NEW LIGHT” (click SPOING!), and they changed the policy.

THEY paid no price whatsoever for the massive ruination of peoples’ lives.

Not even an apology.

And things like that, dear audience is WHY you are forbidden to talk to disfellowshipped one’s.

That is the reason “shunning” is a requirement.

If this was any government that wanted to keep secrets secret, it is called “compartmentalization”.

 

 

I remember reading about that stuff at the beginning of Ray Franz's book, Crisis of Conscience.  Yikes! 

 

"Mountains" in the Bible sometimes symbolize governments. When "the mountains fall" during some of the Revelation plagues, it includes such "governments" as the one the GB has set up in opposition to Jehovah's clear direction.

 

"But he said to them: “The kings of the nations lord it over them, and those having authority over them are called Benefactors.  You, though, are not to be that way. But let the one who is the greatest among you become as the youngest, and the one taking the lead as the one ministering." (Luke 22:25,26)

 

"The second angel blew his trumpet. And something like a great mountain burning with fire was hurled into the sea. And a third of the sea became blood..." (Revelation 8:8)

 

When Jehovah turned the Nile into blood, it was because the Nile represented bloodguilt. The Egyptians had thrown the Hebrew babies into the Nile as a form of infanticide. Even though the Egyptians worshipped the Nile, it was not a source of life for God's people. It is the same today. The mock government that is being worshipped as an idol is bloodguilty in Jehovah's eyes. 

[John 12.24to28]

"While returning to the city early in the morning, he felt hungry.  He caught sight of a fig tree by the road and went to it, but he found nothing on it except leaves, and he said to it: “Let no fruit come from you ever again.” And the fig tree withered instantly.  When the disciples saw this, they were amazed and said: “How is it that the fig tree withered instantly?”  In answer Jesus said to them: “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only will you do what I did to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ it will happen.  And all the things you ask in prayer, having faith, you will receive.” (Matthew 21:18-22)

 

 

[Pudgy]

I was there … I saw it. 

Perhaps that is why the line resonates with me so dramatically, “Don’t piss on my back and tell me it’s raining”.

[John 12.24to28]

"All of this I have seen, and I applied my heart to every work that has been done under the sun, during the time that man has dominated man to his harm." (Ecclesiastes 8:9)

 

 

[John 12.24to28]

 

 

You will see it when Jehovah makes an accounting and sets everything right. How good it will be for everyone to finally have peace.💖

 

"For you will go out with rejoicing,

And in peace you will be brought back.  

The mountains and the hills will become cheerful before you with a joyful cry,

And the trees of the field will all clap their hands.  

Instead of thornbushes the juniper tree will grow,

And instead of the stinging nettle the myrtle tree will grow.  

And it will bring fame to Jehovah,

An everlasting sign that will never perish."

 

(Isaiah 55:12,13)

 

Until then, I hope you can have some peace and rest, as much as is possible in this world right now, while we wait for That Day...it is coming, likely at the time we least expect it. 🙂

 

 

 

"As a deer that longs for streams of water, 

So I long for you, O God.  

I do thirst for God, for the living God. 

When may I come and appear before God? 

My tears are my food day and night; 

All day long people taunt me: 

“Where is your God?”  

These things I remember, and I pour out my soul, 

For I once walked along with the multitude; 

I used to walk solemnly before them to the house of God, 

With sounds of rejoicing and thanksgiving, 

Those of a crowd celebrating a festival.  

Why am I in despair? 

Why is this turmoil within me? 

Wait for God, 

For I will yet praise him as my Grand Savior....

...Judge me, O God, 

Defend my legal case against a disloyal nation.  

Rescue me from the man of deception and unrighteousness. 

For you are my God, my fortress. 

Why have you cast me off? 

Why must I walk about sad because of the oppression by my enemy? 

Send out your light and your truth. 

May these lead me; 

May they guide me to your holy mountain and to your grand tabernacle.  

Then I will come to the altar of God, 

To God, my exceeding joy.  

And I will praise you with the harp, 

O God, my God. 

Why am I in despair? 

Why is this turmoil within me? 

Wait for God, 

For I will yet praise him as my Grand Savior and my God." 

 

(Psalm 42-43)

 

"For look! the day is coming, burning like a furnace, when all the presumptuous ones and all those practicing wickedness will become like stubble. The coming day will certainly devour them,” says Jehovah of armies, “and it will leave them neither root nor branch.  But on you who honor my name, the sun of righteousness will shine, with healing in its rays; and you will skip about like fattened calves." (Malachi 4:1,2)

 

(Sometimes we fall asleep for awhile and then wake up later.)

 

Thank you for loving justice - true justice is from Jehovah. I know you love Jehovah because you love His Ways and His Friends. Good night for now, my friend.🙂

[Pudgy]

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[Srecko Sostar]

5 hours ago, AudreyAnnaNana said:

I am not sure, @Srecko Sostar, if this is how you meant that word: "Unsubordinate: Not subordinate; not of inferior rank, dignity, class, or order."

Yes, you are right, perhaps google translator didn't understand me  

Word Insubordinate would be right. 

insubordinate

adjective

   formal disapprovingUK  /ˌɪn.səˈbɔː.dɪ.nət/ US  /ˌɪn.səˈbɔːr.dən.ət/

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(of a person) not willing to obey orders from people in authority, or (of actions and speech, etc.) showing that you are not willing to obey orders:

[Pudgy]

I was there … I saw it. 

You can look it all up in archived Watchtowers.

…. what kind of mind downvotes hard facts that can be checked and verified with the sources own sources?

Fausto Hoover.

[Pudgy]

Here’s a idea ….!

if you are trying to convey information to others, put it in small print AND make the print almost invisible light grey!

it’s a real time saver for the reader, as he can skip over it to something he CAN read.

[John 12.24to28]

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Yes, you are right, perhaps google translator didn't understand me  

Word Insubordinate would be right. 

insubordinate

adjective

   formal disapprovingUK  /ˌɪn.səˈbɔː.dɪ.nət/ US  /ˌɪn.səˈbɔːr.dən.ət/

Add to word list 

(of a person) not willing to obey orders from people in authority, or (of actions and speech, etc.) showing that you are not willing to obey orders:

 

Oh, well Jesus was definitely not insubordinate, he always obeyed Jehovah's orders. Jesus was the least insubordinate person ever to walk the earth. Maybe the Pharisees labeled him as "insubordinate" because Jesus didn't bow to their will when it was opposed to Jehovah's will, but Jesus' was the most obedient person ever. 

 

Today when we do our best to obey Jehovah regardless of what other authorities think, sometimes they mislabel us "insubordinate" too. But that's because they misunderstand our motivations.