Resurrection during the thousand year reign?

[HollyW]

1 hour ago, Queen Esther said:

Thats not true ! Strange thoughts you have....  End of discuss for me !

Hmmmm....well then, 'Bye.

[HollyW]

8 hours ago, Melinda Mills said:

Interesting comment from Russell and Rutherford.

 

Glad you found their comments interesting, Melinda, since they were being published as the truth and are today being described as Bible truths Jehovah was blessing them with spiritual insight to rediscover. http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102012144#h=4

Holly

[Shiwiii]

1 hour ago, HollyW said:

Here's those "strange thoughts" from the WT Reasoning book:

 

Also see the article in the 1/1/2011 wt: http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2011006

 

Isn't that putting limitations on God? 

[HollyW]

1 hour ago, Shiwiii said:

Isn't that putting limitations on God? 

Evidently JWs believe that's something God can do, put limits on himself so that there are things that he keeps himself from knowing.  The interesting thing is that they allow for the Father to do this, limit what he knows and yet is still God; but they don't accord the Son the same thing, saying that because there's something he doesn't know that must mean he isn't God, even though the Bible certainly does say the Son is God.

 Anyway, not to get off the topic of your thread.  Are you satisfied that there is no scripture that says the resurrection at the end of the 1,000 years is actually DURING the 1,000 years?

[Shiwiii]

I guess no one has a scripture that supports a resurrection during the thousand year reign. That then makes the belief that there is, just a man made belief and NOT from God or His word.

Psalms 118:8&9

Psalms 146:3

[Melinda Mills]

Seems you all know where to find Watchtower resources. Good of you to quote them as well. As the brother said, let the readers be the judge of the information.

Preparing for spiritual feast this weekend at the regional/inter-island convention themed, "Remain Loyal to Jehovah" - 1-3 July.

Agape

[Shiwiii]

What is the point of being on a forum if there is no personal opinion to present? I mean to regurgitate text from any source, without personal input,  does nothing to foster a discussion.  Isn't that what a forum is about? To foster discussion? 

[HollyW]

1 hour ago, Melinda Mills said:

Seems you all know where to find Watchtower resources. Good of you to quote them as well. As the brother said, let the readers be the judge of the information.

Preparing for spiritual feast this weekend at the regional/inter-island convention themed, "Remain Loyal to Jehovah" - 1-3 July.

Agape

Hi Melinda,

Eoin said I had misrepresented his (and your) beliefs but he offered no evidence that I did.  My sources for what I said are all on the WTS official website, jw.org.  I'll provide them all because, as you and Eoin have said, let the readers judge for themselves, and I agree that they should.  So the following is the evidence I based my statement... [Not so with the rest of JWs. Their faith in Jesus evidently doesn't give Jehovah the confidence to grant them immortality and he isn't so sure that they won't ever sin again.]...on:

 

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Insight Vol. 1, Holiness The state or character of being holy. Holiness means “religious cleanness or purity; sacredness.” http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002055

[ibid p.1130] Christian Holiness. The Leader of Christians, the Son of God, when born as a human, was holy (Lu 1:35), and he maintained that sanctification, or holiness, throughout his earthly life. (Joh 17:19; Ac 4:27; Heb 7:26) This holiness was thorough, perfect, filling his every thought, word, and action. By maintaining his holiness even to a sacrificial death, he made it possible for others to attain holiness. Consequently, those called to be his footstep followers are called with “a holy calling.” (2Ti 1:9) They become Jehovah’s anointed ones, the spiritual brothers of Jesus Christ, and are called “holy ones” or “saints.” (Ro 15:26; Eph 1:1; Php 4:21; compare KJ.) They receive holiness by faith in the ransom sacrifice of Christ. (Php 3:8, 9; 1Jo 1:7) Holiness, then, does not inhere in them, or belong to them, through their own merit, but it comes to them through Jesus Christ.—Ro 3:23-26. http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002055 

[ibid, Immortality, p.1189-1190] Kingdom Heirs Granted Immortality. For the anointed Christians called to reign with Christ in the heavens (1Pe 1:3, 4), the promise is that they share with Christ in the likeness of his resurrection. (Ro 6:5) Thus, as in the case of their Lord and Head, the anointed members of the Christian congregation who die faithful receive a resurrection to immortal spirit life, so that “this which is mortal puts on immortality.” (1Co 15:50-54) As with Jesus, immortality in their case does not mean simply everlasting life, or mere freedom from death. That they, too, are granted “the power of an indestructible life” as fellow heirs with Christ is seen from the apostle Paul’s association of incorruptibility with the immortality they attain. (1Co 15:42-49) Over them “the second death has no authority.”—Re 20:6; See INCORRUPTION.

 

 

This grant of immortality to the Kingdom heirs is all the more remarkable, in view of the fact that even God’s angels are shown to be mortal, despite their possessing spirit bodies, not carnal ones. Angelic mortality is evident in view of the judgment of death entered against the spirit son who became God’s Adversary, or Satan, and also against those other angels who followed that satanic course and “did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place.” (Jude 6; Mt 25:41; Re 20:10, 14) So the grant of “indestructible life” (Heb 7:16) or “indissoluble life” to those Christians who gain the privilege of reigning with God’s Son in the heavenly Kingdom marvelously demonstrates God’s confidence in them.—See HEAVEN (The way to heavenly life); LIFE  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002155

 

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2006607 QFR answers the question: After the final test at the end of the Millennium, will it be possible for humans to sin and die?

 

 

 

In addition to the above, you and Eoin confirmed your belief that not all death is done away with for everyone who is on earth.

 

Hope this helps.

[HollyW]

47 minutes ago, Shiwiii said:

What is the point of being on a forum if there is no personal opinion to present? I mean to regurgitate text from any source, without personal input,  does nothing to foster a discussion.  Isn't that what a forum is about? To foster discussion? 

It might be because of this: http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2001563

8. What does attaining “oneness” in the faith and accurate knowledge require?

8 First, since “oneness” is to be observed, a mature Christian must be in unity and full harmony with fellow believers as far as faith and knowledge are concerned. He does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and “the faithful and discreet slave.” By regularly taking in the spiritual food provided “at the proper time”—through Christian publications, meetings, assemblies, and conventions—we can be sure that we maintain “oneness” with fellow Christians in faith and knowledge.—Matthew 24:45.

[Shiwiii]

2 hours ago, HollyW said:

It might be because of this: http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2001563

8. What does attaining “oneness” in the faith and accurate knowledge require?

8 First, since “oneness” is to be observed, a mature Christian must be in unity and full harmony with fellow believers as far as faith and knowledge are concerned. He does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and “the faithful and discreet slave.” By regularly taking in the spiritual food provided “at the proper time”—through Christian publications, meetings, assemblies, and conventions—we can be sure that we maintain “oneness” with fellow Christians in faith and knowledge.—Matthew 24:45.

and again, doctrines of MEN instead of from God.

[HollyW]

6 minutes ago, Shiwiii said:

and again, doctrines of MEN instead of from God.

Well, Russell's opinion on changing what was being taught does tend to cast JWs as being followers of men rather than followers of Jesus:

His writings are online at these websites: http://wtarchive.svhelden.info/archi...er/w1881_E.pdf and http://www.ctrussell.us/ctrussell/ctrussell.nsf and http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/

Zion's Watch Tower February 1881, p.3: If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now: But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New light" never extinguishes older "light," but adds to it. If you were lighting up a building containing seven gas jets you would not extinguish one every time you lighted another, but would add one light to another and they would be in harmony and thus give increase of light: So is it with the light of truth; the true increase is by adding to, not by substituting one for another.  

His writings are online at these websites: http://wtarchive.svhelden.info/archi...er/w1881_E.pdf and http://www.ctrussell.us/ctrussell/ctrussell.nsf and http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/

[Melinda Mills]

8 hours ago, HollyW said:

Hi Melinda,

Eoin said I had misrepresented his (and your) beliefs but he offered no evidence that I did.  My sources for what I said are all on the WTS official website, jw.org.  I'll provide them all because, as you and Eoin have said, let the readers judge for themselves, and I agree that they should.  So the following is the evidence I based my statement... [Not so with the rest of JWs. Their faith in Jesus evidently doesn't give Jehovah the confidence to grant them immortality and he isn't so sure that they won't ever sin again.]...on:

 

 

 

In addition to the above, you and Eoin confirmed your belief that not all death is done away with for everyone who is on earth.

 

Hope this helps.

Yes, it mentioned the points we made in our own words. Thanks for researching it. Hope you gained something from it as well.  It is good to do research, as it helps us to learn more and know the mind of Jehovah. Jesus said knowledge leads to everlasting life. John 17:3.