JWs Among the Least Educated in the US

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On 9/14/2017 at 5:48 PM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

There are some ...perhaps MANY of us, that without a

college education, would be COMPLETELY unemployable.

And some I have encountered with an extraordinary college education who were equally.....unemployable!

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On 9/14/2017 at 14:00, TrueTomHarley said:

Jehovah's Witnesses do not ignore education but they do redefine it. 

This is interesting thought!

And also is interesting, significant, when in the magazine Awake interviewed highly educated individuals who have become JW. In our language edition of magazine, Croatian, during the interview, they are addressed with personal pronouns, You (plural). How come that brother interview other brother or sister with plural You. :))) for what reason?

-but this  introduction is just for little fun time :))))))

JW redefine education? No, they was redefine the purpose of life today, by telling people what to do and what not. They redefined the "normal" human needs in a way to speak to them, wait, you will be art painter, musician, scientist .... in the near future after Armagedon. Today you need to work some simple job just to have "bread and water", rest money give to Corporation for preaching work. You will be happy that way because bible teaching so.

I am "average" person. Average job. Working since my age of 17, worked various jobs; bookbinder, metal worker, all kind of house jobs that people need, gardener, and last 12 years am janitor in one high school. Last 2 years went to extra education, and last month successfully finished it. Now have diploma for "business secretary" and this last two years working half time as janitor and other half as school administrator. And i like it. Little in school administration with papers and peoples, other part some fixing works, going to town on delivery jobs. Communicate with all sort and age of people. Twice time i was helped and participate in school stage art, performance and went with drama group to few Croatian towns, to Italy, San Remo, take first place twice :)))).  

So called "worldly" education is for all people, not only for "worldly" :))))))))))))) 

[TrueTomHarley]

5 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

On 9/14/2017 at 8:00 AM, TrueTomHarley said:

Jehovah's Witnesses do not ignore education but they do redefine it. 

This is interesting thought!

It is also a true thought. 

If the greater world's education was worth the paper that its diplomas are printed on, it would have resulted in a better world than it collectively has. Its education gives exclusive attention to training the mind, and none (or little) to training the heart, with the apparent assumption that moral qualities will take care of themselves. As is painfully obvious by looking at the result, they don't.

Better to focus on training the heart, as divine education does, and then pick up secular education a la carte as needed.

5 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I am "average" person. Average job. Working since my age of 17, worked various jobs; bookbinder, metal worker, all kind of house jobs that people need, gardener, and last 12 years am janitor in one high school. Last 2 years went to extra education, and last month successfully finished it. Now have diploma for "business secretary" and this last two years working half time as janitor and other half as school administrator. And i like it. Little in school administration with papers and peoples, other part some fixing works, going to town on delivery jobs. Communicate with all sort and age of people.

This is more in the category of picking up job skills. No one not opposed to that, particularly since you did so after reaching an age of maturity.

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49 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

If the greater world's education was worth the paper that its diplomas are printed on, it would have resulted in a better world than it collectively has

It has TTH, and you KNOW that is true, you just refuse to acknowledge it.

The clothes you wear, the food you eat, the medicines you hopefully take, the quality of cars, houses, buildings, streets, bridges, agriculture, animal husbandry, communications, international travel ... and the list is truly endless.

Neither system is perfect, but BOTH systems are incredibly important.

The World is better in EVERY WAY IMAGINABLE compared to what it was when apprenticeship feudal systems predated Universities, which created  structured learning for the masses of people.

You are living in a fantasy world of someone elses' creation, TTH ... and millions of actual FACTS from the REAL world prove that.

 

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11 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Its education gives exclusive attention to training the mind, and none (or little) to training the heart,

In the Croatian model of education, elementary school and secondary school have the name, content - upbringing and educational program. And teachers and professors, as they can, as they wish, as they are able doing that, with more or less successful. But, does not the Bible and JW literature say that education and giving upbringing ( the treatment and instruction received by a child from its parents throughout its childhood. ) is the primary task of parents  and not of school teachers?? So, please do  not blame school system for world's problems and  bad behaviour of young people. Parents and old, mature people are "guilty" of that, because they giving bad example to young!!

 

11 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

This is more in the category of picking up job skills.

hahahahaha. If you can't blame deeds you blame owner of deeds :)))) 

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5 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

So, please do  not blame school system for world's problems

Through most of my life I have heard the mantra: "the path to a better world is through education." It has become a bedrock staple of the West and unless grades are in the toilet, high school students in the West are shunted directly into college. So it is not unfair to ask to see this better world.

 

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5 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

the mantra:

hehe, all around us we can hear various "the mantra", in JW org also :)))))))))

"education" is not only get informations, knowledge, acquaintance with facts, truths, or principles, as from study or investigation; general erudition, the fact or state of knowing; the perception of fact or truth; clear  and certain mental apprehension.

when someone is educated that also including and human, moral values. 

Better world will not come without "educated" people.You can be very honest and truthful, but if you are not knowing, for example, cultivating your garden (to care about ecosystem, soil, water, animals and much more.... you (people in general) will finally destroy quality of life. You can believe in  JWorg as you wish and read magazines as you wish, but that not give assurance that you will not get to the point as we have now in that matter. WT Company, JW org using all modern product and "destroying Earth also as other non JW  believers by using trucks, cars, air-conditions, printing machines, computers etc. All  that would not be possible without pollution industry which support such products we all using. So, please do not put WT religion (and spiritual education) on piedestal of religion supremacy. It is out of place.  

 

[TrueTomHarley]

Nobody has a problem with education. it is the assumption that it can only be had in the way the greater world ladles it out that Christians have a problem with. 

Many of the Witnesses accomplishments are at the top of the field. For example, the website translated into 900+ languages, which universally wins high praise, (save for that from religious enemies). One sources gushed on about how Wikipedia, Google, and Apple combined do not come close, and what a staggering accomplishment the site was.

Imagine if they knew that only rarely did persons involved have any 4-year college at all.

You acquire your education via the moral training of God's counsel to us. When, later on, you find you need some specialized secular training, you go out and get it - a la carte. You need not subject yourself to the world's model where they get to unscrew your head, pour in their accumulated wisdom, and screw it back on again. Their wisdom has not resulted in a fine world. Where it has resulted in fine things, it is usually technical know-how that you can pick up though other means without all the baggage. The world makes it challenging to get education this way, but with planning it can be done.

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[TrueTomHarley]

5 hours ago, Gone Fishing said:

What do these have in common:

HA! Bypassed college, I'll bet.

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5 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

HA! Bypassed college, I'll bet.

Or dropped out for many of them. Of course, that doesn't count as much because several still got into some colleges that were hard to get into, which implies either family money or privileged educational opportunities during "high school" which are often the equivalent of American college credits. And Malcolm X says he read Rutherford's books and listened to him on the radio, so obviously he didn't need to go to college.

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43 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

HA! Bypassed college, I'll bet.

lIke me.......... Hee Hee!