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An article in the print edition of Wales On Sunday, an English-language Welsh newspaper, and 'sister' newspaper to The Western Mail (Mon to Sat). Wales on Sunday has a circulation of just under 10,000-copies each Sunday.

Wales on Sunday (UK), Sunday, October 21, 2018 - page 16

It has been a busy week for the courts in Wales with several high-profile cases being dealt with.

Here are some of the criminals jailed this week.

Roy Collins

Collins was given a 23-year extended sentence after being convicted of the systematic sexual abuse of two young girls in the 1980s and 1990s.

The Jehovah's Witness was branded as "devious, righteous and arrogant" by a judge at Swansea Crown Court.

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22 hours ago, Jack Ryan said:

Collins was given a 23-year extended sentence after being convicted of the systematic sexual abuse of two young girls in the 1980s and 1990s

This is actually good news for everyone because he is unlikely to be seen on the streets again.

And Thumbs up to the walesonline.co.uk people who seem to be able to present news about Jehovah's Witnesses in a fairly objective manner. 

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An interesting point relative to other postings on this, the judges statement: "The Jehovah's Witness was branded as "devious, righteous and arrogant", shows how errroneous is the claim that we think "only Jehovahs Witnesses will be saved".

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@Gone Away  Um, erroneous eh ? 

15 February 1983 Watchtower, pp 12-13, article Four Requirements for Salvation: “Jehovah is using only one organization today to accomplish his will. To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it.”

Watchtower March 1, 1985 p 14: “Only Christian witnesses of Jehovah who successfully pass this test will survive and come forth like fire-refined gold for God’s use in his precious new order.”

Watchtower September 1, 1989 p 19: "Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil." Watchtower September 15, 1993 p 22: “But if we were to draw away from Jehovah’s organization, there would be no place else to go for salvation and true joy.”

Watchtower May 15, 2006: "During the final period of the ancient world that perished in the Flood, Noah was a faithful preacher of righteousness. (2 Peter 2:5) In these last days of the present system of things, Jehovah's people are making known God's righteous standards and are declaring good news about the possibility of surviving into the new world. (2 Peter 3:9-13) Just as Noah and his God-fearing family were preserved in the ark, survival of individuals today depends on their faith and their loyal association with the earthly part of Jehovah's universal organization."

Watchtower December 15, 2007: "But Jehovah's servants already belong to the only organization that will survive the end of this wicked system of things."

Now i will admit that i haven't looked up these Watchtowers and checked the quotes, so maybe if you disagree with them you may want to check them out yourself. 

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4 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Now i will admit that i haven't looked up these Watchtowers and checked the quotes, so maybe if you disagree with them you may want to check them out yourself. 

I prefer scriptural quotes on such serious matters. Joel 2:32 is pretty relevant (for me) "And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved"  Peter and Paul referred to this at Acts 2:32 and Rom.10:13.

11 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Um, erroneous eh ? 

I may be missing your logic on this, but to me a "Jehovah's Witness ... branded as "devious, (self- the paper misquotes the judge) righteous and arrogant" would render erroneous a claim that only Jehovah's Witnesses would be saved. Religious designations don't save people.

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@Gone Away I prefer scriptural quotes on such serious matters. Joel 2:32 is pretty relevant (for me) "And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved"  Peter and Paul referred to this at Acts 2:32 and Rom.10:13.

Yes exactly, but the GB and their Writing Department don't seem to agree with you. 

So maybe you might agree with me when I say the GB give false information. Or at least misleading information not based on Scripture. 

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1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

GB give false information

I don't feel this way. They said read the Bible daily, I did, and life got better. I still do, life still gets better. Everybody I know does the same to a greater or lesser degree and we are all commensurately happier.

I have encountered seven GB members in my time and in my limited contacts, I have found them to all be real gentlemen, friendly and considerate, unaffected, quite pleasant to deal with, free from arrogance. The one I did know well remembered me by name on a chance encounter 10 years later, even to the point of taking up the conversation where we had left off. And believe me, I am no one special.

I just don't have the same expectations as you I think, hence I don't suffer from the same disillusionment and disappointment.

By the way, I haven't met anyone yet who doesn't get things wrong, and I don't expect GB members to be any different.

I have known many anointed ones over the years, due to where I have been located. Many of these were baptised prior to 1914. One who was a member of the first UK family to come into the "truth". I have also known many others, baptised in the 1930s. My encounters with these folk have only confirmed my faith, not shaken it, regardless of their varied viewpoints. I guess I just don't have the same take on things as you and some others here it seems. I'm sorry you have had negative experiences. ☺️

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3 minutes ago, Gone Away said:

I don't feel this way. They said read the Bible daily, I did, and life got better. I still do, life still gets better. Everybody I know does the same to a greater or lesser degree and we are all commensurately happier.

I have encountered seven GB members in my time and in my limited contacts, I have found them to all be real gentlemen, friendly and considerate, unaffected, quite pleasant to deal with, free from arrogance. The one I did know well remembered me by name on a chance encounter 10 years later, even to the point of taking up the conversation where we had left off. And believe me, I am no one special.

I just don't have the same expectations as you I think, hence I don't suffer from the same disillusionment and disappointment.

By the way, I haven't met anyone yet who doesn't get things wrong, and I don't expect GB members to be any different.

I have known many anointed ones over the years, due to where I have been located. Many of these were baptised prior to 1914. One who was a member of the first UK family to come into the "truth". I have also known many others, baptised in the 1930s. My encounters with these folk have only confirmed my faith, not shaken it, regardless of their varied viewpoints. I guess I just don't have the same take on things as you and some others here it seems. I'm sorry you have had negative experiences. ☺️

There is an expression, but i can't remember it properly.  It's something about standing too close to see something properly. 

You seem to have a personal relationship with the GB, a closeness, that would stop you seeing the truth about them.

As for getting things wrong. I'm glad Noah didn't get the measurements wrong for the Ark. And I'm glad Moses didn't lead the Israelites to the wrong point of the Red Sea. Are but of course they had Jehovah's guidance didn't they. The GB doesn't.

You first tiny paragraph sounds like this to me. I eat well every day and live in a nice warm house, and so do my friends. So why should I or they worry about people who are hungry or cold ? 

And you last sentence "I'm sorry you have had negative experiences"...... But, I don't just think about my negative experiences, I take time to consider others too. Many Earthwide who were once JW's and have left or been removed because they were stumbled due to the GB policies and the puppet Elders that didn't question orders..

Luke 17 v 1&2 

" Then he said to his disciples: “It is unavoidable that causes for stumbling should come. Nevertheless, woe to the one through whom they come! It would be more advantageous for him if a millstone were hung from his neck and he were thrown into the sea than for him to stumble one of these little ones."

Watch out GB your time will come.

 

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1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

You first tiny paragraph sounds like this to me. I eat well every day and live in a nice warm house, and so do my friends. So why should I or they worry about people who are hungry or cold ? 

Just shows how wrong you can be. Your presumption of happiness seems to be entirely material. That may well be at the core of your perception.

 

 

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2 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Many Earthwide who were once JW's and have left or been removed because they were stumbled due to the GB policies and the puppet Elders that didn't question orders..

Luke 17 v 1&2 

" Then he said to his disciples: “It is unavoidable that causes for stumbling should come. Nevertheless, woe to the one through whom they come! It would be more advantageous for him if a millstone were hung from his neck and he were thrown into the sea than for him to stumble one of these little ones."

The problem with that is that sometimes in someone's eyes you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. And what someone calls being stumbled, someone else calls being strengthened, by exactly the same thing. I suppose it all boils down to attitude and :

Colossians  3:13

"Continue putting up with one another and forgiving one another freely even if anyone has a cause for complaint against another. Just as Jehovah freely forgave you, you must also do the same. 14  But besides all these things, clothe yourselves with love, for it is a perfect bond of union."

 

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5 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Many Earthwide who were once JW's and have left or been removed because they were stumbled due to the GB policies and the puppet Elders that didn't question orders

I think it is just that they developed or came across something that they thought entitled them to drive the bus. They left when they discovered that they would not be allowed to. In some cases they were caught red-handed trying to hotwire the bus.

In the end it is a too high opinion of oneself and one’s wisdom that sinks one. The worship and deeds of Jehovah’s Witnesses, magnified by their organized quality, either appeal to the heart or they don’t.

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12 hours ago, Gone Away said:

Just shows how wrong you can be. Your presumption of happiness seems to be entirely material. That may well be at the core of your perception.

 

 

Oh dear, actually it related to scripture, but in truth I'm sure you got the point of it. You and your close friends are ok, so why worry about anyone else. But of course you knew exactly where i was coming from, and didn't like it. So be it, you show yourself  to be a true JW in attitude, selfish and not caring of others, other than close friends. Matthew 5 v 46 & 47. 

 For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing?  And if you greet your brothers only, what extraordinary thing are you doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing ? 

I had actually seen this attitude in the KH when I'd asked after someone who has been missing from meetings for a long time. No one really cares. They only care for these close friends. So be it. 

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10 hours ago, Anna said:

The problem with that is that sometimes in someone's eyes you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. And what someone calls being stumbled, someone else calls being strengthened, by exactly the same thing. I suppose it all boils down to attitude and :

Colossians  3:13

"Continue putting up with one another and forgiving one another freely even if anyone has a cause for complaint against another. Just as Jehovah freely forgave you, you must also do the same. 14  But besides all these things, clothe yourselves with love, for it is a perfect bond of union."

 

So the Luke 17 v 1 & 2 scripture means nothing then ?  Your saying the Colossians scripture contradicts it ? 

I suppose you would use that Colossians scripture against the Victims of Child Abuse. So be it Anna.

JW's showing true colours here today it seems. I'd give you the same Matthew scripture as above. 

Give consideration to those spiritually weaker that yourself. 

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9 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I think it is just that they developed or came across something that they thought entitled them to drive the bus. They left when they discovered that they would not be allowed to. In some cases they were caught red-handed trying to hotwire the bus.

In the end it is a too high opinion of oneself and one’s wisdom that sinks one. The worship and deeds of Jehovah’s Witnesses, magnified by their organized quality, either appeal to the heart or they don’t.

I would give you the same Luke 17 v 1 & 2 scripture too, but it would be of no use. There are none so blind as those that deliberately will not see. And that seems to apply to you and Anna and Gone Away. 

I am finding though that visiting this 'site' helps to give me perspective. And although it may not seem so, i do consider both sides of the 'coin'.  Yes people can get easily upset by trivial matters i agree, and yes we should all try to overlook 'faults' in others and hope that they would overlook our faults too. 

But to say that they leave because they can't get control seems a bit far fetched. Unless of course a person enters the Org with such intentions, but I wouldn't think many do that.  I do find that in congregations I've known, that individual Elders do tend to take control of the congregation, and the other Elders seem to be frightened of them. You might find that unbelievable. 

For instance when I reported a situation and was then threatened with being disfellowshipped for slander. The one Elder that threatened to disfellowship me if i didn't withdraw all of my accusations, seemed to back off when i said, 'If you think you have the authority to disfellowship me then go ahead and do it '. He didn't of course as he didn't have that authority, but the threat was only from him, not the other Elders.  That Elder now has his father with him as another Elder in Honiton congregation, here in Devon. I dread to think how it is being run now. The two of them domineering the congregation. 

The JW Org is like a beautiful forest from a distance, but just do not get close and look at those trees or you will be so disappointed. 

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1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Oh dear, actually it related to scripture, but in truth I'm sure you got the point of it. You and your close friends are ok, so why worry about anyone else. But of course you knew exactly where i was coming from, and didn't like it. So be it, you show yourself  to be a true JW in attitude, selfish and not caring of others, other than close friends. Matthew 5 v 46 & 47. 

I find that hard to believe with what you have said about Christians who are trying to prevent brazen conduct and the fact that other things happen to other people outside of a single faith community.

 

That being said, people do care, and they have concerns for all persons, not all persons from a single community.

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@Gone Away This is an example of people adding way too much emotion, opinion and feeling into a verse or passage to which the context is not fully expressed, so to speak. I had to deal with a whole lot of that, recently after the whole Texas thing.

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@TrueTomHarley People seem to forget that Trees are of God's creation. One of the things my father and mother appreciated were anything and everything God has created, so it is silly to be disappointed in something that God provided to mankind, the flora and such s like a gift from our Father in Heaven, as well as the beautifully seas.

 

Alas, what is a blessing some do not appreciate, until it is gone or dying out, that is when they begin to care.

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12 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

@TrueTomHarley People seem to forget that Trees are of God's creation....Alas, what is a blessing some do not appreciate, until it is gone or dying out, that is when they begin to care.

Yes, they are nice, but they have blemishes. Some are gnarly. Some suffer bugs and blight. Some are not symmetrical. 

'Rip them all out and blacktop what remains' is the attitude of some.

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And not that anyone can be bothered to go back and see what i wrote but this is the scripture i was relating it to. James 2 v 16.

yet one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but you do not give them what they need for their body, of what benefit is it? 

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@JOHN BUTLER But when a truth is spoken it is considered untruth by some, even by you in some instances, especially when the focus is on context, Strong's and interpretation. So technically you cannot throw the apostles and Jesus under the bus on this one.

There, one has to be careful, for we cannot be, like some, who confuse a lesson by Jesus for something of temptation.

That being said, when there is truth and untruths spoken and when the Bible is used, I see it as though it is ninja's throwing ninja stars at each other, and the stars itself being verses and passages, the ones that will stick to the target is the ones knowing what conveys in context.

It also draws the line between spiritual wisdom vs. those who maintain strong emotion and opinion regarding a verses and or passage - basic hermeneutics vs. that of surfaced conclusion.

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      Head of Correspondence & Engagement Team
      Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse
       
    • By Jack Ryan
      Two different women came forward in 2018 with stories of repeated sexual abuse during their childhood by adult members of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
      One woman, Romy Maple, said she was repeatedly drugged and sexually abused by the same man starting when she was 4 years old. She said other members of the Jehovah’s Witnesses ignored her efforts to alert them to the abuse.
      Years later, Maple appeared prominently in the A&E documentary series, “Cults and Extreme Belief,” which brought her story to national attention. Maple has since launched a nonprofit, 707SAFE — which stands for Sexual Assault Fighters Elite — offering “coaching, transitional and transformational support” to fellow survivors of child sexual abuse, according to Maple’s
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. . Another woman, who gave her name as Sister Star, said she was drugged, filmed and sexually abused at a Eureka hotel by a family friend and fellow member of Jehovah’s Witnesses. She said her grandfather and other men did the same to her months before, and further said her stepfather sexually abused her throughout her childhood years.
      Sister Star came forward with her story of sexual abuse in August. (Jose Quezada — The Times-Standard file)   As in Maple’s case, Sister Star said elders of the Jehovah’s Witnesses took no action to help her.
      Jehovah’s Witnesses World Headquarters offered the Times-Standard the following comment earlier this year:
      “Jehovah’s Witnesses abhor child abuse and view it as a crime. (Romans 12:9)” the document states. “We recognize that the authorities are responsible for addressing such crimes. (Romans 13:1-4) The elders do not shield any perpetrator of child abuse from the authorities.”
      No criminal action has been taken in either Maple or Sister Star’s cases due to existing statute-of-limitations laws. In 2016, Gov. Jerry Brown signed into law a bill dismissing the statute of limitations for crimes of rape, sexual assault and other sexual offenses committed in 2017 and onward.

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    • By Bible Speaks
      Closing of the Bethel of London and opening of the new Bethel in Chelmsford
      We are pleased to inform you that a new and exciting exhibition is now open for visitors in our Installations In Mill Hill. This new feature will take you on a journey through the history of witnesses in great Britain and Ireland. It includes material that will strengthen your faith and undoubtedly increase your appreciation for being part of the wonderful organization of Jehovah. - Ps. 144: 15.
      News: the new facilities at Chelmsford will not include a printer and will discontinue the printing at Mill Hill at the end of March 2018. So if you want to see the printing presses we invite you to visit as soon as possible.
      ___________________________________
      The Accelerated speed of new news in our organization makes us look forward to all kinds of communiqués as you can see, there will be no printing of publications in London.
      When they announced the new branch, they said it was necessary because the production of magazines is expanding and Britain is the key Bethel for the production of magazines. That was just a couple of years ago they said that.
      Literature comes from Germany now. It's the center of Europe. Sent to London (soon Chelmsford) and distributed from there. The single page brochures will be used much more now. 

    • By The Librarian
      A member wanted me to post this question to you all..... 
      Anyone have a list?
    • By JOHN BUTLER
      I thought I'd just share this. Please read the whole article before judging it. 
      'Punished' for being sexually abused in York County: Jehovah's Witnesses' culture of cover-up
      THE CHURCH ISOLATES ITS MEMBERS, SHAMES AND SHUNS VICTIMS WHO COME FORTH AND INSTRUCTS ELDERS TO KEEP REPORTS SECRET. AND CHILDREN ARE BEING ABUSED.
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    • By Jack Ryan
      Western Mail (Wales, UK), Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - FRONT PAGE
      An elder member of a Jehovah’s Witness congregation subjected a girl to years of sexual abuse, a court has heard.
      Thomas Brian Jenkins, 74, appeared at Merthyr Crown Court on Monday charged with 20 counts of indecent assault against a girl in the 1970s.
      The alleged abuse began when the girl was 12 years old and continued until she was 14.
      Jenkins, of Landor Road, Redditch, Worcestershire, denies indecently assaulting the girl by touching her genitals on “dozens of occasions".
      Opening the case for the prosecution, Timothy Evans said the abuse began shortly after the girl moved to a village in Powys with her family, who were Jehovah’s Witnesses, and became involved with the local congregation.
      Mr Evans said Jenkins, an elder member of the congregation, would take the girl, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, and her older brother out in a car to knock on people’s doors.
      “The defendant would get someone going out house to - turn to page 4
      Jehovah's Witness denies 20 historic sex attack charges
    • By Jack Ryan
      The Jehovah's Witness Church in Australia failed to protect children in its care from sexual predators, a report has found.
      The Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse delivered its report into the organisation on Monday.
      It stated that: "Children are not adequately protected from the risk of child sexual abuse in the Jehovah's Witness organisation and [the commission] does not believe the organisation responds adequately to allegations of child sexual abuse."
      Survivors of sexual abuse within the church and senior church members appeared before a public hearing last year.
      The inquiry heard the church received allegations of Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. over a 60-year period but did not report a single claim to police.
      In its report on the inquiry, the royal commission found that the organisation's general practice of "not reporting serious instances of child sexual abuse to police or authorities, demonstrated a serious failure on its part to provide for the safety and protection of children."
      The royal commission determined that the church's response to allegations of child sexual abuse were outdated, including a rule that there must be two witnesses to an incident, which "showed a serious lack of understanding of the nature of child sexual abuse".
      "It noted the rule, which the Jehovah's Witness organisation relies on, and applies inflexibly even in the context of child sexual abuse, was devised more than 2000 years ago," the report found.

      Royal commission chairman Justice Peter McClellan. Photo: Jeremy Piper
      The Jehovah's Witnesses approach to handling claims internally was not appropriate for children or survivors of sexual abuse, the report found.
      "Survivors are offered little or no choice in how their complaint is addressed, sanctions are weak with little regard to the risk of the perpetrator re-offending."
      The head of the Jehovah's Witness community's service desk, Rodney Spinks, is considering the report and is expected respond on Monday afternoon.
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    • Guest Nicole
      By Guest Nicole
      Speaking at the hearing, Valerie’s family described her as a “happy little old lady”.
      Daughter Alexandra Harpin, 58, said: “She liked to talk to people, and she was a very active Jehovah’s Witness until the last five to six years prior to her death.
      “She was just a normal mother, but at times she was a frightened person.
      “She feared certain things but never disclosed what it was.
      “There was nothing wrong with her mental state at all. Every time I saw her she was fine.”
      Robert McIntyre was not present at the inquest. Since then he has been the subject of Chinese whispers on the estate that has been home for 22 years.
      He told the Sunday Mercury: “I have been put through a lot of hell. What has been done to me is horrendous, but I’ve already forgiven them.”
      Now he says that bereavement, groundless accusations and the long wait to clear his name have finally taken their toll. He is leaving.
      “I’m moving,” he said. “I’ve just had enough of the harassment.”

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    • Guest Nicole
      By Guest Nicole
      A Special Forces veteran, publicly branded a poisoner, has broken his silence to tell the Sunday Mercury: “I did not kill my wife with weedkiller.”
      And Lieutenant Commander Robert McIntyre, who served the Royal Navy with distinction from 1963 to 1971, says the bombshell allegation will be the death of him.
      “This is going to see me off,” said the 72-year-old at his cluttered bungalow in Bloxwich, near Walsall, the oxygen machine wife Valerie used still prominently placed in the living room.
      “That’s it for me, that’s me finished.”
      Robert, raised on the Isle of Skye, spoke out after an inquest heard 88-year-old Valerie told family from her hospital deathbed: “That bastard has killed me.”
      She claimed that Robert, who became a long distance lorry driver after his military stint, had poisoned her with weedkiller, the hearing was told.

      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Valerie, a devout Jehovah’s Witness, died at Walsall Manor Hospital in September 2017. Her service at Bushbury Crematorium did not take place until September 11 this year.
    • By Jack Ryan
      Item about child sexual abuse within community of Jehovah's Witnesses, RTL Nieuws (Netherlands), October 6th, 2018 English subtitles included
       
    • Guest Nicole
    • By JOHN BUTLER
      Last September (2017),  there was internet info regarding a $66 million dollar lawsuit being filed against Jehovah's Witnesses in Canada, for Child Abuse / Pedophilia.
      I haven't been able to find out any more information this year and would be very pleased if someone could update me on outcome or ongoing situation.

      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. This is probably not a good link to add but it's just one of many online. 
    • By Shiwiii
      Meanwhile in Montana:
       
      HELENA, Mont. (AP) — A Montana jury has ruled that the Jehovah’s Witnesses organization must pay $34 million to a woman who says the church covered up her sexual abuse as a child at the hands of a congregation member.
      Neil Smith, an attorney representing the 32-year-old woman, says the jury’s verdict Wednesday in the lawsuit sends a message to the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ New York headquarters to stop prioritizing church secrecy over children’s safety.
      Jehovah’s Witness officials did not immediately respond to a call or email for comment. The monetary award must be reviewed by the trial judge.
      The jury dismissed claims by a second woman who alleged abuse by the same man in Thompson Falls in the 1990s.
      The jury concluded church elders did not receive notice of the second woman’s abuse and therefore did not have a duty to tell authorities.
       
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      When will this one make the jw news feed? 
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