Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

@TrueTomHarley  you are a laugh a minute. Really funny man. Being an author really shows through in your comments where you use your imagination well  .

1. Aurana was making accusations against me. It had nothing to do with me being unpopular.  They upvoted her lies in fact.

2. You know very well that if i had accepted the Elders 'offer' it would have come wwith strings attached.

36 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

you could have waited on Jehovah to rectify things

The point being Tom, that I do not believe that Almighty God is interested in 'rectifying things' in the immoral JW org. 

It wasn't a case if me being impatient, it was the case that my conscience would not allow me to remain in such a wicked place. 

40 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

you put yourself in a place where you can no longer remember how the death of Christ benefits humanity

What a stupid commnet that is. Come on Tom, you can do better than that. 

My point here is this. The GB speculate, or even boast, that they 'have a place in heaven'. They have said how they 'WILL' be taken up to heaven. Such pompus pigheadedness.  Whereas I realise that I AM a wicked sinner and i realise that there is no reason why I should be saved. I also think that my life is not so important where God's plan is concerned. Whereas JWs seem to worry about their own lives. 

47 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

nor how God’s name is universally pronounced in the Western world

Well actually Tom, God's name in the Western world is seen more as a Trinity. So if that is what you want so be it.

You see Tom, you are using false excuses. Just because a million poeple say X, it does not make X right.  You know yourself that if a lie is used often enough it somehow becomes seen as truth. Even one of your friends here uses the name Yehovah instead of Jehovah sometimes. But YHWH is scripturally correct. 

52 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

No wonder they want nothing to do with you.

They are told not to have anything to do with me. The Elder police keep a check on it.  Even to the point of phoning my Wife........... 

[xero]

Imagine yourself living at the end of the 1st and the beginning of the second century and you were in one of the seven congregations. Imagine the letter was read to you how Jesus viewed your congregation. You also got to hear what he had to say about the other congregations. If you thought the others were getting a better report, would you abandon your congregation to move to the one with the better report, or would you have stayed and helped to improve it? Or would you have abandoned the project of being a Christian entirely imagining wrongly that you could go it alone. "It's just me, Jesus and Jehovah against the world of darkness out there!", you might imagine to yourself. (and you'd be wrong).

You simply cannot be a Christian by yourself. You need the perpetual annoyances of the congregation to live up to the requirements. Oh, you might say to yourself "What about the baptists, the seventh day adventists, the christadelphians, the way or any other non-denomnational group. What about the catholics, lutherans, episcopalians, methodists, etc?" Well, I'd say, if you feel that these are better at following the bible, then you need to hook up with them ASAP and be a REAL Christian (if that's what these are and I'm not the ultimate judge) otherwise you're not a Christian, because you absolutely need to be attached to a congregation to be one.

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

10 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

……. worrying about “upvotes” and “downvotes” by people that you, yourself have rejected seems to me to be irrational and borderline insane.

It’like being obsessed with whether or not ghosts wear clothes.

Well you have a 'different' way of thinking James. Different hobbies too if I recall.

So why you need to comment here i don't know. 

irrational and borderline insane.  So is child porn. 

[Anna]

1 hour ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Is that the 'teaching' of the JW Org ? That even children should be 'tested' from inside the congregation. 

It is not the teaching of JW org. that anyone, child or adult, should be tested. 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

2 minutes ago, xero said:

or would you have stayed and helped to improve it?

It is not possible to improve the whole JW Org that is run by 8 'untouchable men'. 

It has been made clear on this forum that NO ONE can remove the GB, so therefore it's not possible to improve the Org. 

Those 8 men have complete control. They control the 'helpers' which in turn control others, which control the Elders of congregations. 

7 minutes ago, xero said:

otherwise you're not a Christian, because you absolutely need to be attached to a congregation to be one.

  Seems your faith is in that Org and in your congregation only.  A true Christian serves Almighty God through Yeshua. 

[xero]

42 minutes ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

It is not possible to improve the whole JW Org that is run by 8 'untouchable men'. 

It has been made clear on this forum that NO ONE can remove the GB, so therefore it's not possible to improve the Org. 

Those 8 men have complete control. They control the 'helpers' which in turn control others, which control the Elders of congregations. 

  Seems your faith is in that Org and in your congregation only.  A true Christian serves Almighty God through Yeshua. 

You can't do that if you aren't attached to some kind of congregation. The scriptures are absolutely clear on this. You can dispute WHICH congregation of people who consider themselves Christians you should be attached to, but you can't avoid the attachment. Not if you are a TRUE Christian. A person in regular attendance at a baptist church imagining Jesus is part of a trinity is closer to the truth than an EX-JW who imagines he can go it alone.

[Arauna]

2 hours ago, Anna said:

I think that Thinking was talking about problems and imperfection within the organization not from the outside.

I assumed that too! but maybe I put it a little clumsily.  I do not agree with brothers who do not think that imperfection can take place in the congregation - that is why I quoted JOB.  He was a  servant of Jehovah but that did not protect him.

[Arauna]

4 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I wanted to say that the concept applied to Job differs greatly when it comes to the majority of humanity, whether they are worshipers of the “true God” or not.

I would say that Satan attacks true worshippers more than those who are already on his side.  He has a kind of hate-OCD.   He just cannot leave them be.  He goes away for a while and then comes back again and again, 

[Arauna]

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

You brought it all on yourself, not necessarily by lapping up ill reports, but by your hastiness to assign wicked motives to your brothers.

so true - as well as your other points.  I hope he takes it to heart.  

[TrueTomHarley]

1 hour ago, Pudgy said:

……. worrying about “upvotes” and “downvotes” by people that you, yourself have rejected seems to me to be irrational and borderline insane.

It’like being obsessed with whether or not ghosts wear clothes.

Agreed!

That said, you flea-bitten mutt, if you ever downvote me I’m calling the pound.

[TrueTomHarley]

1 hour ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

They are told not to have anything to do with me. The Elder police keep a check on it.

I admit this is true. “What does Patiently Sitting on his Hands really have to say?” I ask myself 20 times a day. But every time I pick up my phone to call and elder glares in the window. “Don’t you even think it, TrueTom!” he orders.

1 hour ago, xero said:

Imagine yourself living at the end of the 1st and the beginning of the second century and you were in one of the seven congregations

“And to the congregation in WorldMedialand. What can I say? You put up with dodos, imposters, and saboteurs! What on earth is wrong with you?!”

 

1 hour ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

It has been made clear on this forum that NO ONE can remove the GB, so therefore it's not possible to improve the Org. 

Not even God? Where’s the faith? Just today at the Watchtower Study we met someone (Uzziah) whose downfall he caused. Seems to me the authority of the GB looms far larger to you than it does to any of the JWs you squabble with. The latter simply know that any project needs headship and feel overall that they’re doing an acceptable job. They don’t occupy anywhere near the place of prominence in our minds as they do in yours.

[TrueTomHarley]

41 minutes ago, Arauna said:

so true - as well as your other points.  I hope he takes it to heart.  

Not a chance. (unfortunately)

When you drift away, sometimes. When you stomp your feet leaving the sheepfold, less often. When you thereafter turn your flamethrower upon it….