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C. T. Russell was labeled as an apostate by the Adventists in 1877


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As you know JWs do not stick to dogmas like other churches. We continue to grow spiritually to new insights. What Franz said 60 years ago has nothing to do with how circuit overseers now appoint elders.

The precedent is in there the bible but the slave  did not seem to notice it then..... so they have corrected themselves.... nothing wrong with that.

You, on the other hand have remained stuck in the past somewhere with old grudges etc. Nonsensical  production of old things.... I 

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My wife has a cousin who is SDA and she still drops by fairly often, because she travels a long way from her home to a church in the town neighboring ours. She enjoys the religious discussions, althou

1877_Advent_Christian_Times_Barbour_Russell.pdf They stated that Russell was causing divisions in adventists circles that he was preaching a different gospel/doctrine to

I love this too! Where are the seventh day adventists today? Has there been any spiritual growth?  Have you spoken to one lately?  They are still clinging to the mosaic law - but only parts of it

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13 hours ago, Arauna said:

As you know JWs do not stick to dogmas like other churches.

Watchtower dogma is evident in your words:

15 hours ago, Arauna said:

The point is not who organized Paul's personal ministry and who chose him ....but who he himself was subject to report to. In proof: He went all the way back to Jerusalem to go and report to the "body" that was making central decisions about circumcision of former pagans now in the congregation. All that travelling to report to an organization headed by James in Jerusalem?  It indicates he viewed  himself as subject to them and their opinions mattered for the unity if all the congregations. 

You are saying that Paul was to subject himself to a group of men, just as your organization demands subjection to a ruling authority.  Scripture proves otherwise, not only by those I have already presented above, but by the circumcision issue itself.

The problem began in Jerusalem.  Obviously your “central organization/body/committee"  was unable to keep a handle on rebellious ones; so much so that they came down from Jerusalem and Judea into Antioch, pressing that circumcision was necessary for salvation.  Acts 14:2; 15:2   Holy Spirit was the source of preaching to the Gentiles.  Any tolerance to those who rejected the inclusion of the Gentiles, were acting against the direction of Holy Spirit.  

Acts 15:1,2:  And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” Therefore, when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas and certain others of them should go up to Jerusalem, to the apostles and elders, about this question.

 

The congregation in Antioch, which included Paul and Barnabas, made the unanimous decision (not just 8 men, even in Antioch) to approach the older men in Jerusalem.  Paul did not submit to any demand from Jerusalem.

 The entire congregation in Jerusalem welcomed Paul and Barnabas, and listened to the account of their work guided by God. Acts 15:4,12  So, where was a governing body, telling these powerful, spiritual men what to do and when to say it?   Read the entire chapter, and notice that it was “the whole church”, not a select few, who came to the decision to send a letter, and approve of what to include in it, which was then sent to Antioch.  Acts 15:22-29  

Paul was always true to his words; never subjecting himself to anyone but Jesus Christ.  Each anointed one in Christ is subject to only one Master; not to the rules and regulations of a false authority.  

Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men?  Col 2:20-22

DOGMA - 

prescribed doctrine proclaimed as unquestionably true by a particular group

a specific tenet or doctrine authoritatively laid down, as by a church

Watchtower's dogma of a necessary existence of a governing body is not a spiritual insight from God; but a lie, according to God's Word.   Luke 22:24-27

 

 

 

 

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