BETHEL'S BIG SECRET

[Space Merchant]

Just now, Srecko Sostar said:

Reading your comment on the topic I realized what you are commenting on that topic. Your comment would be, it is what I understood, not the history of America. 

Then why did you feel the need that to say you knew about the Era without a thought? Actually it was specific to the Era itself, not a Generalization of American History, this is why I was specific with the Era I was referring to. You later tried to associate this with Doctrines, which is not the case, as is the Bible Students in that Era.

Mainly with what you said afterwards which you dodged by stating opinion when there was only facts used.:

[Srecko Sostar]

@Space Merchant  Let's repeat the question. I'm not asking who you're interacting with. I asked you if you could prove that no one but me reads your comments (comments in general and comments about me)?

[Space Merchant]

9 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

And you call this evidence? 

• Interaction 1
• Interaction 2
• Interaction 3
• Interaction 4
• Interaction 5

Surprisingly there is more dating back to when you deleted the thread.

All mentioned were in associated with you and you alone.

9 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

PS

It is just opinion!

Actually it is a fact, with evidence. If I had used "I think" or something to a similar effect whereas there is no evidence, then it would be an opinion, for opinions are as such whereas facts can be proven/unproven if true or false.

As for your latest remark, no mentions the Glasgow remarks. I see you removed Glasgow in it to shift, not a good look.

That being said, both you and Witness present a dangerous precedent for using misinformation as truth, and you deviating harder to protect her is sad, possibly why your 3rd wheel in this thread is as quite as a church mouse. Errors, even the ones she made, should be called out for it, but you refusing to do so shows the defense, and we didn't even get to example 2 of the video, which is even worse.

[Dmitar]

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

No, i can't. On the other hand, I don’t even need to confirm things that belong to the behaviors of the human species. The behavior of the human species in general confirms that these and many other things burden human relationships.

When you classify, you're obligated. That's the burden you have placed on yourself. There's no such thing as, only your word is valid.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Also, JW publications and other verbal topics that can be heard at JW meetings confirm that some JW members have trouble overcoming negative feelings towards others. Among other things, these are national and racial and social differences that create divisions within some assemblies.

I'll agree to some extent. However, I reference the people here, not an actual church where people are NOT that corrupt. Give me and example where Jesus gave perfection as a precursor to Christianity?

As far as I can tell, a united church has many types of citizens. Why are you desperate to make it about political and ethnic world views?

The Jews had a problem with the gentiles. However, that was something under Christianity that needed to overcome. To an extent, it did. 

Therefore, this criticism is your own man-made view.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I also visited the so-called "Yugoslav" assemblies outside the SFRY (Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia), which had great tensions after the break-up of Yugoslavia in 1991. So I kind of know what I'm talking about.
If this was the case in this part of Europe, why would racial and segregation issues not have a greater impact on the lives of JW assemblies in America? And not only in the "period of segregation" in the years mentioned in the comments, but also today?

Did witnesses have a political affiliation? Or was that tension man-made by governments. Your logic here make no sense whatsoever.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Proof? Do some scientific research and you will get official data. Which will be able to be challenged because some will not want to believe in them.

Once again, you're wandering off. What kind of DATA can science offer about an institution's administration? Return to earth, please.

I'm sorry to say, you've hung around @Witness too long.

[Dmitar]

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Since all people are “imperfect,” then one could say that some BSs probably also had racist feelings thanks to their American culture, heritage, and social environment.

You can say that about you, @Witness, @Patiently waiting for Truth, @Kick_Faceinator, etc. What's the point?

[Dmitar]

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

And you call this evidence? 

 

PS

It is just opinion!

Can you explain why your comments shouldn't be considered an opinion? Doe this mean "only" you and @Witness are privileged for suggesting you are bringing some kind of proof to the table?

I know hundreds of former Bethelite's that are just as dishonest as a former Jehovah's Witness with an axe to grind, here. Explain how this person is credible?

[Space Merchant]

Now then, it is already noted that Example 1 concerning Racism by the YouTuber was incorrect, as is him stating JWs not knowing the existence of archives whereas most of them do, after all, JWs were known to have CD/DVD Libraries containing most of these old publications, hence why from there and their website, these Archives exist, people are aware, as is knowing there is other material which are public for search.

For instance the below, 

As with majority of comments on this forum and elsewhere that alludes to the Archives (several examples already mentioned, some persons mentioned by name as is other communities, such as CSE), as is the one Witness presented when she assumes such does not exist. Therefore, the Archives indeed do exist.

A novice JW on this forum brought up archives in regards to dealing with you and 2 Trinitarians, so clearly, stuff like this is not unknown, hidden or a big secret.

That being said, the Former JW Bethel member's second example - The Holocaust/Nazism. He attested to a publication dating back to the 1930s and made the claim that The Nazis were solely AFTER the Jehovah's Witnesses only, and them alone whereas Jews, Gypsies, etc. were just the collateral damage, pick ups, etc.

Therefore, his claim was proven to be false, granted of what we know about that history.

More so he pulled a Leftist like tactic, the reading of a title without knowing what the document/article states - a parallel to something you did with the child abuse documents in King's County in the other thread, and you attested to be serious about the matter; jabbing at a survivor even...

In regards to this ExJW, he is very far from the truth, and granted the Holocaust is a Historical Event, the majority knows even the elementary knowledge of this account with pertains to World War II, and in regards to Historical accounts, it is already known you cannot handle such, as seen here o for if you didn't know outside of fiction a Storm Trooper relates to WWI, no one would take you serious with events pertaining to WW II.

That said, the Bible Students, now known as Jehovah’s Witnesses were not the sole focus of the Nazi Regime as this former Bethel member attested to, therefore his claim, in this case, is proven false. JWs at the time endured intense persecution under the Nazi regime (granted this is historical, so much so everyone is aware of this be it JW or not, likewise with the tragically disgruntled  EXJWs who gleefully wished that ALL Jehovah's Witnesses died in Gas Chambers).

The Jehovah's Witnesses for they were not the focus, but were among those caught in the mix. The actions against the faith group and its individual members lasted around for sometime, 1933-1945, if I am not mistaken. The truth of the matter, of which this ExJW got wrong is that unlike Jews, Sinti and Roma (or Gypsies), and others persecuted, all of which tormented and killed by virtue of their birth, in regards to the Jehovah’s Witnesses, is was more than that, for the ultimatum they had to gain the opportunity to escape persecution, harm and or death was to renouncing their religious beliefs. And granted it is already known how Jehovah's Witnesses operated (i.e. Minersville School District v. Gobitis of 1940 - also a known history, mainly by those who knows The United States Constitution 1789 (rev. 1992)) their level of endurance prevented them from doing so, [refuse/avoid] renouncing their faith, even if the embodiment of death stands before them;  knowing torment and death is a high possibility on that moment, and should they face death by whatever ill means the Nazis had their black book, it does nothing, in fact, this resulted in the JWs getting emboldened, yielding respect of many contemporaries.

The reason also stems from the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses were targeted in this manner because they were unwilling to accept the authority of the state, because of their international connections, and because they were strongly opposed to both war on behalf of a temporal authority and organized government in matters of conscience - hence they are and were neutral. This also relates to moves to aggressively steps against Jehovah's Witnesses, breaking up their meetings, ransacking and then occupying their local buildings, etc. and this action took place prior by means of those who old some form of political power/influence, similar to what the Russia's Trio - The Kremlin, Church and Duma did prior to Putin's victory (a suspiciously flawless one) outside of their beef with Ukraine and Alexei Navalny (Алексей Навальный).

Questionable material? Not really, mainly to those who are knowing of history and or on the right side of history.

The former Bethel member of the JWs second example mirrors the first one about Racism, as with the Archives, as is the final one, thus his bias opinion... The publication in question should have been read, more so, it puts the majority of disgruntled JWs in a contradiction, namely those of the John Cedars crowd who tried to twist information, which explains the JWs position on apostate material on the internet.

The last example mirrors the same thing which can be challenged and refuted.

That being said, to the Jehovah's Witnesses here, in regards to them, I doubt (giving my opinion for the first and only time), they assume they were the sole focus of the Nazis, let alone being the sole target prior to the Jews and others, as for what was presented, legitimate fact, this is indeed true, therefore, something that is verified, as for your ExJW /Bethel friend, proven false again for his bias induced claim, it is no whatever even comments related to that example was purposely blocked/removed, why is that? Of course the fish flailing you and Srecko are doing as with silent Bill, can't do you any good.

All of the above is 100% Fact in regards to JWs and the Holocaust vs The Former JW Bethel member, you, Silent Bill, and Srecko.

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

Wow, 7 pages of arguing between people that say they are Christians. 

No I didn't read it all. 

Dimmy and others have mentioned Visitors to this forum. I'm sure any visitor would easily note that this is not a true Christian forum.  

I don't know if this link will be of interest to anyone 

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/80008/pastor-russell-colored-friends

I don't know if this article is saying that BS - JWs expected black people to turn white once they had learnt the JW way of life. 

[Space Merchant]

3 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Wow, 7 pages of arguing between people that say they are Christians. 

No I didn't read it all. 

No need to because the issue here is the misleading, so a refutation, however, Dmitar's focus was on Pricvay Act issues, which isn't too different from what you asked before.

Also as a side note, you of all peole should know a Christian should be defending a Truthful Witness, not a False one.

That being said, the disccusion is in regards to a True Witness and a False Witness, whereas the latter has no idea what the video entails.

To give you a breif run down:

• Witness claims the video is true, however, the video has misleading information riddled in bias opinions.
• Witness claims Archives are unknown to people, even JWs because of a logon in Bethel, however, the Archives exist to the public.
• Srecko aruges, and Witness, about privacy, Dmitar interjected.
• Witness' video claims Bible Students purposely segregated because they were racist, however, this is not true, for although they had seperate churches due to customs in the United States, as is the laws, they still attempted to risk in a violent enviroment to see their brothers and sisters, black and or white. The events of Tulsa utlimately destorys the bias opinion.
• Srecko claims to know of the focused Era from Example 1, however, he back pedals form his statement,and attested the notation to human beahavior and doctrine, however, this is not the case.
• Example 2 is in regards to the Holoscause and Nazism whereas Witness' video attest to the the idea JWs were the sole target, which is untrue, the Nazi went after Jews, and everyone else, JWs, came much later; it is also noted that JWs were tormented differently compared to others, it is because the Nazis wanted them to renouced their faith.
• The conclusion shows there is indeed misleading information in the video, however, the latter defends misinformation willfully, thus even disrepescting 1 John 4:1 in order to do so.
• Srecko's Glasgow now effects Witness.

3 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

I don't know if this link will be of interest to anyone 

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/80008/pastor-russell-colored-friends

The link you provided was brought up in my older disscusion concerning CTR (I am not sure if you even read the link either), as pointed out, not only have ExJWs from that time, 17 years ago, jumble, they state things that are not associated with the truth of the matter; taking information that is true/false and mold it into something entirely different - as seen by opinion riddled comments and so forth for example, i.e. CTR's wife, his beleifs, the Era he is from, Masonic Hall, etc.

The thread also puts the Witness' YouTuber video in an even more compromising spot.

For that website/forum is no different from here. The difference is it is riddled with more ExJWs and Atheists compared to here, granted eyars ago, those who are not fans of God dominate the fourm base, this was the case with the Stack Exchange also.

The irony of it all is that just like the video, the commenters applied today's view of Racisim to the 1900s (and the late 1800s), the same problem the YouTuber has done, therefore leads to the reason as to Witness willfully adhereing to a misleading information, likewise with the Archives, which even in that link some have used (the same Archives Witness attesed to not existing which she uses), as is other events of the 1900s even outside of the United States, i.e. Germany.

Surely you could do better than that, but if I were you, I would not interject, for the issue is in regards to the party who support misleading information being - Witness, Bill, and Srecko. If you get invovled, it would only be a problem for you because there is a chance your tenure may be brought to question concerning Race and World War II and or you being challeneged in a True vs False Witness disscusion. 

3 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

I don't know if this article is saying that BS - JWs expected black people to turn white once they had learnt the JW way of life. 

This article was brought up, cited before. If people add their own exgesis into it, let alone opinions, as is what we can see by the comments, then the truth in this regard is obsured.

Also your latter statement is incorrect because at the time, it was Bible Students, not Jehovah's Witnesses, i.e. the events of 1921 and prior, Bible Students were in the United States and they only becaome Jehovah's Witnesses years later.

It should be known to you of your former faith that Pastor Russell was succeeded in 1917 by Pastor Rutherford, for even around that time, the new Pastor and the Christains still went under the name Bible Students. It wasn't until much later on the group's name to Jehovah's Witnesses in 1931 to emphasize its members' belief that Jehovah, or Yahweh, is the true God and that the Witnesses were his specially chosen followers. The early events of the Segregation Era, as is Tulsa, which actions of the Bible Students then, disqualfies the fact that the YouTuber attest to them to be adhering to Jim Crow-sque mentality.

If this was indeed the expectation, then the in real life example of the white man risking his life for a black man would be entirely different. More so, if Bible Students gave into the Jim Crow mentality at the time, there is a high chance that

[A] Pastor Rutherford would have been dealt with early on which would erase the coming events of 1931

[B] This would literally prevent Jehovah's Witnesses from existing, as with other events that took place since the Bible Students would end up like some faith groups who vanished from 1914 onward.

[C] even Historical Accounts invovling them would vanish, the situation with the Consitution in 1940, Blood Transfusion, The transation and or collection of various Bibles, etc.

In short - Jehovah's Witnesses would have not existed for those under Jim Crow would have made sure of it, after all, they tried to eradicate all Black people in Tulsa because they assume a black man had sexually assaulted a 17 year old girl, an event that did not occur.

EDIT:

As I said, seems you've  successfully interjected yourself when you coined the entity himself. You've walked yourself into this one.

[Dmitar]

Wow! Woeful foolishness linked to another apostate site that doesn't get their facts straight either, just like this forum from former Jehovah'e Witnesses in order to continue their great deceptions.

It's true, I don't consider this a Christian site. That's the admonition I keep warning the visitors about. This is precisely what scripture means about testing the spirit. It's not about testing scripture and the word of God, it's about woeful fools that have tarnished their lives by accepting their own interpretation of the bible. This site is designed for former and present disgruntled Jehovah's Witnesses that have things in common. Mainly woeful ignorance of scripture.

[Srecko Sostar]

20 hours ago, Dmitar said:

Can you explain why your comments shouldn't be considered an opinion?

Why should I explain what is obvious? My comments are my opinion.

[Dmitar]

7 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Why should I explain what is obvious? My comments are my opinion.

That's good you understand it. For a minute, you sounded like your opinion is the only one that mattered. That former Jehovah Witnesses opinions have "substantial" credibility when their own behavior condemns the very thing they are woefully trying to warn people about. Psychologically unsound.

Sad to say, in this time of human existence, people are what they speak, regardless of whom they say they are.