Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions

[Witness]

10 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Also, prayer at the beginning and end of Bible study does not reach God, because He does not warn them (JW members) of the hidden pitfalls and hidden intentions of the one with whom they study the Bible. 

We can also turn this around to say, God does not warn the householder of hidden pitfalls and intentions of the one - (shoot up the ladder to the leaders) -  they are studying the Bible with.  

But really, God did warn us through His Word, we just didn't take note at the right time.  (Jer 14:14; Ezek 13:1-7;  Matt 7:15-18; 24:24,25; 1 John 4:1; 1 Tim 4:1,2)

"You must understand this: In the last days there will be violent periods of time. 2 People will be selfish and love money. They will brag, be arrogant, and use abusive language. They will curse their parents, show no gratitude, have no respect for what is holy, 3 and lack normal affection for their families. They will refuse to make peace with anyone. They will be slanderous, lack self-control, be brutal, and have no love for what is good. 4 They will be traitors. They will be reckless and conceited. They will love pleasure rather than God. 5 They will appear to have a godly life, but they will not let its power change them. Stay away from such people.

6 Some of these men go into homes and mislead weak-minded women who are burdened with sins and led by all kinds of desires. 7 These women are always studying but are never able to recognize the truth.

8 As Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men oppose the truth. Their minds are corrupt, and the faith they teach is counterfeit. 9 Certainly, they won’t get very far. Like the stupidity of Jannes and Jambres, their stupidity will be plain to everyone."   2 Tim 3:1-8

 

So, of course, organized religion would attract not only the naïve, but the traitors; who carry out the desires of deceitful wicked rulers - and the desires of their own wicked heart.  

 

The Sign of the End

 

 

 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

For the first time, today i saw a stand at an outdoor market, for 'Urban Bulldogs Against Kids Abuse'.  This is a biker organisation. Now this is here in sleepy Devon England. 

As much as I want to see children protected, this biker organisaton sets alarms ringing for me. 

 

[Pudgy]

Why, specifically?

Would you instead of the Urban Bulldogs, prefer Metropolitan Poodles?

 

[Space Merchant]

18 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

For the first time, today i saw a stand at an outdoor market, for 'Urban Bulldogs Against Kids Abuse'.  This is a biker organisation. Now this is here in sleepy Devon England. 

As much as I want to see children protected, this biker organisaton sets alarms ringing for me. 

 

Yes there are many groups who combat CSA, you stumbled upon the semi non-violent one.

This is what I have been referring to for years. There was a boom in groups and factions from 2015 onward (present day) even that concerning vigilantism, even more because of the internet. Reasons being that child abuse as well as abuse towards Women will spawn these groups, more so, some of them bring their own version of justice, which at times, can be violent, hence why regarding CSA there are factions who want activism and or action taking to be aggressive whereas as some do not, the aggressive types then to be the ones who commit to violence, then you have the extreme, going on a warpath.

Keeping it PG, it does get violent with some for I will not speak of the actions of a few, who do have blood on their hands from legitimate abusers and those unproved to have abused a child, like the PES members.

There were people who recorded these executions, even putting it on YouTube granted they see this as justice against pedophiles, but not much is said for alleged ones, whereas there was no proof of them abusing children and they lost their lives anyway.

On 3/19/2018 at 3:31 AM, Space Merchant said:

a warpath without having better solutions and ways of going about the issue of child abuse - going as far as to twist fact to tickle the ears of the masses to join the same foolish cause when others are doing it the right and correct way in gunning for the problem at hand and not a specific group of persons.

On 3/2/2019 at 5:24 PM, Space Merchant said:

Another problem is that such sparks vigilantism whereas at some cases, the one who seeks the abuser, or the abuser, or victim succumb to further harm and or problems.

 

 

[Space Merchant]

12 hours ago, Pudgy said:

Why, specifically?

Would you instead of the Urban Bulldogs, prefer Metropolitan Poodles?

 

Some people get fancy with names, however, the name may not be serious for some, but the actions for the extreme types is insane, some actions I don't think anyone on this forum can stomach.

[Space Merchant]

You misinterpreted what I said obviously as you did last time concerning CSA. You were asked for Red Flags, to name one or a few dominant ones concerning CSA, I asked you for what abusers are known to do when it comes to access to children.

You said the following

On 9/16/2021 at 2:26 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

Do you know how, in which way and after how much time "random folks" become JW members?

And I told you this, as this is concerning how all abusers who wish to do harm operate.

The statement is true when it comes to detection, that is, if you know the red flags. Now, concerning you Srecko, as I told you in the CSA thread concerning solutions, if you do not know any of these red flags, not even the minor ones to detect an abuser, they can miniplate you and you wouldn't even know it.

As told to you last year on the CSA thread I asked JWI to move for me - Someone who wants to commit abuse because of their pedophilia disorder, not being able to control it or seek help, they will target institutions and or businesses. In this case, JW churches, for religious institutions and educational ones are targets because of the abuser not being able to gain access to neighborhood children or the like, and or if they do not have any children themselves to abuse.

They do not immediately go to a JW church, they would look into them first, and know how they operate, likewise pick the best state before confronting them. The avg. JW would not know this person's intent, or any Red Flags.

From there, they begin their manipulation, earn trust of everyone, even the children and people around them, even to an extent, neighboring people around the JW church who are of other faiths and or non religious, for they are the blow back in case of a problem.

People like this you may not necessarily know very well resulting in you not bothering to discern the person, i.e. name/face alone (a neighbor, a coach, a parent of another child you know). As mentioned, the abuser can be a relative, and they counsel their intent from family members. In order to gain access to your child, they establish a rapport with the parent and the people, even the community, and eventually the child (if in household they make sure to get the child alone), but in some cases, they are less careful about hiding their intentions, therefore, knowing to detect as well as being cautious is critical, mainly when an abuser can display specific behaviors and characteristics while holding back the impulse of their disorder.  

Those manipulated by such ones end up trusting them without a thought, and the people caught by this trust them with a child, as they pretend to enjoy your company and the child's. One may see some of these signs and pass them off as normal behavior – and in some cases, they may be. When abuse occurs with people we know, the perpetrator is not necessarily seeking out opportunities to prey on children, but finds him/herself with an opportunity to take advantage of access, trust, and familiarity with a parent and/or child, thus becoming an opportunist.

 

These people, Red Flag(s) of a potential abuser, this goes for child on child abuse too.

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• Volunteers or works with children, some do not have children of their own, or child friendly toys – video games, tree house, train sets/doll collections etc.

 

• Spends more time with children than adults or peers – may even come off as immature and childish themselves.

 

• Has a “favorite” child they seem to spend time with (which may vary from year to year)

 

• Gives gifts or special privileges for no apparent reason.

 

• Overly affectionate/playful with children – hugging, tickling, wrestling, holding or having a child sit on their lap.

 

• Disregards “no” “stop” or other efforts from a child to avoid physical contact.

 

• Long stares or periods of watching a child. In some instances, even take pictures of the child, be it partially clothed and or nude; keep and or share child pornography (pornography being involved results even in masturbation to said material).

 

• Comments or conversation about a child’s appearance – which may even take a turn for the inappropriate (even to an extent, none kid friendly words, expressions, and phrases)

 

• May exhibit a sense that they feel they have special rights/privileges above others.

 

• Eagerness to learn details of your personal (possibly romantic) life and your child and their interests.

 

• Flattery of you, your child, their talents and likewise, they may boast about their own successes/accomplishments, charitable work, generosity etc.

 

• If you are a single parent (especially a mother) – this person may be a new or potential romantic interest that comes off as “too good to be true” or anyone that seems interested in filling in as a fatherly role for your child.

 

• Seems to like the very same things that your child is interested in.

 

• Tries to establish a sense of camaraderie with your child and draw your child away from you “I know how parents are” “you’re old enough to go alone”.

 

• Attempts to make you doubt your protective instincts “, results in manipulation used on the child unto parents/guardians and or anyone who knows the child/relatives. 

 

• Offers to “help out” with your child , to look over and or be an acquaintance that offers to look after the child (again, manipulation to deter you or a guardian away, less supervision)

 

• If your child is particularly talented (musically, artistically, athletically, or is involved in pageants etc) and someone approaches you with opportunities that seem like they would benefit your child – private lessons/photography shoots/meeting scouts etc. An IRL case mentioned to you a long time ago of a similar event concerning a High School Girl.

 

• Someone that suggests a child is “troubled” or prone to lying (to discredit future claims of abuse by the child.)

Know what some of the basic detectable Red Flags are, for they've been addressed to you, again.

As for your other remarks

On 9/18/2021 at 11:07 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

From your explanation I would conclude that then the problem is in those JWs who conduct a Bible study with an “interested pedophile,” and later in JW elders who approve of such a candidate to be baptized as a JW.

They would not know of the pedophile at first because majority of people cannot detect red flags, you didn't know what they were yourself, so the unfortunate JWs, and you are in effect, can be manipulated.

On 9/18/2021 at 11:07 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

It follows from all this that, the JW belief as"the angels guide and supervise their preaching" and thus the biblical teaching on the individual level of the future candidate, is not useful. Or you have such impression how angels are not helpful in JW preaching service?

People can preach the gospel, however, not everyone can detect the intentions of some, even among Christians. In the early church, all Christians prayed for the spirit, and had guidance from that of God's spirit Sons, even with that, they didn't figure out a certain few who were later found out among the Christian faith, like that of Hymenaeus, Alexander, or maybe Diotrephes. Some Christians didn't know what they were doing or professing, others, like Paul knew via discernment and much later on took action. (1 Timothy 1:19, 20; 3 John 9, 10). This can also be compared to God watching over the Israelites in the wilderness, granted some Israelites fell to bad influence and had ill action, only for some to call them out on it later on.

Likewise with the situation, which is parallel to the above highlighted, that is compared to day revolving around child abuse, no one is aware of the intent of the abuser, however, some can detect and go about action directly or indirectly, which is often most the case.

On 9/18/2021 at 11:07 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

Also, prayer at the beginning and end of Bible study does not reach God, because He does not warn them (JW members) of the hidden pitfalls and hidden intentions of the one with whom they study the Bible. 

God hears certain prayers, yes. But again, there is no way for a random JW to detect intent, you were not aware of the red flags or intent either, so if the position was swapped, you would not know yourself. Abusers keep their intent hidden at first because the barrier they want to establish is trust. The group they target they research them prior to interaction.

On 9/18/2021 at 11:07 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

JW members believe that God and the Holy Spirit lead/guide this “imperfect” Organization that claims to be the only true Christian congregation.

As with all Christians who believe God guides the imperfect ones. All men are sinners, born sinners according to Scripture.

On 9/18/2021 at 11:07 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

Observers would rightly expect the CSA plague not to be in such proportions at the JW Church.

This was the point of Bystander Syndrome (Effect). They wouldn't know. Not even ExJWs know they themselves can detect abusers. Not only it is referring to inaction, but at times being unaware of a potential danger. More so, the abuser at this point is in the stage of gaining/establishing trust. They do not really take action until much later on where the basic red flags listed above takes place.

On 9/18/2021 at 11:07 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

Observers would rightly expect, too, that JW members and especially leaders/elders in JW assemblies be prepared for all, "be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one".

No one can clean out CSA 100%, they can only prevent, not even JWs. Abusers can be callous and cunning at times to exploit the situation even further, so things often times need to be shifted. This is why education and solutions are key to further reduce child victims, you should know this, you and Witness adhered to CSA prevention before, so curious as to why that was not mentioned.

On 9/18/2021 at 11:07 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

But, sadly, JW members and elders failed.

Not all of them. The failure of Fremont JWs does not mirror the success of Swahili JWs. There are some people in every institution who are educated on CSA, how to detect an abuser and signs of someone who was abused. Not too long ago the teenager even asked you questions about CSA, you called it activism when the context of his message was not activism. Elsewhere, we have the British in Hyde, they asked for conversation about a problem, and there are even groups (the non violent ones) who are jumping into the issue of CSA, and as for me, you already know my history although you pretend to not remember I told you the same thing many times.

As mentioned, there are the aware ones and the unaware. If we can use you as an example, it can be evident to the evaded question of where you are.

On 9/18/2021 at 11:07 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

They failed the exam/the test.

Child abuse, be it sex or mental, has nothing to do with a test, as is those with the ability to detect it or not, for they are just as much victim too. Never call CSA as such again, it is a disrespect.

That being said, learn what Red Flags are and how to combat abuse. The link for the thread JWI setup for me, you can address to that to, as is your remarks which can be found there too.

 

[Srecko Sostar]

41 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

you already know my history although you pretend to not remember I told you the same thing many times.

Sometimes my memory is short. I am not pretending. You speak more than it is necessary, when try to expose other people, supposed/alleged motives and position.  

46 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

Child abuse, be it sex or mental, has nothing to do with a test, as is those with the ability to detect it or not, for they are just as much victim too. Never call CSA as such again, it is a disrespect.

CSA is not "test" for victims, but it is "test" for GB and JW elders who put themselves in position to judge people (perpetrators and victims) about it. Who put themselves in position to bring Policy that is obligated for members to respect and obey inside WTJWorg. When JW elders convince a victim that they cannot and must not trust him/her because there are no two witnesses to support his/her claim, then it is disrespect to the victim. I think your claim is misdirected. Disrespect, in this example, cannot be directed at the type of crime, but at the people who experienced that crime on their own skin. Not trusting and not helping a victim who has gone through “hell”, that is disrespect/disrespectful.

[Space Merchant]

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Sometimes my memory is short. I am not pretending. You speak more than it is necessary, when try to expose other people, supposed/alleged motives and position.

I never exposed you, merely pointed out you were told on how to deal with the issue via solutions, even my stance, which I made clear to you, but you continuously go around it even though it relates to CSA prevention. Even with how abusers operate is mentioned, you attest to that same motive. In some of your remarks you pretend you do not see where I stand even to this day.

You made a comment here regarding my stance and I responded, as seen below

 

You were even told the below:

On 11/6/2018 at 7:29 AM, Space Merchant said:

Another thing I stated the following, directly to you: Well the thing is Srecko, I am not talking about JWs, I am talking to you, directly,

I said this because if you are unaware of such services actually exist, you show yourself not to be someone who is doing things the better way of putting into application, teaching our young ones about the problem so they themselves can teach others to lessen cases of abuse, be it sexual or violence and or other.

Never once from there onward to today you did any grounded discussion about abuse, and when asked, you stated activism, when at the same time you admit being on other platforms. CSA prevention encourages discussion to look into solutions, they didn't ask you to strike out.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

CSA is not "test" for victims, but it is "test" for GB and JW elders who put themselves in position to judge people (perpetrators and victims) about it. Who put themselves in position to bring Policy that is obligated for members to respect and obey inside WTJWorg. 

Victim or those manipulated as victims so the abuser can reach children is not a test, nor was it to begin with. You picked poor choice of words to those who dwell on this.

You said recently that they were under some test, no need to re-route your words now.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

When JW elders convince a victim that they cannot and must not trust him/her because there are no two witnesses to support his/her claim, then it is disrespect to the victim.

The latter of the ruling was also addressed before. After research one can learn what that actually is and it's application, as is with the information of an ExJW who spoke of this until he got shut down himself, hence my quotations to the Atheist.

I can see now you are attempting to spin the test remark due to blow back. Not wise.

Now, that is a contradiction because the JWs aware of CSA do otherwise, not all of them assume something that horrid would take place in their community, some are aware. Even the JWs on this forum are well aware of CSA and they are capable of discussion in the matter, being grounded. Fremont was unprepared but their counterpart were, this can be said in the UK whereas CSA is problematic. So how can you say this when one, even some, are able to handle CSA, moreover, evidence, likewise in the justice system, is also counted as a witness too if an aftermath does occur (injury, bodily fluids, blood and or fluid on clothing/furniture, etc.). The justice system use the similar ruling, so the remark you made is also null.

Regarding The Justice System - https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1750-comparison-perjury-statutes-18-usc-1621-and-1623#:~:text=The "two witness" rule%2C,uncorroborated testimony of one witness.

This is why ARC, knowing what it entails, told the JWs to better clarify what that means vs those who apply it incorrectly and or don't know what that is.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I think your claim is misdirected.

Misdirect?

Here you go: JW members believe that God and the Holy Spirit lead/guide this “imperfect” Organization that claims to be the only true Christian congregation. Observers would rightly expect the CSA plague not to be in such proportions at the JW Church. Observers would rightly expect, too, that JW members and especially leaders/elders in JW assemblies be prepared for all, "be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one". But, sadly, JW members and elders failed. They failed the exam/the test.

Child Abuse is not a test, be it the victim, those manipulated, or those who got caught in child abuse themselves due to them not being able to properly handle such in some instances, even if some fail, and thus suffer from an aftermath.

Don't refer to such things as a test, for, as stated, it is a disrespect, mainly due to the fact this is a brazen sin that effects everyone and every group. Abusers, being traitors or deceptive, know what there doing making people fall to this form of manipulation, which in turn, brings forth the Red Flags, from the basic to the serious.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

in this example, cannot be directed at the type of crime, but at the people who experienced that crime on their own skin.

How does this constitute to a test as you stated should those involve fail? The person ends up becoming a victim. Granted we are speaking of child abuse, should another child abuse a child younger than them, and failure is involved, that in of itself is a crime of which people deal with the aftermath, this was not a test granted the victim end up as prey to an abuser, be it adult or child. As of recent news, the events with the FBI wasn't a test either due to failure.

UK is a bit different in this regard, I addressed this to JB already, but the problem is the gangs, which gives abusers outside of it a chance to take action in person or online.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Not trusting and not helping a victim who has gone through “hell”, that is disrespect/disrespectful.

Hence manipulation and bystander syndrome which begets being unprepared, therefore, people go through "Hell" as do those being unaware go through "Hell" even because they themselves fell victim in a sense.

NOTE: Abusers can manipulate the people around the child, you were told this in this thread several times.

As already mention, when an abuser enters a community successfully, the basic red flags are committed. Those in the community, not knowing the red flags are slowly manipulated and the abuser takes action from there. There is a reason as to why they take time to commit their attacks. People aware of Red Flags have an ample amount of time to detect and discern the situation.

That being said, the very reason I asked you if you knew the dominant Red Flags regarding child abuse, that can range from violence, sex, mental, even pornography. You must be aware of these things to better help a potential victim, granted even outside of religion, it is difficult because of how abusers operate in a neighborhood instance of an institutional community, mainly those who hold back action, moreover.

As I said before, to help a child, use your platform. You're all over the place yet not once, going to what the JW told you, attested to the notation of discussing CSA in said manner. If others can do this, I don't see why you withhold yourself since you speak of CSA a lot yourself.

As a side note, the irony in this is Witness used the same thing once by sourcing CSA prevention as with traitors, which you agreed with, yet when it was professed with prior, you didn't take it lightly. You seem to know what is correct, but simply choose when you feel like it. That is just based off of discernment.

In regards to JWs, CSA has been reduced temporarily for abusers cannot get to their churches or to them directly as they did pre-Endemic.

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

16 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Not even ExJWs know they themselves can detect abusers.

Ex JWs are 'cut off' from communication with JWs and JW children.  

I know of two men, JWs, one is an Elder. I have reason to suspect them of being capable of CSA. You see I must chose my words carefully here.  I will of course be accused of just being anti-JW.  

The local congregation quite often has 'dressing up' parties and the Elder wears costumes that other JWs find shocking. That Elder made a comment to a Sister about her two daughters which the Sister was shocked to hear. She told my wife and I about it. This was before i left the 'Org'.   

The other man came to the local congregation and it seems that no one knows anything about his past. (If the Elders do know then they are keeping it secret) He has made himself 'very friendly' to one of my step daughters and her four young children, mainly the three girls. He gets the girls to sit on his knee.  My wife tells me of these things as my step daughter is still a JW and I'm not allowed to visit her and her family. So I cannot converse with those children that maybe at risk.  On one occasion, it seems, one of the girls was sitting on this man's lap and someone else entered the room, so the child got off his lap and went over to the other person. This man seemed to get very upset and moved seats to be closer to the girl. The whole family have remarked on this but no one has told the Body of Elders about this man's behavior.... My step daughter still allows this man to spend time with her children. As an ex-JW I am an outcast from them. If I make any accusations I will not be listened to or I will be accused of hating JWs. 

[Srecko Sostar]

9 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Now, that is a contradiction because the JWs aware of CSA do otherwise, not all of them assume something that horrid would take place in their community, some are aware. Even the JWs on this forum are well aware of CSA and they are capable of discussion in the matter, being grounded.

WTJWorg and its representatives all these years have not written or said that the JW church has a problem with the CSA. They claim that these are false accusations and slanders by the "hostile world" and former members. Denying that a problem exists is also a type of education that JW members receive from their religious leaders. And you are calling me here that I am against education?

[Space Merchant]

14 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

WTJWorg and its representatives all these years have not written or said that the JW church has a problem with the CSA.

In several cases of CSA there has been some information. This is why some JWs are equipped to handle CSA and some are not. Again, Swahili JWs, the British/Arab JW, even the one here who told you about combating CSA, and I believe Anna had mentioned to you time and time again as with others. More so information had been professed.

 

14 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

They claim that these are false accusations and slanders by the "hostile world" and former members.

Not all of them, and often times, some of what they said has been taken out of context. Reasons why the remark in ARC was stated for them to clarify for it is evident that some of their members do not know how to deal with the issue.

ExJWs sometimes take the words of JWs out of context, but at the same time, there are ExJWs who have to explain to those in their community about secular law and CSA, hence why there is a division between them, this excludes the EXJWs who they themselves, a few in particular, who technically defended a child abuser (The Truther community took care of that abuser by the way, as we did with EDP445). This is even more evident back in 2017 where ExJWs were split on how to deal with CSA when they invaded JW churches, resulting in the community and other ExJWs to push them out.

That said, there are 2 factions of ExJWs (which I pointed out a lot)

The ones that speak of CSA and often times take things out of context, never seeking a middle ground for discussion or conversation; most times attack JWs on the daily for CSA even those who have no part in the abuse.

Then you have the ones that speak of CSA, do not take things out of context, and they actually do not bash the JW faith, but rather want to seek conversation on the issue (this is identical to the events of London 3 years ago). These are the same ExJWs who go after the ones in their own community for misinformation. They are also the same ones who disgruntled ExJWs wipe their information off media, and they are the ones deplatformed, i.e. the events of 2017 on Reddit people still claim the JWs did it because of CSA, but it was an ExJW/Bible Student who is friends with Cedars who he himself said that there are better solutions to stopping CSA; even then, on reddit, the misinformation was preached.

Likewise, if you remember your Glasglow topic, the one you deleted, to this day, there is only one faction taking that information and proclaiming it as truth. Likewise with what Witness claims of bonds; an ExJWs source who said otherwise.

That is why in the other thread, it was coined to not weaponize CSA in this regard.

14 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Denying that a problem exists is also a type of education that JW members receive from their religious leaders.

They're aware of CSA. Actually no, because Anna and several others pointed out that JWs do speak of CSA and have material that covers it, this material was also brought up in ARC, in one case, enabled an abused underaged teen to know what CSA is, the material in question was taken from one source.

14 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

And you are calling me here that I am against education?

Interesting remark even though I haven't alluded to it, but now that you mentioned it - Look at the thread, and take a good look at your response as to mine regarding solutions. The other thread, a JW told you the same thing, asking you what have you done thus far. You have a platform, you are all over the place, granted he pointed that out, so you can educate via conversation, but you brushed it for as activistism. Clearly you are not grounded at all concerning CSA in this forum alone, for it that was the case, the events of Fremont you would not equate it to everyone in that faith.

That being said, the Red Flags are presented to you, these occurrences are the same for both the United States, and the United Kingdom as with those under them, their allies, and their enemies, for CSA happens on both sides.

 

 

[Space Merchant]

22 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Ex JWs are 'cut off' from communication with JWs and JW children. 

Not all child abusers are in the faith in question. Some ExJWs cannot detect child abusers at all, they do not know the Red Flags, hence the remark; haven't mentioned Excommunication. Not all ExJWs are cut-off, granted, not all of them fall into the category of apostasy, hence the remark I made to Srecko concerning 2017.

22 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

I know of two men, JWs, one is an Elder. I have reason to suspect them of being capable of CSA. You see I must chose my words carefully here.  I will of course be accused of just being anti-JW.  

Speak your peace, for you are former JW, an EXJW not and or cannot be counted as an Anti-JW (Irreligious). An Anti-JW is irreligious. They don't side with JWs or ExJWs let alone speak favorably of the Bible or God often times they pave themselves into the path of Atheistism, but harbor hatred, this is why I brought up before how both sides are often attack, even quoted them in the past. Clearly you do not hate the Bible or God. There is a distinction between the two, despite the fact people get them mixed up. In short, any irreligious mentality is for current and former members of JWs (any faith also, even towards a philosophy), and it stems into other faiths even.

It is already known of your history, you were the among some to bring up an instance of potential CSA a while back, I was the one who responded to you, I believe Anna did the same as your tenure as JB. You even mentioned potential child on child abuse if I am not mistaken, although hard to determine because the word of mouth was insufficient, and no updates for specifics.

That being said, Srecko and I are the only ones talking, if the information is explicit, you can speak granted this is in regards to CSA. For we all talked about ARC before, even the sensitive stuff, most of us here mature.

22 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

The local congregation quite often has 'dressing up' parties and the Elder wears costumes that other JWs find shocking. That Elder made a comment to a Sister about her two daughters which the Sister was shocked to hear. She told my wife and I about it. This was before i left the 'Org'. 

Some people tend to speak or jokes that can shock people. Often times the abuser has a favorite child they seek to gain access to, they do not go for multiple victims at once nor do they make specific comments to the public concerning a potential victim (for comments are often directed to the victim personally), they attack one by one mainly in institutional settings which seems to be the common motive; for abusers who seek to harm someone has a focus on the specific victim. Granted this was a costume party, in the UK somewhere, where supposedly everyone in that local JW church dressed wildly, comments can be slipped, i.e. immature comments, vulgar, etc. That can shock anyone.

Also the name of your former JW church or the area itself, in the Truther community there may be something that can be looked up, granted UK Truthers are heavy in regards to CSA, especially now concerning everyone. They, even us in the US, utilize the claims registry; and for good reason.

Can you remind me why you left the JW church specifically?

22 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

The other man came to the local congregation and it seems that no one knows anything about his past. (If the Elders do know then they are keeping it secret) He has made himself 'very friendly' to one of my step daughters and her four young children, mainly the three girls. He gets the girls to sit on his knee. My wife tells me of these things as my step daughter is still a JW and I'm not allowed to visit her and her family. So I cannot converse with those children that maybe at risk. 

This was before you left the JW church or after in regards to the first part? Also can you be specific on when these events began?

Them doing nothing doesn't negate to them hiding something, as pointed out before, if the man was a potential abuser, he would have manipulate the people around him, even the JW elders, but with the later remark it shows he has no singular victim. Such ones become friendly because they need the community to see them in a positive light.

Although you cannot speak to her, seems like your wife is still technically a bridge, granted you are still getting information by means of her.

22 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

On one occasion, it seems, one of the girls was sitting on this man's lap and someone else entered the room, so the child got off his lap and went over to the other person. This man seemed to get very upset and moved seats to be closer to the girl.

So we can see that this is possibly the same girl. Also the other person, was the person your wife since she knew was the sole person who knew about the one girl sitting on this man's lap/knee previously?

Potential abusers already sit within close proximity to a child they are targeting, kind of strange for it to happen afterwards, if not the victim, the guardian themselves.

Same area or different concerning the seat change? For if he moved his seat, didn't the girl already leave the room with the other person, possibly your wife?

Perhaps you met, since the man was alone with the girl (although how is unknown granted the mentioned above), later on in that specific Church Congregation, this event took place. Moreover, an abuser would already be close to or sitting next to their victim and or their guardian; and or working with them, unless you can clarify that. Because they develop an attachment prior, mainly due to the first part of the comment with your step daughter.

Was it ever said on how he got the child to be with him alone in the first place? Abusers, whom already earned the community, will ask for the child mainly if they are with a guardian. Something or someone may have separated them.

22 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

The whole family have remarked on this but no one has told the Body of Elders about this man's behavior.... My step daughter still allows this man to spend time with her children. As an ex-JW I am an outcast from them.

So it was not just the wife who knew, more people involved.

But your wife is still filtering you information even after you left, and she had seen these events, even after you stopped being a JW, more could be done, but at the same time, there is always that thin line when it comes to these things.

Even due to you not being a JW anymore, you still have the ability to report. IICSA takes anything, even take over from there to make the determination, and if anything, they can utilize your wife to make the determination.

So have you made any reports thus far if this was something recent? If so already, what did you send?

That being said, knowing the location would be nice, gives the UK Truther some time to scope.