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10 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Also, prayer at the beginning and end of Bible study does not reach God, because He does not warn them (JW members) of the hidden pitfalls and hidden intentions of the one with whom they study the Bible. 

We can also turn this around to say, God does not warn the householder of hidden pitfalls and intentions of the one - (shoot up the ladder to the leaders) -  they are studying the Bible with.  

But really, God did warn us through His Word, we just didn't take note at the right time.  (Jer 14:14; Ezek 13:1-7;  Matt 7:15-18; 24:24,25; 1 John 4:1; 1 Tim 4:1,2)

"You must understand this: In the last days there will be violent periods of time. 2 People will be selfish and love money. They will brag, be arrogant, and use abusive language. They will curse their parents, show no gratitude, have no respect for what is holy, 3 and lack normal affection for their families. They will refuse to make peace with anyone. They will be slanderous, lack self-control, be brutal, and have no love for what is good. 4 They will be traitors. They will be reckless and conceited. They will love pleasure rather than God. 5 They will appear to have a godly life, but they will not let its power change them. Stay away from such people.

6 Some of these men go into homes and mislead weak-minded women who are burdened with sins and led by all kinds of desires. 7 These women are always studying but are never able to recognize the truth.

8 As Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men oppose the truth. Their minds are corrupt, and the faith they teach is counterfeit. 9 Certainly, they won’t get very far. Like the stupidity of Jannes and Jambres, their stupidity will be plain to everyone."   2 Tim 3:1-8

 

So, of course, organized religion would attract not only the naïve, but the traitors; who carry out the desires of deceitful wicked rulers - and the desires of their own wicked heart.  

 

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Laws and regulations about issue is available to see and you said well. Of course, when we speak about JW elders then it is notable to understand how we have to put clear picture on question; Do they, JW elders, clergy or not? If they are clergy then they have "right" to call themselves on Catholic Clergy privilege and ask for same "rights" as they do.  Is an elder in the JW congregation the same as a priest in the Catholic Church? Do they have the same role and obligations and status

If I'm not mistaken, there is an even more significant difference between them. A Catholic priest does not form a Judicial Committee of 3 priests, nor does he make a decision on transgression and bring punishment, but as a kind of advocate “liberates / forgives” sins in the name of God, expecting the sinner to be a penitent and no longer commit sin. Is such practice, from both side, good or bad?  A sinner can be “thankful” if word of his behaviour does not spread further. But this is a crim

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For the first time, today i saw a stand at an outdoor market, for 'Urban Bulldogs Against Kids Abuse'.  This is a biker organisation. Now this is here in sleepy Devon England. 

As much as I want to see children protected, this biker organisaton sets alarms ringing for me. 

 

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18 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

For the first time, today i saw a stand at an outdoor market, for 'Urban Bulldogs Against Kids Abuse'.  This is a biker organisation. Now this is here in sleepy Devon England. 

As much as I want to see children protected, this biker organisaton sets alarms ringing for me. 

 

Yes there are many groups who combat CSA, you stumbled upon the semi non-violent one.

This is what I have been referring to for years. There was a boom in groups and factions from 2015 onward (present day) even that concerning vigilantism, even more because of the internet. Reasons being that child abuse as well as abuse towards Women will spawn these groups, more so, some of them bring their own version of justice, which at times, can be violent, hence why regarding CSA there are factions who want activism and or action taking to be aggressive whereas as some do not, the aggressive types then to be the ones who commit to violence, then you have the extreme, going on a warpath.

Keeping it PG, it does get violent with some for I will not speak of the actions of a few, who do have blood on their hands from legitimate abusers and those unproved to have abused a child, like the PES members.

There were people who recorded these executions, even putting it on YouTube granted they see this as justice against pedophiles, but not much is said for alleged ones, whereas there was no proof of them abusing children and they lost their lives anyway.

On 3/19/2018 at 3:31 AM, Space Merchant said:

a warpath without having better solutions and ways of going about the issue of child abuse - going as far as to twist fact to tickle the ears of the masses to join the same foolish cause when others are doing it the right and correct way in gunning for the problem at hand and not a specific group of persons.

On 3/2/2019 at 5:24 PM, Space Merchant said:

Another problem is that such sparks vigilantism whereas at some cases, the one who seeks the abuser, or the abuser, or victim succumb to further harm and or problems.

 

 

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12 hours ago, Pudgy said:

Why, specifically?

Would you instead of the Urban Bulldogs, prefer Metropolitan Poodles?

 

Some people get fancy with names, however, the name may not be serious for some, but the actions for the extreme types is insane, some actions I don't think anyone on this forum can stomach.

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You misinterpreted what I said obviously as you did last time concerning CSA. You were asked for Red Flags, to name one or a few dominant ones concerning CSA, I asked you for what abusers are known to do when it comes to access to children.

You said the following

On 9/16/2021 at 2:26 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

Do you know how, in which way and after how much time "random folks" become JW members?

And I told you this, as this is concerning how all abusers who wish to do harm operate.

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The statement is true when it comes to detection, that is, if you know the red flags. Now, concerning you Srecko, as I told you in the CSA thread concerning solutions, if you do not know any of these red flags, not even the minor ones to detect an abuser, they can miniplate you and you wouldn't even know it.

As told to you last year on the CSA thread I asked JWI to move for me - Someone who wants to commit abuse because of their pedophilia disorder, not being able to control it or seek help, they will target institutions and or businesses. In this case, JW churches, for religious institutions and educational ones are targets because of the abuser not being able to gain access to neighborhood children or the like, and or if they do not have any children themselves to abuse.

They do not immediately go to a JW church, they would look into them first, and know how they operate, likewise pick the best state before confronting them. The avg. JW would not know this person's intent, or any Red Flags.

From there, they begin their manipulation, earn trust of everyone, even the children and people around them, even to an extent, neighboring people around the JW church who are of other faiths and or non religious, for they are the blow back in case of a problem.

People like this you may not necessarily know very well resulting in you not bothering to discern the person, i.e. name/face alone (a neighbor, a coach, a parent of another child you know). As mentioned, the abuser can be a relative, and they counsel their intent from family members. In order to gain access to your child, they establish a rapport with the parent and the people, even the community, and eventually the child (if in household they make sure to get the child alone), but in some cases, they are less careful about hiding their intentions, therefore, knowing to detect as well as being cautious is critical, mainly when an abuser can display specific behaviors and characteristics while holding back the impulse of their disorder.  


Those manipulated by such ones end up trusting them without a thought, and the people caught by this trust them with a child, as they pretend to enjoy your company and the child's. One may see some of these signs and pass them off as normal behavior – and in some cases, they may be. When abuse occurs with people we know, the perpetrator is not necessarily seeking out opportunities to prey on children, but finds him/herself with an opportunity to take advantage of access, trust, and familiarity with a parent and/or child, thus becoming an opportunist.

 

These people, Red Flag(s) of a potential abuser, this goes for child on child abuse too.

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  • Volunteers or works with children, some do not have children of their own, or child friendly toys – video games, tree house, train sets/doll collections etc.

 

  • Spends more time with children than adults or peers – may even come off as immature and childish themselves.

 

  • Has a “favorite” child they seem to spend time with (which may vary from year to year)

 

  • Gives gifts or special privileges for no apparent reason.

 

  • Overly affectionate/playful with children – hugging, tickling, wrestling, holding or having a child sit on their lap.

 

  • Disregards “no” “stop” or other efforts from a child to avoid physical contact.

 

  • Long stares or periods of watching a child. In some instances, even take pictures of the child, be it partially clothed and or nude; keep and or share child pornography (pornography being involved results even in masturbation to said material).

 

  • Comments or conversation about a child’s appearance – which may even take a turn for the inappropriate (even to an extent, none kid friendly words, expressions, and phrases)

 

  • May exhibit a sense that they feel they have special rights/privileges above others.

 

  • Eagerness to learn details of your personal (possibly romantic) life and your child and their interests.

 

  • Flattery of you, your child, their talents and likewise, they may boast about their own successes/accomplishments, charitable work, generosity etc.

 

  • If you are a single parent (especially a mother) – this person may be a new or potential romantic interest that comes off as “too good to be true” or anyone that seems interested in filling in as a fatherly role for your child.

 

  • Seems to like the very same things that your child is interested in.

 

  • Tries to establish a sense of camaraderie with your child and draw your child away from you “I know how parents are” “you’re old enough to go alone”.

 

  • Attempts to make you doubt your protective instincts “, results in manipulation used on the child unto parents/guardians and or anyone who knows the child/relatives

 

  • Offers to “help out” with your child , to look over and or be an acquaintance that offers to look after the child (again, manipulation to deter you or a guardian away, less supervision)

 

  • If your child is particularly talented (musically, artistically, athletically, or is involved in pageants etc) and someone approaches you with opportunities that seem like they would benefit your child – private lessons/photography shoots/meeting scouts etc. An IRL case mentioned to you a long time ago of a similar event concerning a High School Girl.

 

  • Someone that suggests a child is “troubled” or prone to lying (to discredit future claims of abuse by the child.)

Know what some of the basic detectable Red Flags are, for they've been addressed to you, again.

As for your other remarks

On 9/18/2021 at 11:07 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

From your explanation I would conclude that then the problem is in those JWs who conduct a Bible study with an “interested pedophile,” and later in JW elders who approve of such a candidate to be baptized as a JW.

They would not know of the pedophile at first because majority of people cannot detect red flags, you didn't know what they were yourself, so the unfortunate JWs, and you are in effect, can be manipulated.

On 9/18/2021 at 11:07 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

It follows from all this that, the JW belief as"the angels guide and supervise their preaching" and thus the biblical teaching on the individual level of the future candidate, is not useful. Or you have such impression how angels are not helpful in JW preaching service?

People can preach the gospel, however, not everyone can detect the intentions of some, even among Christians. In the early church, all Christians prayed for the spirit, and had guidance from that of God's spirit Sons, even with that, they didn't figure out a certain few who were later found out among the Christian faith, like that of Hymenaeus, Alexander, or maybe Diotrephes. Some Christians didn't know what they were doing or professing, others, like Paul knew via discernment and much later on took action. (1 Timothy 1:19, 20; 3 John 9, 10). This can also be compared to God watching over the Israelites in the wilderness, granted some Israelites fell to bad influence and had ill action, only for some to call them out on it later on.

Likewise with the situation, which is parallel to the above highlighted, that is compared to day revolving around child abuse, no one is aware of the intent of the abuser, however, some can detect and go about action directly or indirectly, which is often most the case.

On 9/18/2021 at 11:07 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

Also, prayer at the beginning and end of Bible study does not reach God, because He does not warn them (JW members) of the hidden pitfalls and hidden intentions of the one with whom they study the Bible. 

God hears certain prayers, yes. But again, there is no way for a random JW to detect intent, you were not aware of the red flags or intent either, so if the position was swapped, you would not know yourself. Abusers keep their intent hidden at first because the barrier they want to establish is trust. The group they target they research them prior to interaction.

On 9/18/2021 at 11:07 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

JW members believe that God and the Holy Spirit lead/guide this “imperfect” Organization that claims to be the only true Christian congregation.

As with all Christians who believe God guides the imperfect ones. All men are sinners, born sinners according to Scripture.

On 9/18/2021 at 11:07 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

Observers would rightly expect the CSA plague not to be in such proportions at the JW Church.

This was the point of Bystander Syndrome (Effect). They wouldn't know. Not even ExJWs know they themselves can detect abusers. Not only it is referring to inaction, but at times being unaware of a potential danger. More so, the abuser at this point is in the stage of gaining/establishing trust. They do not really take action until much later on where the basic red flags listed above takes place.

On 9/18/2021 at 11:07 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

Observers would rightly expect, too, that JW members and especially leaders/elders in JW assemblies be prepared for all, "be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one".

No one can clean out CSA 100%, they can only prevent, not even JWs. Abusers can be callous and cunning at times to exploit the situation even further, so things often times need to be shifted. This is why education and solutions are key to further reduce child victims, you should know this, you and Witness adhered to CSA prevention before, so curious as to why that was not mentioned.

On 9/18/2021 at 11:07 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

But, sadly, JW members and elders failed.

Not all of them. The failure of Fremont JWs does not mirror the success of Swahili JWs. There are some people in every institution who are educated on CSA, how to detect an abuser and signs of someone who was abused. Not too long ago the teenager even asked you questions about CSA, you called it activism when the context of his message was not activism. Elsewhere, we have the British in Hyde, they asked for conversation about a problem, and there are even groups (the non violent ones) who are jumping into the issue of CSA, and as for me, you already know my history although you pretend to not remember I told you the same thing many times.

As mentioned, there are the aware ones and the unaware. If we can use you as an example, it can be evident to the evaded question of where you are.

On 9/18/2021 at 11:07 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

They failed the exam/the test.

Child abuse, be it sex or mental, has nothing to do with a test, as is those with the ability to detect it or not, for they are just as much victim too. Never call CSA as such again, it is a disrespect.

That being said, learn what Red Flags are and how to combat abuse. The link for the thread JWI setup for me, you can address to that to, as is your remarks which can be found there too.

 

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41 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

you already know my history although you pretend to not remember I told you the same thing many times.

Sometimes my memory is short. I am not pretending. You speak more than it is necessary, when try to expose other people, supposed/alleged motives and position. :) 

46 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

Child abuse, be it sex or mental, has nothing to do with a test, as is those with the ability to detect it or not, for they are just as much victim too. Never call CSA as such again, it is a disrespect.

CSA is not "test" for victims, but it is "test" for GB and JW elders who put themselves in position to judge people (perpetrators and victims) about it. Who put themselves in position to bring Policy that is obligated for members to respect and obey inside WTJWorg. When JW elders convince a victim that they cannot and must not trust him/her because there are no two witnesses to support his/her claim, then it is disrespect to the victim. I think your claim is misdirected. Disrespect, in this example, cannot be directed at the type of crime, but at the people who experienced that crime on their own skin. Not trusting and not helping a victim who has gone through “hell”, that is disrespect/disrespectful.

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1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Sometimes my memory is short. I am not pretending. You speak more than it is necessary, when try to expose other people, supposed/alleged motives and position. :)

I never exposed you, merely pointed out you were told on how to deal with the issue via solutions, even my stance, which I made clear to you, but you continuously go around it even though it relates to CSA prevention. Even with how abusers operate is mentioned, you attest to that same motive. In some of your remarks you pretend you do not see where I stand even to this day.

You made a comment here regarding my stance and I responded, as seen below

 

You were even told the below:

On 11/6/2018 at 7:29 AM, Space Merchant said:

Another thing I stated the following, directly to you: Well the thing is Srecko, I am not talking about JWs, I am talking to you, directly,

I said this because if you are unaware of such services actually exist, you show yourself not to be someone who is doing things the better way of putting into application, teaching our young ones about the problem so they themselves can teach others to lessen cases of abuse, be it sexual or violence and or other.

Never once from there onward to today you did any grounded discussion about abuse, and when asked, you stated activism, when at the same time you admit being on other platforms. CSA prevention encourages discussion to look into solutions, they didn't ask you to strike out.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

CSA is not "test" for victims, but it is "test" for GB and JW elders who put themselves in position to judge people (perpetrators and victims) about it. Who put themselves in position to bring Policy that is obligated for members to respect and obey inside WTJWorg. 

Victim or those manipulated as victims so the abuser can reach children is not a test, nor was it to begin with. You picked poor choice of words to those who dwell on this.

You said recently that they were under some test, no need to re-route your words now.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

When JW elders convince a victim that they cannot and must not trust him/her because there are no two witnesses to support his/her claim, then it is disrespect to the victim.

The latter of the ruling was also addressed before. After research one can learn what that actually is and it's application, as is with the information of an ExJW who spoke of this until he got shut down himself, hence my quotations to the Atheist.

I can see now you are attempting to spin the test remark due to blow back. Not wise.

Now, that is a contradiction because the JWs aware of CSA do otherwise, not all of them assume something that horrid would take place in their community, some are aware. Even the JWs on this forum are well aware of CSA and they are capable of discussion in the matter, being grounded. Fremont was unprepared but their counterpart were, this can be said in the UK whereas CSA is problematic. So how can you say this when one, even some, are able to handle CSA, moreover, evidence, likewise in the justice system, is also counted as a witness too if an aftermath does occur (injury, bodily fluids, blood and or fluid on clothing/furniture, etc.). The justice system use the similar ruling, so the remark you made is also null.

Regarding The Justice System - 

    Hello guest!

This is why ARC, knowing what it entails, told the JWs to better clarify what that means vs those who apply it incorrectly and or don't know what that is.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I think your claim is misdirected.

Misdirect?

Here you go: JW members believe that God and the Holy Spirit lead/guide this “imperfect” Organization that claims to be the only true Christian congregation. Observers would rightly expect the CSA plague not to be in such proportions at the JW Church. Observers would rightly expect, too, that JW members and especially leaders/elders in JW assemblies be prepared for all, "be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one". But, sadly, JW members and elders failed. They failed the exam/the test.

Child Abuse is not a test, be it the victim, those manipulated, or those who got caught in child abuse themselves due to them not being able to properly handle such in some instances, even if some fail, and thus suffer from an aftermath.

Don't refer to such things as a test, for, as stated, it is a disrespect, mainly due to the fact this is a brazen sin that effects everyone and every group. Abusers, being traitors or deceptive, know what there doing making people fall to this form of manipulation, which in turn, brings forth the Red Flags, from the basic to the serious.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

in this example, cannot be directed at the type of crime, but at the people who experienced that crime on their own skin.

How does this constitute to a test as you stated should those involve fail? The person ends up becoming a victim. Granted we are speaking of child abuse, should another child abuse a child younger than them, and failure is involved, that in of itself is a crime of which people deal with the aftermath, this was not a test granted the victim end up as prey to an abuser, be it adult or child. As of recent news, the events with the FBI wasn't a test either due to failure.

UK is a bit different in this regard, I addressed this to JB already, but the problem is the gangs, which gives abusers outside of it a chance to take action in person or online.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Not trusting and not helping a victim who has gone through “hell”, that is disrespect/disrespectful.

Hence manipulation and bystander syndrome which begets being unprepared, therefore, people go through "Hell" as do those being unaware go through "Hell" even because they themselves fell victim in a sense.

NOTE: Abusers can manipulate the people around the child, you were told this in this thread several times.

As already mention, when an abuser enters a community successfully, the basic red flags are committed. Those in the community, not knowing the red flags are slowly manipulated and the abuser takes action from there. There is a reason as to why they take time to commit their attacks. People aware of Red Flags have an ample amount of time to detect and discern the situation.

That being said, the very reason I asked you if you knew the dominant Red Flags regarding child abuse, that can range from violence, sex, mental, even pornography. You must be aware of these things to better help a potential victim, granted even outside of religion, it is difficult because of how abusers operate in a neighborhood instance of an institutional community, mainly those who hold back action, moreover.

As I said before, to help a child, use your platform. You're all over the place yet not once, going to what the JW told you, attested to the notation of discussing CSA in said manner. If others can do this, I don't see why you withhold yourself since you speak of CSA a lot yourself.

As a side note, the irony in this is Witness used the same thing once by sourcing CSA prevention as with traitors, which you agreed with, yet when it was professed with prior, you didn't take it lightly. You seem to know what is correct, but simply choose when you feel like it. That is just based off of discernment.

In regards to JWs, CSA has been reduced temporarily for abusers cannot get to their churches or to them directly as they did pre-Endemic.

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16 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Not even ExJWs know they themselves can detect abusers.

Ex JWs are 'cut off' from communication with JWs and JW children.  

I know of two men, JWs, one is an Elder. I have reason to suspect them of being capable of CSA. You see I must chose my words carefully here.  I will of course be accused of just being anti-JW.  

The local congregation quite often has 'dressing up' parties and the Elder wears costumes that other JWs find shocking. That Elder made a comment to a Sister about her two daughters which the Sister was shocked to hear. She told my wife and I about it. This was before i left the 'Org'.   

The other man came to the local congregation and it seems that no one knows anything about his past. (If the Elders do know then they are keeping it secret) He has made himself 'very friendly' to one of my step daughters and her four young children, mainly the three girls. He gets the girls to sit on his knee.  My wife tells me of these things as my step daughter is still a JW and I'm not allowed to visit her and her family. So I cannot converse with those children that maybe at risk.  On one occasion, it seems, one of the girls was sitting on this man's lap and someone else entered the room, so the child got off his lap and went over to the other person. This man seemed to get very upset and moved seats to be closer to the girl. The whole family have remarked on this but no one has told the Body of Elders about this man's behavior.... My step daughter still allows this man to spend time with her children. As an ex-JW I am an outcast from them. If I make any accusations I will not be listened to or I will be accused of hating JWs. 

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9 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Now, that is a contradiction because the JWs aware of CSA do otherwise, not all of them assume something that horrid would take place in their community, some are aware. Even the JWs on this forum are well aware of CSA and they are capable of discussion in the matter, being grounded.

WTJWorg and its representatives all these years have not written or said that the JW church has a problem with the CSA. They claim that these are false accusations and slanders by the "hostile world" and former members. Denying that a problem exists is also a type of education that JW members receive from their religious leaders. And you are calling me here that I am against education?

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14 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

WTJWorg and its representatives all these years have not written or said that the JW church has a problem with the CSA.

In several cases of CSA there has been some information. This is why some JWs are equipped to handle CSA and some are not. Again, Swahili JWs, the British/Arab JW, even the one here who told you about combating CSA, and I believe Anna had mentioned to you time and time again as with others. More so information had been professed.

 

14 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

They claim that these are false accusations and slanders by the "hostile world" and former members.

Not all of them, and often times, some of what they said has been taken out of context. Reasons why the remark in ARC was stated for them to clarify for it is evident that some of their members do not know how to deal with the issue.

ExJWs sometimes take the words of JWs out of context, but at the same time, there are ExJWs who have to explain to those in their community about secular law and CSA, hence why there is a division between them, this excludes the EXJWs who they themselves, a few in particular, who technically defended a child abuser (The Truther community took care of that abuser by the way, as we did with EDP445). This is even more evident back in 2017 where ExJWs were split on how to deal with CSA when they invaded JW churches, resulting in the community and other ExJWs to push them out.

That said, there are 2 factions of ExJWs (which I pointed out a lot)

The ones that speak of CSA and often times take things out of context, never seeking a middle ground for discussion or conversation; most times attack JWs on the daily for CSA even those who have no part in the abuse.

Then you have the ones that speak of CSA, do not take things out of context, and they actually do not bash the JW faith, but rather want to seek conversation on the issue (this is identical to the events of London 3 years ago). These are the same ExJWs who go after the ones in their own community for misinformation. They are also the same ones who disgruntled ExJWs wipe their information off media, and they are the ones deplatformed, i.e. the events of 2017 on Reddit people still claim the JWs did it because of CSA, but it was an ExJW/Bible Student who is friends with Cedars who he himself said that there are better solutions to stopping CSA; even then, on reddit, the misinformation was preached.

Likewise, if you remember your Glasglow topic, the one you deleted, to this day, there is only one faction taking that information and proclaiming it as truth. Likewise with what Witness claims of bonds; an ExJWs source who said otherwise.

That is why in the other thread, it was coined to not weaponize CSA in this regard.

14 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Denying that a problem exists is also a type of education that JW members receive from their religious leaders.

They're aware of CSA. Actually no, because Anna and several others pointed out that JWs do speak of CSA and have material that covers it, this material was also brought up in ARC, in one case, enabled an abused underaged teen to know what CSA is, the material in question was taken from one source.

14 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

And you are calling me here that I am against education?

Interesting remark even though I haven't alluded to it, but now that you mentioned it - Look at the thread, and take a good look at your response as to mine regarding solutions. The other thread, a JW told you the same thing, asking you what have you done thus far. You have a platform, you are all over the place, granted he pointed that out, so you can educate via conversation, but you brushed it for as activistism. Clearly you are not grounded at all concerning CSA in this forum alone, for it that was the case, the events of Fremont you would not equate it to everyone in that faith.

That being said, the Red Flags are presented to you, these occurrences are the same for both the United States, and the United Kingdom as with those under them, their allies, and their enemies, for CSA happens on both sides.

 

 

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22 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Ex JWs are 'cut off' from communication with JWs and JW children. 

Not all child abusers are in the faith in question. Some ExJWs cannot detect child abusers at all, they do not know the Red Flags, hence the remark; haven't mentioned Excommunication. Not all ExJWs are cut-off, granted, not all of them fall into the category of apostasy, hence the remark I made to Srecko concerning 2017.

22 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

I know of two men, JWs, one is an Elder. I have reason to suspect them of being capable of CSA. You see I must chose my words carefully here.  I will of course be accused of just being anti-JW.  

Speak your peace, for you are former JW, an EXJW not and or cannot be counted as an Anti-JW (Irreligious). An Anti-JW is irreligious. They don't side with JWs or ExJWs let alone speak favorably of the Bible or God often times they pave themselves into the path of Atheistism, but harbor hatred, this is why I brought up before how both sides are often attack, even quoted them in the past. Clearly you do not hate the Bible or God. There is a distinction between the two, despite the fact people get them mixed up. In short, any irreligious mentality is for current and former members of JWs (any faith also, even towards a philosophy), and it stems into other faiths even.

It is already known of your history, you were the among some to bring up an instance of potential CSA a while back, I was the one who responded to you, I believe Anna did the same as your tenure as JB. You even mentioned potential child on child abuse if I am not mistaken, although hard to determine because the word of mouth was insufficient, and no updates for specifics.

That being said, Srecko and I are the only ones talking, if the information is explicit, you can speak granted this is in regards to CSA. For we all talked about ARC before, even the sensitive stuff, most of us here mature.

22 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

The local congregation quite often has 'dressing up' parties and the Elder wears costumes that other JWs find shocking. That Elder made a comment to a Sister about her two daughters which the Sister was shocked to hear. She told my wife and I about it. This was before i left the 'Org'. 

Some people tend to speak or jokes that can shock people. Often times the abuser has a favorite child they seek to gain access to, they do not go for multiple victims at once nor do they make specific comments to the public concerning a potential victim (for comments are often directed to the victim personally), they attack one by one mainly in institutional settings which seems to be the common motive; for abusers who seek to harm someone has a focus on the specific victim. Granted this was a costume party, in the UK somewhere, where supposedly everyone in that local JW church dressed wildly, comments can be slipped, i.e. immature comments, vulgar, etc. That can shock anyone.

Also the name of your former JW church or the area itself, in the Truther community there may be something that can be looked up, granted UK Truthers are heavy in regards to CSA, especially now concerning everyone. They, even us in the US, utilize the claims registry; and for good reason.

Can you remind me why you left the JW church specifically?

22 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

The other man came to the local congregation and it seems that no one knows anything about his past. (If the Elders do know then they are keeping it secret) He has made himself 'very friendly' to one of my step daughters and her four young children, mainly the three girls. He gets the girls to sit on his knee. My wife tells me of these things as my step daughter is still a JW and I'm not allowed to visit her and her family. So I cannot converse with those children that maybe at risk. 

This was before you left the JW church or after in regards to the first part? Also can you be specific on when these events began?

Them doing nothing doesn't negate to them hiding something, as pointed out before, if the man was a potential abuser, he would have manipulate the people around him, even the JW elders, but with the later remark it shows he has no singular victim. Such ones become friendly because they need the community to see them in a positive light.

Although you cannot speak to her, seems like your wife is still technically a bridge, granted you are still getting information by means of her.

22 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

On one occasion, it seems, one of the girls was sitting on this man's lap and someone else entered the room, so the child got off his lap and went over to the other person. This man seemed to get very upset and moved seats to be closer to the girl.

So we can see that this is possibly the same girl. Also the other person, was the person your wife since she knew was the sole person who knew about the one girl sitting on this man's lap/knee previously?

Potential abusers already sit within close proximity to a child they are targeting, kind of strange for it to happen afterwards, if not the victim, the guardian themselves.

Same area or different concerning the seat change? For if he moved his seat, didn't the girl already leave the room with the other person, possibly your wife?

Perhaps you met, since the man was alone with the girl (although how is unknown granted the mentioned above), later on in that specific Church Congregation, this event took place. Moreover, an abuser would already be close to or sitting next to their victim and or their guardian; and or working with them, unless you can clarify that. Because they develop an attachment prior, mainly due to the first part of the comment with your step daughter.

Was it ever said on how he got the child to be with him alone in the first place? Abusers, whom already earned the community, will ask for the child mainly if they are with a guardian. Something or someone may have separated them.

22 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

The whole family have remarked on this but no one has told the Body of Elders about this man's behavior.... My step daughter still allows this man to spend time with her children. As an ex-JW I am an outcast from them.

So it was not just the wife who knew, more people involved.

But your wife is still filtering you information even after you left, and she had seen these events, even after you stopped being a JW, more could be done, but at the same time, there is always that thin line when it comes to these things.

Even due to you not being a JW anymore, you still have the ability to report. IICSA takes anything, even take over from there to make the determination, and if anything, they can utilize your wife to make the determination.

So have you made any reports thus far if this was something recent? If so already, what did you send?

That being said, knowing the location would be nice, gives the UK Truther some time to scope.

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      Jehovah’s Witnesses World Headquarters offered the Times-Standard the following comment earlier this year:
      “Jehovah’s Witnesses abhor child abuse and view it as a crime. (Romans 12:9)” the document states. “We recognize that the authorities are responsible for addressing such crimes. (Romans 13:1-4) The elders do not shield any perpetrator of child abuse from the authorities.”
      No criminal action has been taken in either Maple or Sister Star’s cases due to existing statute-of-limitations laws. In 2016, Gov. Jerry Brown signed into law a bill dismissing the statute of limitations for crimes of rape, sexual assault and other sexual offenses committed in 2017 and onward.

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    • By JOHN BUTLER
      I thought I'd just share this. Please read the whole article before judging it. 
      'Punished' for being sexually abused in York County: Jehovah's Witnesses' culture of cover-up
      THE CHURCH ISOLATES ITS MEMBERS, SHAMES AND SHUNS VICTIMS WHO COME FORTH AND INSTRUCTS ELDERS TO KEEP REPORTS SECRET. AND CHILDREN ARE BEING ABUSED.
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    • By Jack Ryan
      The Jehovah's Witness Church in Australia failed to protect children in its care from sexual predators, a report has found.
      The Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse delivered its report into the organisation on Monday.
      It stated that: "Children are not adequately protected from the risk of child sexual abuse in the Jehovah's Witness organisation and [the commission] does not believe the organisation responds adequately to allegations of child sexual abuse."
      Survivors of sexual abuse within the church and senior church members appeared before a public hearing last year.
      The inquiry heard the church received allegations ofHello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. over a 60-year period but did not report a single claim to police.
      In its report on the inquiry, the royal commission found that the organisation's general practice of "not reporting serious instances of child sexual abuse to police or authorities, demonstrated a serious failure on its part to provide for the safety and protection of children."
      The royal commission determined that the church's response to allegations of child sexual abuse were outdated, including a rule that there must be two witnesses to an incident, which "showed a serious lack of understanding of the nature of child sexual abuse".
      "It noted the rule, which the Jehovah's Witness organisation relies on, and applies inflexibly even in the context of child sexual abuse, was devised more than 2000 years ago," the report found.

      Royal commission chairman Justice Peter McClellan. Photo: Jeremy Piper
      The Jehovah's Witnesses approach to handling claims internally was not appropriate for children or survivors of sexual abuse, the report found.
      "Survivors are offered little or no choice in how their complaint is addressed, sanctions are weak with little regard to the risk of the perpetrator re-offending."
      The head of the Jehovah's Witness community's service desk, Rodney Spinks, is considering the report and is expected respond on Monday afternoon.
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    • By Jack Ryan
      An article in the print edition of Wales On Sunday, an English-language Welsh newspaper, and 'sister' newspaper to The Western Mail (Mon to Sat). Wales on Sunday has a circulation of just under 10,000-copies each Sunday.
      Wales on Sunday (UK), Sunday, October 21, 2018 - page 16
      It has been a busy week for the courts in Wales with several high-profile cases being dealt with.
      Here are some of the criminals jailed this week.
      Roy Collins
      Collins was given a 23-year extended sentence after being convicted of the systematic sexual abuse of two young girls in the 1980s and 1990s.
      The Jehovah's Witness was branded as "devious, righteous and arrogant" by a judge at Swansea Crown Court.
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    • By Jack Ryan
      Item about child sexual abuse within community of Jehovah's Witnesses, RTL Nieuws (Netherlands), October 6th, 2018 English subtitles included
       
    • By JOHN BUTLER
      Last September (2017),  there was internet info regarding a $66 million dollar lawsuit being filed against Jehovah's Witnesses in Canada, for Child Abuse / Pedophilia.
      I haven't been able to find out any more information this year and would be very pleased if someone could update me on outcome or ongoing situation.

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    • By Shiwiii
      Meanwhile in Montana:
       
      HELENA, Mont. (AP) — A Montana jury has ruled that the Jehovah’s Witnesses organization must pay $34 million to a woman who says the church covered up her sexual abuse as a child at the hands of a congregation member.
      Neil Smith, an attorney representing the 32-year-old woman, says the jury’s verdict Wednesday in the lawsuit sends a message to the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ New York headquarters to stop prioritizing church secrecy over children’s safety.
      Jehovah’s Witness officials did not immediately respond to a call or email for comment. The monetary award must be reviewed by the trial judge.
      The jury dismissed claims by a second woman who alleged abuse by the same man in Thompson Falls in the 1990s.
      The jury concluded church elders did not receive notice of the second woman’s abuse and therefore did not have a duty to tell authorities.
       
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      When will this one make the jw news feed? 
    • By Jack Ryan
      Religious sect Jehovah’s Witnesses has refused to hand over documents to the public prosecutor in which an ex-member admits the abuse of a child, also member of the sect at the time, RTL Nieuws reports. Samet G, now 31, was a minor himself when the abuse of his 4 year-old niece started. The abuse continued until she was 14 and was reported to the police in 2015 when the girl and her mother left the Christian sect. A court in Breda last week sentenced G to a 9 months suspended sentence and a fine for the abuse but did not have access to the confession, which dates from 2011. G is appealing against his conviction.
      JehovahÂ’s Witnesses have their own internal committees which sit in judgement in cases of sexual abuse and do not involve the police. A record of these proceedings is made and kept. According to RTL, the public prosecutorÂ’s request for a copy of the confession was refused on the grounds that it would compromise the manÂ’s privacy and that, by law, clergymen, or in this case the elders, cannot be forced to reveal what has been told to them in confidence. Although there is doubt among lawyers that the JehovahÂ’s Witnesses elders can claim this right, the public prosecutor accepted the refusal, RTL writes.
      The sect also refuses to cooperate in an independent inquiry and, according to minister for legal protection Sander Dekker, it cannot be forced to do so. Abuse survivors According to Reclaimed Voices, an organisation that helps ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses members who were victims of sexual abuse, the minister needs to do much more. ‘If we can’t get the files via the courts we need politicians to act. Someone must force the Jehovah’s Witnesses to hand them over,’ the organisation’s spokesman Frank Huiting told RTL. CDA MP Madeleine van Toorenburg and other MPs have asked the minister to investigate if Jehovah’s Witness have the right to refuse access to documents that might shed light on a criminal case and slated the sect’s ‘culture of silence and cover-ups,’ RTL writes. Jehovah’s Witnesses are being widely accused of silencing victims of sexual abuse within the sect. The Guardian newspaper recently uncovered a case involving at least 100 victims who claim to have been abused.

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    • By Jack Ryan
      The Flemish Parliament has opened an inquiry into the child abuse policies and cover ups of Jehovah's Witnesses. The investigation is collecting complaints, not to make their stories public but to start an official investigation into the child abuse policies of Jehovah's Witness groups.

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    • By JW Insider
      Under another topic which was unrelated to child abuse issues, the claim was put forward (again) that JWs may have only a tenth of the problem that others have with child abuse. As TTH put it recently:
      TTH has stated this multiple times and in various ways now, also stating that JWs have found "a solution that cuts occurrences by 90%." TTH didn't start this idea, it was in another persons post, which may have based it on some very questionable numbers that came out of the Australian Royal Commission.
      I don't know if anyone can give an accurate accounting statistically, but if we are going to make such statements it's a good idea to start somewhere to see why they are being used. I will first present some numbers which appear to contradict the claim, and anyone who has anything different should, of course, join in if they think it's important to figure it out more accurately.
      In past months, I reported on the outrageous numbers that have been reported against the Catholic Church institutions, including their schools, where 7% of all Catholic priests have been accused of child abuse. Of course this represents an average in various diocese and institutions, where it might run as low as 0% in some, and as high as 25% in others. Even a high percentage of Catholic nuns in one institution had been accused of child sexual abuse. The nuns had a relatively small percentage when compared to another institution where the rate of accused priests and "Brothers" reached nearly 40%. It was a Catholic institution that was set up to care for children with mental disabilities. [The term "Brothers" in this context is a title which doesn't have the generic meaning it has among JWs.]  The BBC interviewed several people who seriously stated that the Catholic Church should be charged with running a "criminal" organization.
      I think it is probably obvious to all of us that such levels of child abuse among the highest levels of church institutional leaders cannot be compared with the Witnesses, where the problem is not nearly so bad. There are also issues of comparing Catholic leaders such as bishops, priests and deacons and the counting of all problems among the entire congregations of JWs, not just elders and ministerial servants ("deacons"). But this doesn't mean the problem is not bad.
      I'll start throwing out some quotes I've read about what the ARC reported about JWs, the Uniting Church, and the Catholic Church. [The Uniting Church is a kind of conglomerate of Presbyterian/Methodist/Congregationalist churches in Australia.]
      You may need a subscription to this Australian paper "The Australian" or an account with a university or newspapers.com to see the entire content of the article that shows up in Google as follows for MEDIA WATCH DOG Friday March 17, 2017 :
       
        ----quotation-------
      Here’s some news which the ABC and Fairfax Media do not regard as fit-to-print. Over the past four decades, a child in Australia was much more likely to suffer sexual abuse at a school or institution run by the Uniting Church than at a school or institution run by the Catholic Church.
      The ABC and Fairfax Media – along with The Guardian and The Saturday Paper – have given extensive coverage to allegations against the Catholic Church made at the Royal Commission Into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse. The ABC’s Samantha Donovan and Philippa McDonald and Louise Milligan along with Fairfax Media’s Rachel Browne and Joanne McCarthy have been perhaps the most outspoken of the journalists regularly reporting the Royal Commission in so far as the crimes of pedophile Catholic priests and brothers have been concerned.
      The ABC and Fairfax Media gave considerable coverage to the statement by Counsel Assisting Gail Furness SC on 6 February 2017 that 4445 people alleged instances of child sexual abuse within Catholic schools or institutions up until 2015. Most media focused on the statement by Ms Furness that “7 per cent of priests were alleged perpetrators”.
      However, virtually no media attention was given to Ms Furness’s subsequent clarification on 16 February 2017, with reference to the Catholic Church:
      In other words, within the Catholic Church the vast majority of allegations of pedophilia were made with respect to alleged crimes in the period 1950 to 1989 with close to a third of all allegations relating to the decade of the 1970s. That is, most of the allegations relate to instances of close to four decades ago and are historical crimes.
      In what was called the “Catholic Wrap”, Royal Commission chairman Justice Peter McClellan devoted 15 entire days to examining the Catholic Church. Hearings were held between 6 February 2017 and 26 February 2017.
      On Friday 10 March 2017, the Royal Commission devoted only half a day each to the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Uniting Church of Australia. Yet the evidence suggests that, on a per capita basis, there were more pedophiles in each church combined than in the Catholic Church – especially in the 1990s and subsequent decades. . . .
      The statistics available to the Royal Commission with respect to the Uniting Church cover the period from 1977 to the present. That is, unlike the Catholic Church and the Jehovah’s Witnesses, the allegations do not relate to a period going back to 1950.
      There were 2504 instances or allegations of child sexual abuse made in the Uniting Church in the period 1977 to 2017 compared with 4445 instances in the Catholic Church covering the period 1950 to 2015. Yet the Uniting Church is about a fifth of the size of the Catholic Church. And its data covers four decades whereas the Catholic Church’s data covers over six decades. Moreover, evidence available to the Royal Commission indicates that virtually all offending by Catholic priests took place before 1990. Not so, apparently, with the Uniting Church.
      On this evidence, child sexual assaults in the Uniting Church have been more prevalent than in the Catholic Church – especially in the years since 1990. This despite the fact that the Uniting Church has married male priests and female priests. There is no celibacy requirement within the Uniting Church and no sacrament of confession (in which the Royal Commission has taken a special interest concerning the Catholic Church).
      Yet you would not be aware of any of this if you followed only the reporting of the Royal Commission by the ABC, Fairfax Media, The Guardian and The Saturday Paper. It seems the likes of Samantha Donovan, Philippa McDonald, Louise Milligan, Joanne McCarthy and Rachel Browne did not come back from lunch on Friday 10 February and simply missed the coverage of sexual child abuse in the Uniting Church in the four decades since 1977.
      ---end of quotation-----
      I downloaded that Excel spreadsheet from the ARC (once posted here) that gave limited information about each of the JW cases, and should note that even cases that went back to the 1970's were evidently not there because there was any regular record-keeping by JWs going back that far. They could have been included when a case recorded decades later was found to be applicable to an instance or accusation from a much earlier date.
    • By James Thomas Rook Jr.
      This just in from the Charlotte, NC Charlotte Observer Newspaper:
      Sex abuse cases against Jehovah's Witnesses church settled
      "The Associated Press   March 06, 2018 07:50 PM
      Updated 1 hour 41 minutes ago
      SAN DIEGO Two men who say they were sexually abused by a leader at Jehovah's Witnesses congregations in San Diego in the 1990s have settled their lawsuits against the church's governing body.
      The San Diego Union-Tribune reports Tuesday that the settlements were finalized last week. Both sides say they aren't authorized to discuss the terms.
      A New York state appeals court in November upheld $4,000-a-day penalty against Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York for failing to comply with a court order to hand over internal documents about knowledge of church leaders who had been accused of sexually abusing children.
      Both plaintiffs say church elders knew of the abuse as early as 1982 but covered it up and allowed the leader to keep working with children."
      In this case,  the Courts SUBPOENAED the records ( demanding that they appear ...) and it cost the WTB&TS $4,000 a day for every day THEY REFUSED.  Several months ago, it was up to 2.1 million dollars. 
      What breaks my heart is that children are giving their ice cream money to an organization that pays a team of supposedly theocratic  lawyers ... to ACTIVELY obstruct Justice ..... for MONEY!
      Same thing is going on in Delaware as we speak.
       

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    • By Bible Speaks
      New Judicial front against Watchtower
      In The Quebec Court, Canada, a lawsuit has been filed for 66 million Canadian dollars, against the organization of Jehovah's witnesses in Canada and the United States, on behalf of alleged victims of child abuse while they were Jehovah's Witnesses.
      We do not hide that opponents, who are led by professional apostates, are being organized as a group, to attack the finances of the Watchtower, trying for all the means to sink it economically.

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    • By Bible Speaks
      The Quebec court requests the adoption of a collective demand for sexual abuse against Jehovah's witnesses
      A trial proposes to accuse the leadership of the religious organization in Canada and the United States to protect alleged abusers
      The lawsuit is looking for $ 250.000 per plaintiff for moral and punitive damages.
      Radio-Canada says that, if approved by the court, collective action will be the first of its kind against Jehovah's witnesses, a religious movement that is already the subject of several individual trials in the United States.
      It is now up to the québec high court to determine whether the application is sufficiently substantiated to authorize collective action.

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      By Guest Nicole
      Quebec provincial police are investigating allegations of child sexual abuse by two members of a Jehovah’s Witnesses congregation in Mont-Laurier in the Laurentians, Radio-CanadaÂ’s investigative program Enquête has learned.
      Both men have been sanctioned through the churchÂ’s internal disciplinary process for dealing with allegations of child abuse, but congregation elders did not share their findings with civil authorities.
      One of the men being investigated, Michel Courtemanche, who has been expelled from the congregation, was acquitted of charges of sexual assault and indecent assault in 1996.
      However, the Sûreté du Québec has renewed its investigation of Courtemanche and has begun investigating another man, former congregation elder Georges Leclerc, based on new evidence from at least seven alleged victims.
      Leclerc has been stripped of his status as an elder, but he has not been arrested or charged, and he refused to speak with Enquête.
      Courtemanche has not been arrested or charged as a result of the new investigation and denies the allegations against him. In an interview with Enquête, he pointed to his 1996 acquittal.
      “My answer is there was a judgment on this based on very precise facts, and I was acquitted,” he said.
      At least 7 potential victims, police say
      Enquête spoke with Pénélope Herbert, the woman whose allegations of repeated sexual assaults starting when she was just 10 led to Courtemanche’s 1996 trial.  
      Carolle Poudrier, now in her mid-40s, also told Enquête of alleged sexual contact by Courtemanche, over a period of months when she was 11.
      In the case of Herbert, she said the assaults continued until she was 17 — even after her family moved from Mont-Laurier.
      “He would come to our house to say hello and would sleep over,” Herbert, now 42, told Enquête. “Those nights, he would come to my room. We’re talking total rape, those nights.”
      Carolle Poudrier told Enquête of alleged sexual contact by Michel Courtemanche, over a period of months when she was 11. (Jasmin Simard/Radio-Canada)
      Enquête has learned the SQ has interviewed more than 40 people, of whom seven have been identified as potential victims of either Courtemanche or Leclerc.
      Four of the seven, including Herbert and Poudrier, have now filed formal complaints with police. SQ spokesperson Martine Asselin told Enquête they’re now seeking other possible victims and witnesses.
      “We’re looking to identify other potential victims who perhaps feel they’re alone and aren’t ready to talk,” Asselin said.
      “They should know that investigators are ready to meet with them and witnesses.”
      Both men were friends
      According to Enquête, Leclerc and Courtemanche were friends around the time Herbert’s parents lodged an internal complaint with the congregation about the alleged assaults on their daughter.
      Leclerc was, as a congregation elder, a senior member of the congregation who is responsible for providing religious guidance and ruling on disciplinary matters.
      Enquête said Leclerc allegedly did not speak to Herbert to learn the details of her complaint, as required by Jehovah’s Witness protocols in such matters.
      Courtemanche was later reprimanded and allowed to remain in the congregation.
      Georges Leclerc and Michel Courtemanche were friends around the time Pénélope Herbert’s parents lodged an internal complaint with the congregation, according to Enquête. (Jasmin Simard/Radio-Canada)
      Disillusioned with how the JehovahÂ’s Witnesses had handled her complaint, Herbert took her allegations to police in 1995.
      Courtemanche remained a Jehovah’s Witness after his acquittal but was expelled in 2014, Enquête found, after two other women filed internal complaints alleging he had assaulted them as minors.
      Leclerc remains with the Mont-Laurier congregation, but Enquête says he was stripped of his elder duties after at least three women filed complaints internally with the Jehovah’s Witnesses, alleging he had assaulted them when they were minors.
      Police, youth protection not notified of allegations
      According to Enquête, the first time police investigated Herbert’s allegations against Courtemanche in the mid-1990s, they were not aware Carolle Poudrier’s parents had also alleged Courtemanche had assaulted their daughter.
      Poudrier’s parents were members of a congregation in Terrebonne, just north of Montreal, and had filed their complaint there — not with Courtemanche’s congregation in Mont-Laurier.
      Poudrier alleged that Courtemanche, who was working for her dad, would make her sit on his lap so he could caress and tickle her, which made her uneasy. A few months later, he kissed her twice.
      “He asked me if I’d ever kissed anyone, and he put his tongue in my mouth. I found that disgusting,” Poudrier told Enquête.
      After she told her parents and they complained, Poudrier was made to recount what happened to a congregational elder in the presence of her father.
      Carolle Poudrier told what happened to a congregational elder in the presence of her father. (Jasmin Simard/Radio-Canada)
      “I was really stressed talking about sexual matters with a man I didn’t know, in front of my father. It was embarrassing,” Poudrier said.
      She said the elder thanked her for telling him what had happened and said that “he was there to take care of it.”
      In a lawyer’s letter to Radio-Canada, the elder in question, John MacEwan, said he knew Poudrier’s family but denied meeting with them concerning allegations against Courtemanche.
      When asked by Enquête if the Terrebonne congregation had shared the complaint against Courtemanche with his Mont-Laurier congregation, MacEwan refused to answer.
      Neither police nor youth protection authorities were ever notified of the alleged assaults on Poudrier.
      The JehovahÂ’s Witnesses leadership, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, has given preference to internal judicial procedures and protocols for dealing with matters such as child abuse.
      Carolle PoudrierÂ’s father, left, had worked with Michel Courtemanche, right. (Jasmin Simard/Radio-Canada)
      “In some jurisdictions, individuals who learn of an allegation of child abuse may be obligated by law to report the allegation to the secular authorities,” an internal memo to elders from 2016 reads.
      “In all cases, the victim and her parents have the absolute right to report an allegation to the authorities.”
      When it comes to sharing information with outside authorities, however, the leadership has insisted on maintaining confidentiality, citing privacy and the ecclesiastical privilege conferred by confessions.
      Enquête found there are as many as 30 steps a Jehovah’s Witness must take before that person is allowed to testify in court or furnish civil authorities with church documents, when it comes to matters of child abuse.
      “When you study the process, you realize it’s really a process for avoiding, a system for protecting the reputation of the Jehovah’s Witnesses,”  said Marilou Lagacé, a former Witness interviewed by Enquête.
      New instructions regarding allegations of child sexual abuse
      A recent royal commission in Australia found the JehovahÂ’s Witness church there had recorded allegations of child sexual abuse against 1,006 members over a 60-year period. Not one allegation had been reported to authorities outside the church.
      With pressure mounting in the wake of that royal commission and other allegations of sexual abuse of children in its ranks, on Sept. 1, the Watchtower Society issued new instructions regarding allegations of child sexual abuse.
      Those instructions recognize child sexual abuse as a crime and assert that members should be “clearly informed that they have the right” to report an allegation of abuse to police.
      “The congregation’s handling of an accusation of child sexual abuse is not intended to replace the secular authority’s handling of the matter,” the Sept. 1 letter reads.
      “Therefore, the victim, her parents, or anyone else who reports such an allegation to the elders should be clearly informed that they have the right to report the matter to the secular authorities.
      Elders do not criticize anyone who chooses to make such a report.”


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    • By Jack Ryan
      TRANSLATION HERE (Google Translate)
      The victim calls the society with its own legal system a 'paradise for pedophiles'.The way in which Jehovah's Witnesses deal with sexual abuse in-house rooms has traumatic consequences for victims. Criminals easily escape the abuse, say victims, members and ex-members whom Trouw spoke. This creates an unsafe situation for children.Jehovah's Witnesses find that their internal justice system is above the 'worldly authorities'. Male elders act as judges. They follow the guidelines of the International Headquarters in the United States, shown by internal documents held by Trouw.
      Misuse victim Marianne the Guardian: "Jehovah's Witnesses keep the perpetrators hand over the head. Abuse is solved by the first best farmer who is elder, who has no sense. "Another victim calls Jehovah's Witnesses a" paradise for pedophiles. "If misuse is discovered, it is difficult to convict internally. According to the Jehovah's Witnesses, two witnesses are required. They are almost never abused. For example, if it comes to condemnation, the perpetrator may no longer be out loud in prayer.Only if the perpetrator does not regret can he be put out of community. Other members are not informed of any danger because talking about a case without conviction is perceived as defamation or reproach. On the ground someone can be excluded.Insufficient protectionThe findings of Trouw are in line with a report published by an Australian research commission in November. The conclusion: Children are insufficiently protected from abuse and the organization is not adequately addressed with accusations.
      The Jehovah's Witnesses are a Christian society with around 30,000 followers in the Netherlands. About fifteen years ago, the organization in Trouw said that they only registered cases of abuse by officers. The spokesman had never heard of such abuse.However, three of the four victims who allegedly believed to be abused by an elder were declared to be. The Dutch headquarters of the Jehovah's Witnesses in Emmen reveal that they would now "nuance more" the earlier statement. The organization does not want to engage in individual abuse cases.She says working on the 'resilience' of children and families and discussing sexuality without 'veil of mystery'. And: 'Protecting our children is taken very seriously'.That response is indicative of the way the organization tries to stay out of place, says Frances Peters, ex-witness and coach for people from compelling religious group cultures. "They say, the children must be more resilient, while they should protect them properly."Perhaps more victimsThe abuse that victims talked to victims took place in the eighties and nineties. Victims and experts say the abuse is still taking place. There are virtually no indications that the policy of Jehovah's Witnesses has been adapted.However, the organization against this newspaper says "to constantly review its procedures in order to improve the way we deal with such issues". And: "When it comes to child abuse, Jehovah's Witnesses have a clear policy based on biblical principles."According to Peters, the organization emphasized in 2002 and 2003 during a training for elders that abuse is a crime that must be dealt with by the government. "This is allowed on paper to report to the police. But the change is nowhere communicated to the members. "For reports and reports for sexual abuse, no recent reports of (ex-) witnesses are known. The Sektesignal notification point does not want to name organizations, but lets know that "these types of alerts come across all kinds of groups."According to Peters, there are no reports of witnesses: "Victims often blame themselves for the abuse. If things are done internally, that means someone has dared to open his mouth. But the chance is that there are many more victims who never dared.
      "Read also:- The story of victim Marianne Voogd: "This is our secret. When you open your mouth, I'll do something to you. "- The story of an elder who wanted to help an abused girl: Elder is a detective, judge and psychologist-
      Who are Jehovah's Witnesses actually? Read all you need to know.
       
       
    • By Jack Ryan
      JW had multiple allegations of rape
      Once Noticias Honduras, May 26, 2017
      His victims are girls between 12 and 13 years of age. The authorities have not disclosed which congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses the accused belongs to.
      More than five reports of rape filed by minors between 12 and 13 years old had the prosecution against Roger Abraham Flores Diaz, 45, the Jehovah's Witnesses preacher arrested last night in San Pedro Sula, authorities said.
      Flores Díaz was arrested in Barrio el Centro by agents of the Technical Agency of Criminal Investigation (ATIC), where he had a business selling cell phones. According to the authorities, he deceived the young girls by offering them money.
       
    • By Jack Ryan
      A former member of the Jehovah Witness congregation will appear in court next week after he was charged with sexually assaulting four boys.
      The charges stem from ongoing investigations linked to the Royal Commission into institutional child sexual offences.
      Police allege between 1993 to 2013, the 44-year-old man sexually assaulted four boys aged between 14 and 16 at the time of the offences.
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