Would you like to know the truth about Hell?

[Brother Rando 25]

 Is it really a place of eternal punishment by being burned forever and ever as taught by Religion?

[Shiwiii 427]

What did Jesus say about hell? 

[Brother Rando 25]

Hell is quite different from what religion states about it. The good news about the 'ransom sacrifice' of Jesus Christ is that 100% of the people that go to hell come out of it.  "And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous." (Acts 24:15)

Hell is temporary not permanent.  "hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works." (Rev 20:13 KJV)  By means of the 'death' of Jesus Christ, there is a Resurrection.  To state that 'hell' is eternal, is to minimize or even deny the 'death' of Christ.  

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    (hell. or, the grave.)

 

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And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

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hell. or, the grave.

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[Shiwiii 427]

What did Jesus say about hell was my question. Your topic was about hell and would I like to learn more, so I am asking what did Jesus say about hell. If we are to follow Christ Jesus, then His word should be what we are looking to.

[Brother Rando 25]

Jesus didn't talk about the Church's doctrine of Hell.  Hell is a man made doctrine an eternal hellfire of punishment.  But 'death' was the punishment not someone burning in an eternal burning hell.  Many have mistakenly claimed the lake of fire is hell but the lake of fire is Gehenna which symbolizes everlasting destruction or the second death as in everlasting death the opposite of everlasting life.  Let's take the example of Sodom and Gomorrah. 

"In the same manner, Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah and the cities around them also gave themselves over to gross sexual immorality and pursued unnatural fleshly desires; they are placed before us as a warning example by undergoing the judicial punishment of everlasting fire." (Jude 7)

Notice the judicial punishment of everlasting fire? So is this literal or figurative speech?  If you were to go to Sodom and Gomorrah today, is it still burning?  No, the cities were destroyed never to be rebuilt, same as to the person who is cast into the lake of fire, they are destroyed never to be resurrected. They died an everlasting death.  Notice the  (Rev 20:14) translations:

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (KJV)

Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. (NIV)

And Death and Sheol were cast into The Lake of Fire- this which is the second death. (Arabic Bible)

Then death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death. (NLT)

Looking up various translations will help give you the proper meaning of hell, which is hades, sheol, or the grave.  Since death and hell are cast into the lake of fire, that's means death and hell will be destroyed themselves, or be brought to NOTHING.

Are you getting the sense of these things?  Jesus asked his religious opposers of his day: (Matthew 23:33)

O serpents, O vipers' brood, how are you to escape condemnation to Gehenna? 

You serpents, you offspring of vipers, how will you escape the judgment of Gehenna?

'Serpents! brood of vipers! how may ye escape from the judgment of the gehenna?

He was telling them that they were in the danger of everlasting death.  Notice this teaching of Jesus. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16 KJV)   

Strong's Concordance

apollumi: to destroy, destroy utterly

Original Word: ἀπόλλυμιPart of Speech: VerbTransliteration: apollumiPhonetic Spelling: (ap-ol'-loo-mee)Short Definition: I destroy, lose, am perishingDefinition: (a) I kill, destroy, (b) I lose, mid: I am perishing (the resultant death being viewed as certain).

To perish is to be destroyed, it has a finality to it.  Those who symbolically go to the lake of fire are destroyed with no hope of a resurrection.   Those in the grave/hell are conscious of nothing at all. (Ecc 9:5) They are not destroyed, but will have a Ressurection, whether they are righteous or unrighteous. (Acts 24:15)  Only those counted 'wicked' go to the lake of fire, the ones who perish and destroyed by an everlasting death.  Non-existence. They have no reward of a resurrection which means they will be dead forever.

If you get the sense of these things, I'll be more than happy to share with you the teachings of Jesus. Was there a certain scripture that you are implying that Jesus was talking about hell?   I'll be more than happy to help with it.  Go ahead and do your own research as well.  

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[James Thomas Rook Jr. 3,713]

Hell was borrowed from the pagans to scare the wallets out of Christians ...

[Shiwiii 427]

17 hours ago, Brother Rando said:

Jesus didn't talk about the Church's doctrine of Hell.

That wasn't the question, the question was what did Jesus say about hell. This is where this conversation should start.

[Brother Rando 25]

Jesus Christ didn't speak nor teach about Hell. 

[JW Insider 5,765]

5 minutes ago, Brother Rando said:

Jesus Christ didn't speak nor teach about Hell. 

B.Rando,

Don't get me wrong. I apparently believe exactly as you do about the condition of the dead in Sheol, Hades and even in Gehenna. But if, as you say, hell is the same as hades, then you can't say that Jesus didn't speak about Hell.

18 hours ago, Brother Rando said:

Looking up various translations will help give you the proper meaning of hell, which is hades, sheol, or the grave.

I wonder how you explain why Jesus used an illustration that matched the false view of hell that many people held during the time he preached. This question is not just for you, in case others want to answer it, of course.

Again, the question is about Luke 16:19-21. Why did Jesus use a false doctrine as the basis for the descriptions in his illustration?

[James Thomas Rook Jr. 3,713]

If you manipulate word, or numbers, to suit your own agenda, you can get ANYTHING!

You can have a just God, or a petulant, insane sadistic monster god .... but NOT BOTH at the same time.

[Brother Rando 25]

Thank you for your question.  Jesus did not speak about hell. In an illustration, Jesus spoke of a beggar named Lazarus who was carried at his death to “the bosom position of Abraham,” and John refers to Jesus as being in “the bosom position with the Father.” (Lu 16:22, 23; Joh 1:18) The expression “bosom position” alludes to one’s reclining in front of another person on the same couch at a meal.

Hades, where this rich man is said to have gone, is the common grave of dead mankind. That it cannot be concluded from this parable that Hades itself is a place of blazing fire is made clear at Revelation 20:14, where death and Hades are described as being hurled into “the lake of fire.” The death of the rich man and his being in Hades must therefore be figurative, figurative death being mentioned elsewhere in the Scriptures. (Lu 9:60; Col 2:13; 1Ti 5:6) So the fiery torment was experienced while he was figuratively dead but actually alive as a human. Fire is used in God’s Word to describe his fiery judgment messages (Jer 5:14; 23:29), and the work done by God’s prophets in declaring his judgments is said to ‘torment’ those who oppose God and his servants.—Re 11:7, 10.

Hell is a man-made doctrine that appeared after the 3rd Century.  This doctrine came about from Christendom,  Christendom is 'apostate christianity' that began to take root at the end of the 1st century.  This cult has overtaken the world and its members are now in the masses of over 2.5 Billion.  "We know that we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one." (1 John 5:18)  

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Thank you and take care.  Should you have any new questions, I'll be more than happy to help.....

[James Thomas Rook Jr. 3,713]

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I can't prove it, but I do NOT think the Jews during Jesus' time believed in any hell such as the Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Babylonians, etc. believed in. 

To the best of my knowledge, in Jewish literature there was NEVER a Jewish "horror" story about any poltergeists, ghosts, vampires or anything else that somehow survived death without direct and specific intervention by Jehovah God.  They all knew the dead were just dead ... no more.

Even the account of Enoch does NOT say he died ... it says he was "transferred". ( I have been transferred a few times, and sometimes with a U-Haul, a rented truck, or a company paid for moving van, and it did not kill me ...).  Perhaps there were Kangaroos there where  he was relocated (?)

Perhaps your surgical scholarship could verify this .. I am by nature a chain saw kinda guy, but Jewish culture would perhaps give a partial combination at least to opening the "lock"

I first thought Bro. Rando was a troll, but I agree with his analysis ... so far .... even though it applies to CHRISTENDOM'S adoption of the concept of a hell of torment, which had been around pervasively LONG before Christendom.

To make a groaner pun .. The Devil is in the Details.