Inspired Choices? Jesus Picked Judas; Governing Body Picked Raymond Franz;

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Inspired Choices? Jesus Picked Judas; Governing Body Picked Raymond Franz;

I wouldnt say either choice was inspired.

But as a parrallel situation, yes this is an excellent comparison

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5 hours ago, Outta Here said:

Inspired Choices? Jesus Picked Judas; Governing Body Picked Raymond Franz;

I wouldnt say either choice was inspired.

But as a parrallel situation, yes this is an excellent comparison

How are they an excellent comparison on a parallel level?   One aided in bringing Christ to his death.  Ray became a disciple of Christ, not of men.     One was the son of destruction; what did Ray "destroy"?    The GB are not apostles.  There is no comparison.  

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8 minutes ago, Witness said:

How are they an excellent comparison on a parallel level? 

They just are so similar, and the circumstances also, absolutely perfect. Whoever thought of combining them in one sentence is a genius, maybe without realising it at all. The choice may not be inspired, but the topic.....Maybe it was!

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1 hour ago, Outta Here said:

They just are so similar, and the circumstances also, absolutely perfect. Whoever thought of combining them in one sentence is a genius, maybe without realising it at all. The choice may not be inspired, but the topic.....Maybe it was!

In other words, you are saying that Ray Franz is a son of destruction.  Who or what did he "destroy"?  The perfect circumstance is when an anointed in Christ is spiritually "killed"/disfellowshipped  by the organization's leaders, for giving testimony about the Christ and truth.  John 16:2; Rev  13:15  In this way, they begin walking in a similar path of persecution that he did at the hands of the Pharisees.  Luke 12:8-12; John 15:20

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6 hours ago, Witness said:

In other words, you are saying that Ray Franz is a son of destruction

Actually, that is what you are saying. The observation I made is posted above, conveniently quoted in full, by yourself.

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22 hours ago, Witness said:

Which things?  It's not the question of who's life I change, but who are changed by truth in scripture.  

That's exactly my point to what I said before. So what of it? What are you contributing to the preachin work when there is legitimate obstacles like this? I don't know how old you are, but times are different now verses the past.

The peeps at school are teaching this stuff now and the state I live in has passed a Law that even puts Christians to the test.

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I'll go back to your original comment:

22 hours ago, Outta Here said:

Inspired Choices? Jesus Picked Judas; Governing Body Picked Raymond Franz;

I wouldnt say either choice was inspired.

But as a parrallel situation, yes this is an excellent comparison

Will you explain to me why you believe the two, both Judas and Ray Franz,  are an "excellent comparison"?  How are they similar?  You really are beating around the bush. 

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Judas and Ray Franz

Judas betrayed Jesus. That was his sin. 

Raymond Franz found that WT betrayed Jesus. That was his sin.

Simple and clear.

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1 hour ago, Equivocation said:

That's exactly my point to what I said before. So what of it? What are you contributing to the preachin work when there is legitimate obstacles like this? I don't know how old you are, but times are different now verses the past.

The peeps at school are teaching this stuff now and the state I live in has passed a Law that even puts Christians to the test.

 It is true that we see the results of Satan’s demonic accomplishments throughout the world. I have three sons that were “raised” in the organization, so I am aware of the trials of which you also are enduring.   However, I am old enough to have experienced spiritual obstacles in a belief held for over 30 years, that put my faith in God to the test.  Does the sign that an organization of people are “preaching”, show they are righteous by doing so?  A preaching work should be based on truth from Christ.  What if you thought you were making a difference by “preaching” information from a Watchtower magazine, only to find out that the topic of choice had to be changed – by your leaders – because their teachings, their prophetic views, were found to be wrong?  In the beginning, you told people it was truth, but it later was revealed that it wasn’t. How did you make a spiritual difference in the life of an individual by presenting a falsehood at their door?

The “good news” has been preached since Christ walked the earth.  People now have full access to Bibles, and according to their heart condition, can be led to the living water of truth. John 7:38  Christ and the apostles preached to God’s “nation”.  Matt 4:23; 3:2; Acts 10:34,35; 15:14; 13:47

It is the same with the end time preaching work that Jesus taught us to look for, narrowing it down to spiritual “Israel”.  You do know they are the anointed ones in the organization, I would guess – I would hope. Rev 7:4  Because JWs reside with them, the message and its warning, includes all of them.  Rev 18:4-8

Where does God make His home?  John 14:23   What is His dwelling? 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16; Eph 3:17 Who comprise the symbolic “inhabited earth”?  Matt 13:23   God has a homeland in the hearts of the anointed ones. They are His field, His building, His “kings of the earth”, that must be cleansed of all lies and idolatry to be found worthy to serve Him, Christ and all mankind in the Kingdom. 1 Cor 3:9-11; Rev 1:4,6

“Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, ²⁰ having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, ²¹ in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, ²² in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”  Eph 2:20-22

Notice who receives the message:

“And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.”  Matt 24:14

God is specifically sending the message to His homeland, His people, “Israel”. 

“When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.”  Matt 10:23

Today we have a spiritual “Israel”. Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10  From them, the faithful will be found worthy to reign with Christ in the Kingdom of God. Rev 5:9,10  If you go back and read Matt 10:16-23, it describes the spiritual persecution that the faithful experience at the hands of their own “Jewish” leaders.  Are JWs brought before the “synogogues”?  No, but anointed and all who reject the very lies that you may have brought as truth to the door, are verbally “flogged”, and put to “death” – disfellowshipped.

When Jesus said, “go to the lost sheep of Israel”, the last symbolic “two witnesses” send their message to them – the anointed ones, the living stones of the Temple.  Rev 11:1-3; 1 Pet 4:5,9.  They are spiritually “killed” for rejecting the “mark”/identity of the organization.  Rev 11:7; 13:14-16

Why does this occur?  Because Satan demands to “sift” all the anointed since Christ, as “wheat”; just as he did by tempting Christ.  Luke 22:31; Luke 4:1-13  Will they follow only Christ, their Head, or men who say they are their head? Gen 3:15,16; Eph 5:25-27,32; Matt 24:48-51  He made the bait tailored to the minds of anointed who desire to “preach” truth; but as Satan so deftly can accomplish, this truth is laced with lies.   2 Thess 2:9-10; Rev 13:1,2,6-8; Rev 16:13-16

The “good news” is that “Israel” – “Jacob” – has been redeemed from their sins, if they leave/”flee” falsehoods and confusion, the meaning of “Babylon”.  Isa 48:20; Jer 50:28; Rev 18:4-8; 12:10; 15:2

 

 

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4 hours ago, Witness said:

Will you explain to me why you believe the two, both Judas and Ray Franz,  are an "excellent comparison"?

No I cannot do that. I will not add or take away from the original post. There is no need, as the subject has been presented clearly for comparison.

All you need to do is look at the two, side by side, as presented in the original topic, for yourself.

Make your own comparisons as I have done. I am not going to try and influence your opinion any further with my personal estimation of the matter other than to say that they are indeed, an excellent comparison.

Come to your own conclusions.

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@Witness Amigo, you are taking some huge leaps in the wrong direction. Not a whole lot of what you said addressed my main comment.

So what do us JWs have to do with people using and preaching that the Bible agrees with and or accepts homosexuality? Ever since the Christian Bakery incident we had people come out from the wood works. These same preachers preach that both Jehovah and Jesus were cool with the whole thing, even rinse and twist Jehovah's dealings with the people of Sodom and Gamorah.

On the other side, you have Transgender and support of it, who are in the same boat. And what is being taught by these people are now in the schools that are making parents uneasy. Us JWs know that Evolution isn't right and that it was Jehovah God that created everything, in the same sense as that example aside from Evolution you have people teaching that a boy can be a girl and a girl can be a boy. A grown man can be identified as a 7 year old girl, a dog, or a toaster.

You don't have to agree with my faith, dunno if you are or formerly a witness, but seriously, you should be aware of this stuff going on. I'm not even outside of school yet and this stuff is everywhere. To make matters worse, my state, this link speaks for itself

http://www.njfamily.com/Gender-Neutral-Birth-Certificates-Are-Coming-to-NJ/

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5 hours ago, Outta Here said:

I will not add or take away from the original post.

Not sure which post is the original; yours,  mine, or the first post on this topic.  

5 hours ago, Outta Here said:

Come to your own conclusions.

I certainly have.