Trying to nail down 612 BCE as the date of Nineveh's destruction

[George88]

I guess that means, creation didn't happen since someone made numbers for us to understand, lol!

Where exactly in the Babylonian Chronicles does Dr. Wiseman mention and cite the 18-19 year number? We should be thorough in our scrutiny to ensure that any additions to Dr. Wiseman's research are well-substantiated.

Could you please provide evidence from Dr. Wiseman's chronicles to support the claim that he used the biblical 18-19 years? Additionally, where in the chronicles does it explicitly mention the destruction of Jerusalem in 587 BC during that campaign?

[George88]

9 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

Your hatred and jealousy of me has distorted your thinking.

You have it completely wrong. I find you incredibly dull in a very exciting way.

[JW Insider]

25 minutes ago, George88 said:

Visitors can clearly see the manipulation in your post-JWI, where you take a swerving approach to favor yourself. Let's hope people are not that naive.

Let's hope someone won't be afraid to point out an example, rather than just making empty claims.

[George88]

1 hour ago, JW Insider said:

It doesn't contain any such dates. The point was about the chronology he accepts, and that I accept, and that you reject.

I'm not rejecting his data; I'm rejecting your methodology for reaching the wrong conclusion with Dr. Wiseman's data.

1 hour ago, JW Insider said:

As I said, I don't have to consider the Chronicles, or the military campaigns, or "my account" of anything. I only have to look at the Bible where it says that it was Nebuchadnezzar's 18th and 19th year. Then the astronomical tablets tell me that those years were 587 and 586. They also tell me, of course, that his 7th year was 598. 

Your placement of the biblical account is incorrect, as it is evident from the methodology applied, which leads to 626 BC. Furthermore, why are you avoiding addressing the other Nebuchadnezzar?

1 hour ago, JW Insider said:

Same here. It's also what my astronomy software gives me for the beginning of Nabopolassar's reign. I see no reason or purpose for any misinterpretation, either. Why would anyone want to "misinterpret" those years?

Does your software accurately account for Nabopolassar's ascension to the throne in 626 BC, or is it overlooking that fact? There appears to be significant confusion stemming from incorrect numerical calculations.

[Pudgy]

If you ever put Georgie on the spot, asking for him to prove his assertions, he ALWAYS chokes, and launches ad hominem attacks, and irrelevant diversions.

[George88]

JWI, provide undeniable evidence to the public by pinpointing the exact reference in the Babylonian Chronicles where Dr. Wiseman explicitly mentions 587 BC, using the biblical years 18-19. This is not the first time this request is being made, so it is essential that you back up your claims and demonstrate your unwavering dedication.

Please provide a direct response to the question by making a clear statement based on your claim. Avoid using vague references to the years and BCE, as you previously mentioned. Instead, support your argument with substantial evidence from Dr. Wiseman and credible academic sources.

[George88]

The ad-hominem attacks I learned from all of you. What's your point? @Pudgy

[Pudgy]

29 minutes ago, George88 said:

The ad-hominem attacks I learned from all of you. What's your point? @Pudgy

 

[JW Insider]

9 hours ago, George88 said:

Where exactly in the Babylonian Chronicles does Dr. Wiseman mention and cite the 18-19 year number?

Already answered. I don't know where you got the idea that Wiseman ever cited the 18-19 year number. Look back at my posts. I said Wiseman uses the chronology that puts Nebuchadnezzar's 18^th and 19^th years at 587 and 586. The Chronicles themselves do not contain any BCE-numbered years. They include Nebuchadnezzar's reign from the accession ("zero-^th") year to his 1^st year, his 2^nd, etc., on up to his 11th year. Wiseman calls this 11^th year 594 BCE and he elsewhere acknowledges that Nebuchadnezzar reigned for 43 years.  

He also dates his 37^th year to 568 BCE:

 

So, yes indeed, Wiseman uses the chronology that puts Nebuchadnezzar's 18th year in 587 BCE and his 19th year in 586 BCE. Can you calculate some OTHER BCE year that Wiseman's chronology indicates for those regnal years?

You should also check the book you most recently cited from Wiseman (Nebuchadrezzar and Babylon) which states the following:

Note that this quote above from page 11 gives the reference to Jeremiah and shows again that Wiseman uses the chronology that puts the destruction of Jerusalem (which Jeremiah says is in the 18^th year) as 587 BCE. 

In fact, Wiseman starts the initial siege late in the year 588 so that the entire operation ends in the 18^th year 587 BCE (using Nisan to Nisan reckoning), but the footnote also included below shows that by Tishri to Tishri reckoning some have argued for 586:

And on page 38 and 39 Wiseman cites the verse from Jeremiah 52:30 that I quoted above and naturally assigns that 23^rd year to 582.

So it should be pretty obvious that he consistently used the same chronology that puts years 18 and 19 at 587 and 586 BCE. 

[Srecko Sostar]

9 hours ago, George88 said:

Hoćete li da Srećko pokrene novu raspravu o nedavnim događajima u Houstonu u Texasu? Upravo sam primio e-poruku s informacijama o tome.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/police-shooting-reported-at-joel-osteens-lakewood-megachurch-in-houston/ar-BB1i7DGz

 

Reports, like this unfortunate event, which takes place in the premises of other churches, show that the claim of JWs that the world hates only them has no basis. This event shows that there are people who hate the members of "Babylon the Great" too.

[Srecko Sostar]

5 hours ago, JW Insider said:

Since I have never said anything about that particular gap between the Babylonian and the Persian empire, who is making the distortion? If it's not me, who were you talking about when you said I was sharing distorted views? Are you saying you have NO examples of views I have distorted, but that you made the claim anyway? 

This is Georg's frequent practice.

[Anna]

I AM going to try and work my way through all 11 pages (so far) of this soon....