Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?

[C-D67]

1 hour ago, xero said:

Did the apostles EVER tell a lie?

Did they EVER teach the doctrine of men?

Did they EVER appoint a date for Armageddon?

Did the EVER add to God's word?

Yes to all of these, and Jehovah had to clean up after them.

 

[C-D67]

1 hour ago, BroRando said:

Wasn't Simon Peter an Apostle who lied several times of not knowing Jesus Christ?

Peter denied Jesus three times because he feared for his safety, knowing that execution was the probable outcome if the authorities seized him. When Peter uttered his three denials, Jesus’ trial was underway, and it was clear that the authorities were treating him unjustly and that death was imminent. Why do the Gospels record Peter’s denials?

Denial is not the same as stubbornly refusing to admit the obvious. It’s also not the same as kidding yourself about the truth of things. In short, denial is not conscious lying, but rather unconscious protection against unbearable pain.

[BroRando]

1 hour ago, C-D67 said:

Peter denied Jesus three times because he feared for his safety, knowing that execution was the probable outcome if the authorities seized him. When Peter uttered his three denials, Jesus’ trial was underway, and it was clear that the authorities were treating him unjustly and that death was imminent. Why do the Gospels record Peter’s denials?

Denial is not the same as stubbornly refusing to admit the obvious. It’s also not the same as kidding yourself about the truth of things. In short, denial is not conscious lying, but rather unconscious protection against unbearable pain.

Peter lied to save his own skin because of the fear of men.  Followers of Jesus Christ are imperfect and can mistakes. To claim that the Governing Body is perfect and infallable is someone who is very weak or disillusioned in the faith.

Didn't Paul attest to those whom eat only vegetables are weak in the faith? (Romans 14:2)

Peter was weak in the faith.  There is a DIFFERENCE between weakness and wickedness.  The wicked one whom judges other servants of Jehovah will also be judged by their own measure. (Matthew 7:1-2)

[C-D67]

1 hour ago, BroRando said:

Peter lied to save his own skin because of the fear of men.  Followers of Jesus Christ are imperfect and can mistakes. To claim that the Governing Body is perfect and infallable is someone who is very weak or disillusioned in the faith. √

In fact, the Bible has much to say about the  right foundation, which starts with Christ Jesus as the cornerstone. Here are some great KJV Bible verses about the right foundation. Buildings & Foundations 1 Kings 5:17 And the king commanded, and they brought great stones, costly stones, and hewed stones, to lay the foundation of the house.

*** w13 3/1 p. 14 Peter and Ananias Lied—What Lesson Can We Learn? ***

TEACH YOUR CHILDREN

Peter and Ananias Lied—What Lesson Can We Learn? √

As you know, a lie is something you say that you know is not true. Have you ever told a lie?— Even some grown-ups who love God have lied. You probably know about a person in the Bible who did. His name is Peter, one of Jesus’ 12 apostles. Let’s listen to the story about why he told some lies.

After Jesus is arrested, he is taken to the home of the high priest. It is well past the middle of the night. Peter gets into the courtyard of the priest’s home without being recognized. In the light of a fire, the high priest’s servant girl who let Peter in recognizes him. “You, too, were with Jesus,” she says. Peter, in fear, says he was not.

The Bible says that later “another girl noticed him.” She said: “This man was with Jesus.” Again, Peter denies it. After a little while, others go up to Peter and say: “Certainly you also are one of them.”

Peter is scared. So for the third time, he lies, saying: “I do not know the man!” A rooster crows. Jesus looks at Peter, and Peter remembers that a few hours earlier, Jesus told him: “Before a cock crows, you will disown me three times.” Peter breaks down and cries. He is so sorry!

[BroRando]

12 minutes ago, C-D67 said:

In fact, the Bible has much to say about the  right foundation, which starts with Christ Jesus as the cornerstone. Here are some great KJV Bible verses about the right foundation. Buildings & Foundations 1 Kings 5:17 And the king commanded, and they brought great stones, costly stones, and hewed stones, to lay the foundation of the house.

*** w13 3/1 p. 14 Peter and Ananias Lied—What Lesson Can We Learn? ***

TEACH YOUR CHILDREN

Peter and Ananias Lied—What Lesson Can We Learn? √

As you know, a lie is something you say that you know is not true. Have you ever told a lie?— Even some grown-ups who love God have lied. You probably know about a person in the Bible who did. His name is Peter, one of Jesus’ 12 apostles. Let’s listen to the story about why he told some lies.

After Jesus is arrested, he is taken to the home of the high priest. It is well past the middle of the night. Peter gets into the courtyard of the priest’s home without being recognized. In the light of a fire, the high priest’s servant girl who let Peter in recognizes him. “You, too, were with Jesus,” she says. Peter, in fear, says he was not.

The Bible says that later “another girl noticed him.” She said: “This man was with Jesus.” Again, Peter denies it. After a little while, others go up to Peter and say: “Certainly you also are one of them.”

Peter is scared. So for the third time, he lies, saying: “I do not know the man!” A rooster crows. Jesus looks at Peter, and Peter remembers that a few hours earlier, Jesus told him: “Before a cock crows, you will disown me three times.” Peter breaks down and cries. He is so sorry!

Yes. The Kingdom of God is not far off from you... 😀

[Witness]

5 hours ago, xero said:

@C-D67

Did the apostles EVER tell a lie?

Did they EVER teach the doctrine of men?

Did they EVER appoint a date for Armageddon?

Did the EVER add to God's word?

Yes to all of these, and Jehovah had to clean up after them.

Really!  Are you serious?  Are you joking about God's word, which would be mocking God? 

I am amazed that you are so quickly turning away from him who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another gospel, but there are some who are troubling you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, a curse be on him! 9 As we have said before, I now say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, a curse be on him!  Gal 1:6-9

If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound[a] words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, 4 he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, 5 and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.  1 Tim 6:3-5

 

[Witness]

22 hours ago, Pudgy said:

Oh, I dunno, I was more offended by Stephen Lett referring to them as “little angels”.

Well, there will probably more incidences like this one in the future ,resulting from Lett's pure evil stupidity.

https://avoidjw.org/world/ecuador-jw-woman-locked-between-silence-murder-baby/

 

[Witness]

6 hours ago, C-D67 said:

Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

You must be thinking that I should "forgive" GB Lett for his error in calling babies "little enemies of God".  You presented a quote from your magazine earlier saying that the GB imitate Jesus Christ; so which is it?  Does he imitate Jesus with those words, or not?  

He is a leader of millions of people, and whatever he teaches, people believe comes from Jesus Christ.  One woman has killed her baby because of his words.  Will the father forgive Lett?  We are seeing already the ramifications of his lie.  

Every day, the elder body disfellowships individuals who stand up to false teachings, similar to what S. Lett stated in the convention.  The scripture you quoted applies to the anointed who have no role in the organization; but elders not anointed have been given the authority to "kill" any who disagree with Lett, Herd, Morris, Cook, Jackson, Splane, Sanderson, and Losch. (John 16:2; Rev 13:15) There is no forgiveness exercised by the eight of them - only judgment decreed on those who disagree their self-appointed authority and teachings that cause the ruin of millions.  Matt 24:48-51. Who are they to judge someone else's servant?

[C-D67]

49 minutes ago, Witness said:

You must be thinking that I should "forgive" GB Lett for his error in calling babies "little enemies of God".  You presented a quote from your magazine earlier saying that the GB imitate Jesus Christ; so which is it?  Does he imitate Jesus with those words, or not?  

*** w18 December p. 26 par. 9 Young Ones, You Can Have a Satisfying Life ***
9 God’s love for us is sometimes expressed through fatherly correction. David welcomed such kindly counsel. He said: “I will praise Jehovah, who has given me advice. Even during the night, my innermost thoughts correct me.” (Ps. 16:7) Yes, he meditated on God’s thoughts, making them his own and allowing them to mold him. When you in faith do the same, you too will grow in love for God and in your desire to obey him. You will also gain spiritual maturity and depth. A sister named Christin said, “When I do research and meditate on what I read, I get the feeling that Jehovah had this penned just for me!”

MATURITY

WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT SPIRITUAL MATURITY?

BIBLE READING: Deuteronomy 7:1-26

KEY BIBLE VERSE: The LORD your God will drive those nations out ahead of you little by little. You will not clear them away all at once, for if you did, the wild animals would multiply too quickly for you. (Deuteronomy 7:22)

SPIRITUAL MATURITY IS A GRADUAL PROCESS.

Moses told the Israelites that God would destroy Israel’s enemies, but not all at once. God had the power to destroy those nations instantly, but he chose to do it in stages. In the same way and with the same power, God could miraculously and instantaneously change your life. Usually, however, he chooses to help you gradually, teaching you one lesson at a time. Rather than expecting instant spiritual maturity and solutions to all your problems, slow down and work one step at a time, trusting God to make up the difference between where you should be and where you are now. You’ll soon look back and see that a miraculous transformation has occurred.

BIBLE READING: Colossians 1:15-29

KEY BIBLE VERSE: Everywhere we go, we tell everyone about Christ. We warn them and teach them with all the wisdom God has given us, for we want to present them to God, perfect in their relationship to Christ. (Colossians 1:28)

THE GOAL OF EVERY BELIEVER IS SPIRITUAL MATURITY.

The word perfect means mature or complete, not flawless. Paul wanted to see each believer mature spiritually. Like Paul, we must work as wholeheartedly as an athlete, but we should not strive in our own strength alone. We have the power of his Spirit working in us. We can learn and grow daily, motivated by love, not by fear or pride, knowing that God gives the energy to become mature.

THE FIRST STEP TOWARD SPIRITUAL MATURITY IS FAITH IN CHRIST.

Christ’s message is for everyone; so everywhere Paul and Timothy went they brought the Good News to all who would listen. An effective presentation of the gospel includes warning and teaching. The warning is that without Christ, people are doomed to eternal separation from God. The teaching is that salvation is available through faith in Christ. As Christ works in you, tell others about him, warning and teaching them in love. Who do you know that needs to hear this message?

BIBLE READING: Hebrews 6:1-20

KEY BIBLE VERSE: Let us stop going over the basics of Christianity again and again. Let us go on instead and become mature in our understanding. Surely we don’t need to start all over again with the importance of turning away from evil deeds and placing our faith in God. (Hebrews 6:1)

SPIRITUAL MATURITY BEGINS WITH THE BASICS OF THE FAITH.

Certain elementary teachings are essential for all believers to understand. Those basics include the importance of faith, the foolishness of trying to be saved by good deeds, the meaning of baptism and spiritual gifts, and the facts of resurrection and eternal life. To go on to maturity in our understanding, we need to move beyond (but not away from) the elementary teachings to a more complete understanding of the faith. And this is what the author intends for them to do (6:3). Mature Christians should be teaching new Christians the basics. Then, acting on what they know, the mature will learn even more from God’s Word.

BIBLE READING: Hebrews 13:1-25

KEY BIBLE VERSE: May the God of peace, who brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, equip you with all you need for doing his will. May he produce in you, through the power of Jesus Christ, all that is pleasing to him. Jesus is the great Shepherd of the sheep by an everlasting covenant, signed with his blood. To him be glory forever and ever. Amen. (Hebrews 13:20)

*** w52 8/15 pp. 501-502 pars. 18-19 God’s Spirit Essential to Maturity ***
18 This question of maturity of understanding immediately follows Paul’s explanation of how the spiritual man can examine and search all things. For he goes on to say, in 1 Corinthians 3:1-4 (NW), that those at Corinth were not yet “spiritual”, but were “fleshly” minded, immature babes in Christ, still only fit for a milk diet and hence in a weak condition, not strong enough to resist the fleshly impulses of jealousy and strife and sectarianism. In the natural way, babies may be the most lovable little objects and surely are so in their parents’ eyes; but that does not apply spiritually.
19 Besides mature understanding as being necessary to learn how to overcome successfully the fleshly impulses, Paul points out at Hebrews 5:11–6:3 (NW) another reason why this maturity is so essential. After saying that a babe restricted to milk food illustrates one “unacquainted with the word of righteousness”, satisfied with understanding merely the ‘elementary doctrines’, then Paul stresses that “solid food belongs to mature people, to those who through use have their perceptive powers trained to distinguish both right and wrong”. What a fine definition of what mature understanding means! Therefore let us by all means “press on to maturity”. After having first “tasted that the Lord is kind”, we must not stand still, but must “grow to salvation”. (1 Pet. 2:2, 3, NW) 
 

[xero]

11 hours ago, Witness said:

Really!  Are you serious?  Are you joking about God's word, which would be mocking God? 

I am amazed that you are so quickly turning away from him who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another gospel, but there are some who are troubling you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, a curse be on him! 9 As we have said before, I now say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, a curse be on him!  Gal 1:6-9

If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound[a] words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, 4 he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, 5 and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.  1 Tim 6:3-5

 

You're full of yourself which isn't saying anything everyone else has already observed. You remind me of Mr. Coffee.

[C-D67]

13 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

Denial is lying plain and simple, either because the person doesn’t want to get caught, expose himself or is ashamed, angry, guilt-ridden or distrustful. but

A lie, by definition, is an intentionally false statement. In entails the person knowing that something is false and still saying that it is true anyway. Which is a little different from denial of the truth. Because the person who is denying the truth may not be aware that what they’re doing is false.

 

Laying foundation is not a dreary task, like filling out a form at a bank. You should always examine your witness in a way that will build interest and anticipation for the evidence that the foundation supports. Approach: Lay your foundation concisely and, if possible, in a way that builds interest in what will follow.

 

de·ny

/dəˈnī/

verb

• 1.state that one refuses to admit the truth or existence of:"they deny any responsibility for the tragedy"Similarcontradictrepudiategainsaydeclare untrueOppositeconfirm
• 2.refuse to give or grant (something requested or desired) to (someone):"the inquiry was denied access to intelligence sources"Similarrefuseturn downrejectrebuffOppositeaccept

 

In fact, the Bible has much to say about the  right foundation, which starts with Christ Jesus as the cornerstone. Here are some great KJV Bible verses about the right foundation. Buildings & Foundations 1 Kings 5:17 And the king commanded, and they brought great stones, costly stones, and hewed stones, to lay the foundation of the house.

*** w13 3/1 p. 14 Peter and Ananias Lied—What Lesson Can We Learn? ***

TEACH YOUR CHILDREN

Peter and Ananias Lied—What Lesson Can We Learn? √

As you know, a lie is something you say that you know is not true. Have you ever told a lie?— Even some grown-ups who love God have lied. You probably know about a person in the Bible who did. His name is Peter, one of Jesus’ 12 apostles. Let’s listen to the story about why he told some lies.

[C-D67]

*** w19 November pp. 15-16 par. 8 Are You Maintaining Your “Large Shield of Faith”? ***
8 Satan, “the father of the lie,” uses those under his control to spread lies about Jehovah and about our brothers and sisters. (John 8:44) For instance, apostates publish lies and distort facts about Jehovah’s organization on websites and through television and other media. Those lies are among Satan’s “burning arrows.” (Eph. 6:16) How should we respond if someone confronts us with such lies? We reject them! Why? Because we have faith in Jehovah and we trust our brothers. In fact, we avoid all contact with apostates. We do not allow anyone or anything, including curiosity, to draw us into arguing with them.