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[JOHN BUTLER]

@Space Merchant Quote "That being said, take your blame with the Bible, if it irks you this much if you think it commits to suffering."

The Bible does not cause suffering, the misuse of it does. The GB leaders of the JW Org and the Elders of that Org cause suffering. The parents that demand their children go and preach also cause suffering mentally and emotionally to their children. 

Jesus sent out his followers to preach, but they were not children. Can you find me a scripture that says Jesus sent out children to preach ? 

As for the JW Org increasing, it seems to be only in less educated lands. In more educated and more open lands where information is freely available there seems to be a decrease. 

The majority of growth is coming from developing countries in Africa and South America. In 2016, 70% of the increase in average publishers came from just 7 countries, Angola 10k, Brazil 21k, Ecuador 3k, Ghana 4k, Mexico 11k, Rep. of Congo 34k and Nigeria 3k. On the other hand, developed countries with the highest level of wealth, education and internet access to information regarding Watchtower have little to no growth. In 2016, many of these countries reported less publishers than previous year peaks, including Britain, Australia, Germany, Italy, USA, Canada and Japan.

 

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2 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Can you find me a scripture that says Jesus sent out children to preach ? 

Are you seriously asking such an ill-informed question? Or are you just quoting something that you have read without thinking about what this demonstrates?

Children have a lot more spontaneous sense than many adults, including whoever formulated such a question as this. Indeed, contrary to those who would seek to muzzle them, such children have the approval of both Jehovah and His Glorious Son, Jesus Christ as recorded at:

Ps 8:2: "Out of the mouths of children and infants you have established strength"       and

Matt.21:15-16:"When the chief priests and the scribes saw the marvelous things he did and the boys who were shouting in the temple, “Save, we pray, the Son of David!” they became indignant and said to him: “Do you hear what these are saying?” Jesus said to them: “Yes. Did you never read this, ‘Out of the mouth of children and infants, you have brought forth praise’?”

 

[JOHN BUTLER]

14 hours ago, Outta Here said:

Are you seriously asking such an ill-informed question? Or are you just quoting something that you have read without thinking about what this demonstrates?

Children have a lot more spontaneous sense than many adults, including whoever formulated such a question as this. Indeed, contrary to those who would seek to muzzle them, such children have the approval of both Jehovah and His Glorious Son, Jesus Christ as recorded at:

Ps 8:2: "Out of the mouths of children and infants you have established strength"       and

Matt.21:15-16:"When the chief priests and the scribes saw the marvelous things he did and the boys who were shouting in the temple, “Save, we pray, the Son of David!” they became indignant and said to him: “Do you hear what these are saying?” Jesus said to them: “Yes. Did you never read this, ‘Out of the mouth of children and infants, you have brought forth praise’?”

 

That is not Jesus actually sending out children to preach from house to house in the way that JW's do it. 

'the boys who were shouting in the temple'. 

So where is a scripture that says Jesus sent out children into the house to house ministry ? 

We can all find scripture and then make it serve our purpose. The GB and the Writing Department do it all the time. But it does not make it right. 

Many children hate the ministry work and they also hate having to take literature into school to give to the teachers etc. 

A few may of course find it fun, buy many hate it. 

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6 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

A few may of course find it fun, buy many hate it. 

Those who hate sharing Jehovah's word with others often end up hating those who love to do it.

[JOHN BUTLER]

1 hour ago, Outta Here said:

Those who hate sharing Jehovah's word with others often end up hating those who love to do it.

Possibly, but many young children are just not ready to be that 'brave', to speak up. Many have not made the personal relationship with God that is needed. 

And maybe some of them do not know if what they are told to say is actually true. 

After all the JW ministry is about doing as you are told isn't it ? A JW is not allowed to go to the doors with their own opinion, they must only go to the doors with the message that are told to give, some of which has proven to be untrue.

When a JW learns that the message keeps being changed then even a sensible adult will wonder if any of the JW teaching is true. So who can blame a child that is not convinced by the JW Org.

 

[Space Merchant]

On 5/3/2019 at 2:42 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

he Bible does not cause suffering, the misuse of it does.

Exactly, however, going about following what the Scriptures teaches and not misusing it you deemed before as negative.

On 5/3/2019 at 2:42 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

The GB leaders of the JW Org and the Elders of that Org cause suffering.

If the Bible tells them to put something into practice, clearly they wouldn't go around it. Restorationist would not be caught dead going around Scripture, and on the other side of the spectrum, you have people who make claim they do not follow Scripture, but when they do, it is a problem.

On 5/3/2019 at 2:42 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

The parents that demand their children go and preach also cause suffering mentally and emotionally to their children. 

Now that is a weak excuse. Children obey their parents. The Bible makes that clear, very clear in Ephesians and I believe Jesus had made some points himself.

Preaching or doing missionary work does not cause suffering and mental and emotional harm, what does is how parents and or guardians go about things with their children.

I find this remark of yours absurd because if you claim the Bible does not cause suffering, somehow missionary work and importance of the commission in which Jesus commanded is mentally harming children.

Perhaps a word with the Christ would do you some justice, but you will be at the receiving end.

Surely you are a parent.

That being said, your remark doesn't define all Jehovah's Witnesses children, you base the experience perhaps in your church and it's area.

On 5/3/2019 at 2:42 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

As for the JW Org increasing,

But you just said before and alluded to them decreasing? Mental Gymnastics or willful ignorance? The facts outweighs the thoughts of the disdainful one. I even said it before, give it a few months, Christian minorities, especially Restorationist will increase.

On 5/3/2019 at 2:42 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

it seems to be only in less educated lands. In more educated and more open lands where information is freely available there seems to be a decrease. 

How do you know the areas such as these is uneducated?

On 5/3/2019 at 2:42 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

The majority of growth is coming from developing countries in Africa and South America. In 2016, 70% of the increase in average publishers came from just 7 countries, Angola 10k, Brazil 21k, Ecuador 3k, Ghana 4k, Mexico 11k, Rep. of Congo 34k and Nigeria 3k. On the other hand, developed countries with the highest level of wealth, education and internet access to information regarding Watchtower have little to no growth. In 2016, many of these countries reported less publishers than previous year peaks, including Britain, Australia, Germany, Italy, USA, Canada and Japan.

I found your source: https://www.quora.com/How-often-are-Jehovahs-Witnesses-successful-in-converting-people-when-they-go-door-to-door Mark also pointed out as to where, according to Mark's citation. Also you may want to look at the other comments besides focusing on a one person.

That being said, you had the chance to use recent sources also, how not have you taken chance in this regard is quite obvious.

You are pulling from a source that dates back to 2016 whereas they just got to 8.13 adherents. 2017 they bumped up to 8.24, 8.36 in 2018, in the same year around 8.45. Right out of the gate for 2019 they're at 8.58. You may want to get an update on said source instead of going back a few years to make claim to something recent. I'd like to add that with the internet and other forms of media, they have been able to minister to an even bigger number, more over, what they minister, others have taken said information and indirectly proclaim it to others, so that is and may be the explanation of their growth as a Christian minority.

Another factor I'd like to day is that their Trinity believing counterparts have been making claim that they are exactly the same Restoration as JWs and prevent members from even speaking with them. Reasons why, they know how easily they can loose members to JWs because of the whole Trinitarianism teaching. Think of it as this way, this group are JWs who believe in the Trinity, claim to be exactly like JWs to prevent loose of members to a minority. A hint, they have like 19.8-20.7 followers.

[Space Merchant]

On 5/3/2019 at 2:01 PM, Matthew9969 said:

The apostle John certainly didn't dress to the nines, sand Jesus stripped down to his underwear when he washed the disciples feet.

His underwear? What? I do hope you mean his undergarments and not latter being literal. Do not make that same mistake Butler did. 

 

That being said, Jesus did in order teach humility to his disciples. Such a thing that he has done shocked them, for a task was done by a servant/slave, but it was Jesus, the one of whom they followed, did the washing.

[JOHN BUTLER]

@Space Merchant Nice to know you are thinking of me  

 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "UNDERWEAR" AND "UNDERGARMENTS"?

Was it customary for Jews in Jesus'  time to wear underwear AND undergarments>

Were there different styles of robes worn as "outer garments".

I used to go to the Mercer Road Congregation near Stone Mountain, Georgia, near Atlanta Georgia, which at that time was the world headquarters of the Klu Klux Klan, and they wore white sheets, and their governing body, The Grand Dragon, and his helpers, the Lounge Lizards, wore white fitted sheets.

[Space Merchant]

On 5/7/2019 at 4:35 AM, JOHN BUTLER said:

@Space Merchant Nice to know you are thinking of me  

Well anyone with a strong lack of textual criticism and textual basis not only jarrs the eyes, but the mind. In this regard, you are can can be used as an example fairly easily when ignorance of Scriptural forms and grammar is painfully present.

You said it best regarding Spiritual Wisdom, perhaps take your own advice and put this into application.

[Space Merchant]

On 5/8/2019 at 1:29 AM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "UNDERWEAR" AND "UNDERGARMENTS"?

There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE when it comes to the notion of Scripture. But the difference is very very little like a speck of dust to the modern English speaking man and or other.

On 5/8/2019 at 1:29 AM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Was it customary for Jews in Jesus'  time to wear underwear AND undergarments>

What?

On 5/8/2019 at 1:29 AM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Were there different styles of robes worn as "outer garments".

They didn't have anything fancy, that is for sure, unless you are the type to be a bit extra, like the leader of the Jews in that time and or rulers, lords, etc.

On 5/8/2019 at 1:29 AM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

I used to go to the Mercer Road Congregation near Stone Mountain, Georgia, near Atlanta Georgia, which at that time was the world headquarters of the Klu Klux Klan, and they wore white sheets, and their governing body, The Grand Dragon, and his helpers, the Lounge Lizards, wore white fitted sheets.

Well that is the things of today in your regard. The time of the Christ and people of that age, things were different.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

I had a long conversation with Caleb and Sophia, today about THEIR Creator, Tight Pants Tony, and Caleb was telling me how, in the 1950's his father knew TPT, before he went to Vietnam as an Army medic, and got some insight as to why Bro. Anthony has such an obsession about Brothers wearing tight pants.