An interesting take on politics, conspiracies, and prophecies

[JW Insider]

1 hour ago, Anna said:

This topic is not by Anna

I used my moderate powers as a moderator to change the title. 

[Anna]

7 minutes ago, admin said:

I moved it from my topic on the 1%

i can delete this entire topic if you like.? Let me know. 

 

I move things in order to not just delete them when they are off topic.  

I don't mind you keeping this topic, although I do believe I wasn't off topic since it discussed the 1percenters, and they are supposed to be the "Globalists" and those behind the "deep state" . There is only so much you can discuss about; "How much money you need to be part of the 1% worldwide" lol. Most of those 1 percenters can print money, legally, because they own banks, so they dictate the amount you need, to be the 1%. And who knows what that amount is? It's not even "Pretty Woman" caliber, but more like owning a country. But I understand it became off topic since it started involving JW ideology. So how about changing the title to something like: An interesting take on politics, conspiracies, and prophecies

[Anna]

5 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

I used my moderate powers as a moderator to change the title. 

Thanks for coming to my aid. I was racking my brain to try and come up with an appropriate title and then I noticed your comment came up, just in time, lol

[TrueTomHarley]

What’s all this about @Anna going deep state? Is she the one making those chemtrails I see outside?

[Anna]

23 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

What’s all this about @Anna going deep state? Is she the one making those chemtrails I see outside?

Don't use those big words on me

[Space Merchant]

@Anna It depends on what you want to know. I myself is also a Truther to some extent, as they call it. Reasons react and or make response regarding falsehood and or conspiracy of any kind.

That being said, it would depend on what you want to know. The Global Mafia, The New World Order, One World Religion, Deep State, The Shadow Government, the Dark Web, Information about the Middle East, Israel, Russia, etc.

Knowing these things is important and in some cases, it is key, mainly when dealing with folks who are ignorant of truth and or do not know any better.

[JW Insider]

The following is just my opinion, of course:

Religious fervor begins with a religious group believing that they know something important that others do not know. For some this has been "knowledge of the times and seasons" i.e., the dates or time range or signs that show how close we are to the end of this system. For some the differences between their religion and others will seem small, but to the religion that believes it has more important knowledge, these differences will seem huge.

The same thing is true of political views, some people see differences in left and right as no big deal, but others are convinced that they know something important about the correctness of their own view and the incorrectness of the other person's view. These ones will display political fervor in the same way that religions can show religious fervor.

In other words, politics is just like religion (and religion is just like politics).

Most of politics, just like most religion, is based on misinformation, or the beliefs of parents, or the general traditions and propaganda of our national group, or the beliefs of our most outspoken and convincing friends.

I've seen a curious uniformity in the way many JWs would position themselves if they had to identify which of their beliefs align more with the US "left" and the US "right." The US is aligned generally with the "International West" (UK, France, Germany, Australia) and sometimes includes Japan, Israel, Saudi Arabia and other nations when interests align.

This might make an interesting topic of study about JWs, assuming that the person behind the study could be trusted to know the true differences between "left" and "right." Also, they'd have to understand the limitations of political knowledge that all Witnesses receive only through specific target-driven sources. Many JWs would still think of "FoxNews" as right, MSNBC as left, and CNN/ABC/CBS/NYTimes as generally neutral. In fact all these sources have their own interests which are often hyper-partisan, but often go far beyond "left" and "right." It would surprise most Witnesses, and much of the world, to see just how many interests of the "left" and "right"overlap in the very areas where most see them as different.

[JW Insider]

On 12/4/2018 at 4:05 PM, Anna said:

Here is the official website for the Bilderberg Meetings: https://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/

Assuming that most of us will not go there, I'll quote some relevant portions:

----the rest of this post quotes from Bilderberg---

About Bilderberg Meetings

Since its inaugural meeting in 1954, Bilderberg has been an annual forum for informal discussions, designed to foster dialogue between Europe and North America. Every year, between 120-150 political leaders and experts from industry, finance, academia and the media are invited to take part in the meeting. About two thirds of the participants come from Europe and the rest from North America; one third from politics and government and the rest from other fields. The meeting is a forum for informal discussions about megatrends and major issues facing the world. The meetings are held under the Chatham House Rule, which states that participants are free to use the information received, but neither the identity nor the affiliation of the speaker(s) nor of any other participant may be revealed. Thanks to the private nature of the meeting, the participants are not bound by the conventions of their office or by pre-agreed positions. As such, they can take time to listen, reflect and gather insights. There is no detailed agenda, no resolutions are proposed, no votes are taken, and no policy statements are issued.

Bilderberg Meeting 2018

The 66^th Bilderberg Meeting to take place from 7 - 10 June 2018 in Turin, Italy

TURIN, 5 JUNE 2018 –The 66^th Bilderberg Meeting is set to take place from 7 - 10 June 2018 in Turin, Italy. As of today, 131 participants from 23 countries have confirmed their attendance. As ever, a diverse group of political leaders and experts from industry, finance, academia and the media has been invited. The list of participants is available on www.bilderbergmeetings.org.

The key topics for discussion this year include:

1. Populism in Europe
2. The inequality challenge
3. The future of work
4. Artificial intelligence
5. The US before midterms
6. Free trade
7. US world leadership
8. Russia
9. Quantum computing
10. Saudi Arabia and Iran
11. The “post-truth” world
12. Current events

Founded in 1954, the Bilderberg Meeting is an annual conference designed to foster dialogue between Europe and North America. Every year, between 120-140 political leaders and experts from industry, finance, academia and the media are invited to take part in the conference. About two thirds of the participants come from Europe and the rest from North America; approximately a quarter from politics and government and the rest from other fields.

The conference is a forum for informal discussions about major issues facing the world. The meetings are held under the Chatham House Rule, which states that participants are free to use the information received, but neither the identity nor the affiliation of the speaker(s) nor any other participant may be revealed.

[JOHN BUTLER]

Just out of interest, what is the whole point of this topic ?  We all know that Satan is in control of the 'world' and that we  'should' be in the last days -ish.  And I thought JW's were supposed to be 'no part of this world'.  To an uneducated person like me it does seem to be a side track / smoke screen, um, just like politicians use  

[admin]

@JW Insider

hence real world leaders prefer an anonymous forum to learn from each other.  

Whouldathunk?

the USA was also formed by anonymous writers such as in The Federalist Papers

 

[JW Insider]

On 12/5/2018 at 3:00 PM, Anna said:

Most of those 1 percenters can print money, legally, because they own banks, so they dictate the amount you need, to be the 1%.

This is a false statement. But the reasons that it is false could make someone think things are better -- or much, much worse.

Most of the 1% think they are fairly regular people in the upper middle class. Many JWs are in the top 1%. A Witness family that I know in our congregation is a single black mother (divorced) who has been raising 2 daughters and 4 dogs. The house is worth about $450,000 with the mortgage paid off. She didn't graduate college, but worked her way up into a vice presidency in a division of a ritzy international maker of jewelry/perfume/etc. She's been in this job more than 10 years. The job pays about $225,000 plus benefits and bonuses worth another $50,000. She has saved well for her two daughters, one of whom also makes about $100,000.

This household, for the entire USA, has made it into the top 1%. This sister is in the top 1%. When she retires, she will probably remain in the top 1% for several more years, or drop to 2-3% depending on how much she spends on her daughters' weddings, their cars, gifts, etc. She will still be in the top 1% of our city, and our county and our region.

What you were describing, might better be applied to the "top 1% of the 1%" (shades of Bernie Sanders).

[JW Insider]

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

And I thought JW's were supposed to be 'no part of this world'.  To an uneducated person like me it does seem to be a side track

It's definitely a side-track. But it's an interesting one to some people. Also, I see that this topic was in a religiously neutral part of the forum, and an admin has now  moved it into the "Jehovah's Witnesses Public Club."

To me, this will make it interesting because of how politically-influenced our own prophetic explanations have been over the years. Russell himself wrote to the President of the United States to tell him that Filipinos were lazy and that we (USA) should give a large portion of the Philippines to Japan. Rutherford was constantly involved in the political trends of his day. In fact, Rutherford, wrote to Hitler to tell him that he thought that what Hitler was "preaching" in the early 1930's was kind of like a political expression of what the kingdom of God stood for, and therefore, Rutherford expressed appreciation for what Hitler was saying. This only lasted a short time because Hitler didn't buy it. In fact, Rutherford for a short time also stated that the League of Nations was like a political expression of the Kingdom of God on earth. That only lasted a few months. But he was famous for taking sides between capitalists and labor, and just like Russell, predicted that the chaos of Armageddon would be triggered by a clash between the interests of Capitalism and Labor's interest in social justice. This developed into the idea of the West (Capitalists) being the key representatives in the King of the South, and the socialist/communist powers being the key representatives of the King of the North.

Watching this idea develop between the old Daniel book (Your Will be Done on Earth) and the Babylon book and the new Ezekiel book is EXTREMELY interesting to me.