Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?

[Space Merchant]

14 hours ago, Dmitar said:

But really, how hard is it to distinguish a Unitarian, a Unitarian Church, and a Universalist? Mainly, the argument about trinity. 

It isn't that hard. But the main thing is the idea is to assume all Unitarians are the same. @Patiently waiting for Truth and @Srecko Sostar made that mistake before, even @Cos who is known to alter history to benefit the Trinitarian belief.

[Pudgy]

….. is there ANYONE … that if you asked them, would describe themselves as a “fake Christian”?

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11 hours ago, Witness said:

No.  Paul did not say that  prophesy had ceased, and I'm talking about inspired prophesy.  @Patiently waiting for Truth is right, you are misleading a young one; one that should come out of the organization. (Matt 24:15,16; Rev 18:4-8)

It is clear you do not understand the context of Paul's Words, granted of what was quoted to you before. Prophesying in regards to predict by means of visons had ceased. Along with tongues, the knowledge noted in the passage. This knowledge is by means of the holy spirit of which majority of Christian had in the 1st century, even around during and after Pentecost 33AD. It is in association with miraculous gifts, granted these gifts have ceased because they played a particular role in redemptive history in accrediting the ministry, during that time, it never continued afterwards. Sprit Led ones are capable of prophesying, but primarily of the gospel message, coming of the Messianic Age, etc. not of visions and or similar.

I don't mislead, so please spare yourself of accusations.

That being said, there is a reason as to why the 1st century is noted as the Apostolic Age (33AD - 100AD)

11 hours ago, Witness said:

"Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. But when that which is ^[d]perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.

And? Paul and John were still alive during that time, the purpose the Apostle and those with such gifts were active until the the near of the 1st century. More so, they had partial knowledge. You are not understanding nothing of what Paul is saying.

11 hours ago, Witness said:

If you say that prophesy has ceased, then you may as well say that knowledge has ceased. 

Prophesying in terms of predict by means of visions and or similar miraculous gifts - Yes.

Hence the difference

• An inspired prophet possesses the miraculous gift of prophesy, inspired and infallible utterance and predictions, as proof they are having the Holy Spirit.
• A normal, Spirit led Prophet who is clearly not inspired and not infallible have the gifts of the spirit regarding prophesying.

It served it's purpose when the the Christian was starting up, and ended around the near end of the 1st century, around that same timeframe, Apostle John, the last Apostle, had passed.

11 hours ago, Witness said:

Nowhere in the scriptures did the apostles say that prophesy would cease before all is "complete". 

He literally says it in the verse you quoted.

Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.

40AD-60AD was still the 1st century, so the miraculous gifts persisted still, but evidently, it came to an end. For in that time, not only the people were convinced by the words of the Apostles, but the gifts of what the spirit gave, to push people in the direction of the Christ.

[Pudgy]

Witness believes that for which she cannot give a SINGLE EXAMPLE.

When specifically challenged to do so, she choked n’ folded, using MANY words to say NOTHING.

Not

One

Single

Example.

 

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14 hours ago, Witness said:

I know nothing about the Unitarian Church only a little from your posts that I may have read,  or about your "Biblical" Unitarianism.

Then why make an assumption? Wouldn't it be best to know what Unitarian you are referring to?

that being said, having Biblical  knowledge enables me to not adhere to the Unisex idea of which you preach as a truth. It is not of the early church, nor is it from the Bible. Likewise with the miraculous gifts.

That being said, there is no way be it you, or myself can speak in tongues, left alone go raise someone back to life like those of old.

14 hours ago, Witness said:

I am asking "Somehow, you have decided you are a Preacher by perhaps your own labeling; or, did others give you that label?" 

Preacher is a Biblical term, not a label. Do not confuse the notions. A Preacher is rooted from a Minister [diakonos (διάκονος)] as well as rooted from Herald [kérux (κῆρυξ)], which is linked with Minister, one of whom who a person proclaims the Message of God, speaks truth, etc. Most importantly, they speak the good news gospel of the Messianic Age of the things to come, they adhere to and respect the Great Commission. Aside from that a Preacher and or Minister teaches people about God from the Bible itself, in addition to maintaining a moral stance, and examples of which can be applied in today's age; give lessons to people so they can learn, apply, in turn teach to others, for not only this examples spreads, it also spreads applying God's qualities of which the Christ applied, likewise with the Fruit of the Spirit.

My own labeling? @Witness are you aware of what a Preacher is? Ironic, for this is common knowledge, perhaps the term Christian would be confusing if brought up also.

14 hours ago, Witness said:

You are a man who loves labeling people, and beliefs.

I call out falsehood and misinformation, this is something I am akin to doing all the time.

You need to see that the Unisex idea is NOT of the Bible or of God. The fact you are defending it speaks volume.

14 hours ago, Witness said:

So where did your label derive from?

For someone who told me once you knew Strong's, I can't help but say this was quite the fail, on your part.

• https://biblehub.com/greek/2783.htm
• https://biblehub.com/greek/1249.htm

Anymore remarks, Witness?

[Space Merchant]

21 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

Witness believes that for which she cannot give a SINGLE EXAMPLE.

When specifically challenged to do so, she choked n’ folded, using MANY words to say NOTHING.

Not

One

Single

Example.

She is a misguided Christian who is shown to lean towards Mainstream ideas without realizing it.

For this I can say everyone is correct concerning Pentecost 33AD, even the likes of @Patiently waiting for Truth granted these gifts essentially began by means of the spirit however, they somehow believe that after Apostle John that these miraculous gifts continued afterwards, like prophesying to predict or have visions.

I asked myself, many times, yet none of them can produce.

[Space Merchant]

13 hours ago, Equivocation said:

Even though we do not have these gifts, true Christians be identified. Jesus said that self-sacrificing love would identify his disciples. (John 13:34, 35) Likewise, the apostle Paul taught that love would be a permanent identifier of genuine Christians. (1 Corinthians 13:1, 😎 He indicated that God’s spirit would produce in Christians the qualities referred to collectively as the fruitage of the spirit, the first quality of which is love.—Galatians 5:22, 23, or what you equated to, to be Berean like.

This is what I said when it came to being spirit led.

13 hours ago, Equivocation said:

Other then that it was quite cool to meet people like that.

Granted your faith community go house to house, the latter of which I speak is rare concerning your faith. If out and about in a debate situation you will see many.

13 hours ago, Equivocation said:

I do have one question tho, you think even before Constatine the Great, that there were those in between John's death to 324-325 A.D. that some people did the same thing? Pretend to have these gifts?

It would not be a surprise if that was the case. Constantine was the primary one concerning Christianity. However, there had been others after that. Examples like people seeing a ghostly version of the Christ, or of Mary, some attest to seeing visions of an apparition emerging from an idol of Mary weeping, to others, something conjured up with a statue of Christ on a Cross. Outlandish things. The one I often see a lot is Fatima situation for people assume such an event to be a great one, not realizing this is something bad, possibly demonic, granted this is a call back as to why my Father did what he did.

Here is an example, possibly sometime before Bible Students - Agnes Ozman spoken of to have spoken in tongues, which was claimed.

13 hours ago, Equivocation said:

I also see that @Srecko Sostar assumed your mindset to be like the pastor you mentioned, but of course, you already know what to expect from the Cedar group.

Well of course, Srecko knew what he did try and fool people not realizing he fooled himself. Cedar is quite miniscule and irrelevant, just like David Wood. Other then that the Pastor is not favorable towards women and sees them for only one function, nor does he believe that they can be Ministers when the Bible has examples.

[Witness]

11 hours ago, Pudgy said:

So, Witness, with ALL THOSE WORDS …..

You got not a single valid example.

Ya got NUTHIN’ !

 Are you expecting a person to predict something totally out of the realm of prophesy already established in the scriptures?  Like…a prediction that money will fall from heaven on a certain date and it happens?   Is that the type of prophesy you’re thinking of? 🙂  It sounds like the work of sorcery, of “lying signs and wonders”, just as 1914 was. (2 Thess 2:9; Matt 24:23-25; 1 Tim 4:1; Col 2:8)

God talks about this in Deut 13:1-5. It says, God “tests” His people.  He allows the test, which originates with the devil. (Luke 22:31)  Where did God’s saints, the remnant, end up over the last 150 years?  In the Watchtower organization that has become their idol.  No JW that is fully devoted to it, can tear themselves away and follow only, the Father and the Son as warned about in the Deuteronomy 13.   (Rev 13:4-8)

John the Baptist preached repentance and to “prepare the way” for the coming of the Messiah.

The last prophet bears a similar message as John the Baptist/”Elijah”, for God’s holy people to “prepare the way” for the return of Christ.  (Isa 42:16; Mark 1:3; Matt 17:11,12; Rev 11:1-3)

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Witness said:

Are you expecting a person to predict something totally out of the realm of prophesy already established in the scriptures?  Like…a prediction that money will fall from heaven on a certain date and it happens?   Is that the type of prophesy you’re thinking of? 🙂  It sounds like the work of sorcery, of “lying signs and wonders”, just as 1914 was. (2 Thess 2:9; Matt 24:23-25; 1 Tim 4:1; Col 2:8)

Regarding the situation with 1914, the Pastor of Bible Students never made claim to being a Prophet Inspired. So much so Reslight, who studied the Bible Students, being one himself, gave ample information on this matter, as did the people of CSE and to credit, even the successor of bible Students, the Jehovah's Witnesses. Moreover, you have those who dabble in history.

Therefore, it would have been a problem 100% if he did claim inspiration of that magnitude.

24 minutes ago, Witness said:

God talks about this in Deut 13:1-5. It says, God “tests” His people.  He allows the test, which originates with the devil. (Luke 22:31)  Where did God’s saints, the remnant, end up over the last 150 years?  In the Watchtower organization that has become their idol.  No JW that is fully devoted to it, can tear themselves away and follow only, the Father and the Son as warned about in the Deuteronomy 13.   (Rev 13:4-8)

We know God talks to his people, even helps them, but the fact he offered specific gifts was for a reason. Your other assertion is irrelevant.

24 minutes ago, Witness said:

John the Baptist preached repentance and to “prepare the way” for the coming of the Messiah.

Everyone knows that, but he did more than the notion of Repentance. If you knew as to why he baptized people in the Jordan River, you'd realize the major reason behind it, it was not only concerning Repentance.

24 minutes ago, Witness said:

The last prophet bears a similar message as John the Baptist/”Elijah”, for God’s holy people to “prepare the way” for the return of Christ.  (Isa 42:16; Mark 1:3; Matt 17:11,12; Rev 11:1-3)

They did, which is known, but their gifts are no more, hence the history after 100AD.

 

That being said, now I know why the defense of the Mainstream belief other than the Unisex one. Because Pearl Doxsey herself claims to have miraculous gifts to produce Visions. For instance, the mention of being taken by angels on flight, Angelic Guides... So much so her Acolytes, even attested to this too, comparing her to legitimate Inspired Prophets example below:

And now the cracks of the armor, is seen. For Pearl, noted several times of having various visions, even so, attempted to share it with Jehovah's Witnesses.

If anything we see the fulfillment of many of the inspired visions of old, we do not produce them ourselves, nor God gives them today granted the purpose of such was already established.

 

As for you my dog loving friend, @Pudgy as you can see, the reason for the defense:

Claim of inspiration in this regard, to have such abilities, I do not think the latter or her friends can defend this. But granted this was found, of which was of her own design, now we understand the ideas of Pearl.

Constantine the Great, The Ghost of Fátima, Ozman etc. and now this.

[Dmitar]

8 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

It isn't that hard. But the main thing is the idea is to assume all Unitarians are the same.

Agree, however, in our institution, there is no such thing. Unity in Christ is appliable by Christ instruction and God's command. Therefore, there are no divisions or different churches among our ranks.

Now, I'm not talking about people here that disgrace that unity and our Church. I'm referring to loyal and faithful JWs.

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

8 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

One does not need to be advanced in Scriptural knowledge to see that the Unisex Teaching is not of the Church, but surely, you would not bat your eyes in that regard because of justifiable cause, hence, being hypocritical.

You seem to have roped me in on this idea of 'Unisex teaching'.  I am not @Witness, I do not believe that women should be 'leaders' in a True Christian congregation. 

I do believe that women are part of the Chosen 144,000 Anointed. 

Now concerning the JW org, I do think that women could be used to comfort other women and to comfort children when a woman or child is being interrogated by the Elders.. 

These two words 'the Church', what exactly are they supposed to mean when YOU use them ? 

Those two words 'the Church', to me, mean the True Anointed ones, the 144,000 chosen ones that will be 'Kings and Priests' in heaven.  

8 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Speaking of the Commission, Jesus gave command concerning this, but I doubt you or someone else knows what that entails either, or has done did in the last 24 hours.

I am constantly mentioning the coming 'new world', the cleansing of this Earth, God's heavenly Kingdom, and the reasons that this 'world' is so wicked.  I constantly get my comments removed or not allowed on MSN articles. I mention God's purpose for this Earth and that God offers ever lasting life when i comment on Facebook topics. BUT i do not go 'house to house' and I do not stand on street corners preaching. I talk with my wife about YHWH and Yeshua when we sit and eat and when we work in the garden.  YHWH and Yeshua are always in my heart and regularly on my mind. 

 

[Space Merchant]

@Dmitar Yes, but as always, EXJWs, Trinitarians and KJV-Onlyist are miniscule, the legitimate threat is Babylon and the bigger fish that reside with her. As are the ideas and out of core ideas that never originated with the early church.