What does not passing the collection plate really mean anyway?

[Srecko Sostar]

5 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

It is only a corporation because the laws of this world will not let you operate otherwise.

:)))))))))))))) none of us must not be too much educated in management and business and trade law and take such explanation as true.

In Mexico, in one period of time JW was registered as Cultural Society and can operate in the country with real estate that was stayed in WT property. On June 10, 1943, application was made to the Secretariat of Foreign Affairs to register La Torre del Vigía as a civil society, and this was approved on June 15, 1943. This meant that the brothers can no longer sing, pray and use the Bible in their "cultural" meetings. This way they sacrificed the worship of Jehovah, singing praises to him and using the Bible because owning their property and assets was much more important than praying, singing & using the Bible.  - Please don't disinform people with wrongly idea.  

"In 1989, with the approval of the Governing Body, a letter was written to all the “companies” saying that as of April 1, we would be operating in Mexico as a religious organization."  yb95 page  233 Mexico   

25 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Even the 'apostles and old men' of the first century would have organized themselves as a corporation if that were a necessity to legally operate.

What Bible said that ???? :))))))

[TrueTomHarley]

14 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

In Mexico, in one period of time JW was registered as Cultural Society and can operate in the country with real estate that was stayed in WT property.

The rules are doubtless different in each country and I am not everywhere. I speak of the U.S.

[TrueTomHarley]

15 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

What Bible said that ???? :))))))

You're right. They would have evaporated as a religon rather than go to the government and fill out some forms.

[Srecko Sostar]

32 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The rules are ....

You are funny. Maybe kids would believe this. Not me :))))

[TrueTomHarley]

47 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

You are funny. Maybe kids would believe this. Not me :))))

You are indeed an unusual person.

[JW Insider]

37 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

You are funny. Maybe kids would believe this. Not me :))))

You are indeed an unusual person.

Looking back, I'd have to say that @Srecko Sostar is exactly right on this point. Although I agree that it's "unusual" for even a JW to know about this particular point, he was responding to your point about Mexico, TTH, when you said that the rules are different in each country

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The rules are doubtless different in each country and I am not everywhere. I speak of the U.S.

The rules were exactly the same in Mexico for a religious organization, and the Society could have done in Mexico exactly what other religions were doing there, and exactly what the Society had chosen to do in other Central American countries. The only difference was that a religious organization could not own property but had to lease it. The brothers and sisters could have prayed, and sung Kingdom Songs, and conducted Bible studies, and used the Bible in field service just as we do almost everywhere else. When we lived in California and visited our relatives in San Diego and Oceanside, they would regularly visit brothers in Mexico on a day trip. Our whole family had visited the brothers there on several occasions when we were just a "cultural" organization. As soon as the rules changed and religious organizations could own their own property, the Society announced that we would now operate as a religious organization.

We avoided public prayer and singing and Bible reading in our meetings purely based on choices made in Brooklyn. In other countries, we fought for the right to have public prayer and singing and Bible reading in our meetings. For some reason we didn't think it was that important to our brothers in Mexico, until we could own the property. 

[TrueTomHarley]

9 hours ago, Witness said:

Easy to say - how far do you commute? 

Tacking on a 30 minute commute both ways, twice a week, is not nothing. I don't want to blow it off as though it were. There are no examples of great inconvenience in our circuit, but that is not to say it is not so elsewhere. 

Nor will I pretend that even loyal ones may not grouse a bit, even as they understand the overall benefit. Of course, disloyal ones will bellow till the cows come home, but even loyal ones may not turn on a dime. 

One of the reasons Jehovah's organization works and others do not - and least not on such a scale - is that Witnesses have come to love the entire brotherhood, regardless of where in the world they may live, and do not obsess about their own immediate interests. They don't all figure they have to all go over to Benin and see for themselves and each ponder over the balance statement and have special sessions to discuss it and take a vote on it because no one other than themselves can be trusted - they just don't. They've decided the ones having oversight are trustworthy - they've given no cause to think otherwise, as they adhere to the same healthful scriptural teachings - so they grin and bear it if some policy does not work to their immediate benefit. 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

10 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

What a responsible use of resources - @James Thomas Rook Jr. will agree with me on this, for he is not a selfish person who thinks only of himself - to consolidate where need be, even to shut 'underperforming' buildings - so that the good of the worldwide congregation of God is realized, even if it means a longer twice-a-week commute for some who lovingly acquiesce to this financially responsible direction.

It appears that you are PROJECTING again, TTH ....it has NOTHING to do with me.

Uh .... "underperforming" buildings?

 

[Srecko Sostar]

8 hours ago, JW Insider said:

Looking back, I'd have to say

Thank you  .  Finally the voice of reason, honesty, sincerity and accurate information/knowledge about what The Corporation was done/is doing is heard.

[TrueTomHarley]

The days was going so fine until they had to spoil it with grubbing for money.

Four hours! That's how long the annual meeting lasted. Four hours of streaming all the latest. Four hours of of experiences and details and history of building the new headquarters. Then, four talks spreading new light so brilliant it made Hiroshima and Nagasaki look like an overcast day.

And then spoiling it all - I couldn't believe it - in the midst of it, 30 seconds of shameless groveling for money. They actually (brace yourselves) - they actually suggested that those present might donate if they wanted to!!!, and (GASP!) they even said where they could do it (at the contribution box)!!!!

30 seconds' mention of money in a four hour period! @Shiwiii is right. It's all about money with these guys.

Oh, and that letter Shiwiii spirited out, that he was so excited about sharing - almost wetting himself in excitement? That letter that extra contribution stations should be established? I looked and looked for ours (our meeting was at our Kingdom Hall) and I discovered it! That slot in the counter that used to be designated as the Kingdom Hall fund but was taped over when that fund was combined with the WWW? ... It was UNCOVERED  again!!!!! and also labeled Worldwide Work! 

I tell you, it made Joel Osteen look like Johnny Appleseed! What a shameless example of greed!!!

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

It's all about money with these guys.

Your apple. :)) and the tree of knowledge. 

[Shiwiii]

3 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The days was going so fine until they had to spoil it with grubbing for money.

Four hours! That's how long the annual meeting lasted. Four hours of streaming all the latest. Four hours of of experiences and details and history of building the new headquarters. Then, four talks spreading new light so brilliant it made Hiroshima and Nagasaki look like an overcast day.

And then spoiling it all - I couldn't believe it - in the midst of it, 30 seconds of shameless groveling for money. They actually (brace yourselves) - they actually suggested that those present might donate if they wanted to!!!, and (GASP!) they even said where they could do it (at the contribution box)!!!!

30 seconds' mention of money in a four hour period! @Shiwiii is right. It's all about money with these guys.

Oh, and that letter Shiwiii spirited out, that he was so excited about sharing - almost wetting himself in excitement? That letter that extra contribution stations should be established? I looked and looked for ours (our meeting was at our Kingdom Hall) and I discovered it! That slot in the counter that used to be designated as the Kingdom Hall fund but was taped over when that fund was combined with the WWW? ... It was UNCOVERED  again!!!!! and also labeled Worldwide Work! 

I tell you, it made Joel Osteen look like Johnny Appleseed! What a shameless example of greed!!!

I just wet myself knowing that the letter was real, and you saw that it was real, making what I was saying true.