Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?

[Srecko Sostar]

2 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

Then you never understood the Watchtower Literature or the bible. What you are saying, God "guided" the apostles even though they received the spirit of God to heal and raise the dead. To a Christian, those abilities are more than guidance. Therefore, a Christian will understand the difference between, direct and indirect.

Well I understand the difference that WTJWorg presents. By the 1st century some people could be “inspired” by God. After the 1st century, no one is “inspired” anymore. 

This is what WTJWorg teach. Today GB say how they and no single JW are "inspired" but only "guided". 

10 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

Therefore, you believe the Watchtower is conveying, god's Holy Spirit stopped after the first century, is this correct? Can you give me an example of this?

I have nothing to believe or disbelieve. WTJWorg claims they are not “inspired”, but only "guided".

The conclusion is that GB believes that the “gifts of the spirit” that arose under “inspiration” ceased in the 1st century. 

They do not claim that the "fruits of the spirit" are created under "inspiration", but that they develop with the effort of the individual through keeping the principles and reading the Bible and praying to God.

 There are different kinds of gifts. But they are all given to believers by the same Spirit.  There are different ways to serve. But they all come from the same Lord.  There are different ways the Spirit works. But the same God is working in all these ways and in all people.

⁷ The Holy Spirit is given to each of us in a special way. That is for the good of all.  To some people the Spirit gives a message of wisdom. To others the same Spirit gives a message of knowledge.  To others the same Spirit gives faith. To others that one Spirit gives gifts of healing.  To others he gives the power to do miracles. To others he gives the ability to prophesy. To others he gives the ability to tell the spirits apart. To others he gives the ability to speak in different kinds of languages they had not known before. And to still others he gives the ability to explain what was said in those languages. All the gifts are produced by one and the same Spirit. He gives gifts to each person, just as he decides. - 1. Cor 12

From this it can be concluded that HS determines what it will give to whom in form of "gifts". There are no such limits to the "fruits of the spirit", but everyone in congregation is called to overcome sinful desires replaced by "fruits".

"Gifts" are  something we received.

"Fruits" are something we achieved.

 

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

Rebellious Angels are indeed active.

 

25 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

7 For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want.

If we have a “sinful nature” then the influence of evil angels is in the background. They are not the cause of our evil actions.

SM claim demons are active. What are the proportions/ratio, between/of our nature and their evil presence, when we as people doing bad things?

[Space Merchant]

7 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Well I understand the difference that WTJWorg presents. By the 1st century some people could be “inspired” by God. After the 1st century, no one is “inspired” anymore. 

People are still led by the Spirit, they're aware of this. Inspiration in terms of healing and raising the dead and or have visions are no more.

This was from Witness' original post, in which you were involved too:

On 3/18/2022 at 11:30 AM, Space Merchant said:

A normal, Spirit led Prophet who is clearly not inspired and not infallible have the gifts of the spirit regarding prophesying. It is regarded as dominant, the ability for one to profess in spreading the good news gospel of the Kingdom and the Messianic Age of the coming Christ, such of which gives evidence of the holy spirit's role as seen in Scripture, Matthew 24:14, Luke 4:18, Acts 2:18, 19 and Romans 12:6-8. Such ones with spiritual gifts have that is of what is cultivated, or cultivated gifts as some would say.

A prophet that isn't inspired and is not infallible in the message knows isn't the author of anything other than the Bible, they recognize that what they produce is of their own design but remain faithful to the Scriptures in of itself, this includes ALL Bible Translations because none of the translators or transliteratiors are not inspired, the very reason that most, if not all, tend to make revisions after revisions, example like you not knowing (but have used already) what the TR 1245 is and unaware that all translations, even that of JWs, have been revised, thus omitting anything related to the TR 1245, hence my clear view and adherence on Textual Criticism.

A not inspired prophet, or in this case, a normal prophet is encouraged by God's Word, if not, even moved by it. They show and express a genuine love for God and are moved to take action, just as those of old and our church fathers have. They are guided by God by means of influence and thinking, and our speech as with actions by means of the power of His Spirit and His Word, as can be evident by Matthew 13:11, 24:14.

 

[Space Merchant]

Just now, Srecko Sostar said:

SM claim demons are active. What are the proportions/ratio, between/of our nature and their evil presence, when we as people doing bad things?

It is no claim, it is fact. Some were cast to Earth along with Satan, others were locked away in Tartarus, imprisoned until the time of Judgment, of which Jesus himself gave such a message to them.

Demons are associated with Spiritism, the Occult; Ritualism. They can influence and manifest in persons.

As for sinful nature, that is in association with man's imperfect. Fallen Angels can entice such things in a man, even towards ill intent. Reasons why those who fall, seek God's aid, those who fell and wish to come back to God, do the same, but a man who falls and does not get back up, he is consumed by his sins, and is in the hands of the Fallen, mainly if the effort to get out of such a grip is no more.

[Srecko Sostar]

11 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

It is no claim, it is fact.

How will you prove the fact?

[Space Merchant]

29 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

How will you prove the fact?

The Bible is both fact and true in it's Word, Srecko.

 

The War in Heaven; Jesus' Kingship

Revelation 12:9 - And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

As for the ones in Tartarus, it is obvious as to why some of them were sent there, we can start with Genesis,

Genesis 6:2 - the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.

Peter brought this up as well

2 Peter 2:4  - For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell [Tartarus] and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;

Then there is Jesus

1 Peter 3:18-20 - [18] For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, [19] in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, [20] because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.

Jude 6 (Ref.) - And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—

How did you miss this???

That being said, concerning the War in Heaven this was addressed to you, several times.

 

[Dmitar]

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Well I understand the difference that WTJWorg presents. By the 1st century some people could be “inspired” by God. After the 1st century, no one is “inspired” anymore. 

This is what WTJWorg teach. Today GB say how they and no single JW are "inspired" but only "guided". 

This is why, the word definition needs to be correctly understood with the inclination toward spirituality.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

They do not claim that the "fruits of the spirit" are created under "inspiration", but that they develop with the effort of the individual through keeping the principles and reading the Bible and praying to God.

Then a better understanding of what God's Holy Spirit is and how it's received should be the point of order.

*** ws18 February, pp. 29-30 Joy—A Quality We Acquire From God ***
Can a Christian who is already joyful get even more joy? Jesus said: “These things I have spoken to you, so that my joy may be in you and your joy may be made full.” (John 15:11) This shows that we can always get more joy. We can compare our joy to a fire. If we want a fire to get hotter, we must add more wood to it. Remember: Holy Spirit helps us to have joy. So if we want more joy, we need to keep asking for God’s spirit through prayer. We must also keep meditating on the Bible, which was inspired by the Holy Spirit.—Psalm 1:1, 2; Luke 11:13.
 

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

From this it can be concluded that HS determines what it will give to whom in form of "gifts". There are no such limits to the "fruits of the spirit", but everyone in congregation is called to overcome sinful desires replaced by "fruits".

Then you are confusing the issue.

 

 

[Dmitar]

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

If we have a “sinful nature” then the influence of evil angels is in the background. They are not the cause of our evil actions.

This is a choice every one needs to make. We are imperfect (sinful), but do we need to "act" upon that sin, negatively? We give ourselves justifications and excuses for our behavior. That's why the application of the inspired word is vital, so we don't succumb to such temptations of being weak.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

SM claim demons are active. What are the proportions/ratio, between/of our nature and their evil presence, when we as people doing bad things?

With everything you see around you, how can you disprove demons are not active? People with weak minds can easily be influenced by evil.

[Dmitar]

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

Some were cast to Earth along with Satan, others were locked away in Tartarus, imprisoned until the time of Judgment, of which Jesus himself gave such a message to them.

There should be a clarification for better understanding with this statement.

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

The Bible is both fact and true in it's Word, Srecko.

 

The War in Heaven; Jesus' Kingship

Revelation 12:9 - And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

As for the ones in Tartarus, it is obvious as to why some of them were sent there, we can start with Genesis,

Genesis 6:2 - the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.

Peter brought this up as well

2 Peter 2:4  - For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell [Tartarus] and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;

Then there is Jesus

1 Peter 3:18-20 - [18] For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, [19] in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, [20] because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.

Jude 6 (Ref.) - And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—

How did you miss this???

That being said, concerning the War in Heaven this was addressed to you, several times.

 

Nice, but what evidence You are able to give for proof? You just interpreted some verses and show how you do believe in their fulfillment about present events. You showed your faith as evidence for claim. 

I can accept or denied fact that you have faith in things you spoke.

How can you prove there was war in heaven? 

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, Dmitar said:

This shows that we can always get more joy.

Confused about such claim. 

1 hour ago, Dmitar said:

We can compare our joy to a fire. 

Let see how.

1 hour ago, Dmitar said:

If we want a fire to get hotter, we must add more wood to it.

Ah well. If we want more joy, we must add more:

-money to our bank account

-books in our library

-roses in our garden

.......... etc.

That is logic?

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

On 3/19/2022 at 12:27 PM, Space Merchant said:

Mainstream ideas tend to get the best of you.

You seem to pluck crazy thoughts out of no where SM. My 'ideas' are my own thank you.