BETHEL'S BIG SECRET

[Dmitar]

7 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

JW elders have access via their password to log in to an electronic database that is not available to other JW members. How big the database is and what it contains depends on how much permission their status gives them, which they received from Bethel or WTJWorg.

Is this to benefit them, or to satisfy the governments needs for privacy. Each country determines their privacy laws. That's why in the USA, they have the "freedom of information act" to give people access to information that is keep from public view.

In the UK,

 Privacy in the UK There is no freestanding right to privacy in the UK, with the courts repeatedly stating that “English law knows no common law tort of invasion of privacy.” [10] As an alternative, the cause of action for breach of confidence has been extended to encompass misuse of wrongful dissemination of private information. 

In Australia, the Data protection act.

Australia regulates data privacy and protection through a mix of federal, state and territory laws. The federal Privacy Act 1988 (Cth) (Privacy Act) and the Australian Privacy Principles ("APPs") contained in the Privacy Act apply to private sector entities (including body corporates, partnerships, trusts and unincorporated associations) with an annual turnover of at least AU$3 million, and all Commonwealth Government and Australian Capital Territory Government agencies.

• Information Privacy Act 2014 (Australian Capital Territory)

• Information Act 2002 (Northern Territory)

• Privacy and Personal Information Protection Act 1998 (New South Wales)

• Information Privacy Act 2009 (Queensland)

• Personal Information Protection Act 2004 (Tasmania), and

• Privacy and Data Protection Act 2014 (Victoria)

The Telecommunications and Other Legislation Amendment (Assistance and Access) Act 2018 (Cth) (“AA Act”) provides law enforcement agencies with access to encrypted data for serious crime investigation and imposes obligations on "Designated Communications Providers". However, the AA Act may inadvertently have a much broader remit with limited judicial oversight, and has been the subject of much criticism from local and global technology firms which have stated the legislation has the potential to significantly impact security / encryption solutions in Australia.

In Canada,

 

Revised : January 2018

There are several laws in Canada that relate to privacy rights. Enforcement of these laws is handled by various government organizations and agencies.

Several factors determine which laws apply and who oversees them. Among them:

• The nature of the organization handling the personal information
  • Is it a federal government institution?
  • Is it a provincial or territorial government institution?
  • Is it private sector?
  • Is it engaged in commercial activities?
  • Is it a federally regulated business?
• Where is the organization based?
• What type of information is involved?
• Does the information cross provincial or national borders?

Therefore, no former Jehovah's Witness is going to tell that institution how to break government laws to suit their personal agenda of misinformation.

7 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Although it is not surprising that not every JW member can access the entire database of the organization to which he belongs (because this is the case in all other normal "secular" organizations/institutions, so WTJWorg is no different in this regard, because it is ultimately "human organization"), remains a worrying realization that the history of "God's earthly organization" contains doctrines and practices that cannot be attributed to a  "God's guidance" and "true truth" that clearly separates the right from the wrong.

It's an earthly organization that is governed by secular authority also. Just like in the times of Jesus, or have you forgotten that.

[Witness]

13 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Although it is not surprising that not every JW member can access the entire database of the organization to which he belongs (because this is the case in all other normal "secular" organizations/institutions, so WTJWorg is no different in this regard, because it is ultimately "human organization"), remains a worrying realization that the history of "God's earthly organization" contains doctrines and practices that cannot be attributed to a  "God's guidance" and "true truth" that clearly separates the right from the wrong.

In a twisted way, they have made this distinction partially through their private database.  As doctrine changes and new publications are eventually dropped, the private database will grow, evidence of their lack of spiritual insight - the "wrong".   I liken it to their massive, dark garbage heap that “privileged” ones can still rummage through, to dig for a paragraph or sentence, appearing to contain some value.  I’m sure the writing committee and the GB relies on these “gems” when forming their new articles and talks; and it comes through as "wisdom", wearing a new coat of paint, but still its origin is from the garbage heap.  

Sometimes the Message Bible gets right to the point.

Ezekiel chapter 13

God’s Message came to me: “Son of man, preach against the prophets of Israel who are making things up out of their own heads and calling it ‘prophesying.’ “Preach to them the real thing. Tell them, ‘Listen to God’s Message!’ God, the Master, pronounces doom on the empty-headed prophets who do their own thing and know nothing of what’s going on! Your prophets, Israel, are like jackals scavenging through the ruins. They haven’t lifted a finger to repair the defenses of the city and have risked nothing to help Israel stand on God’s Day of Judgment. All they do is fantasize comforting illusions and preach lying sermons. They say ‘God says . . .’ when God hasn’t so much as breathed in their direction. And yet they stand around thinking that something they said is going to happen.“   

Haven’t you fantasized sheer nonsense? Aren’t your sermons tissues of lies, saying ‘God says . . .’ when I’ve done nothing of the kind? Therefore—and this is the Message of God, the Master, remember—I’m dead set against prophets who substitute illusions for visions and use sermons to tell lies. I’m going to ban them from the council of my people, remove them from membership in Israel, and outlaw them from the land of Israel. Then you’ll realize that I am God, the Master.

“The fact is that they’ve lied to my people. They’ve said, ‘No problem; everything’s just fine,’ when things are not at all fine. When people build a wall, they’re right behind them slapping on whitewash. Tell those who are slapping on the whitewash, ‘When a torrent of rain comes and the hailstones crash down and the hurricane sweeps in and the wall collapses, what’s the good of the whitewash that you slapped on so liberally, making it look so good?’

We heard Prov 3:5,6 repetitively as JWs, but I don’t recall verse 7 accompanying it:

Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
    and do not rely on your own insight.
⁶ In all your ways acknowledge him,
    and he will make straight your paths.

Do not be wise in your own eyes;
    fear the Lord, and turn away from evil.

If the database is a straight path imparting God’s wisdom, all JWs should have full access to it.  Yet, it is concealed for the obvious folly – stumbling blocks - that it holds. New JWs cannot be stumbled so quickly via the surface streets available to find “knowledge”!  Proverbs chapter 4 explains that as individuals, we are to seek the wisdom of God, and it is obtainable.  Over more than a century, the collective human organization still has not found the wisdom of God, and they never will. (Col 2:8;1 Tim 4:1;Rev 16:13-16)  Wisdom comes from obedience to God’s laws in Jesus Christ…to his word. (Prov 7:1;Jer 35:13;John 14:23; James 1:22)  They have broken these laws by teaching doctrine of men, and by many other atrocities they have committed. (Matt 15:9; 2 Cor 11:4; Gal 1:8,9)

Does their ability to conceal their secret library from the public as well as JWs, mean they believe they can hide their rotten fruit from Jesus Christ as well?  (Matt 7:7-29; John 15:1-11,16)

Mark well that God doesn’t miss a move you make;
    he’s aware of every step you take.
The shadow of your sin will overtake you;
    you’ll find yourself stumbling all over yourself in the dark.
Death is the reward of an undisciplined life;
    your foolish decisions trap you in a dead end.    Prov 5:21-23

 

Victory of Christ

 

 

[Dmitar]

8 hours ago, Witness said:

the private database will grow, evidence of their lack of spiritual insight - the "wrong".   I liken it to their massive, dark garbage heap that “privileged” ones can still rummage through, to dig for a paragraph or sentence, appearing to contain some value.

This means you object to the information held by the Government? Do you usually give your private information, such as your address, social security number, phone number, to a stranger or anyone asking you for it?

Can I have your address, Date of Birth, and social security number, since you object to databases?

8 hours ago, Witness said:

If the database is a straight path imparting God’s wisdom, all JWs should have full access to it.  Yet, it is concealed for the obvious folly – stumbling blocks - that it holds. New JWs cannot be stumbled so quickly via the surface streets available to find “knowledge”!  Proverbs chapter 4 explains that as individuals, we are to seek the wisdom of God, and it is obtainable.  

With this assumption you just made, can I have Pearl Doxsey's home address, phone number, social security number, DOB, etc.?

I assume, since personal data is a stumbling block to the 4Woman Group, you have that info.

Or are you going to renege and refuse to give me the information I'm asking for? If so, Why?

Do you have a database of all former Jehovah's Witnesses, or how about the database of the Vatican that you can share, since you OBJECT to private information held by ANY institution?

I must warn you, in the USA, it's against secular law to make such a breach of private information. But, I'm confident with your resolve, you won't mind spending 10 years in prison. Even for people convicted of murder. So, can I have that info? For internet access, it's called HACKING when someone obtains confidential or private information. They will give any person up to 30 years.

Maybe you, @Patiently waiting for Truth and all other former Jehovah's Witnesses, can band together and enjoy a good prison sentence for the greater good. 

That way we can finally have dirt on people that have fornicated, committed adultery, have homosexual tendencies, spousal abuse, have past convictions of rubbery, arson, assault, etc. Once again, your imprisonment would be for the greater to obtain certain information that is NONE of your business according to the bible 1 Thessalonians 4:11-12 and secular law.

Also, reference, John 21:20-22, Romans 14:4, 1 Peter 4:15

Now information that secular authority contends is for public safety, then you need to reference secular authority protocols, like finding the information of a person placed on probation for child porn. In the USA, States determine how certain information is given. For sex offenders, a database is collected and posted. With your argument, that database would be problematic for you.

Ironically, being placed on probation for CHILD PORN is NOT considered good enough to be placed in a sex offender database in some States. 

[Dmitar]

Another woeful fool making his descent by a down vote. Typical ignorance. When the observation is obtuse, the only response is, reject.

[Kick_Faceinator]

57 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

Another woeful fool making his descent by a down vote. Typical ignorance. When the observation is obtuse, the only response is, reject.

Here’s another one, enjoy it😉

[Dmitar]

43 minutes ago, Kick_Faceinator said:

Here’s another one, enjoy it

Since you can only down vote once, I'll give you this one. A woeful fool needs all the encouragement from Satan to please him. 😏

[Dmitar]

Yet, the same classless and uneducated woeful fool enters a subversive post by a down vote with more of the same ignorance, Perhaps being placed on probation for grave misconduct  has something to do with it, or can it be @Witness demands it. Now that info can be obtained by the proper secular authority channels.

Clearly, the argument shifts standards when that shoe is placed in another foot. Then the tone becomes negative, Stellar minds hard at work here.

[Witness]

11 hours ago, Dmitar said:

This means you object to the information held by the Government? Do you usually give your private information, such as your address, social security number, phone number, to a stranger or anyone asking you for it?

Can I have your address, Date of Birth, and social security number, since you object to databases?

What silly reasoning.  Wt has taken material once public for years (and still is public in various forms - personal libraries, archive.org., etc. ) and made it only accessible to a select few within the organization. I would imagine you have an extensive library of publications yourself.  So, you are defending a private database that isn't really private.  Once public data to JWs, as "proper food at the proper time",  has since become "private", off limits, to the general population ofJ Ws.  Was it ever proper food to begin with?  Jesus said, good "food"/"fruit"  produced by those whom HE sends, should remain...but not hidden away from those who hunger for truth.  (John 15:16; Prov 3:27,28)  

"If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you want and it will be done for you. 8 My Father is glorified by this: that you produce much fruit and prove to be my disciples."

Well, Wt did produce abundant fruit, that is now so rotten it must be hidden from the masses.  What have your leaders proven?  That God is glorified by their rotten fruit? 

"Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So you’ll recognize them by their fruit."  Matt 7:19,20

This is a clamp down, a hiding of their past consistent failures, which appears to target specifically, the younger generations.  And it is they who have fully come to believe that the organization has nothing to hide.  

"One who walks in integrity, walks securely, but one who takes crooked paths will be discovered."  Prov 10:9

 

 

 

 

 

[Dmitar]

41 minutes ago, Witness said:

What silly reasoning.  Wt has taken material once public for years (and still is public in various forms - personal libraries, archive.org., etc. ) and made it only accessible to a select few within the organization. I would imagine you have an extensive library of publications yourself.  So, you are defending a private database that isn't really private.  Once public data to JWs, as "proper food at the proper time",  has since become "private" to JWs.  Was it ever proper food to begin with?  Jesus said, good "food"/"fruit"  produced by those whom HE sends, should remain...but not hidden away from those who hunger for truth.  (John 15:16; Prov 3:27,28)  

What's silly is your imagination of a secret database just because some fool from Bethel said so. You, yourself, just answered your own flawed view.

Once again, Just because you have disloyal Bethel members just to get their names on the news like Anderson, doesn't mean anything. Her husband was once looked at for the very same thing she alleges for that institution. 

Then you have former Jehovah's Witnesses like you, making that process even darker. So, it's not silly when you get personally challenged and YOU are not willing to do, what you are telling that institution they should do. Who are you to make such a demand if you are not willing to subject yourself by your own standard.

41 minutes ago, Witness said:

This is a clamp down, a hiding of their past consistent failures, which appears to target specifically, the younger generations.  And it is they who have fully come to believe that the organization has nothing to hide.  

That's an approach of an evildoer. You should not reflect on scripture, since all of it can be compared and applied to your own life and behavior. 

What you are doing is contrary to Christian ethics and behavior. How dare you call yourself a Christian.

Christian ethics

Bearing witness to the truth

 II. JESUS HAVING GIVEN HIS EVIDENCE FOR TRUTH, IT NOW REMAINS FOR EVERY RELIEVER TO CONFIRM THAT WITNESS TO THE WORLD IN HIS LIFE BY WORDS AND DEEDS. The world does not believe in the Son of God. The Pharisees told Him that His witness was not true. He, on the other hand, when He had laid claim to being the witness for the truth, speaking as never man spake, working with the mighty power of God, turns round upon His followers, and says unto them, "Ye shall be My witnesses." The idea here evidently is that Jesus, having once deposed, they must stand forth to confirm Him before the world. He is, so to speak, the main witness in court. The effort is to break Him down when He claims to be the King of the truth. His word has been spoken, and now His people are rendering their evidence; it is passing silently to the jury, and the verdict is rapidly being made up, either for or against the Son of God. Men must receive Him. This they will do when they see His disciples corroborating in their lives the witness He made for the truth. This corroborating witness of the Church is borne in these ways: we do for God, or we bear for Him, or we suffer for Him. The world pays a special tribute to Christian ethics when it says, Your creed is a good one, but your life is not up to it. We may print religious literature and scatter it over the land, but the world will not read books -- it is too busy, too restless, too eager; but it will read you, and it will receive or reject the claims of the religion of Christ in proportion as it finds in everyday life the record which believers are there making, the witness they are giving.

[Witness]

2 hours ago, Dmitar said:

What's silly is your imagination of a secret database just because some fool from Bethel said so.

First you accuse me that I am against any database, signifying to me that you know of, or accept that there is indeed, a private database on jw.org.  Now you are saying there is no private database on the online library.  

You appear to be on a very crooked road, the same road Wt has established.

"No one makes claims justly;
no one pleads honestly.
They trust in empty and worthless words;
they conceive trouble and give birth to iniquity.

They have not known the path of peace,
and there is no justice in their ways.
They have made their roads crooked;
no one who walks on them will know peace."

Therefore justice is far from us,
and righteousness does not reach us.
We hope for light, but there is darkness;
for brightness, but we live in the night.
10 We grope along a wall like the blind;
we grope like those without eyes.
We stumble at noon as though it were twilight;
we are like the dead among those who are healthy.

Justice is turned back,
and righteousness stands far off.
For truth has stumbled in the public square,
and honesty cannot enter.
15 Truth is missing,
and whoever turns from evil is plundered.
The Lord saw that there was no justice,
and he was offended."   From Isa chapter 59

 

 

 

[Dmitar]

40 minutes ago, Witness said:

First you accuse me that I am against any database, signifying to me that you know of, or accept that there is indeed, a private database on jw.org.  Now you are saying there is no private database on the online library.  

Wrong, that still an assumption coming from you.

41 minutes ago, Witness said:

You appear to be on a very crooked road, the same road Wt has established.

Wrong again, the one walking that crooked road is yourself. Instead of walking in that narrow road, you are condemning yourself by your actions and behavior. Read the passage about Christian Ethics that no one here seems to pay attention to. The public, as well as visitors here, are seeing how dysfunctional everyone is while calling themselves Christian. They see YOU, not what you write, but how you act as a Christian.

but it will read you, and it will receive or reject the claims of the religion of Christ in proportion as it finds in everyday life the record which believers are there making, the witness they are giving.

Unless you act like a Christian, there is nothing you can say to change people's mind about you. Therefore, unless you are willing to submit yourself to the same standard you demand, your words are empty, just like that woeful fool's @Kick_Faceinator down votes. That fool thinks they mean something to me, as if I don't already know who that fool is.

[Dmitar]

@Witness You have now entered into a standard of prosecution against that institution with your relentless dogmatic position, just like the Pharisees did with Jesus, and the Vatican did with Martin Luther.

but it will read you, and it will receive or reject the claims of the religion of Christ in proportion as it finds in everyday life the record which believers are there making, the witness they are giving.

Luke 20:46

1. How it can be supposed that the ancient Jewish church had no distinct notion of the resurrection of the dead is to me truly surprising. The justice of God, so peculiarly conspicuous under the old covenant, might have led the people to infer that there must be a resurrection of the dead, if even the passage to which our Lord refers had not made a part of their law. As the body makes a part of the man, justice requires that not only they who are martyrs for the testimony of God, but also all those who have devoted their lives to his service, and died in his yoke, should have their bodies raised again. The justice of God is as much concerned in the resurrection of the dead, as either his power or mercy. To be freed from earthly incumbrances, earthly passions, bodily infirmities, sickness; and death, to be brought into a state of conscious existence, with a refined body and a sublime soul, both immortal, and both ineffably happy-how glorious the privilege! But of this, who shall be counted worthy in that day? Only those who have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb, and who, by patient continuing in well doing, have sought for glory and honour and immortality.