No! Please!! Not another thread about 1914!!!

[bruceq]

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Was it not the role of the ancient Jewish librarian to track days, months, years, and to punish noncompliance with detention? @The Librarian

Yes and also the Librarian is suppose to keep "certain" ones QUIET. Not you of course as neither of us talk much here and when we do it is 30 sec or less as it should be. 

ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from Christendoms point of view. 

I certainly hope so.

[TrueTomHarley]

Say, isn't that the woman bringing the violin to Sergey, who can play it with relish now that he has given attention to the more important things and who's glad he did not allow slavish conservatory devotion to it to distract him from the real life?

[Anna]

Sorry to the others because this is totally off the subject. Just skip over it if you have to. 

 

13 hours ago, Arauna said:

Thanks Anna for reaching out to me.  I believe in freedom of thought and freedom of speech. My character is also known for being a free spirit...but not too free!  I am extremely friendly, always smiling and always caring and helpful - at least that is what I strive to be.  There is always something that is crazy happening around me... I like to stimulate people and get feedback (in field service - we usually have a blast!) 

Thank you for your reply Arauna. I am assuming that you would go in field service with me then? Although you did not give me a direct answer, I will not insist on one. I think you understand that the point I was trying to make was that as long as one does not become obnoxious and pushes others to accept their ideas, then it is ok to have a different opinion on some of our teachings, especially if those teachings are not clear cut (or we don't perceive them that way personally). But you definitely sound like someone I would like to have as a friend (we have a lot in common)

13 hours ago, Arauna said:

So I understand the idea of breaking out and being free and looking at new ideas or new ways of doing things.   I am always ready to read about new things going on in the world and undercurrents most people are not aware of -

Me too! Unfortunately I barely have the time, which means I am not as well informed about a subject as I would like to be, especially subjects as deep and time consuming such as this one. This is why my best bet is to keep an open mind and not condemn one opinion over another until perhaps I have all the facts possible, and even then, we are still human and make mistakes, even the experts. I like to try and understand where the other person is coming from. I do this on here, I do it in FS. So what I do not like (IÂ’m not saying you do this) is when people are dogmatic and do not give another opinion a fair trial. And when they start judging the person for their motives. I think no one has the right to judge another oneÂ’s motives, since we really have no way of knowing. We cannot read hearts. And especially we cannot judge people from merely what they say, we need to see actions as well in order to form a halfway correct impression of someone, and that is impossible on a forum of course...

13 hours ago, Arauna said:

I will even give it a thought........ BUT I do not dwell on bad things ...and try to stay away from things that I perceive to be disruptive, counter productive, unkind or misleading.

I agree, that is a good way to do it, just stay away. We all have different levels of what we can take, and we should not allow others to dictate what is ok and what isn’t, or how far we should or shouldn’t go, and neither should we dictate to anyone else what they should or shouldn’t  read or do either. We all have the same information from the Bible and our meetings. Of course I am not saying we shouldn’t show concern for a friend if we see they may be going down a spiritually dangerous road, or that we shouldn’t accept advice, but we can hardly do that on a forum because we don’t know the person.

13 hours ago, Arauna said:

many people self-indulge in a passion with no self-control and then cannot understand why it is not presentable to others. Self-indulgence in anything is usually not good. One can go on and on.....with it - it will bring personal satisfaction - but in the end it is not perfect because it does not "share" well with others.

Hahah, this is so true! I always say those ones just like the sound of their own voice!

A brother once told me that humility is essential if one wants to stay in the truth. The older I get the more I see how true that is.

13 hours ago, Arauna said:

Jehovah created us to live together as social animals.... there are boundaries one does not cross if you want to live and work together in peace and harmony..... because one infringes on the happiness and freedoms of others.  

Yes.

13 hours ago, Arauna said:

I believe in personal freedom curbed by personal self-control and social responsibility.

Yes, that is a good way of putting it. Brings to mind James 1:14, 15

 

13 hours ago, Arauna said:

In future, to curb the extreme ideologies floating around (which is threatening the "security" of the people and the state) - they will come down hard freedom of thought. Especially on JWs because we have learnt to think differently to the rest of mankind. 

Hmmm.......it certainly seems to be going that way. And we will stick out like a sore thumb!

13 hours ago, Arauna said:

I studied Islam - the dark sinister part of it - but realized that I must not delve too deep into satanic things.... 

Is it really that bad? My sister in-law was married to an Arab and lived in Saudi Arabia for several years. She was disfellowshipped at the time so she didn't do anything with the Truth anyway, but now she is back and she was telling me some horrendous things. I also had a return visit from Eritrea who was a Muslim, and she was a lovely lady (they went back now), she told me that Islam is good, it's some of the people who twist it.....Unfortunately I have not read the Quran so I cannot form an opinion (that's another one of those things on the back burner, and I doubt I will ever get around to it, I have trouble with keeping up with the Bible reading). I also worked with a Syrian girl, and she was also very nice, we had quite a few discussions about the Bible etc. and she valued our strong faith as JWs, she said most people do not have strong faith. It was difficult to persuade her to accept the Bible though because she believed the Quran replaced it, and in her words, why should she accept something if it has been replaced with something more up to date and better. You would probably have known what to say to her. If I had read the Quran perhaps I would have been better equipped. In any case I have read quite a few things about Muhammad but it's difficult to sort out what is true....

And now I have a return visit on a Muslim Doctor...I need help

 

[TrueTomHarley]

3 hours ago, Arauna said:

I am fortunately a sister so I do not have to deal with male egos but I am savvy enough to know that a definite sign of the spirit of the world or Satan is a love to control others

What is this nonsense about male egos?

"One man in a million may shout a bit. Now and then there's one with slight defects. 

One perhaps whose truthfulness you doubt a bit. But, by and large, we are a marvelous sex."

It is discouraging to me that you would so quickly write off an entire gender with – HEY!! BIG BOY, @James Thomas Rook Jr.!!. THAT’S ANOTHER SLAM AT THE GB YOU JUST MADE!!     

Oh YEAH?!

Oh YEAH?!

Oh YEAH?!

Field service, punk! Let's settle this in field service!! Working together - YOU and ME!! High Noon! Or are you too CHICKEN?!!

[JW Insider]

17 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

"One man in a million may shout a bit. Now and then there's one with slight defects. 

One perhaps whose truthfulness you doubt a bit. But, by and large, we are a marvelous sex."

That's pretty amazing. Just yesterday I tested myself to see if I still could sing that song, and just last week I played it through Amazon Alexa to my 17-month-old granddaughter. To my wife's chagrin, I still know every word to that song, and likely the entire Harrison/Hepburn repertoire for that neo-Pygmalion masterpiece. (When I grew up there were only a few movies we were allowed to watch and only about 4 records with lyrics that my father played for us. Therefore they got overplayed.)

[TrueTomHarley]

7 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

To my wife's chagrin

Camping, my friend Bucky and I used to sing the entire song. And a few others from the musical. His wife Cora would get so mad.

"They're always throwing goodness at you; But with a little bit of luck a man can duck." (there was a line or two it was well to skip)

[JW Insider]

13 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Camping, my friend Bucky and I used to sing the entire song. And a few others from the musical. His wife Cora would get so mad.

We listened to the record so much that it was all like one big song. If I start singing from the beginning I don't stop until Ascot Gavotte (which I never learned well enough). So that's the only thing that kept me from singing both sides straight through.

When I was about 8 we had a family move in from London with a strong British accent. I remember asking her* if she had any recordings from assemblies, or comedians, or anyone else who spoke with a Cockney accent. (*her: Only the mother and children attended meetings and the husband was many miles stand-offish.)  She gave me some reel-to-reel tapes her husband didn't want any more.

This was a Missouri congregation (1965), and although the sister's English was impeccable, a surprising number in the congregation thought she was literally speaking a foreign language.

[JW Insider]

12 minutes ago, Nana Fofana said:

O that towering feeling.

Oh, the towering feeling!

(Even if Vic Damone sang On The Street Where You Live and had a separate album called "That Towering Feeling." )

[TrueTomHarley]

10 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

We listened to the record so much that it was all like one big song. If I start singing from the beginning I don't stop until Ascot Gavotte (which I never learned well enough). So that's the only thing that kept me from singing both sides straight through

After I dust off JTR in the ministry, let's you and I get together and sing a few rounds.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Field service, punk! Let's settle this in field service!! Working together - YOU and ME!! High Noon! Or are you too CHICKEN?!!

OK, but since your challenged me .. I get to pick location and time ... How about downtown Charlotte, NC the weekend nights of September 9-10 at the NE corner of Trade and Tryon Streets, at 12 midnight, for some hotel witnessing?  

The night clerks usually have time for conversations between robberies, and assaults.   We could even watch some Confederate Monuments be torn down, or during breaks, roll some drunks!   SEE YA THERE!

If you have a First-Aid kit, you might want to bring it.

I will pencil you in.

[JW Insider]

1 hour ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

How about downtown Charlotte, NC the weekend nights of September 9-10 at the NE corner of Trade and Tryon Streets

That's actually called UPTOWN Charlotte.

 

[Edited to add the following response in response to a contorted-face emojicon that JTR added as a reaction to this post.]

Uptown [7] is the central business district of Charlotte. It is home to most of the city's major institutions, as well as being the historic core. It is also the geographic center of Charlotte, with the center point of the city at the intersection of Trade and Tryon Streets.   -- quoted from http://wikitravel.org/en/Charlotte/Uptown

 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

On 8/20/2017 at 11:35 PM, JW Insider said:

That's why you haven't really poked holes until you can hypothesize what it would mean as an alternative.

I disagree ..... I know that the filter I used on the front of my camera to photograph the Solar Eclipse today keeps out harmful visible and infrared light so it does not burn up the camera sensor.

When someone says the filter is actually used to prohibit the incandescent  screaming pain filled and raging demons from Hell from entering my camera, ( I suppose these hypothetical people would think the Sun is "Hell"?), I can assuredly tell you THAT IS NOT WHY I FILTER THE LIGHT, without getting into how EXACTLY the filter material is made to  do the "voodoo, that it do, so well".