Should true Christians use the word "Disaster"?

[Srecko Sostar]

by Merriam-Webster:

Definition of lackey

 (Entry 1 of 2)

1a: FOOTMAN sense 2, SERVANT

b: someone who does menial tasks or runs errands for another

2: a servile follower : TOADY

 

Definition of footman

1aarchaic : a traveler on foot : PEDESTRIAN

b: INFANTRYMAN

2a: a servant in livery formerly attending a rider or required to run in front of his master's carriage

b: a servant who serves at table, tends the door, and runs errands

 

Definition of toady

 (Entry 1 of 2)

: one who flatters in the hope of gaining favors : SYCOPHAN

 

Definition of sycophant

: a servile self-seeking flatterer

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

Words are important!

Words are the tools with which we think!

Words are how we communicate with ourselves, and others!

Should true Christians use the word "Disaster"?

It is also important that we pay attention to DETAILS!

[TrueTomHarley]

1 hour ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

It is also important that we pay attention to DETAILS!

Many of Trump’s ‘lies’ are due to this sort of thing...

”I’ve said it a million times....”

FACT CHECK: False. it was not a million times.

[Srecko Sostar]

8 hours ago, César Chávez said:

careful study of the Bible

Religious WT leaders aka bible scholars aka elders, inside this Organization aka Congregation, have had all the time from 19th century until today for "careful study". They saw some things different than other churches, some stay same as in other churches. 

"Careful study" wasn't so careful, as you suggest for yourself or for GB. Religious doctrines form past to today are proof for wrong understanding despite all efforts and hours of "careful study". 

8 hours ago, César Chávez said:

Obey your leaders and submit to them,

What about this?

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. - Rom 13

Where is said that elders are in higher status than governing authorities? Despite idea of .... in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God,^[a] which he obtained with his own blood.

Are you sure that every elder (or all of them in WT) is established and put in place by HS? Because you used this bible text too: ... And when they had appointed elders for them in every church ....

Who appointed elders? They! .... is the answer in text. Or you suggest how this kind of HS power (to appointing other people into elders in the name of HS) is portable, transferable from man to man? But than you will come to stand before wall, again. WTJWorg and GB claims how no single man, woman or child in this Congregation is not inspired by HS. If you are not inspired why would you think how you can be guided by HS to appoint next elder?

You made good conclusion how:

8 hours ago, César Chávez said:

The weight of truth, out weighs any deception expressed by lost souls, regardless if that labor is within or outside the organization.

But, is it possible to see deception because we have "careful study"???

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

21 hours ago, César Chávez said:

I have no idea how you learned scripture. However, a careful study of the Bible, you will find out how "wrong" and presumptuous this statement is. Start by not placing labels, but how God views the congregation of Christ as a whole.

First, remove your anger "John Butler" and regal on the power of scripture. 

Hebrews 13:17 English Standard Version (ESV)

¹⁷ Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.

Acts 20:28 English Standard Version (ESV)

²⁸ Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God,^[a] which he obtained with his own blood

1 Thessalonians 5:12 English Standard Version (ESV)

Final Instructions and Benediction

¹² We ask you, brothers, to respect those who labor among you and are over you in the Lord and admonish you

Hebrews 13:7 English Standard Version (ESV)

⁷ Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God. Consider the outcome of their way of life, and imitate their faith.

Acts 14:23 English Standard Version (ESV)

²³ And when they had appointed elders for them in every church, with prayer and fasting they committed them to the Lord in whom they had believed.

The weight of truth, out weighs any deception expressed by lost souls, regardless if that labor is within or outside the organization.

 

I think almost any 'Christian church' could use all of those scriptures.

They DO NOT PROVE that the CCJW and its GB are the true Christian organisation. 

But you can hide behind those scriptures if it makes you feel good.

I know you won't bother to think about the Child Sexual Abuse that your GB is hiding in the CCJW and how the Victims have to suffer for the sake of the rotten organisation. 

And you won't bother to think about how dishonest the GB's lawyers are.

Nor will you think of the misuse of scripture because you do the same.

And you won't remember that your GB admitted to NOT BEING INSPIRED OF HOLY SPIRIT. 

And how it has also been admitted that Elders are NOT APPOINTED BY HOLY SPIRIT. 

But you keep hiding behind your GB and their lies. Because you, just like other JWs, are actually frightened of TRUTH. 

 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

As for Romans, when did God speak to you personally to suggest his Holy Spirit isn't among those loyal ones in the Watchtower?

BY THEIR WORKS YOU WILL KNOW THEM. Simple enough for you Billy the kid ? 

[Srecko Sostar]

9 hours ago, César Chávez said:

What you are insinuating is, no one on earth, has the right to be a “spiritual leader” because you want to confuse it with actual authority of governments.

I guess how "spirituality" has nothing with organized religion, or in other words, individual not necessary need to be under The System of religious Doctrines and Hierarchy to gain spirituality and to please god.

Also, many individuals have some gifts to be "spiritual leaders", or "political leaders" or "leaders" in some sport team or on construction ground while making building or in some project for new toaster or phone. 

I don't denying your's or anyone else "right" to take role of "religious leaders". If GB or WT elders have need to be "leaders" or in role as instruments, tools for implementing decisions of decision makers. What i have is right to put in question your position, or position of your "religious leaders". And to give some observation about structure and policy in such "religious arrangement". 

With comparing "religious authorities" aka GB with "secular authorities" i put, for public conversation, question: who is on higher position? GB or Secular Authorities? Who of these two group, JW members need to obey more? 

I suggest not to respond with general neutral answer: "We must obey god more than men", because that would mean and would clearly point to next level: JW members are NOT Obligated to obey WTJWorg GB doctrines and instructions. Because of same reasons revealed in primary answer made by Peter. Many ex-JW and many of existing JW's are aware of wrong doctrines and policies and instructions made by their leaders. Question for such JW members is "Who do they obey more?".

If JW members are not obligated to submit and obey every (non) "inspired utterance" from GB mouth why JW's members have problem to openly talk about it in private or little groups or on congregational meetings? Why they have fear from men and not from god? That is fundamental question here. JW's are not in fear if they go to prison because of "bible principles". How come to that that they have fear of that they will be dfd because of "things" and "bible principles" which are undoubtedly in sphere of "individual spirituality" and conscience, about so many err and wrong doctrines they have to obey and preach to other people? 

If you are ready to promote any sort of disobedience to "secular authorities" because of religious arguments, than you have to be ready to promote same sort of disobedience to "religious authorities and leaders" in own Church, because of same reason. 

 

 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

Quote "The Pauline letters are meant to be understood by spiritual people."

 Well that leaves the GB and other W/t  and CCJW leaders out of that then.  

@Srecko Sostar You have a wonderful way with words. And your last paragraph sums it up perfectly. 

[Srecko Sostar]

@César Chávez thanks for comment. 

4 hours ago, César Chávez said:

Srecko examination of scripture is a convincing application on how not to view scripture.

This remind me on changes WTJWorg made before few years about "approach" to bible text.

In recent years, the spiritual instruction provided by Jehovah’s organization has reflected an increased emphasis on simplicity and clarity...... 

....In times past, it was more common for our literature to take what might be called a type-antitype approach to Scriptural accounts. ....In times past, it was more common for our literature to take what might be called a type-antitype approach to Scriptural accounts. ...Thus, we find that our literature today focuses more on the simple, practical lessons about faith, endurance, godly devotion, and other vital qualities that we learn about from Bible accounts....  -https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/w20150315/clear-simple-teaching-bible-truth/

Well, for decades WT Society made complicated and useless interpretations about Bible text. In this WT study article they said so. Now, supposedly, truth became more simple and more understandable. What sort of knowledge, writers of WT publications were presented before? Boring, inconsistent and complicated explanations that simple and ignorant members could not understand. They said so. Both group, writers and readers!!

 And of course, type-anti type model not working any more in this doctrinal delusions. So, they find it suitable to make "truth" more simple, more clear and more understandable :))) than it used to be in previous decades. They baked a new cake that many eating and ask for more, also as generations of the past done the same with old cake  :))  

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

@César Chávez Billy you are so funny. So we are not apostates now, we are opposers.

Whatever word or argument you use could just as easily be used by any other so called Christian religion. 

The point being that just as you or other JWs may easily see the wrong in Catholic teachings or other religions, us 'opposers' can easily see the wrong in your GB, your Writing department, Your Watchtower Society, your CCJW, and many of the man made rules and traditions you all use and live by..

One thing you fail to notice though, is that I do not try to lead people. I give my opinion on things. I disagree with other people's opinion on some things.  BUT, I do not put myself forward as a 'leader' of people. I am an individual. You seem to be following TTH's thinking, that I am part of some movement. I find that quite funny. I suppose that as you and all JWs are part of an organisation, you may think that everyone else has to be part of some kind of organisation. The possibility of a person being an individual seems to frighten JWs. 

[Arauna]

16 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

useless interpretations about Bible text. In

Definitely not useless, it served a valuable purpose. You forget that older generations still had proper school education. We learnt history, Latin and all kinds of subjects which made us more prone to read history.  We also learnt to read better than the later generations. 

I loved the books that went into history such as "Babylon the great has fallen" etc.  I did not study it.  It came out before I became a witness but I read it afterward. I also liked some of the older books such as the description of the parables.

I read the old Daniel book quite a few times and this morning read a portion of the old revelation book.....and found something new which I had not seen before.... so you assume to much and your statement is condescending to say the least.

[Arauna]

13 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

and many of the man made rules

As I said before- I suspect you have a problem with all authority.......even if they come from God himself