New Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Pandemic (aka WuFlu)

[JW Insider]

7 hours ago, admin said:

most recover.... but the numbers are still bad.

I thought the chart posted here (below) was interesting. The CDC says that for the United States, 6,600 people died during the 2019-2020 flu season, since about November, basically. 80,000 people died during the 2017-2018 flu season. Flu deaths in the US usually range from 10,000 to 60,000 every year. In the UK it's basically 0 to 10,000. In China it's 0 to 50,000, which is relatively small considering their population is about 4 times the size of the United States.
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[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

Meanwhile, 1.2 million people a year are being killed by mosquitoes, and a hundred million infected with various levels of disease, many permanently crippled .... and there is no panic anywhere!

gimmee a break!

[JW Insider]

10 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Meanwhile, 1.2 million people a year are being killed by mosquitoes, . . . .... and there is no panic anywhere!

There would be if these mosquitoes could be traced to China or Russia. Prejudice and racism drive a lot of the hype. Not that this isn't a particularly potent virus, but when 80,000 died from the 2017-18 flu season in the U.S., the Western world was not mapping and charting and reporting in the papers.

[admin]

Airport screening info from Clade X

Based on real world results from Ebola, SARS, & swine flu :

An article from Gostic et al summarizes the results of several studies looking at the effectiveness of airport screening measures during past infectious disease outbreaks.1 In 2009 H1N1, about 1.5 million people were screened in 3 countries with only 22 positive results. For SARS in 2003, more than 3 million people were screened, and no cases were identified. Likewise, for Ebola, more than 36,000 people were screened at airports and no cases were identified as a result.1 These numbers suggest that airport screening is ineffective

Gostic et al provide several reasons for why infected individuals may pass through fever screening undetected, including:

• Those recently infected might still be asymptomatic (viral incubation periods may vary considerably) but could be spreading the disease to those around them.

• Not all infected people may present with a fever.

• Passengers may be taking medication to suppress symptoms.

(PDF) http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/events/2018_clade_x_exercise/pdfs/Clade-X-fever-screening.pdf

As I anticipated, they are fully aware that airport screening is simply a feel good measure, the same way TSA makes it look like the government is doing something.

[admin]

Eric Toner, MD ; Senior Scholar, Senior Scientist @ Johns Hopkins

Eric Toner: "Frankly, I think that it's too late. I think that even before the outbreak was discovered it was already out of control."

News Anchor: "Interesting take there."

Link to the news: https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/video/johns-hopkins-toner-says-china-223658033.html

Biography of Eric Toner: http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-people/toner/

[Isabella]

Major US airlines expand flight cancellations to China and Hong Kong

American Airlines and Delta Air Lines announced more flight cancellations to China on Saturday as coronavirus cases continued to rise.

Delta said it will suspend flights between the United States and China starting on Sunday until at least April 30, according to a press release. 

That's four days earlier than it had initially planned. Delta's last China-bound flight left on Saturday, February 1, and its final returning flight from China to the United States leaves on Sunday. 

Delta moved the date up after the US State Department warned that people should not travel to China due to concerns about the spread of coronavirus, which was first discovered in Wuhan, Hubei province, in December. 

United Airlines -- which announced that it will suspend flights to Beijing, Chengdu and Shanghai from February 6 -- is also reducing flights from the US to Hong Kong.

https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-02-20-intl-hnk/index.html

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

From Wikipedia:

"1938 Yellow River flood

Main article: 1938 Yellow River flood

In June 1938, during the Second Sino-Japanese War, the Nationalist troops under Chiang Kai-shek intentionally broke the levees of the Yellow River near Huayuankou[3] to slow the advance of the Japanese army. Although several thousand Japanese troops were drowned, 12 million Chinese were affected, nearly 900,000 of them dying.[4]

Reason for breaching the dike

As the Japanese had been reported to have taken the city of Kaifeng, many of the dikes near Zhengzhou were along the path the Japanese would take if they wanted to capture the city of Wuhan. This was the triggering idea for the Nationalist troops as they pictured the Yellow River being a military tool to stop the advancement of the Japanese. The plan of attack by Chiang and his subordinates was to breach the dikes that withheld the mass amount of water from pouring into the 500-square mile area of central China. However while this long-term idea was in full swing, Chiang’s dilemma stood behind the thought of the many lives that stood past the dikes. This dilemma was thought of in two ways, the first being if he were to breach the dikes then he would be spreading death, wiping hundreds of thousands of people. The other thought was if he didn’t break the dikes then Wuhan would collapse within days. In all a decision was needed quickly and eventually was made as Chiang gave the orders to General Wei Rulin to blow up a dike holding the Yellow River near Henan. As this order was put in place the first few attempts stood no match for the army between June 4 and 6 1938 as the structure was too durable. While the attempts failed left and right, “hour by hour, the Japanese were moving closer.” [5]"

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To try and stop the advance of the Japanese .. the Chinese killed 900,000 of THEIR OWN PEOPLE, and subjected 12 million to destruction and hardship of every sort ... to kill several thousand Japanese troops.

....makes you wonder ... what might REALLY be going on now, in Wuhan.

[admin]

@James Thomas Rook Jr.  That is just insane.  

Another take is that while The Who is praising China's model way of quarantining..... the west cannot do many of the same things legally.

 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

When I was 9 years old, I got Scarlet Fever, and the Norfolk, Virginia Heath Department put a quarantine sign on our house, forbidding anyone to enter or leave ... so I took the screen out of the back window, lowered myself onto  our elevated furnace oil tank on stilts, held on to the filler pipe, and dropped to the ground ... and went to play with all my friends.

....... so much for quarantines.

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[admin]

20,000 + infected..... I still think the damage to the economy is going to really hit hard in the months to come. Someone told me today that March in the US will hit hard.....

Brace for impact!

[Isabella]

Virus threatens U.S. companies’ supply of Chinese-made parts and materials

The battle to contain the Chinese coronavirus threatens to cut off U.S. companies from parts and materials they need to produce iPhones, automobiles and appliances and drugs to treat medical conditions including Alzheimer’s disease, high blood pressure and malaria.

Some of the United States’ best-known manufacturers such as General Electric, Caterpillar and the Big Three automakers, along with many smaller American businesses, depend on what is made in Chinese factories.

Now, they confront life without those items. Major airlines in the United States and Europe are halting their cargo and passenger flights to China for up to two months. Recent visitors to the country are barred from entering the United States.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/virus-threatens-us-companies-supply-of-chinese-made-parts-and-materials/2020/02/02/6ee567f0-4478-11ea-b503-2b077c436617_story.html

Apple shuts down all stores and corporate offices in China amid the continued Wuhan coronavirus outbreak

 

• Apple announced on Saturday it was closing all of its offices and stores in China out of an "abundance of caution" amid the spread of the Wuhan coronavirus. 
• The Wuhan coronavirus has killed at least 259 and infected around 12,000, primarily in China. 
• Apple, which earns about a quarter of its operating income in China, said it will keep its online store open during the shutdown. 

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-wuhan-apple-shuts-down-stores-and-offices-in-china-2020-2

US companies suspend China operations, restrict travel as coronavirus outbreak becomes global crisis

 

• Disney, Tesla, airlines and other global companies with significant footprints in China are suspending operations as they respond to the outbreak of the coronavirus.
• The WHO has recommended against “measures that unnecessarily interfere with international trade or travel.”
• As the virus continues to spread, and institutions respond, it threatens to disrupt sectors from travel and retail to tech.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/01/coronavirus-companies-suspend-china-operations-restrict-travel.html

 

[Isabella]

Google is temporarily shutting down all of its China offices due to the coronavirus outbreak, the company confirmed to The Verge on Wednesday. The shutdown includes all offices in mainland China, as well as Google’s offices in Hong Kong and Taiwan.

Currently, the offices are closed for the extended Lunar New Year holiday, a measure the Chinese government took to help reduce the spread of the virus by encouraging residents to stay inside and avoid travel.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/29/21113817/coronavirus-google-china-offices-temporary-closing-virus-outbreak-risk