Anti-Masturbation Training Video For Jehovah's Witnesses!

[TrueTomHarley]

15 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

I think you missed my point.

There is only one point JB has, SM. Please get your head around it.  ?

[Space Merchant]

28 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

I think you missed my point. Yes masturbation is not something God is pleased with, but neither is the Governing Body of the JW Organisation. For the GB to make such a video when they are deliberately allowing Child Abuse / Pedophilia within the same Organisation is total hypocrisy. I see it as they are trying to use anything else to turn people's attention away from their dishonest dealings regarding Child Abuse. 

I haven't missed the point - granted what I quoted from you and what I had said in response.

You are again mixing topics together - again, and as I told you, the focus here is masturbation and pornography an you have already been spoken to over a dozen of times regarding child abuse, the topic is still there and what was said and discus is still there, even with various information directed towards you, I believe someone brought this up and the topic itself had most likely been brought up, but this is not the focus here.

That being said, my response to you is of what you have stated, 2 things. You've made mention of God's approval, I asked you how do you know of whom God approves and who he does not approve, when you yourself who read the Bible should know how such things play out, mainly in regards to the Covenant that took place after Jesus' death, and later on, resurrection.

The other thing I told you is that what you call a "smoke screen "is false because the same action of teaching and advising is used to profess to others when combating pornography addiction. I even gave you 2 links, and in mention of another group who also does the same thing with the common goal being - fighting against masturbation and pornography - I advised you to take a look, read the experiences, and stories, this is coming from a guy who does deal with children and young ones, as I have told you multiple times before.

I wouldn't call it hypocrisy either granted 2 separate things are spoken of. The video in question was directed to an audience of their community with the topic being masturbation and pornography , a problem that plagues all men and women regardless of age and race. And as I have told you before, they do not allow it, they, like ALL INSTITUTIONS cannot prevent such 100% because it is global, it is all over the place, it is in the schools, the churches, the clubs, the hospitals, etc. The Jehovah's Witnesses are no different, for thr sins of man seeps into them as well, hence this is what I will say because several times in this regard, I told you time and time again and you are bringing up something that should be spoken of elsewhere, I rather this thread not become like the Glasgow and Trust Funds thread some weeks ago - therefore, keeping it focused.

 

That being said, I did address a question to you of this is of what is being talked about here as well, and I quote:

51 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

what are you contributing to helping prevent masturbation and pornography addiction, how would you deal with a young one who nearly did something very, very grave because of the addiction?

 

[Space Merchant]

24 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

There is only one point JB has, SM. Please get your head around it.  ?

Yes, but regarding him I do not see how is trying to approach masturbation and pornography in such as to give a helping hand a smoke screen when others are in the same boat trying to help those who have this problem, mainly if said problem grows out of control to the point they will do things they would never think of doing to begin with. For any person and or group who is combating this addiction, such is no smoke screen, for this is the same game those who are for masturbation and pornography and think it is a normal way of life, will often say, and I have run into such ones before who give the wrong ideas to people who are clearly not a fan of the problem.

[TrueTomHarley]

44 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

Yes, but regarding him I do not see how is trying to approach masturbation and pornography in such as to give a helping hand a smoke screen when others are in the same boat trying to help those who have this problem, mainly if said problem grows out of control to the point they will do things they would never think of doing to begin with. For any person and or group who is combating this addiction, such is no smoke screen, for this is the same game those who are for masturbation and pornography and think it is a normal way of life, will often say, and I have run into such ones before who give the wrong ideas to people who are clearly not a fan of the problem.

It could be just me, but it seems that he has but a passing interest in the topic of discussion, if any at all, and but uses whatever the subject to further his peeve with the GB. If you discuss any other aspect of the topic, you lose him.

[JOHN BUTLER]

32 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

Yes, but regarding him I do not see how is trying to approach masturbation and pornography in such as to give a helping hand a smoke screen when others are in the same boat trying to help those who have this problem, mainly if said problem grows out of control to the point they will do things they would never think of doing to begin with. For any person and or group who is combating this addiction, such is no smoke screen, for this is the same game those who are for masturbation and pornography and think it is a normal way of life, will often say, and I have run into such ones before who give the wrong ideas to people who are clearly not a fan of the problem.

SM you seem to be the only one on here worrying about it all. I have just re-read the first three pages and it seems to have started off as a joke... Pillow gate. These people that you say are trying to 'help' others. Do they get paid for doing so ? Are they what i call 'shrinks' ? Messing with people's heads. Telling people what is right and wrong even though God Himself gives no direction on such matters. God will judge each of us through Jesus Christ, when the time comes. Let us not be like the Pharisees who put extra burdens on the people. 

[JOHN BUTLER]

4 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

It could be just me, but it seems that he has but a passing interest in the topic of discussion, if any at all, and but uses whatever the subject to further his peeve with the GB

Oh come on, this seems to have started as a joke, pillow gate. SM has made it serious as he seems to have some interest in the problem. Either you or someone said, that either the GB or others, are trying to give instruction where God Himself has given none. Is it therefore right for the GB, the elders or anyone to judge those that have this 'problem', if God himself and Jesus Christ have not mentioned it.  I can see it as a way for  'shrinks' to earn money by making people feel guilty and then pretending to 'help' them... But if God shows no interest in it then should we even be bothering to worry about it ? Of course the GB could be using it to make the young ones feel guilty. Like the Pharisees loading burdens on the people. 

[TrueTomHarley]

2 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Like the Pharisees loading burdens on the people. 

I admit I have never seen it as the GB placing a heavy burden on people by informing young men that masturbation is not the bees’ knees.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

Here is a thought I just had ... different races are affected differently by different practices .... could it be that this is a very severe problem for some races, leading them to criminal activity and degradation, yet other races it does not affect in an adverse way at all?

I mean .... white people are very susceptible to cystic fibrosis, and malaria, but black people have more of a natural immunity to malaria, and as far as I know, cystic fibrosis is completely unknown (?) in black people. American Indians are said to be completely made crazy by "firewater", or whiskey as known today, but other races , not so much. Jewish people have Tay-Sachs disease, but white people and blacks, and Indians do not (presumably ... I may have gotten some facts mixed up ...)

All people and races are NOT the same .... this is a liberal fantasy.

I did math for 45 years for a living, but I probably could not compete with the average Asian teenager. There is a REASON why the best basketball players are black,  and the best Physicists are Jewish and India Indian ( ...long story there ...).

All people are all equal in the eyes of Jehovah and the Christ.... but NOBODY is equal to anybody else ... and there is a reason why there are NO Japanese Sumo Ballerinas, or 6'-7" Fighter Pilots.

There is a famous joke, with several variations floating around,  that sums this up .... about "Heaven", and "Hell", and the reason it is funny is that there is a basis in truth to it.

Heaven:

• The police are British
• The cooks are French
• The engineers are German
• The administrators are Swiss
• The lovers are Italian

Hell:

• The police are German
• The cooks are British
• The engineers are Italian
• The administrators are French
• The lovers are Swiss  

Perhaps the reason Jehovah God NEVER mentioned this subject at all, with a view to prohibition.... EVER ... was that with the Jews, it was a simple matter of stress relief ... like a boiling tea kettle letting off  steam ..... or like after a large Mexican Dinner, a round of flatulence, later.

( Think about this ... the human body is 90% water, and when full of digesting food and fermentation or gas pressure builds up ... the gas pressure relief valve is at the BOTTOM of a tank of liquid.  WOW! )

I do not know , but I suspect that like a drunk American Indian, masturbation among some individuals and/or races can be devastating mentally and socially, while for others merely a form of very private relaxation.

Whatever the case is, or perhaps some version I did not think about .... there is ONE THING that ALL CHRISTIANS ARE ABSOLUTELY AND UNAMBIGUOUSLY ORDERED NOT TO DO, UNDER PENALTY OF DEATH!

"Do not go beyond the things Written"

 

 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

It's like those that fear if their children play a Beatles Vinyl Album backwards , they will hear the words "Worship Satan".

If that is what they and/or their kids hear ( .... and how do you even play a vinyl record backwards? ...) they have VASTLY more critical real world problems than ".... I wanna hold your hand ...." , which backwards is " .... dnah ruoy dloh annaw I ...."

wah de do DAH!

Hubba Bubba Bubba

Zip, Blip, CHING!

 

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11 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

anything in connection to Sexual Immortality and or ill fleshy desires is indeed something of which God isn't fan of.

Please watch your spell checker!

[JW Insider]

4 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Here is a thought I just had ... different races are affected differently by different practices .... could it be that this is a very severe problem for some races, leading them to criminal activity and degradation

Please watch your racism checker!

[Evacuated]

4 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

"Do not go beyond the things Written"

You seem to be saying that there should be no prohibition unless it is specifically mentioned in scripture. Would you say that tobacco smoking should be viewed similarly?