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Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.


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18 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

No, but it raises a better one.

Please address Jesus’ words that seemingly make him a liar: 

Patiently is showing her true colors....  and hisses as she crawls on her belly,  Address the question... is Jesus lying by claiming almost 2,000 ago that

everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will Never Die At All. (

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The historical context is interesting because it confirms today’s perception of the past historical context. And that is: They expected Armageddon and the establishment of an earthly Paradise during their lifetime.  After the failure of hope, they started a dogma with heavenly life for the chosen earthlings (variations on this theme exist in JW literature) Today’s WTJWorg context has refuted all of this as outdated and misconceptions. JW Hope has new models of belief and beliefs, today.

I just glanced at what was said above. It seems it is a much created fluffy storm in a tea cup  - about nothing!  If I were living in 1919 or in 1935,  and finally understood the scriptures which indicated that a people will live through Armageddon: such as Revelation 20: 1 -3,  Revelation 7 (great crowd).... would you not write a book and articles with a advertising heading such as " Millions now living may never die!".  If you suddenly understood that some people will live through Ar

I wonder if they are going to get rid of the idea that the first group "readily discerned the sign of Christ's presence in 1914." I expect that the new phrasing will become simply "they were alive to see the sign of Christ's presence in 1914." *** w14 1/15 p. 31 pars. 15-16 “Let Your Kingdom Come”—But When? *** The first group was on hand in 1914, and they readily discerned the sign of Christ’s presence in that year. Those who made up this group were not merely alive in 1914, but they wer

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If I'm right what RUSSELL had built up was an Association of Bible Students possibly earthwide ? 

So, what Rutherford had taken over was this Association of Bible Students. But Rutherford broke away from that and formed an Organisation naming it Jehovah's Witnesses in 1931.

Now, this creates a question.  Who were the Millions now living that would never die 

This was 1918. Pre-JW.  International Bible Student era So exactly who did Rutherford expect to 'never die' ? 

(At this point it matter not that his prediction failed. More to the point of who he expected to live on).

And when Rutherford's breakaway 'group' were named Jehovah's Witnesses, did his idea change from 'Millions' now living will never die, to, Only JWs now living will never die ?

There must have come a time when the quantity of people expected to continue living decreased rapidly. Because Rutherford's JWs would have been far less than the original International Bible Students Association. 

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26 minutes ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

It really does prove that you are frightened of my questions.

If you think people are really frightened from your question, then this might go to motive. I can answer your question and I just might, but what of it if Rutherford was all wrong? What if he was partially right? What if you are sure you'll be able to make the case that he was a false prophet? I'm pretty sure that this is where this is going. I'm pretty well-known for presenting a lot of old mistakes made in our publications, but I do try to put them in context. Technically, he was wrong. He was making a false prediction. It's because he was so sure of the short amount of time before 1925, and he was so sure that the system couldn't go on as it was past 1925 without a divine intervention of some kind.

Your question is interesting to me to the extent that I think most of the brothers (and even several of the sisters) don't know what he was predicting, and I've found this to be a little bit funny, since we give so much attention to our past history in our publications. The 100 years ago today article in the WT recently highlighted the "Harp" book (1921), which gives the answer perfectly. I'd like to hear a few guesses by you or others before giving more details that were documented at the time. I know I understood this wrong for several years and I was surprised at the answer.

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2 minutes ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

If I'm right what RUSSELL had built up was an Association of Bible Students possibly earthwide ? 

So, what Rutherford had taken over was this Association of Bible Students. But Rutherford broke away from that and formed an Organisation naming it Jehovah's Witnesses in 1931.

Now, this creates a question.  Who were the Millions now living that would never die 

This was 1918. Pre-JW.  International Bible Student era So exactly who did Rutherford expect to 'never die' ? 

(At this point it matter not that his prediction failed. More to the point of who he expected to live on).

And when Rutherford's breakaway 'group' were named Jehovah's Witnesses, did his idea change from 'Millions' now living will never die, to, Only JWs now living will never die ?

There must have come a time when the quantity of people expected to continue living decreased rapidly. Because Rutherford's JWs would have been far less than the original International Bible Students Association. 

So now the OP reports replies she Won't Answer... ssssss  ----  sssssss  tell us how Jesus Lied when he stated almost 2,000 years ago that everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will Never Die At All. (

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Maybe you're the LIAR?

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13 hours ago, JW Insider said:

If you think people are really frightened from your question, then this might go to motive. I can answer your question and I just might, but what of it if Rutherford was all wrong?

You JWs on here love to paint me all black and evil. So be it, but I find it funny :) 

You obvously didn't want to understand my questions. I even said

13 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

(At this point it matter not that his prediction failed. More to the point of who he expected to live on).

But this is the main point 

13 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

And when Rutherford's breakaway 'group' were named Jehovah's Witnesses, did his idea change from 'Millions' now living will never die, to, Only JWs now living will never die ?

This is a very important issue. Because this makes a big difference in what the Watchtower / Org teaches.

THIS is what JWs are frightened of. Frightened of TRUTH. 

Keep kicking me down because it strengthens my faith in Almighty God through Christ. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

You JWs on here love to paint me all black and evil. So be it, but I find it funny :) 

You obvously didn't want to understand my questions. I even said

But this is the main point 

This is a very important issue. Because this makes a big difference in what the Watchtower / Org teaches.

THIS is what JWs are frightened of. Frightened of TRUTH. 

Keep kicking me down because it strengthens my faith in Almighty God through Christ. 

 

The answer is EASY... Why are Ex-JW's so Frightened of TRUTH.  

 Tell us how Jesus Lied when he stated almost 2,000 years ago that everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will Never Die At All. (

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Maybe you're the LIAR?  If Jesus was really telling the TRUTH...

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1 hour ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Fake man or woman that you are, you must be getting quite close to blasphemy. 

It seems that you and Tom are almost accusing Jesus of telling lies. 

Your misuse of scripture is certainly not Christian behavior, so not worthy of note.

She can't answer so she is twisting....   you played false against holy spirit a long time ago.  That is why you tend not to believe Jesus words when he stated, "everyone who is living and exercises faith in me Will Never Die At All." (John 11:25-26)

Making the statement Millions Now Living will Never Die doesn't make anyone a liar....  it's how you brought up the question that makes one a liar.   “Did God really say that you must not eat from every tree of the garden?”

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