IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion

[Anna]

15 minutes ago, xero said:

You're on your own as far as I'm concerned. Two reasons,first your responses have a chat-bot quality to them and second none of this is interesting.

If I may butt in here. Srecko's first language is not English. Also @Srecko Sostar, when someone says "Don't imagine...something" it does not literally mean that the person saying this is accusing you of illusions, it's just a phrase that essentially means : "don't think....you are the only one....etc. (Zar ne mislite. Nemoj misliti da jesi...)

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, Anna said:

Worth noting:

Apologize for reading this incorrectly. It is very similar to "worth nothing".  

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

10 hours ago, Anna said:

(Children have ALWAYS been the responsibility of the parents. Plain and simple).

 

Ha ha Ha. Yes of course, especially when Elders take other people's children on the ministry and then abuse them out in the countryside. Or Elders take private bible studies with young children and molest the child during the 'study'. 

[Srecko Sostar]

49 minutes ago, César Chávez said:

Jehovah’s Witnesses are fully compliant with each of these recommendations. Every elder and ministerial servant has a Working With Children clearance in those states where this is legislated

JW congregation does not have "Sunday School" and children are responsible(responsibility) of parents. But it seems how parents are not only one who "teaching own children", but MS and Elders are involved in this practice too, not only in Australia and not only in those states where this is obligated/legislated.

Ok, than we see not only domestic/family program of teaching religious things to children, but Institutional Program/Settings with MS and Elders involved.

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

8 hours ago, César Chávez said:

we abhor the sexual abuse of children and will not protect any perpetrator

of such repugnant acts from the consequences of his gross sin. (

This is so hypocritical. It would be funny BUT it is very serious.

BUT the GB and their Lawyers still refuse to hand over the Pedophile Database in America. 

And here in UK the Bethel did not want to hand over information, but were taken to court and had to hand it over. 

And the GB Lawyers have been seen on video whilst in court, Telling Lies. 

And Elders claim Clergy Penitent Privilege so as not to give evidence against other Elders in court, but then the Org pretends that Elders are not Clergy.  So how can Elders claim that privilege if they are not clergy ? Hypocrites. 

[xero]

1 hour ago, Anna said:

If I may butt in here. Srecko's first language is not English. Also @Srecko Sostar, when someone says "Don't imagine...something" it does not literally mean that the person saying this is accusing you of illusions, it's just a phrase that essentially means : "don't think....you are the only one....etc. (Zar ne mislite. Nemoj misliti da jesi...)

I'm sure he's a fine fellow, but it's still dull material under discussion. There are times when you knock on a door and then out pops a minister who wants to talk to you about how awesome the trinity is and you look down at your watch and say "Yeah....Not today."

 

(I just re-read that...reminds me of the diffs between the puerto ricans and the mexicans in their use of spanish... My accent is mexican because of where I grew up on the border, but border spanish has a lot of nonstandard spanish that puerto ricans would always whine about when I used it. I'd say "Vamos a fencear la casa!" and they'd say "That's not real spanish" and I'd say "It is if you want your fence put up pronto", otherwise we'd of hired puerto ricans!

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

8 hours ago, xero said:

I'm sure he's a fine fellow, but it's still dull material under discussion. There are times when you knock on a door and then out pops a minister who wants to talk to you about how awesome the trinity is and you look down at your watch and say "Yeah....Not today."

Yes, well then you know how some of us here feel about your comments don't you.  

[Pudgy]

..."listening" to all this is better than the old 1950's Soap Opera TV shows, where pained expressions in close-up camera angles were accompanied by an off camera Organist providing the emphasis.

...at least back then you could get a free kitchen towel in every box of detergent ....

[xero]

1 hour ago, Pudgy said:

..."listening" to all this is better than the old 1950's Soap Opera TV shows, where pained expressions in close-up camera angles were accompanied by an off camera Organist providing the emphasis.

...at least back then you could get a free kitchen towel in every box of detergent ....

 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

7 hours ago, César Chávez said:

John Butler aka Jah4me

Can't have it both ways. Since you refuse to reason, then, you have no credible claim as an ex-witness activist.

That's the problem here, John, people just hate to hear the truth!

Well no truth comes from your words, that's for sure. Just as no truth comes from the GB or the Watchtower. 

[Anna]

3 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

Ha ha Ha. Yes of course, especially when Elders take other people's children on the ministry and then abuse them out in the countryside. Or Elders take private bible studies with young children and molest the child during the 'study'. 

 

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

JW congregation does not have "Sunday School" and children are responsible(responsibility) of parents. But it seems how parents are not only one who "teaching own children", but MS and Elders are involved in this practice too, not only in Australia and not only in those states where this is obligated/legislated.

Parents are the ones who give consent to anyone, whether it be an Elder, a ministerial servant or a publisher to study the Bible with their child and/or go in service.  It is a private arrangement and agreement between the parent and the relevant person. Everyone is educated at the meetings, including the children who should sit with their parents. If someone else is "teaching their children" or if children are sitting with someone else besides their parents, then that is by the parents own arrangement. As regards the ministry, that is a grey area because the ministry can be considered "church activity" this is especially the case when someone who is not the parent, assigns the child to work with someone else (Candace Conti). As far as I know, this no longer happens. But people still make their own arrangements, for example little Johnny might ask to work with little Davie and his dad because they are buddies.

 

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Ok, than we see not only domestic/family program of teaching religious things to children, but Institutional Program/Settings with MS and Elders involved.

Like I said, there is no institutional program with MS or elders involved. If it happens, then it is outside the congregational arrangement, and at the discretion* of the parents.

*the freedom to decide what should be done in a particular situation.

And CC is wrong when he applies "It takes a village to raise a child" to the spiritual raising of children. That is exclusively the parent's/guardian's responsibility.

[Anna]

3 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

BUT the GB and their Lawyers still refuse to hand over the Pedophile Database in America. 

And here in UK the Bethel did not want to hand over information, but were taken to court and had to hand it over. 

And the GB Lawyers have been seen on video whilst in court, Telling Lies. 

And Elders claim Clergy Penitent Privilege so as not to give evidence against other Elders in court, but then the Org pretends that Elders are not Clergy.  So how can Elders claim that privilege if they are not clergy ? Hypocrites. 

The problem is you know just enough to get confused. You do not have all the facts nor knowledge, just bits and pieces from various sources. Not only that, but also twisted information. It's like when opposers say Br. Lett said that child sexual abuse in the congregation are all apostate lies. When in fact he said that the JWs supposedly not caring about child sexual abuse are apostate lies.  One says that we deny there is child sexual abuse, and the other says there is sexual abuse and we do care about it. Big difference.