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If you are IN: The G.B. really knows how to put our money to better use. The end can't be far off now!

If your OUT: The G.B. is losing money hand over fist. They must do more with less. THE END CAN'T BE FAR OFF NOW!

JWs...WAKE UP. The end can't be far off now.

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Pretty soon it’ll be:

“Faithful Christian parents of selfless Bethelite volunteers cheerfully provide their devoted children physical food for the nourishment of their bodies, while Jehovah graciously sustains them spiritually. A faithful brother in Norway cheerfully notes, “ It’s a privilege to send food to my adult children who are working hard for Jehovah and the brotherhood around the world alongside so many of Jehovah’s young faithful ones. Its a blessing from Jehovah to be able to aleve the Society of this burden.”

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Admin,

Are you really witnesses running this site because if you were this Jack Ryan would have his membership revoked, clearly an Apostate, get a life and move on mate!! 

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limmy:

and with that philosophy, clearly the Allied Forces mobilized to push back the Germans should have never bothered, to preserve the Unity and Tranquility in Europe under Nazi Occupation, and the glories of German Civilization.

When the Nation you love and hold dear to your heart ... and we ARE A NATION ... without land territory ... is overrun with leadership that are ... in their own words ( In the Feb., 2017 Watchtower) "neither inspired or God, or infallible". (DUH!) that is not a good time to be a "Good German".

Remember ... according to the Theocratic Organization ruling at the time of Jesus' time on Earth ... HE was an Apostate.

Jack Ryan is an apostate, and apparently an atheist... but TRUE is true ..... no matter what the source.

As Winston Churchill said to his wife in the latter part of World War II, when she threatened to leave him .... (paraphrased) "Please forgive me... the only thing I know how to do is FIGHT.".

 

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The Governing body and the Apostles in the first century were also infallible!! Never the less they would not tolerate such talk! Also in line with your comments about Jesus. Paul to was accused of Apostasy by the religious leaders against the mosaic law!

As we know in the Christian Greek Scriptures Apostasy  is used primarily with regard to religious defection; a withdrawal or abandonment of the true cause, worship, and service of God, and hence an abandonment of what one has previously professed and a total desertion of principles or faith!! If you can condone such behaviour and justify such comments then you also need to rethink where you are heading or are at!!

 Remember, it is evident that there is a distinction between a ‘falling’ due to weakness and the ‘falling away’ that constitutes apostasy. The latter implies a definite and willful withdrawal from the path of righteousness.  Whatever its apparent basis, whether intellectual, moral, or spiritual, it constitutes a rebellion against God and a rejection of his Word of truth!!    

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On 11/30/2018 at 4:15 AM, limmy said:

Admin,

Are you really witnesses running this site because if you were this Jack Ryan would have his membership revoked, clearly an Apostate, get a life and move on mate!! 

Limmy, you have to know the players here. Admin is not a Witness. The Librarian is, but he is certainly not a typical one. Call him avant- garde. Few Witnesses here are typical. This is not Bethel. Apostates, real and imagined, are free to come and go. And JTR would make Rambo blush.

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19 hours ago, limmy said:

Apostles in the first century were also infallible

Somewhere is written how all of them, or at least some of them, was inspired while speaking, writing and doing some deeds , or they did not? Perhaps i misunderstand some Bible verses. But in moment of inspiration by god, you can not be infallible.. or you can be?  Yes, various bible scholars teaching something opposite than some other scholars. 

About Governing Body. This class (Management group) was not existing in 1 Congregation. But in every group some people want to be First and Leaders, that is true. :)))

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Some people that want and have  the job of being our masters, guides, instructors, teachers, judges  ... and policemen ... are highly competent, and have the very best of intentions ... but if none of that is true ... they STILL intend to be our masters, guides, instructors and teachers, judges ... and policemen.

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@limmy  Apostasy is the formal disaffiliation from, or abandonment or renunciation of a religion by a person.

Not necessarily turning away from God, but turning away from a 'religion' 

Jehovah's Witnesses are a religion. but they do not have a monopoly on God. 

Monopoly the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service

Quote: " Paul to was accused of Apostasy by the religious leaders against the mosaic law! "

So no problem in being called an apostate then is there ?  Even Jesus was apostate to the way that God had told the Nation of Israel to serve Him. Turning away from the old, turning toward the new. 

We can tell you are a newbie, you have much to learn.  May you have peace though. 

 

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To quote Sean Connery as James Bond in the movie "Goldfinger":

" ..... Never was a man more misunderstood! ..... "

I understand this, as with my size and appearance, and to avoid being misunderstood by curious neighbors ... I cannot dig holes in my back yard at night, in the rain, with a flashlight.

 

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I'm only on here this evening as I'm wanting someone to buy the big pram / baby carriage I have on a Buy It Now on ebay UK. I need to be doing something whilst I'm hoping, so this is a good a place as any.  I did say a while back I'm no longer taking it seriously. 

Being on here is helping my keyboard skills, and I was hoping it would improve my spelling too. But ¼ to 10 pm, washing up in the sink, i should go do my job. Wife cooks, i wash up.... Don't look like I'm selling anything tonight, so it's goodnight from me.  Stay cool y'all. 

 

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23 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

I'm only on here this evening as I'm wanting someone to buy the big pram / baby carriage I have on a Buy It Now on ebay UK. I need to be doing something whilst I'm hoping, so this is a good a place as any.  I did say a while back I'm no longer taking it seriously. 

Here in the United States we call them "Baby Buggys". 

I understand in the UK, they call the hood of a car, which covers the engine compartment a "bonnet".

The best way to make a baby buggy, is to continuously tickle its feet.

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1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

We can tell you are a newbie, you have much to learn.

That's a bit rich. You are demonstrating that you area newbie from the nonsense you talk about Jesus being apostate to the way that God had told the Nation of Israel to serve Him.

Don't be deceived @limmy, you ain't gonna learn anything from this John Butler guy, newbie or not. It's through meeting  people like this in the "truth", (and there are a few), that  others go apostate.

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12 hours ago, Outta Here said:

That's a bit rich. You are demonstrating that you area newbie from the nonsense you talk about Jesus being apostate to the way that God had told the Nation of Israel to serve Him.

Don't be deceived @limmy, you ain't gonna learn anything from this John Butler guy, newbie or not. It's through meeting  people like this in the "truth", (and there are a few), that  others go apostate.

@Outta Here   You didn't seem to disagree with JTR Jr, though when he said this

 Quote : "Remember according to the Theocratic Organization ruling at the time of Jesus' time on Earth ... HE was an Apostate."  

God had placed the religious leaders over the Nation of Israel as spiritual guides but Jesus told them they were hypocrites and 'from their father the devil'  John 8 v 44

  You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father

  • I think that proves my point of Jesus being apostate to those that were supposed to be the spiritual leaders. 
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12 hours ago, Outta Here said:

That's a bit rich. You are demonstrating that you area newbie from the nonsense you talk about Jesus being apostate to the way that God had told the Nation of Israel to serve Him.

Don't be deceived @limmy, you ain't gonna learn anything from this John Butler guy, newbie or not. It's through meeting  people like this in the "truth", (and there are a few), that  others go apostate.

As for your idea of the 'truth' and i quote  " It's through meeting  people like this in the "truth", (and there are a few), that  others go apostate."

The JW Org is not the 'truth'. Calling it the 'truth' is just a sales gimmick.  Please remember who and what the truth really is. And i back this up from scripture at John 14 v 6

  Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

The JW Org and it's Governing Body are NOT the truth. And Jesus clearly states that NO ONE comes to the Father (Almighty God) except through him (Jesus Christ). 

The JW Org can be likened to a Taxi cab, taking you on a journey. If it was going in the right direction then you would stay in that Taxi no matter what the cost.  However once you know that the Taxi is going in the wrong direction, you get out of it as soon as possible. 

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4 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

"truth"

You quoted my "scare quotes" I note. Better check their usage before you take your "Taxi" too far in the wrong direction!

5 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

You didn't seem to disagree with JTR Jr,

But you know that things are not always what they "seem" to be, are they?

5 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

I think that proves my point of Jesus being apostate to those that were supposed to be the spiritual leaders. 

This is more of the faulty logic. Jesus was never apostate to those that were supposed to be spiritual leaders. Even your own insipid definition of apostasy confirms this. They may have believed him to be an apostate ..but they were as wrong as you are.

This isn't really conforming to the thread subject. Perhaps a discussion on the meaning of the term apostasy would be more appropriate elsewhere.

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@Outta Here Quote This isn't really conforming to the thread subject. Perhaps a discussion on the meaning of the term apostasy would be more appropriate elsewhere. 

Yes, but you would never agree with me on anything. It seems to be just the way you are. 

"You quoted my "scare quotes" I note. "  I quoted it straight from your comment. 

Have a good day whomever you are. Hiding behind a pussy cat :) and no real name.  Doesn't quite show up as genuine really. but if it keeps you happy so be it.   

 

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2 hours ago, Outta Here said:

They may have believed ....but they were as wrong as ....

I would like to say how this few words can explain many things that happened in Jesus case and also in today life of people who are believers and participate in some organized religion.  

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5 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

so be it

Amen to that.

5 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

"You quoted my "scare quotes" I note."  I quoted it straight from your comment. 

I think that's what I said? Learn what they are before you extrapolate.

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3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I would like to say how this few words can explain many things that happened in Jesus case and also in today life of people who are believers and participate in some organized religion.  

Good comment, but I wouldn't limit it to those who are believers and participate in some organized religion.

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7 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Hiding behind a pussy cat :) and no real name.  Doesn't quite show up as genuine really

Just because someone goes by their real name would that make them more genuine? I know your name but you could be saying a whole load of deceptive hogwash, lol.  On these kind of forums it's the contents of what one says that is more important than who says them. It also helps to discuss ideas and comments rather than the people who make them. 😊

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40 minutes ago, Anna said:

Just because someone goes by their real name would that make them more genuine? I know your name but you could be saying a whole load of deceptive hogwash, lol.  On these kind of forums it's the contents of what one says that is more important than who says them. It also helps to discuss ideas and comments rather than the people who make them. 😊

I have a feeling that if Top Cat O’Malihan could remember how is username is spelled, he’d have something to say about this.

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13 hours ago, Outta Here said:

At least you know when you're beat John Butler. That's why I don't think you're a bad man...yet!

I didn't realise it was a competition. I'm not a competitive person, it goes against Christian standards. 

To quote Joe Cocker, 'I'm just a man whos intentions are good, oh, please don't let me be misunderstood. :) 

Have a good day. 

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Ha Ha so it's not only me that takes this forum as a joke. 

As for @Anna 's comment 11 hours ago (by UK time ) Anna of course you have the right to your own opinion. And I have the right to disagree with you. So, I disagree with you. 

Sorry @Jack Ryan  We are so so far off topic here. I do apologise.   Sorry @admin It just sorta happens..

In seriousness, I hope everyone is as well as can be expected (within their personal circumstances) and hope you all have a good day.

I'm very lucky (should I use the word lucky ?) as all is well here in Devon England, well in this household anyway. And i presume things are ok with most folks that have time and comfort to sit at a computer and converse like this :) .........    

 

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20 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Not Joe Cocker.

But still . . .

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31 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

But still . . .

  • A version by
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Actually, didn’t Trump sing the song? And Obama. And Bush. And Clinton. It’s the perfect line for anyone who wants to get the pundits off his back.

 

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3 minutes ago, Outta Here said:

Being "beat" doesn't necessarily reference a competition........it could be construed as an evidence of modesty!

Ya cannot be beat if ya didn't compete :) 

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20 hours ago, Outta Here said:

Good comment, but I wouldn't limit it to those who are believers and participate in some organized religion.

Thanks. Agree with you. Limitation in my comment is only because of character of subject and Title of this issue and because participants of Forum  who are in most religious persons or have interest in religious/spiritual thematic. :)

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2 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Ya cannot be beat if ya didn't compete :) 

But you can beat someones' hide! Wait a minute that's tan. Ok you can beat the living daylights out of someone

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10 minutes ago, Anna said:

But you can beat someones' hide! Wait a minute that's tan. Ok you can beat the living daylights out of someone

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But we wouldn't would we ? Peace 

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On 12/3/2018 at 3:07 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

But we wouldn't would we ? Peace 

I don't know, sometimes its helps to knock some sense into someone xD

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      12 If at any time a publisher informs the elders that he wishes to revoke his consent for the congregation to use his personal data, two elders should call the Service Department immediately. The secretary should write the date of revocation on top of the Notice and Consent for Use of Personal Data form.
      NOTICE AND CONSENT FOR USE OF PERSONAL DATA: S-290-E (March 2018)
      Upon becoming a publisher, I acknowledge that the worldwide religious organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses, including my congregation, local branch office, and similar cooperating organizations of Jehovah’s Witnesses, lawfully uses my personal data in accordance with its legitimate religious interests. Additionally, I consent to the use of my personal data so that I may participate in some religious activities in connection with my worship and so that I may receive spiritual support. I also agree that my personal data may be sent to any of the cooperating organizations of Jehovah’s Witnesses, which may be located in countries whose laws provide different levels of data protection, that are not always equivalent to the level of data protection in the country in which I currently reside. I have been informed about and had the opportunity to read the Use of Personal Data page available in the Privacy Policy section of jw.org and available to me as a hard copy upon request. I consent to the use of my personal data as stated on that page and as it may be amended from time to time.
      Signature: _____________ Print name: _____________
      Date: __________
      I, as the parent or legal guardian of the minor named above, consent to the above Notice and Con-sent for Use of Personal Data on behalf of the minor.
      Signature: _____________ Print name: _____________
      Date: __________
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      March 31, 2018 - Re: General Data Protection Regulation
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