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I figured I would start a topic on "peace and security' since so much news constantly comes out regarding this theme lately: Paul in his letter to the Thessalonians. He draws attention

Donald Trump talking about NK being a threat to Peace & Security earlier  Amazing how often peace & security or safety is being mentioned by world leaders again lately. Sep

Quite amazing how the eighth King the image of the wild beast Ie. The UN is so focussed on Peace & Security & has been for some time. Just humbling to see prophecies written thousands of

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Interesting points all!  I think it could be a cry of anguish as well as the false proclamation at the end. Many things in the bible have a smaller and a larger fulfillment.  They are crying for it.  It is heartbreaking really to look at. I opened the link to the dead hindu villagers. 

This is a set of photos you may want to see here on the city of Raqqa. It is ONE of the cites in Syria (and there are many) that have been taken over by ISIS and bombed perpetually by the UN forces as well as the Democratic Syrian government forces. All I could think was, 'not a stone left upon another stone.'  

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/the_city_fit_for_no_one_raqqa_syria_islamic_state_group

The article is called, "The City Fit For No One"

The photos of the man who once prospered there. One photo in a suit and tie, taken as he was a prominent attorney. Now on the streets of Raqqa, looking like the art work of JOB.  His face caked in mud, clothed in rags, hair all over.  So very sad. 

Truly, " the nations in great anguish, not knowing the way out! "  

Blessings to all.  We are Jehovah's people.  

Kristy

 

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Per a suggestion by @The Librarian several posts on this topic were moved to another thread, linked at the end of this post -- affecting recent posts by @TrueTomHarley @Nana Fofana, @James Thomas Rook Jr., @AllenSmith, @Witness

https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/topic/46857-saying-peace-and-security-before-sudden-destruction-1th-53-what-does-it-mean/

 

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5 hours ago, Julie Bayley said:

War & famine - 2 major stumbling blocks to the world achieving peace & security.

 

Wow Julie!  This is excellent. The four horses are riding. All brothers and sisters! Listen the that Awake, Pack that GO bag!  I have a friend in a Florida congregation and they advise that have a bag that you can grab is five minutes!  I am also buying flood insurance. Only 20% of America has it as it is NOT offered unless you are on a flood plane.  I realize if it may not be cashable at the end, but look at Houston?  Not many houses have it in the USA. Email your insurance agent. It is really inexpensive to get if you are not on a flood plane.  I love this thread. Thank you my dear brothers and sisters.  

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6 hours ago, Julie Bayley said:

Thank you again for another great post!  Yes, that Blessed Day will come when we have prosperity for all,  respect and love for each other.  I have a student that is blind, so we review scriptures and I have to read them of course. Maybe we will cover peace and security this weekend and i can use some of these posts!   She is on the phone. Completely wheel chair bound from MG, that turns into full blown MS like symptoms.  She reads braille. In a terrible nursing home.  In sever pain from brain cancer. I have a sister who goes to see her too.  But we have gotten so very close.  I tis a beautiful story, Maybe I will submit it to the Librarian to post here.  She has gone through all of the major concepts of the bible by phone.  Then that day, or the next, what ever chapter we read in the bible, based on her questions or needs, I text to her phone. She can play it then over and over.  Yesterday, we went over Ephesions Chapter 4, the whole chapter due to our needs in the study.  I then talked text it, the whole chapter, as I have to correct things and add punctuation manually.  So I go over every word to send it in back to back texts. She plays them over and over.  I think I am going to see if sometime soon if she wants to cover the topic of Peace and Security.  I have let her ask and we GO.  I know we have things in braille, we have attempted to get them, but it has been very difficult. I do not need advice how to do so, it was just a series of mistakes over and over in the Florida congregation.  But supposedly now, it is coming.  However, she will not live to be baptized, but she has accepted all of the truth!  We talk daily now. I have made bible dramas from the site and mark them in braille for her. I have sent her music she loves, ours and others.  I supply the toiletries she needs, marked in braille as she cannot afford them.  My beautiful dear sister.  She wants me to make braille scriptures for her on index cards with the English words on them so she can tell others about her hope!  The sister in Florida is attempting again to get the braille sent, the tracts, the Good News brochure.  If they get here ever, she can give them a tract and have it in braille to witness.  So my dear brothers and sisters, PLEASE all PRAY for my dear Carmella in Florida. Her pain is burning from the brain cancer in her head. Has moved to ears, eyes chest and it is excruciating. I will not have her much longer.  I reach out to ask you to pray for her peace, relief from her pain, for her to feel loved, whatever Jehovah sees as good in his eyes for her. How did we meet?  She dialed a wrong number trying to reach Joyce Meyers ministry and got my voicemail. A welding company outgoing message!  She left the message anyways.  I normally delete all of my voice mail as it is all robots as I answer my phone all day!  I am deleting 27 messages and just said instantly to myself, /play that one.  It was Carmella trying to call Joyce Meyers.  I called her back and told her two weeks ago she left a msg for Joyce Meyers, it was a wrong number.  But I am in the ministry and can I help you?  And she just started to talk. We shared scripture on that call and prayed. She asked me could she continue to talk with me.  She also told me later, she had no idea, she said, I knew it was the wrong number but I left the message anyways and I have no idea why!  So my friends, the Holy Spirit indeed nudged her to leave the message and call me instead of Joyce Meyers. And then the Holy Spirt made my finger hit play instead of delete before listening like I was doing to the rest.  I make a point of listening to my voice mail now!  

Pray for my dear Carmella, please my friends.  She is in severe pain!   Love to all, Kristy 

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