Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority

[Srecko Sostar]

48 minutes ago, Gone Fishing said:

any rational thought

-anything what person can imagine is reality -

Before God created things, first he was had;

thought
idea
imagination

Do not forget this.

My imagination is not crazy as you think. Rational ideas are in there :)))  

[Srecko Sostar]

52 minutes ago, Gone Fishing said:

Yeah, you're a legend ........in your own mind!

ahhaahha NOOO Fisher.... it is in your mind ...you said, "you're legend"  :)))) i was never said that for myself.

Few more of your statements like this and you will come to be Legend :))))  

[Noble Berean]

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

He will pummel you nonetheless. That fellow knows law. Don't try to peddle emotion disguised as law before him,  because @Allen Smith will catch you at it every time.

Protest "pummelling," - my foot. It is not exactly badmitten anyone else is playing here. Even you have stepped over the line of sheer pleasantry.

How so? I've been very polite and respectful

[TrueTomHarley]

37 minutes ago, Noble Berean said:

How so? I've been very polite and respectful

Relative to some others, you are a saint, I admit. Sorry.

[Shiwiii]

On 11/19/2017 at 9:14 AM, TrueTomHarley said:

G. Jackson indicated to the ARC that he would welcome the modified statement: legally mandated across the board, and not just applied retroactively when you want to apply it to someone you don't like.

Why can't Mr. Jackson make the changes within the org himself instead of waiting on secular gov't make him do it?

Why wouldn't he/they do this for the protection of the children? 

[Srecko Sostar]

13 minutes ago, Shiwiii said:

Why can't Mr. Jackson make the changes within the org himself instead of waiting on secular gov't make him do it?

Why wouldn't he/they do this for the protection of the children? 

Legal Department and other board directors aka GB must vote before final decision. It is Company.

[TrueTomHarley]

18 minutes ago, Shiwiii said:

Why can't Mr. Jackson make the changes within the org himself instead of waiting on secular gov't make him do it?

It is in the thread. You have been silent for some time. Read up on what you have missed.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

11 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

It’s the responsibility of the parents, and then the community to protect those that can’t defend themselves from evil!!!!

Are Jehovah's Witnesses a part of the community?

As the ARC pointed out .... matters not reported to the police as a matter of NATURAL CONSCIENCE ... puts the community as a whole at risk .... not JUST Jehovah's Witnesses.

[Anna]

This information is publicly available from court transcripts and records:

The $4000/day sanctions refer to Osbaldo Padron/Gonzalo Campos trial where Irwin Zalkin is seeking documents in order to build his case against WT.

The perpetrator, Gonzalo Campos, (baptized in 1980, appointed a ministerial servant in 1988,  elder in 1993 and serving as  a pioneer for several years) allegedly molested at least 8 known children in various congregations between 1982 and 1995. In 2010 he fled to Mexico.

6 of these cases against WT were settled out of court. The 7th case was the victim Jose Lopez, who was awarded 13.5 million by the WT, and the last, 8th case, is the victim Osbaldo Padron.

Zalkin is seeking proof that WT was aware of Campo’s first child molestation (or the allegation thereof) and that despite this knowledge, Campos managed to molest at least 7 more victims in several congregations.  WT allegedly was told of the first case of molestation in 1982, by the victim, and made a record of it. This is one of the records Zalkin wants.

Further, the key to the Padron/Campos investigation is a letter that was sent to the body of elders in 1997 based on the 1991 Kingdom Ministry Question box which states:

 "When a publisher moves to another area, what should be done to assist in the transfer to a new congregation?

As soon as a publisher arrives from another congregation, the congregation secretary should obtain from the publisher the name of his former congregation and the name and address of the secretary of that congregation. He should then write to the secretary of the former congregation, requesting the Congregation’s Publisher Record card and a letter of introduction. The secretary receiving this request should respond without delay.—See Organized to Accomplish Our Ministry, pages 104-5. etc......."

 According to Zalkin, those “transfer” or “introduction” letters with regard to Gonzalo Campos would prove that WT knew about Gonzalo Campo’s previous molestations.

It is those transfer/introduction letters that are costing us $4000/day.

If I am not mistaken, Zalkin is asking for every transfer/introduction letter the elders have ever written in every congregation since 1982

WT did apparently oblige, and did make available some letters, however they were apparently so heavily redacted, that they were of no use. (the names of perpetrators, congregations, as well as the addresses and contact information of the congregation, towns where abuse occurred, and law enforcement agencies that investigated claims were all redacted).

The court is not expecting to know the names of the elders handling the cases, nor the names of the victims.

 

 

[Srecko Sostar]

13 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

It’s the responsibility of the parents, and then the community to protect those that canÂ’t defend themselves from evil!!!!

You put lot of efforts, time, patience to bring many reading  material in your comment.

After all this, one thing is need to be answered and you avoid that. Does JW org have inside problems with child molestation or JW org are free of that evil thing?

Second, about your sentence i quote above. Yes, there is some order of how things should be, what is natural inside human interactions in family and society. You missed one little detail in this. Parents are mainly responsible for children, for sure. But Elders are responsible, for parents and by that to their family, inside congregational structure. Structure of congregation (and  structure of WT Company as that entity who run all congregations around the world) is based on elements that is not made by some parents. Rules, obligations, expectations and much more, inside congregation is powered by elders who are agents of WT Company. So, elders are those who have obligation to warn congregants when found they have person inside who are threat for children or adults. And we all know how elders are instructed not to tell and warn congregation about child molester who are in congregation. So please be more .... be more something, hahahaha, chose by yourselfalone what you want to be "more" ....but only in positive direction. 

Best regards!   

    

[Srecko Sostar]

4 minutes ago, Anna said:

This information is publicly available from court transcripts and records:

I am glad that you put this as honored member of JW community here. If I have had done this i would received some comments how i twisted words :))))))))))) and have bad motives, ahahhaa. 

[Anna]

1 minute ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I am glad that you put this as honored member of JW community here. If I have had done this i would received some comments how i twisted words :))))))))))) and have bad motives, ahahhaa. 

Well (this has become one of my favorite quotes lately) the truth is truth no matter who says it