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"After this I kept looking in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible and unusually strong. And it had teeth of iron, big ones. It devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped what was left with his feet. And it was something different from all the [other] beasts that were before it, and had ten horns "- Daniel 7: 7
 
"I beheld then because of the sound of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld till the beast was slain and his body was destroyed and it was given to the burning fire "- Daniel 7:11
 
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This treatment has the objective to correctly identify not only the beast of Daniel's vision but also the period of prophecy in connection with his murder.
This will be a fundamental prophecy.
Err the reference period, as was the case within Christianity, inevitably leads to straining and inconsistencies.
What some say about this beast and how it should interest us personally?
Since the dreadful and terrible beast makes its appearance after the leopard-like beast (Daniel 7: 6), which we know to be the Macedonian o greco empire, it must be the Roman Empire.
The Roman Empire, in fact, as we have seen in several previous articles, takes the place of Greece on the world stage.
Since we do not see other animals that was, it concludes Roma to be "killed" and this creates a domino effect on many subsequent interpretations.
The prophecy would end the fall of Rome (Roma whom?), The Son of man of whom we read in the following verses is vested with the authority in the first century (see footnotes) and the book of Revelation, written before 70 EV, actually speak of the destruction of Jerusalem in the first century and so on.
As a result of the fact that everything would be fulfilled by the fall of the Roman Empire, the beasts that you give a "life extension" for a time and a season, would the nations of today.
I have simplified: there would be many other things but this is enough to understand how such an interpretation can change much our view of things.
Leaving aside the various contradictions and unanswered questions that this interpretation creates, we must see if there is really a credible supporting them with scriptures.
As we have done so far, the only reliable modus operandi is the comparison of records and respect for the authority of God's Word.
Let us first of all that the prophet's attention is captured by this beast and in particular by its horns - Daniel 7: 8
This is a key aspect of the vision.
We have already discussed the meaning of the horns in a previous article but now we will see it from another point of view.
We take as an example the Macedonian Empire because there is more than ever useful to acquire the right key to the vision.
We know that this empire represented by the goat, when he was in command of Alessandro Magno, was depicted with a "notable horn" - Daniel 8: 5
After the death of Alessandro Magno, when the empire was divided among four of his generals, the same goat is described as having "four horns" - Daniel 8: 8
We can see immediately a strangeness .
The original empire is actually divided into four smaller empires and yet there is always only one goat.
Why?
Why do not you see four different beasts?
Let's keep in mind these questions to answer later.
Now let's speculate.
If the goat, described by Daniel had been shot down in the time that he had "the great horn", what period of time would refer the vision and what territory would understand?
The answer is simple.
If the goat was shot down at the time of the great horn, this would take place during the rule of Alessandro Magno (between 356 and 323 BCE) on the only his vast empire.
If the goat in Daniel, however, was shot down in the time when he had four horns, what period and what territory would embrace?
The answer becomes more interesting.
In this case, the empire is divided into four and see the goat fall would mean the defeat of all four generals and their occupied territories.
In the vision, however, he would fall one beast.
From these considerations we understand that the beast represents an empire, but the horns are the powers that share or compete for the domain or the territory of that empire - Compare Revelation 17:12; Daniel 11:39
These horns can be allied, as in the case Medo-Persian empire, but they can also fight against each other as seen for example in Daniel 7: 8
When an empire is divided, because it is seen as other horns on the beast itself and not as the beasts?
Evidently because they emphasize from original empire.
The horns present in the same beast tells us that all those powers have arisen from the same original empire.
Having all the same origin, we could say that are "unrelated" to each other.
The Medes and the Persians, in fact, had many differences but also many things in common.
With this in mind, we can begin to understand the meaning of the vision of the fourth and final beast seen by Daniel.
As we explained in another article, previous empires are seen "hornless" because they do not have power or are not dominant in the vision of the reference time .
Understanding the vision reference time is very important.
This allows us to establish that at the time that Daniel has the vision, the dreadful and terrible beast is already divided into various powers.
What does this mean?
The empire is rising after the Macedonian Roma and on this there is very little to discuss as confirmed by the dream of the statue of Nebuchadnezzar - Daniel 2:39, 40
So the first part of the hypothesis is correct: the beast that Daniel sees is Rome.
That said, however, we must focus on the horns as did Daniel himself.
If the beast has ten horns, in harmony with what we have seen so far, it follows that the original Empire (Roma) is already divided into an unknown number of powers.
This, by itself, drop the hypothesis that Rome has to be "killed" as well as the time in which it would fulfill the prophecy.
From these ten horns, at some point in history, check yet another horn that is what speaks great things (Daniel 7:11); what is the time in which the animal is killed .
In Rome there is only the origin.
In simple words the prophecy is saying that the latter horn, whatever the time of fulfillment, is one of the many powers born of ancient Rome.
This beast is the final, there are no other - Daniel 7:17
So, since we should not expect the appearance of other animals, it is clear that his killing is done in the end time.
This king is the same which is discussed below and "grandiose words" that pronounces we can find in Daniel 11: 36-38
From the point of view of God, since this king will become an object of worship for many people, it pronunciation "grand words", that is exaggerated and completely out of place for a human being or human military power - Compare Revelation 13: 3-6
Intending to correct the vision we need not climb over backwards in an attempt to demonstrate that there is talk of two kings and two different times because the similarities are obvious.
Obvious for those who read the scriptures without trying to defend, at all costs, his own idea.
This means that what you read in the following verses, which the Son of man who is given dominion, authority and kingdom, is fulfilled in the end time.
This also leads us to realize what it is actually killing the beast and the fact that being thrown "into the burning fire."
This expression can only bring our minds to the "lake of fire" reported at Revelation 19:20
The lake of fire is a place from which there is no return and therefore you would expect, if this had happened in Rome, that there was no longer any trace of this empire.
Instead Europe and much of Asia and Africa is full of Roman remains, aqueducts from the statues the ancient buildings.
This does not give precisely the idea that was thrown into the "burning fire", is not it?
Instead of the last dominant empire on earth, as described in Revelation, it says that the whole beast will be cast into the lake of fire.
Besides, this is an action that can only make the Almighty God and His Son Christ, not an invading empire.
Unless speculate that the fall of Rome intervened personally God, there is no way to "harmonize" this expression.
Rome, in fact, never really died and was never really replaced.
The social fabric is wore out, and this allowed many people simply "get" and divide it but was never really defeated in battle.
He fell under his vices and under its own weight.
The vision speaks of the beast that is not killed except in time when this remarkable horn appears.
As we saw in the previous article, this horn is the last king of the north on the world stage, namely Russia.
It goes without saying that this explanation, as we have already seen, a wonderful window opens in verse 12.
The explanation that would apply all this to the fall of Rome, can not explain why, between kingdoms currently present (those to which a prolongation of life in our days) still exists Rome and even all the nations would be allowed that were exclusively owned by Rome.
If Rome is burned in the blazing fire and the other allows himself a "life extension", should exist Iran (Persia), Iraq (Babylon) and Greece ... but should not exist Italy (the when Rome is still the capital), should not exist France nor Germany nor Spain and so on.
Instead it appears that this extension of life a little 'at all is granted.
If instead the beast is killed at Armageddon, it is clear that the other animals are given a life extension for "a time and a season" after the judgment of Armageddon.
This allowed us to sensibly understand how he can "check" this Gog of Magog full Millennial Kingdom.
We just carefully observe, then, that world events, without being distracted by explanations forced and unscriptural, as we await the fulfillment of the angel's following words recorded in Daniel 7:18: "But the saints of the Supreme receive the kingdom, and take possession of indefinitely kingdom, even indefinitely to times indefinite '- see also Revelation 20: 4
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Footnotes
* This interpretation asserts that the Son of man receives the kingdom in the first century to the fact that Jerusalem was under Roman rule (cf. Matthew 28:18), but obviously does not explain why, according to the order written by Daniel, this does not happen the fall of Rome.
Reading Daniel 7: 11-14 we understand that the enthronement of the Son of Man takes place after the killing of this beast and, therefore, the enthronement could not take place in the first century since, at that time, Rome was well far from being "killed."
That if we do not play the usual chronological order is not in the book.
However, it should be argued that when considering the order of the beasts as chronological (ie the order of the appearance of empires is chronologically Correctly or ) can not be determined in an arbitrary way that the next part is not written chronologically.
What it is written in chronological order it is also evident from the words of Daniel that says, more than once, "I continued watching ..." - Daniel 7: 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 13
The writing of Matthew 28:18 does not prove that he began to reign in the first century (if not on the Christian congregation) because there is a difference between taking power legally and take it effectively.
If Christ had taken power in effect in the first century, it would mean that the world would no longer be ruled by Satan since then.
But sixty years after these words of the Lord, the apostolo Giovanni said "the whole world lies in the power of the wicked" - 1 John 5:19
** You do not even understand the "what Rome" would be talking about the prophecy since this empire was split in two in 395 EV
The beast can not be considered "killed" at the time of his division.
The Eastern Empire fell in 476 EV while that of the West in 1453 with the fall of Constantinople.
The beast can not be considered to be "killed" in 476 since a portion of it continued to exist and therefore in theory of Christ the enthronement event would occur after 1453.
However even 1453 can be considered the date of the beast dsell'uccisione for the reasons spiegat the in this article.
*** On the same line of this false interpretation of "Babylon the Great" Roma would be that would be killed (it is not clear by whom) to his downfall.
To support this hypothesis is often referred to "the seven hills of Rome" and many flights of fancy to determine who would be the seven most important king of Rome - compares Revelation 17: 9
**** "Finally," but not really seen that the inconsistencies are many, you can not explain for what reason the writing says "there are four kings that will rise from the earth" (Daniel 7:17) meaning it clear that there would have been only the most four kings , not one more. The explanation would like the angel speaks to Daniel, the four powers, but that would not have all the powers that would arise on earth. The vision, in short, get to a certain point but not to the time of the end - Look instead Daniel 7:18
 
 

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Ovviamente riconoscendo da un lato che il Santissimo è il luogo più interno del tempio e non una persona ma dall’altro traducendo “Messia” dove altre traduzioni traducono semplicemente unto o capo, sorge la domanda: è il luogo ad essere unto (cioè messo nella condizione giusta) oppure è il Messia?   La versione successiva traduce… 24 Settanta settimane son fissate riguardo al tuo popolo e alla tua santa città, per far cessare la trasgressione, per metter fine al peccato, per espiare l'iniquità, e addurre una giustizia eterna, per suggellare visione e profezia, e per ungere un luogo santissimo. 25 Sappilo dunque, e intendi! Dal momento in cui è uscito l'ordine di restaurare e riedificare Gerusalemme fino all'apparire di un unto, di un capo, vi sono sette settimane; e in sessantadue settimane essa sarà restaurata e ricostruita, piazze e mura, ma in tempi angosciosi. 26 Dopo le sessantadue settimane, un unto sarà soppresso, nessuno sarà per lui. E il popolo d'un capo che verrà, distruggerà la città e il santuario; la sua fine verrà come un'inondazione; ed è decretato che vi saranno delle devastazioni sino alla fine della guerra. 27 Egli stabilirà un saldo patto con molti, durante una settimana; e in mezzo alla settimana farà cessare sacrifizio e oblazione; e sulle ali delle abominazioni verrà un devastatore; e questo, finché la completa distruzione, che è decretata, non piombi sul devastatore' – Luzzi/Riveduta   Isolando i punti che ci interessano vediamo che la Luzzi traduce “un unto”, il quale compare in sette settimane esattamente come traduce la CEI. Con un punto e virgola tra le due espressioni, si capisce che le successive 62 settimane servono per restaurare e ricostruire Gerusalemme e non hanno nulla a che vedere con l’apparizione di questo unto (che è comparso da un pezzo). Alla fine di queste 62 settimane, ovvero quando ormai Gerusalemme è ricostruita, questo unto viene soppresso. Un’altra differenza importante è che questa traduzione riporta che “è decretato che vi saranno delle devastazioni sino alla fine della guerra” e non “fino alla fine ci sarà guerra” e anche questa è una differenza notevole. Nel primo caso si sta dicendo che la devastazione durerà fino alla fine della guerra (guerra che può essere breve o lunga) mentre nel secondo caso dice che ci sarà guerra “fino alla fine” ovvero fino alla fine del sistema satanico. Probabilmente a questa traduzione si deve la credenza comune che se in Israele c’è sempre guerra è perché era una profezia (anche se bisognerebbe spiegare che guerre ci sarebbero state in Israele quando Israele non esisteva e comunque per quale motivo non c’è sempre stata devastazione). Vi sembrano differenze di poco conto? Prima di “scegliere” una traduzione e scartarne un’altra, dovremmo almeno capire quale criterio seguire. Non sarebbe un po’ troppo facile scegliere quella traduzione che accarezza maggiormente le nostre credenze o le nostre idee preconcette?   Come già accennato, qualcuno però dirà che la storia ha dimostrato quale dovrebbe essere la traduzione più corretta. Non viene però spontaneo chiedersi perché, “se fosse così”, molte traduzioni continuerebbero a tradurre male sapendo com’è andata la storia? Questi traduttori biblici preferiscono negare la storia pur di giustificare le proprie traduzioni o forse la storia non è andata proprio come ci è stato raccontato? Sorvolando temporaneamente queste domande, analizziamo in profondità la spiegazione della Wt e vediamo se è davvero così inattaccabile.   Analizziamo l’interpretazione delle 70 settimane secondo l’intendimento della Watchtower   E’ opportuno, prima di cimentarci nella spiegazione ufficiale della società Torre di Guardia, citare cosa diceva la rivista del 15/02/2014 alle “domande dai lettori”. Segue la citazione. “Nel II secolo alcuni ebrei credevano che le 70 settimane abbracciassero il periodo di tempo che andava dalla distruzione del primo tempio nel 607 a.E.V. a quella del secondo nel 70 E.V.; altri invece pensavano che la profezia si fosse adempiuta durante il periodo dei Maccabei, nel II secolo a.E.V. Quindi, sul calcolo delle 70 settimane non c’era unanimità. Se nel I secolo il calcolo delle 70 settimane fosse stato fatto correttamente, sarebbe lecito pensare che gli apostoli e altri cristiani dell’epoca usassero questa profezia per dimostrare che Gesù Cristo era il promesso Messia e che era arrivato proprio quando era stato predetto. Non ci sono però prove a conferma del fatto che questo è ciò che fecero i primi cristiani. È opportuno mettere in risalto anche un altro fattore. Gli scrittori dei Vangeli spesso menzionarono profezie delle Scritture Ebraiche che si erano adempiute in Gesù Cristo (Matt. 1:22, 23; 2:13-15; 4:13-16). Nessuno di loro, però, associò la comparsa di Gesù sulla terra alla profezia delle 70 settimane. In conclusione, non possiamo affermare con certezza che ai giorni di Gesù si avesse un intendimento corretto della profezia delle 70 settimane. I Vangeli, comunque, forniscono altre valide ragioni per cui il popolo avrebbe dovuto essere “in aspettazione” del Messia”. Fine della citazione.   Riflettiamo attentamente su queste parole. Finché parliamo del II secolo e di persone non approvate da Dio è solo logico pensare che essi non avessero il corretto intendimento di questa o di altre profezie – confronta Daniele 12:9, 10; Matteo 11:25, 26 Tuttavia se parliamo dei discepoli di Cristo, in particolare gli apostoli, i quali predicarono in Israele e altrove per dimostrare che Gesù fosse il Messia promesso, non è strano constatare che tra le tante Scritture che essi menzionarono a riprova dell’identità del Cristo, nessuno mai fece riferimento alle 70 settimane? Eppure sarebbe stata la dimostrazione più forte e incontestabile! Riuscite a trovare un solo discorso degli apostoli o dei primi cristiani che, durante la loro opera di predicazione, citano la profezia delle 70 settimane a riprova che Egli fosse il Messia promesso? La rivista Torre di Guardia qui citata afferma “non possiamo affermare con certezza che ai giorni di Gesù si avesse un intendimento corretto della profezia delle 70 settimane”… e a parte il fatto che si sarebbe dovuto scrivere “non possiamo affermarlo e basta” e non “non possiamo affermare con certezza” c’è un problema più serio da affrontare. Ammettiamo che i primi discepoli di Cristo non avessero una conoscenza completa della Scrittura, come infatti era – confronta Giovanni 16:12 Le stesse domande che essi facevano dimostravano i loro limiti e il loro desiderio di capire – confronta Matteo 15:15, 16 Questa mancanza di conoscenza sarebbe perdurata? Il Signore disse “Mentre rimanevo con voi, vi ho detto queste cose. Ma il soccorritore, lo spirito santo, che il Padre manderà nel mio nome, quello vi insegnerà ogni cosa e vi rammenterà tutte le cose che vi ho detto” - Giovanni 14:25, 26 La predicazione della buona notizia non si interruppe alla morte di Cristo anzi… essa raggiunse tutta la terra abitata allora conosciuta – Atti 24:5; Romani 10:18 Quindi anche ammettendo che durante la vita del Signore sulla terra essi non avessero un accurato intendimento delle Scritture, dopo la Sua morte sarebbe sceso su di loro lo Spirito Santo che avrebbe “insegnato loro ogni cosa”. Perché, dunque, in tutte le lettere apostoliche fino alla lettera di III Giovanni non si menzionano, mai, le 70 settimane di Daniele? Quello che la rivista qui citata dice tra le righe in effetti è: anche se i primi cristiani non compresero la profezia delle 70 settimane, l’abbiamo compresa noi.   Ciò che segue è preso dal libro “Prestate attenzione alle profezie di Daniele”* parti estrapolate dal capitolo 11. 16 Tre avvenimenti notevoli meritano di essere presi in considerazione a proposito dell’inizio delle “settanta settimane”. Il primo si verificò nel 537 a.E.V. quando Ciro emanò il decreto che permetteva agli ebrei di tornare al loro paese. Si legge: “Ciro re di Persia ha detto questo: ‘Geova l’Iddio dei cieli mi ha dato tutti i regni della terra, ed egli stesso mi ha incaricato di edificargli una casa a Gerusalemme, che è in Giuda. Chiunque fra voi è di tutto il suo popolo, il suo Dio sia con lui. Salga dunque a Gerusalemme, che è in Giuda, e riedifichi la casa di Geova l’Iddio d’Israele — egli è il vero Dio — la quale era a Gerusalemme. In quanto a chiunque resta da tutti i luoghi dove risiede come forestiero, gli uomini del suo luogo lo assistano con argento e con oro e con beni e con animali domestici insieme all’offerta volontaria per la casa del vero Dio, che era a Gerusalemme’”. (Esdra 1:2-4) Chiaramente il preciso scopo del decreto era far ricostruire il tempio — “la casa di Geova” — nel luogo in cui sorgeva un tempo. 17 Il secondo avvenimento si verificò nel settimo anno del regno del re persiano Artaserse (Artaserse Longimano, figlio di Serse I). All’epoca il copista Esdra fece un viaggio durato quattro mesi da Babilonia a Gerusalemme. Era latore di una lettera speciale del re, che però non autorizzava la ricostruzione di Gerusalemme. L’incarico di Esdra consisteva solo nell’“abbellire la casa di Geova”. Per questo la lettera menzionava oro e argento, vasi sacri e contribuzioni in frumento, vino, olio e sale per sostenere l’adorazione presso il tempio, nonché l’esenzione dalle tasse per coloro che vi prestavano servizio. — Esdra 7:6-27. 18 Il terzo avvenimento si verificò 13 anni (ovvero 13 anni dopo il settimo anno del re persiano Artaserese) dopo, nel 20° anno del re persiano Artaserse. Allora Neemia serviva come suo coppiere “a Susa il castello”. Gerusalemme era stata parzialmente riedificata dal rimanente tornato da Babilonia. Ma le cose non andavano bene. Neemia apprese che ‘le mura di Gerusalemme erano diroccate e le sue stesse porte erano state bruciate col fuoco’. Questo lo turbava molto e il suo cuore era rattristato. Quando gli fu chiesta la ragione della sua tristezza, Neemia rispose: “Viva il re a tempo indefinito! Perché non dev’essere triste la mia faccia quando la città, la casa dei luoghi di sepoltura dei miei antenati, è devastata, e le sue medesime porte sono state divorate dal fuoco?” — Neemia 1:1-3; 2:1-3. 19 La descrizione dell’episodio che riguardava Neemia prosegue: “A sua volta il re mi disse: ‘Che cos’è dunque che cerchi di ottenere?’ Subito pregai l’Iddio dei cieli. Dopo ciò dissi al re: ‘Se al re in effetti sembra bene, e se il tuo servitore sembra buono davanti a te, che tu mi mandi in Giuda, alla città dei luoghi di sepoltura dei miei antenati, affinché io la riedifichi’”. La proposta piacque ad Artaserse, che acconsentì anche a un’ulteriore richiesta di Neemia: “Se al re in effetti sembra bene, mi siano date lettere per i governatori che sono oltre il Fiume [l’Eufrate], perché mi facciano passare finché io giunga in Giuda; anche una lettera per Asaf il custode del parco che appartiene al re, affinché mi dia alberi per costruire col legname le porte del Castello che appartiene alla casa, e per le mura della città e per la casa in cui devo entrare”. Neemia riconobbe il ruolo di Geova in tutto questo, dicendo: “Il re, dunque, [mi] diede [le lettere], secondo la buona mano del mio Dio su di me”. — Neemia 2:4-8. 20 Il permesso venne accordato nel mese di nisan, nella prima parte del 20° anno del regno di Artaserse, ma l’effettiva “emanazione della parola di restaurare e riedificare Gerusalemme” andò in vigore mesi dopo, quando Neemia arrivò a Gerusalemme e iniziò il lavoro di ricostruzione. Il viaggio di Esdra aveva richiesto quattro mesi, ma Susa si trovava più di 300 chilometri a est di Babilonia e quindi ancora più lontano da Gerusalemme. Molto probabilmente, dunque, Neemia arrivò a Gerusalemme verso la fine del 20° anno di Artaserse, cioè nel 455 a.E.V. Le predette “settanta settimane”, o 490 anni, iniziarono allora. Sarebbero terminate nell’ultima parte del 36 E.V. — Vedi “Quando iniziò il regno di Artaserse?”, a pagina 197. 21 Quanti anni passarono prima che Gerusalemme fosse effettivamente ricostruita? La ricostruzione della città doveva avvenire “nelle strettezze dei tempi” a motivo di difficoltà fra gli ebrei stessi e dell’opposizione dei samaritani e di altri. Il lavoro a quanto pare fu completato nella misura necessaria verso il 406 a.E.V., entro le “sette settimane”, cioè entro 49 anni. (Daniele 9:25) Sarebbe seguito un periodo di 62 settimane, o 434 anni. Dopo quel periodo sarebbe comparso il Messia promesso da tempo. Contando 483 anni (49 più 434) dal 455 a.E.V. arriviamo al 29 E.V. Cosa accadde quell’anno? Il Vangelo scritto da Luca ci dice: “Nel quindicesimo anno del regno di Tiberio Cesare, quando Ponzio Pilato era governatore della Giudea, ed Erode era governante del distretto della Galilea, . . . la dichiarazione di Dio fu rivolta a Giovanni figlio di Zaccaria nel deserto. Egli venne dunque in tutto il paese intorno al Giordano, predicando il battesimo in simbolo di pentimento per il perdono dei peccati”. In quel tempo “il popolo era in aspettazione” del Messia. — Luca 3:1-3, 15. 22 Giovanni non era il Messia promesso. Ma riguardo a ciò di cui fu testimone al battesimo di Gesù di Nazaret, nell’autunno del 29 E.V., Giovanni disse: “Ho visto lo spirito scendere dal cielo come una colomba e rimanere sopra di lui. Nemmeno io lo conoscevo, ma Colui che mi ha mandato a battezzare in acqua mi disse: ‘Chiunque sia colui sul quale vedrai scendere e rimanere lo spirito, questi è colui che battezza nello spirito santo’. E io l’ho visto e ho reso testimonianza che questi è il Figlio di Dio”. (Giovanni 1:32-34) Al suo battesimo, Gesù diventò l’Unto: il Messia o Cristo. Poco dopo Andrea, discepolo di Giovanni, incontrò l’unto Gesù e poi disse a Simon Pietro: “Abbiamo trovato il Messia”. (Giovanni 1:41) Quindi “Messia il Condottiero” comparve puntualmente, alla fine di 69 settimane! Dal sottotitolo “GLI AVVENIMENTI DELL’ULTIMA SETTIMANA” 23 Cosa doveva compiersi durante la 70a settimana? Gabriele disse che il periodo di “settanta settimane” era stato determinato “per porre termine alla trasgressione, e porre fine al peccato, e fare espiazione per l’errore, e recare giustizia per tempi indefiniti, e imprimere un suggello sulla visione e sul profeta, e ungere il Santo dei Santi”. Perché questo si compisse “Messia il Condottiero” doveva morire. Quando? Gabriele disse: “Dopo le sessantadue settimane Messia sarà stroncato, senza nulla per lui stesso. . . . Ed egli deve tenere in vigore il patto per i molti per una settimana; e alla metà della settimana farà cessare sacrificio e offerta di dono”. (Daniele 9:26a, 27a) Il momento cruciale era “alla metà della settimana”, vale a dire nel mezzo dell’ultima settimana di anni. 24 Il ministero pubblico di Gesù Cristo iniziò nell’ultima parte del 29 E.V. e durò tre anni e mezzo. Come era stato profetizzato, nei primi mesi del 33 E.V. Cristo fu “stroncato” quando morì su un palo di tortura, dando la sua vita umana come riscatto per l’umanità. (Isaia 53:8; Matteo 20:28) La necessità dei sacrifici di animali e delle offerte di dono prescritti dalla Legge cessò quando il risuscitato Gesù presentò a Dio in cielo il valore della sua vita umana sacrificata. Anche se i sacerdoti ebrei continuarono a fare offerte sino alla distruzione del tempio di Gerusalemme nel 70 E.V., quei sacrifici non erano più graditi a Dio. Erano stati sostituiti da un sacrificio migliore, che non si doveva mai ripetere. L’apostolo Paolo scrisse: “[Cristo] offrì un solo sacrificio per i peccati in perpetuo . . . Poiché con una sola offerta di sacrificio ha reso perfetti in perpetuo quelli che sono santificati”. — Ebrei 10:12, 14. 25 Benché il peccato e la morte abbiano continuato ad affliggere l’umanità, il fatto che Gesù fu stroncato nella morte e la sua risurrezione alla vita celeste adempirono la profezia. Ciò ‘pose termine alla trasgressione, pose fine al peccato, fece espiazione per l’errore e recò giustizia’. Dio aveva abrogato il patto della Legge, che denunciava e condannava gli ebrei come peccatori. (Romani 5:12, 19, 20; Galati 3:13, 19; Efesini 2:15; Colossesi 2:13, 14) Adesso i peccati dei trasgressori pentiti potevano essere cancellati e le relative pene annullate. Grazie al sacrificio propiziatorio del Messia, per coloro che esercitavano fede era possibile la riconciliazione con Dio. Potevano aspettarsi di ricevere il dono di Dio della “vita eterna mediante Cristo Gesù”. — Romani 3:21-26; 6:22, 23; 1 Giovanni 2:1, 2. 26 Così nel 33 E.V., con la morte di Cristo, Geova abrogò il patto della Legge. Come mai, allora, si poteva dire che il Messia doveva “tenere in vigore il patto per i molti per una settimana”? Perché mantenne in vigore il patto abraamico. Sino alla fine della 70a settimana Dio concesse le benedizioni di quel patto ai discendenti ebrei di Abraamo. Ma alla fine delle “settanta settimane” di anni, nel 36 E.V., l’apostolo Pietro predicò a un devoto italiano, Cornelio, ai suoi familiari e ad altri gentili. E da quel giorno in poi si cominciò a proclamare la buona notizia fra persone delle nazioni. — Atti 3:25, 26; 10:1-48; Galati 3:8, 9, 14. 27 La profezia aveva predetto anche l’unzione del “Santo dei Santi”. Non si tratta dell’unzione del Santissimo, o compartimento più interno, del tempio di Gerusalemme. L’espressione “Santo dei Santi” si riferisce qui al celeste santuario di Dio. Lì Gesù presentò il valore del suo sacrificio umano al Padre. Nel 29 E.V. il battesimo di Gesù aveva unto, o appartato, quella realtà spirituale, celeste, rappresentata dal Santissimo del tabernacolo terreno e del successivo tempio. — Ebrei 9:11, 12. Dal sottotitolo “LA PROFEZIA CONFERMATA DA DIO” 28 La profezia messianica pronunciata all’angelo Gabriele parlava anche di “imprimere un suggello sulla visione e sul profeta”. Questo significava che tutto ciò che era stato predetto riguardo al Messia — tutto quello che compì mediante il suo sacrificio, la sua risurrezione e la sua comparsa in cielo, come pure le altre cose che avvennero durante la 70a settimana — avrebbe avuto il suggello dell’approvazione divina, sarebbe risultato vero ed era degno di fiducia. La visione sarebbe stata suggellata, limitata al Messia. Si sarebbe adempiuta in lui e nell’opera compiuta da Dio per mezzo suo. Solo in relazione al predetto Messia avremmo potuto trovare l’interpretazione corretta della visione. Niente altro ne avrebbe dischiuso il significato. 29 Gabriele in precedenza aveva profetizzato che Gerusalemme sarebbe stata ricostruita. Adesso predice la distruzione della città ricostruita e del suo tempio, dicendo: “Il popolo di un condottiero che verrà ridurrà in rovina la città e il luogo santo. E la fine d’esso sarà mediante l’inondazione. E sino alla fine ci sarà guerra; sono decise le desolazioni. . . . E sull’ala di cose disgustanti ci sarà colui che causa desolazione; e fino a uno sterminio, la medesima cosa decisa si verserà anche su colui che giace desolato”. (Daniele 9:26b, 27b) Anche se sarebbe avvenuta dopo le “settanta settimane”, questa desolazione sarebbe stata il risultato diretto di avvenimenti verificatisi durante l’ultima “settimana”, quando gli ebrei rigettarono Cristo e lo fecero mettere a morte. — Matteo 23:37, 38. 30 La storia mostra che nel 66 E.V. le legioni romane al comando di Cestio Gallo, legato di Siria, accerchiarono Gerusalemme. Nonostante la resistenza degli ebrei, gli eserciti romani con le loro insegne idolatriche penetrarono nella città e cominciarono a scalzare il muro del tempio a nord. Il fatto che stessero lì li rendeva una “cosa disgustante” che poteva causare completa desolazione. (Matteo 24:15, 16) Nel 70 E.V. i romani al comando del generale Tito vennero come un’“inondazione” e resero effettivamente desolati la città e il tempio. Niente li fermò, poiché questo era stato decretato — ‘deciso’ — da Dio. Geova ancora una volta aveva adempiuto la sua parola al tempo da lui stabilito! FINE DELLA CITAZIONE   Cominciamo dunque ad analizzare approfonditamente questa interpretazione che, ad una prima lettura, sembrerebbe inattaccabile. Dopo aver spiegato le motivazioni secondo cui dobbiamo considerare le settimane come settimane di anni (come traducono anche alcune versioni bibliche), il libro riconosce che ci sono “tre avvenimenti notevoli che meritano di essere presi in considerazione a proposito dell’inizio delle “settanta settimane””. Il primo si verificò nel 537 a.E.V. quando Ciro emanò il decreto che permetteva agli ebrei di tornare al loro paese. Si legge: “Ciro re di Persia ha detto questo: ‘Geova l’Iddio dei cieli mi ha dato tutti i regni della terra, ed egli stesso mi ha incaricato di edificargli una casa a Gerusalemme, che è in Giuda” - Esdra 1:2-4 Questo sembra davvero essere il più ragionevole perché fu Dio stesso ad autorizzarlo. Questo editto non fu proclamato per iniziativa di un imperatore borioso ma, come egli stesso disse, “Geova l’Iddio dei cieli (…) mi ha incaricato di edificargli una casa a Gerusalemme”. Non solo: è proprio lui ad essere chiamato “unto”! - Isaia 45:1 Daniele menziona chiaramente “l'ordine di restaurare e ricostruire Gerusalemme” Secondo la Parola di Dio e non secondo le interpretazioni umane, chi fu incaricato di ricostruire Gerusalemme? Isaia 44:28 dice “Colui che dice di Ciro: ‘È il mio pastore, e tutto ciò di cui mi diletto adempirà completamente’; perfino nel [mio] dire di Gerusalemme: ‘Sarà riedificata’, e del tempio: ‘Saranno gettate le tue fondamenta’”. A questo punto la questione dovrebbe già essere chiusa** (vedi la nota in calce) perché la semplice domanda che dovremmo farci è: queste parole si adempirono oppure non si adempirono? Se non si adempirono, allora affermiamo apertamente che la Bibbia si è sbagliata. Dio disse di aver incaricato Ciro per riedificare Gerusalemme e gettare le fondamenta del tempio ma questo non si avverò. Giusto? Non si avverò perché il libro “Profezie di Daniele” dice chiaramente che “Gerusalemme era stata parzialmente riedificata”… ma la profezia di Isaia diceva che Ciro avrebbe riedificato Gerusalemme e non “parzialmente”. Inoltre lo rimarca dicendo “tutto ciò di cui mi diletto adempirà completamente”. Cosa avrebbe adempiuto, completamente? Forse il diletto di Geova era che Gerusalemme fosse ricostruita parzialmente? Sul tempio si potrebbe disquisire perché la profezia riguardo a Ciro diceva semplicemente che “sarebbero state gettate le fondamenta”, a indicazione del fatto che egli non sarebbe vissuto abbastanza per vedere il tempio di Gerusalemme completamente ricostruito e dedicato, ma non si può disquisire sulla ricostruzione di Gerusalemme. Cosa ci dicono i dati storici? Quando fu ricostruita Gerusalemme e quando fu ricostruito e dedicato il tempio? Dopo il ritorno dall'esilio babilonese, sotto la guida di Zorobabele, nominato governatore della Giudea e sommo sacerdote Giosuè, immediatamente si cerca di ricostruire Gerusalemme e la Giudea, devastati ed abbandonati 70 anni prima. Dopo le iniziali e notevoli difficoltà comunque Gerusalemme viene ricostruita e le fondamenta del Secondo Tempio, sempre secondo la storia secolare, vengono concluse nel 535 a.C. Ovviamente stiamo parlando di una “data secolare” e finora abbiamo preso queste informazioni con le dovute cautele. Possiamo tendenzialmente fidarci di questa data? Sì, perché essa sarebbe in armonia con il periodo di vita dell’imperatore Ciro, il quale morì nell’anno 530 a.C. Come abbiamo letto nella profezia di Isaia, egli avrebbe emanato l’ordine di ricostruire Gerusalemme ma per quanto riguarda il tempio egli avrebbe visto soltanto “gettarne le fondamenta”. Sempre secondo la storia secolare, confermata dagli storici ebrei, il Tempio viene consacrato nella primavera del 515 a.C., ovvero più di venti anni dopo il ritorno da Babilonia. Ciro non avrebbe mai visto il completamento dei lavori in quanto mori 15 anni prima. Senza voler per forza associare questa profezia (quella di Isaia) a quella di Daniele, la questione è solo una: quante volte il tempio o la città dovevano essere ricostruiti? Se la parte iniziale della profezia delle settanta settimane si riferisce alla ricostruzione di Gerusalemme e del tempio, allora dobbiamo stabilire se ciò sia avvenuto nel 515 a.E.V (o al limite qualche anno prima) oppure nel 455.   Chi emanò l'ordine di "restaurare e riedificare Gerusalemme"? Ciro o Artaserse?     Possiamo scegliere “la data che ci piace di più”, come fanno in molti, ma la Bibbia menziona Ciro come “unto” incaricato sul rimpatrio degli ebrei e sulle fondamenta del Tempio e nessun Artaserse fu mai incaricato per questo. Anche ammettendo che le date su Ciro e sul suo editto non siano precise, di certo non possono essere sballate di 60 anni e Ciro e Artaserse non sono intercambiabili. La data di inizio da cui far partire queste emblematiche “70 settimane” è già diventata molto discutibile ma vediamo altre questioni difficili da armonizzare. Facendo partire le prime sette settimane dal 455 a.E.V. arriviamo al 406 a.E.V. (come ammette lo stesso libro) citato. Riguardo a questa data, il libro afferma “Il lavoro a quanto pare fu completato nella misura necessaria verso il 406 a.E.V”. “A quanto pare” dal punto di vista di chi? Esiste, nella storia secolare, un solo dato riscontrabile che anche solo si avvicini a questa data? Oppure “a quanto pare” è da riferirsi a qualche data biblica? Esiste, nella Bibbia, qualche riferimento che possa farci ricavare questa data o una data vicina? In realtà non esiste nulla di tutto ciò e “a quanto pare” è da riferirsi ad una convinzione preconcetta: se dobbiamo far collimare questa data alla comparsa del Messia, dev’essere così per forza. Forse adesso cominciamo a capire perché diverse traduzioni bibliche traducono “unto” anziché “Messia”, insistendo nella loro traduzione nonostante quella che per molti di noi era un’ assoluta evidenza storica? Riusciamo anche a mettere il beneficio del dubbio sul perché i primi cristiani non usarono mai questa parte delle Scritture per dimostrare l’identità o il periodo della comparsa del Messia? Ovviamente, quindi, partendo dal 406 (?) e aggiungendo altri 434 anni arriviamo al 29 E.V. che è proprio l’anno in cui Gesù viene battezzato e diventa il Messia. Tutti sanno fare i 434-406, nessuno discute che faccia “29”, togliendo l’anno zero; questo semplice calcolo lo sapranno fare anche i diversi traduttori biblici ma il problema sta a monte. Se forziamo la data di partenza riusciamo a far collimare qualsiasi cosa. Se poi forziamo sia la data di partenza che la data di arrivo, allora possiamo far dire alla Bibbia tutto quello che vogliamo… ma andiamo avanti perché i problemi non sono certo finiti qua. Il libro vorrebbe lasciar intendere che questo calcolo, cioè quello che porterebbe al 29 E.V., era intrinsecamente conosciuto dagli ebrei del primo secolo in quanto il popolo era in aspettazione del Messia proprio nel periodo di predicazione di Giovanni il Battista – confronta Luca 3:1-3, 15 Questo resoconto, però, dimostra soltanto che il popolo ebraico era in aspettazione del Messia già da parecchio tempo e sicuramente da molti anni. Vedendo Giovanni il Battista battezzare e predicare il pentimento dei peccati, il dubbio che potesse essere lui era solo legittimo. Che essi non avessero affatto un’idea precisa dell’anno della sua apparizione lo si capisce sia dalle parole del Signore che dal resoconto della storia secolare. Parlando degli ultimi giorni del sistema giudaico il Signore disse chiaramente che sarebbero sorti “falsi Cristi e falsi profeti” che avrebbero potuto sviare perfino i suoi discepoli per cui dovevano stare in guardia. I resoconti storici confermano che poco dopo il primo assedio, avvenuto per ordine di Cestio Gallo nel 66 E.V., ci fu un’apparente riscossa degli ebrei i quali arrivarono al punto di inseguire i propri invasori. Proprio in quel periodo sorsero “falsi Cristi” asserendo che era volontà di Dio che Gerusalemme fosse definitivamente liberata. Ora, se come lascia intendere il libro il popolo conosceva il calcolo delle 70 settimane (e di conseguenza erano giunti alla stessa data del 29 E.V.) perché essi diedero retta ai “cristi” apparsi quasi quarant’anni dopo? In realtà essi aspettavano l’arrivo del Cristo liberatore fin da quando furono soggiogati dall’impero romano ed essi sapevano che il Cristo poteva comparire da un momento all’altro, all’improvviso. Inoltre non è ragionevole credere che essi avessero fatto questi calcoli sulle 70 settimane perché la scrittura parla di “giustizia eterna” ma anche di distruzione del tempio – vedi Daniele 9:26 E’ dunque strano che essi si illusero di poter liberare Gerusalemme se interpretavano la profezia delle 70 settimane come viene interpretata oggi, ovvero sapendo che il tempio doveva essere distrutto. Che questa interpretazione delle 70 settimane proposta dalla Watchtower sia fasulla lo si vede ancora nella parte finale della profezia. Pur avendo forzato le due date di inizio (il 455 e il 406), non si riesce a far collimare neppure la parte finale. Vediamo perché. Intanto la scrittura dice che quel periodo di tempo era stato determinato “per porre termine alla trasgressione, e porre fine al peccato, e fare espiazione per l’errore, e recare giustizia per tempi indefiniti” ma ciò non avvenne nel 33, nel 36 e neppure nel 70. Non si pose fine né al peccato, né alla trasgressione e non si recò giustizia a tempi indefiniti ma ovviamente la wt spiega queste affermazioni in senso “spirituale”. Dal momento che il sacrificio di Cristo servì al perdono dei peccati abrogando la Legge che li condannava, venne stabilita questa “giustizia a tempi indefiniti”… . Citando le parole del libro: “Adesso i peccati dei trasgressori pentiti potevano essere cancellati e le relative pene annullate. Grazie al sacrificio propiziatorio del Messia, per coloro che esercitavano fede era possibile la riconciliazione con Dio”. Noi abbiamo capito che Israele non ha mai smesso d’avere importanza agli occhi di Dio: non c’è mai stata alcuna “sostituzione” come dicono le religioni della cristianità. Se questo è corretto, allora dovrebbe essere scontato che è proprio sul popolo di Israele e sulla terra di Israele che si doveva “porre termine alla trasgressione, e porre fine al peccato, e fare espiazione per l’errore, e recare giustizia per tempi indefiniti”; infatti l’angelo dice a Daniele che quelle 70 settimane erano state determinate non solo sul suo popolo ma anche “sulla sua santa città” - leggi Daniele 9:24 La santa città di Daniele era Gerusalemme e nessun’altra… invece in quella città, anche dopo la morte e risurrezione di Cristo, continuò ad esserci trasgressione e sicuramente non si può dire che venne stabilita una “giustizia eterna” durante i 19 secoli della sua inesistenza. Neppure oggi che Gerusalemme esiste di nuovo si può dire che è stata stabilita questa giustizia eterna. Saltiamo comunque il particolare della città e ammettiamo la possibilità di aver capito male proseguendo il nostro esame. Diciamo che fu stabilita la giustizia eterna quando Gesù pagò il riscatto versando il suo sangue in sacrificio e che Israele non c’entri nulla in tutto ciò. Molte traduzioni, come abbiamo visto, non condividono le parole “tenere in vigore il patto” e infatti riportano “stabilire un patto” o un’alleanza o “stipulare un patto”. Anche se patto e alleanza possono essere sinonimi, di certo sono molto diverse le espressioni “tenere in vigore” o “stipulare”. La prima espressione presuppone l’esistenza di un patto pre-esistente mentre la seconda menziona un patto appena fatto o nuovo di zecca. Ovviamente coloro che partono dal principio che il messia menzionato nei versetti precedenti sia proprio IL Messia, si sono dovuti chiedere “quale patto” Egli potesse stipulare con quel popolo che l’aveva appena ucciso. Quindi il patto diventa il patto Abraamico e la traduzione più congeniale non può essere “stipulare” ma “tenere in vigore”. In realtà anche accettando questa possibilità avremmo dovuto trovare scritto che il Messia avrebbe tenuto in vigore il patto per “un’altra” o “ancora una settimana” e non semplicemente per una settimana. Al limite avremmo dovuto leggere che il patto sarebbe stato “prolungato” per una settimana… ma non si legge nulla di tutto ciò in nessuna traduzione. Comunque il problema non riguarda semplicemente stabilire quale sia la traduzione più corretta (che cambierebbe comunque le cose) ma stabilire chi è il soggetto che “tiene in vigore” o “stipula un patto”. Dalla punteggiatura presente nella TnM non è molto chiaro ma sembra che sia “il Messia” a farlo. Il versetto 26 finisce così: “E il popolo di un condottiero che verrà distruggerà la città e il luogo santo, la cui fine arriverà come con un’inondazione. Sino alla fine ci sarà guerra; è stata decretata la devastazione”. Quindi il versetto 27 continua… ““Lui terrà in vigore il patto per i molti per una settimana, e alla metà della settimana farà cessare sacrificio e offerta”. “Lui terrà in vigore il patto”: lui chi? Colui che è stato ucciso dopo le 62 settimane (versetto 26a) oppure il condottiero di quel popolo che sarebbe arrivato e avrebbe distrutto la città e il luogo santo? (versetto 26b). La domanda è lecita perché la CEI traduce così: “il popolo di un principe che verrà distruggerà la città e il santuario; la sua fine sarà un'inondazione e, fino alla fine, guerra e desolazioni decretate. Egli stringerà una forte alleanza con molti per una settimana e, nello spazio di metà settimana, farà cessare il sacrificio e l'offerta” lasciando intendere che è questo principe, ovvero il principe che comanda questo esercito distruttore, a stipulare una “forte alleanza”, una sorta di trattato di pace. Pur scegliendo la versione più congeniale ai nostri preconcetti, che l’intendimento sia completamente sbagliato è dimostrato dalla storia stessa perché, come abbiamo detto, neppure l’avvenimento finale può dirsi adempiuto. Con il massimo della semplicità l’opera citata “conclude” la spiegazione della profezia con la conversione di Cornelio, che sarebbe avvenuta nel 36 E.V. e questo chiuderebbe le 70 settimane. Quindi non si parla affatto della distruzione del Tempio, che avvenne 34 anni più tardi, tanto meno della distruzione di “colui che giace desolato” (chiunque sia per la TnM e qualunque cosa significhi). Questo è ragionevole? Questa profezia non includeva anche la devastazione del Tempio nonché la distruzione dello stesso devastatore? Non sorprende adesso capire perché la TnM traduca in maniera incomprensibile “colui che giace desolato” rendendo inverosimile applicare questa descrizione all’impero romano. La spiegazione lascia intendere che la stessa distruzione del tempio sarebbe avvenuta in un periodo al di fuori delle 70 settimane perché esse si concluderebbero nel 36! L’angelo Gabriele avrebbe parlato di 70 settimane le quali si concludono con “lui terrà in vigore il patto per i molti per una settimana” (stop) ma per quanto riguarda la parte che dice “sull’ala di cose ripugnanti arriverà colui che causa devastazione; ciò che è stato deciso sarà riversato su colui che giace desolato, fino alla completa distruzione” sarebbe avvenuto quando sarebbe avvenuto. Anche in un lontanissimo futuro… se prendiamo per assodato che “colui che giaceva desolato” era l’impero Romano. Per chi legge senza pregiudizi queste scritture, pur non comprendendo i soggetti implicati né il tempo dell’adempimento, il susseguirsi degli avvenimenti è chiaro e lineare: Lui terrà in vigore il patto per i molti per una settimana (ciò vale a dire che alla fine di questa settimana il patto scade o viene infranto) e alla metà della settimana farà cessare sacrificio e offerta. Sull’ala di cose ripugnanti arriverà colui che causa devastazione (ovvero alla fine della settimana quando ormai “il patto” è giunto al termine) ciò che è stato deciso sarà riversato su colui che giace desolato (ovvero, subito dopo aver infranto il patto – durato una settimana – egli stesso verrà eliminato) fino alla completa distruzione. Tutti gli avvenimenti descritti dall’angelo Gabriele dovevano iniziare con le prime sette settimane (dall’annuncio di partenza all’arrivo dell’unto) e concludersi nell’ultima settimana (con la distruzione del Tempio o della “città santa” e quindi la distruzione del devastatore). Questo lo capirebbe anche un bambino. Quindi, pur avendo forzato la data di inizio (il 455 a.E.V., in quanto gli ebrei non tornarono in patria quell’anno e non gettarono le fondamenta in quell’anno bensì nel 515 a.E.V. grazie all’editto di Ciro, autorizzato come unto di Geova) e pur avendo forzato la data “di mezzo” (il 406… data assolutamente inesistente in tutti i libri di storia) gli avvenimenti non possono combaciare a prescindere. Salvo spezzando la profezia, dimenticandosi della parte finale.   A questo punto dobbiamo essere onesti con noi stessi e scegliere. Alcuni dicono che quella delle 70 settimane è una “profezia errata” e la usano per “dimostrare” che il libro di Daniele racconti falsità. Altri, cercando di salvare capre e cavoli, dicono che è una profezia “ipotetica” dicendo che quelle cose si sarebbero adempiute se il popolo avesse o non avesse fatto determinato cose. In pratica alcuni dicono che Dio cambiò idea riguardo a questa profezia a motivo delle mutate condizioni generali, un po’ come accadde nel caso dei niniviti al tempo di Giona. Altri, come possiamo immaginare, continuano a negare l’evidenza insistendo sulla corretta interpretazione della propria organizzazione religiosa (che non riguarda nello specifico la WT ma le spiegazioni delle organizzazioni religiose in generale, le quali, non da meno della WT, giocano molto con le parole). Che dire di noi? La Bibbia si è sbagliata oppure Dio ha cambiato idea all’ultimo momento non facendo più avverare la profezia? Adesso che abbiamo compreso i termini dell’enigma, possiamo sperare di aver fatto il primo passo verso la comprensione oppure ci siamo allontanati ancora di più? Dobbiamo rinunciarci? L’enigma della 70 settimane sarà mai svelato? Se la Bibbia è davvero il Libro di Dio, le risposte devono trovarsi lì... no? Pur riconoscendo i nostri limiti, il prossimo articolo cercherà nella Bibbia la chiave per svelare questo millenario enigma – Daniele 12:10; 2 Timoteo 3:16, 17       Note in calce * Il libro "Prestate attenzione alle profezie di Daniele!" è edito dalla Watchtower   **Nel prossimo articolo si menzioneranno, tra le altre cose, le Scritture di Esdra e Neemia in genere utilizzate per dimostrare che la profezia delle 70 settimane dovrebbe partire dall’editto di Artaserse Longimano.  
    • By Jesus.defender
      In 1889, the WT said " we present PROOFS that the setting up of the kingdom of God has already begun...and that 'the battle of the great day of God almighty' (Revelation16:14),which will end in AD1914 with the complete overthrow of the earth's present rulership, is already commenced.".
      The watchtower presented "proofs".
      These "proofs" were wrong, so what credibility do they have to "proclaim" anything?
       
    • By Israeli Bar Avaddhon
      Everything we read about the "70-Week" prophecy reported in the book "Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy!" (Chapter 11) is worthy of attention and demonstrates how accurate and reliable the word of God is even when pronouncing prophecies very distant in time. The historical accuracy and the numerous Scriptural references that gave weight and authority to the whole speech were also evident. Anyone who approaches the Word of God without preconceptions can not but be struck by this demonstration of power and wisdom on the part of God. The explanation of the 70 weeks is unexceptionable but can be said to be the same as other prophecies? What about those calculations on which many of us have based the hopes of a lifetime and that clashed with the criticism of the majority? We are talking about 1914. Is this also a prophecy of Daniel? Was this also treated with the same marvelous accuracy of the seventy weeks we have just read? Although it may not be easy, we try to be truly objective because understanding or not understanding the prophecy, like the rest of God's Word, can make much difference to our eternal future - John 17: 3; 2 Thessalonians 1: 8   WHAT DID OF 1914?   The book "Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy" on pages 85 to 97 explains in detail the dream of Nebuchadnezzar and the 7-time prophecy asserting that it indicates the coming of the Kingdom of God in 1914. It would therefore be profitable to take the book and compare it with what will be read below. Does Nebuchadnezzar's dream really prophesy the coming of the Kingdom of God in 1914?   THAT'S IT? Let's try to examine what is written in the book without prejudices. At a first reading it seems that Jehovah God wanted to give a lesson of humility to Nebuchadnezzar, which happened. The "seven times", at least for him, were seven years and this is confirmed by the whole story. Reading all this without preconceptions, it does not seem that we should look for other explanations more or less hidden. However, let us take the thesis that "the tree indicates a dominion and a sovereignty much greater than those of the king of Babylon. It symbolizes the universal sovereignty of Jehovah, the King of the heavens, especially with respect to the earth ". This means, first of all, that the Kingdom of God is comparing, in a certain way, to the kingdom of Babylon and this strides with many biblical passages describing Babylon as the greatest enemy of God's people. It also means that the "vigilante" (ie an angel of Jehovah) decides to overthrow the Kingdom of God and this is, to say the least, strange. Some will object that we must not look for similarities in every aspect of the prophecy but also decide which part of the prophecy must have a second fulfillment and which one could be arbitrary enough. After all, we have no other scriptural references to show us which details to focus on and which to leave out. So it is being said that the prophecy of the tree applies entirely to Nebuchadnezzar while only a small part would apply to the Kingdom of God. For the prophecy of the "seventy weeks" we did not need to break the prophecy to try to understand who was applied or if it applied to more than one person because the subject was clear and recognizable from the beginning. On the contrary, all the 7-day prophecy is built on a single verse that is what it says ... "The tree grew and became strong, and its same height finally reached the heavens and was visible to the end of the whole earth" (Daniel 4:11). Meanwhile, the writing says that the tree "becomes visible" to the end of the earth and not that "embraces the end of the earth" and the meaning is very different. The aforementioned book says: "the great tree represents the 'domain that reaches the end of the earth', which embraces the whole realm of mankind. Thus it symbolizes the universal sovereignty of Jehovah, particularly in relation to the earth. - Daniel 4:17 ". "Reaching the end of the earth" means that it extends the domain to the end of the earth while "being visible to the end of the earth" means that it is known, famous. AnyhowÂ… is not it a bit fragile, let's say risky, to build a series of prophecies (all linked together) on this single explanation? Note that the specification "particularly in relation to the earth" is due to the fact that the universal sovereignty of Jehovah is, indeed, universal, for which the tree should have been seen not only in the whole earth but throughout the universe. By specifying, instead, "in relation to the earth", we can exclude the skies from the vision and take the application for good. Anyway, we should ask a question. Is the fact that the tree reaches the heavens or the end of the earth itÂ’s a demonstration or even an indication of the fact that we are talking about the Kingdom of God? We always leave the Bible to enlighten us. Notice what Jehovah told Ezekiel in reference to the Pharaoh. Ezekiel 31: 1-8 says Â… “In the 11th year, in the third month, on the first day of the month, the word of Jehovah again came to me, saying: 2  “Son of man, say to Phar?aoh king of Egypt and to his hordes,+‘Whom are you like in your greatness?  3  There was an As·syr?i·an, a cedar in Leb?a·non,With beautiful branches like a shady thicket, lofty in stature;Its top was among the clouds.  4  The waters made it grow big, the deep springs of water caused it to grow high. Streams were all around where it was planted;Their channels watered all the trees of the field.  5  That is why it grew taller than all the other trees of the field. Its boughs multiplied, and its branches grew longBecause of the abundant water in its streams.  6  All the birds of the sky nested in its boughs,All the wild animals of the field gave birth under its branches,And all the populous nations were dwelling in its shade.  7  It became majestic in beauty and in the length of its branches,For its roots went down into abundant waters.  8  No other cedars in the garden of God+ could compare to it. None of the juniper trees had boughs like it,And none of the plane trees could match its branches. No other tree in the garden of God could rival its beauty”. Do we note some similarities with the vision of Nebuchadnezzar? Both are compared to tall and mighty trees. Both reach high heights, up to the sky in fact the expressions "reach the heavens" or "reach the clouds" are equivalent - Compare Job 22:14; Isaiah 14:14; Daniel 7:13 Of both we notice the big difference with the other trees. Of both it is said that all the flying creatures and all the wild beasts find food and shelter. Now if we apply the principle that the tree that "reaches the clouds" must represent the Kingdom of God, then even the Egyptian empire should be an antitype of the Kingdom. Unfortunately, however, in this story there is no mention of the "times" and consequently it is not possible to count anything. If you think it's ridiculous that the Egyptian empire will represent the Kingdom of God, why should it be acceptable to the Babylonian empire? Jehovah goes on to say ““Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘Because it* became so tall, lifting its top among the clouds, and its heart became arrogant because of its height, 11  I will hand it over to the mighty ruler of the nations.+ He will surely act against it, and I will reject it for its wickedness”. The Pharaoh was exalted, just as Nebuchadnezzar did, and for this reason God decided to humiliate him - Matthew 23:12 Nebuchadnezzar escaped with seven years of madness while Pharaoh's empire was besieged. Also this verse remarks the fact that God takes away and gives "the kingdom to whom he wills" (and in this case He gave the kingdom of Pharaoh to the "despot of nations"). Ezekiel 31: 12-14 continues Â… “And foreigners, the most ruthless of the nations, will cut it down, and they will abandon it on the mountains, and its foliage will fall in all the valleys, and its branches will lie broken in all the streams of the land.+ All the peoples of the earth will depart from its shade and abandon it. 13  All the birds of the sky will live on its fallen trunk, and all the wild animals of the field on its branches.+ 14  This is so that no tree near the waters should grow so tall or lift up its top among the clouds and that no well-watered tree may reach up to them in height. For they will all be given over to death, to the land down below, along with the sons of mankind, who are going down into the pit.Â’. Even this tree is cut down and humiliated (Jehovah will do this through the king of Babylon). Because of the many similarities with the kingdom of Egypt, are we really certain that the tree that "reached the heavens" refers to the Kingdom of God?   When we talk about 1914, are we really like the Bereans? Or are we "Bereans" only when we have to refute the doctrines of Christianity?   There is another interesting detail that should make us reflect. The Bible compares the heavens to governments, be they human or celestial. Applying this concept to the tree that reaches the heavens and whose other trees do not stand comparison with it, it would simply mean that this tree has the kingdom over the other (smaller) kingdoms and of Babylon the Great is said to have " the kingdom over the kings of the earth "- Revelation 17:18 The only legitimate parallel that you can do with Babylon, without fear of taking corners, is related to Babylon the Great because it is the parallelism that makes the Bible. Indeed, all the world empires mentioned in the Scriptures had, for a time, the kingdom over the other kingdoms. Cyrus, in fact, said of himself ... "I am Cyrus, king of the world, great king, legitimate king, king of Babylon, king of Sumer and Akkad, king of the four extremities (of the earth), son of Cambyses (Ka-am -bu-zi-ia), great king, king of Anzan, nephew of Cyrus ,. . . descendant of Teispe,. . . of a family (that) has always reigned ". (Ancient Near Eastern Texts, edited by J. B. Pritchard, 1974, p.37). Undoubtedly humility was not a characteristic appreciated by the Persians as well as by the Babylonians but in fact the kingdom had power over the other known kingdoms (so to be called "king of the four ends of the earth") and so it could be said that its height had reached the heavens and was visible or known to the ends of the earth. In the story of Ezekiel and in that of Daniel there is no reference, just anyone, to the Kingdom of God, on the contrary ... both accounts mention a judgment from God on enemy nations, proud and violent. Any chronological calculation should respect the subject in being and in fact this part of the Scripture is very different from what is said about the "seventy weeks" - Daniel 9: 24-27 In the account of Daniel chapter 9, one speaks clearly of the Messiah (see Daniel 9:25) and it is not necessary to read what is not written. Anyone who wanted to be polemical could discuss the start date from which to count the "weeks" or even the adduct method * (one day for a year) but certainly we can not discuss the subject in existence (the Messiah). It could also be absurd to discuss who the Messiah really was (which Jews are still discussing) but certainly we can not argue that Daniel chapter 9 speaks of the arrival of the Messiah! Instead, Daniel chapter 4 speaks of Nebuchadnezzar and his kingdom, while all the "understanding" concerning the Kingdom of God is built on four lines in the book "Pay attention to Daniel's prophecies!" That read: "But the great tree represents the domain that reaches the end of the earth, which embraces the entire kingdom of mankind. Thus it symbolizes the universal sovereignty of Jehovah, particularly in relation to the earth. - Daniel 4:17 "(chapter 6, page 87 of the Italian edition of the book). Does not this seem like a very firm statement with a very weak base? Let us try not to tell Daniel 4:17 what he does not really say because it is enough to know the basic rules of grammar so as not to be distracted by the subject. The subject is Nebuchadnezzar and God makes him understand that, because of the fact that he is exalted, he would have taken away his kingdom and given it to whoever He had wanted (exactly as He did to Pharaoh). In practice the one who really rules is the Creator and the other kingdoms exist only because He allows it - Compare Romans 13: 1 So there is no reason to believe that the tree (that is, one of the many governments that Jehovah has permitted in the history of mankind), actually represents the Kingdom of God. If someone wants to imply that the fact that God mentions His dominion is indicative that the tree itself represents His dominion (and is an incredible semantic acrobatics) then we can take the story reported in 2 Kings 19: 14-19 and do it same reasoning. “Hez·e·ki?ah took the letters out of the hand of the messengers and read them. Hez·e·ki?ah then went up to the house of Jehovah and spread them* out before Jehovah.+ 15  And Hez·e·ki?ah began to pray+ before Jehovah and say: “O Jehovah the God of Israel, sitting enthroned above* the cherubs,+ you alone are the true God of all the kingdoms of the earth.+ You made the heavens and the earth. 16  Incline your ear, O Jehovah, and hear!+ Open your eyes,+ O Jehovah, and see! Hear the words that Sen·nach?er·ib has sent to taunt the living God. 17  It is a fact, O Jehovah, that the kings of As·syr?i·a have devastated the nations and their lands.+ 18  And they have thrown their gods into the fire, because they were not gods+ but the work of human hands,+ wood and stone. That is why they could destroy them. 19  But now, O Jehovah our God, please save us out of his hand, so that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that you alone are God, O Jehovah.” Hezekiah knew very well that Jehovah was "the true God of all the kingdoms of the earth" and he prayed that Sennacherib would be stopped in his intent to destroy Jerusalem. We know very well what was the answer of Isaiah which last part reads Â… “Because your rage against me+ and your roaring have reached my ears.+ So I will put my hook in your nose and my bridle+ between your lips,And I will lead you back the way you came.” - 2 Kings 19:28 If we did the same reasoning as for chapter 4 of Daniel, then we might suppose that the "reign of Sennacherib" was also an antitype of the kingdom of God because he too had to learn (at his own expense) that Jehovah is "the true God of all. the kingdoms of the earth "or, in other words, "dominates over all mankind ". Unfortunately, even in this story there are no numbers, days, weeks or months to be calculated and therefore no reason to read "the coming of the kingdom of God" even where no mention is made of it. Is it possible that the strong desire to see the prophecies fulfill has influenced the intention and therefore pushed to read what was not actually written? This means that if you really want to see a second fulfillment of the story reported in Daniel chapter 4, you should respect the subject in being and that is Babylon. It is likely that the story of Daniel is simply telling the humiliation of Nebuchadnezzar and that the "seven times" mean only seven years but we can not be categorical. In this regard it is useful to reflect on the fact that even the humiliation of the Pharaoh, reported in Ezekiel, could have a second fulfillment as Jehovah says that he will "shake the nations" and this could be a reference to the Armageddon war.   So, without fixing ourselves too much with a specific date, in case the story of Daniel wanted to show us a second fulfillment of the prophecy, the report is actually saying: "Babylon will fall, will remain inactive for seven times and then rise again". This can only bring our mind back to the last mention that the Bible makes of Babylon - Revelation 17:5 The clues about Babylon the Great brought us to the nation of Israel so the question we should ask ourselves is ... "From what year we should start counting the 2520 years (ie 360 * 7) until we see the rebirth (if any) of Babylon? " From the story of Daniel the possible dates from which to count the seven times are two: 1) Since Nebuchadnezzar has had the vision or has fallen into "misfortune" (in fact, Daniel says "the tree is you" - Daniel 4: 20-22) 2) From the death of Nebuchadnezzar (if Nebuchadnezzar represents the kingdom of Babylon, his death is the moment when the tree is "knocked down" but it is to be noted that there is no reference to this in the narration of Daniel who, indeed, he says that the kingdom would be assured - Daniel 4:26) As far as the first hypothesis is concerned, it is impossible to have an accurate date because neither the Bible nor the secular history tells us in which year Nebuchadnezzar was expelled from his kingdom. This happened, obviously, after 597 a.E.V. (year in which Nebuchadnezzar brings the first Jewish prisoners to Babylon according to the secular date, there is a difference of 20 years with that of the slave who, in fact, puts 617 a.E.V.) and within 570 a.E.V. (if Nebuchadnezzar dies in 562 BCE - always according to the secular date - and the period of "captivity" lasts 7 years and the kingdom is returned to him presumed to have reigned for at least a year, 570 is the last useful year) . However in the first four chapters of Daniel we mention Daniel, Sadrac, Mesac and Abednego first as children (Daniel 1: 3, 4) and later as robust men (Daniel 3:12, 27) and all this before Nebuchadnezzar has the famous dream tree. This means that, from their deportation until the day when the king erected the image of gold, at least 15, 20 years passed. So if the Jews came to Babylon in 597 a.E.V. but they pass 20 years before the construction of the golden idol and having taken for good the secular date (562 a.E.V) it is possible to restrict the period from 577 a.E.V. up to 570 a.E.V. Obviously they are only estimates but the important date is the maximum time limit (570 a.E.V) so if from the deportation until the construction of the image had passed 15 years instead of 20, the starting date would be 582 a.E.V. but the last possible useful date would always be 570 a.E.V. The eventual rebirth of Babylon, if Daniel is talking about this, would have happened between 1943 E.V. (2520-577) and 1950 E.V. (2520-570). To reinforce this hypothesis there would also be the fact that the narration of his expulsion is the last story reported to Nebuchadnezzar. Few verses later, in fact, we no longer speak of him but of Baldassarre (Daniel chapter 5). It is reasonable to conclude, therefore, that Nebuchadnezzar had the vision in the last years, perhaps during the last decade of his reign.   The second hypothesis concerns the death of Nebuchadnezzar, which takes place, according to the secular sources, in 562 a.E.V. According to the slave, in 582 a.E.V. (see the book "Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy" chapter 7, page 99). Counting 2520 years we arrive at 1958 E.V. in the first case and to 1938 E.V. in the second case.   "Babylon will fall, remain inactive for seven times and then rise again"   What does recent history tell us? If, as we have seen, Babylon the Great is the nation of Israel, this would corroborate the first hypothesis. The first hypothesis places the rebirth of Babylon between 1943 and 1950. Indeed, the "resurrection" of Israel took place in May 1948.   Knowing the fixation of human beings for dates and calculations, however, it is prudent to pay attention to the most important things. The secular dates can not be secure, based on findings and comparisons more or less incomplete, and certainly we can not base our faith on this - 2 Corinthians 5: 7 What would happen if the 597 a.E.V., as well as 607 or 537 or any other date on which we based much of the biblical prophecies (without there being a real reason for doing so) tomorrow proved to be completely wrong? The consequences could be very serious and not just from a human point of view - Amos 3: 1, 2 We must not take Jehovah's mercy for granted, so we must be cautious in our statements. Since we have no certainty that the "seven times" do not simply represent seven years, we should not lose ourselves in these speculations. Is not the most important thing to understand the identity of Babylon the Great? Those who have truly studied the Bible without preconceptions have understood that Babylon the Great is indeed Israel and this has understood it regardless of dates and calculations. This is a crucial aspect of prophecy because it is the clues that guide us in the subjects and times in which we are living, such as road signs, and not the calculations - Compare Matthew 24:32, 33 and 2 Timothy 3: 1-5 and do a contrast with Matthew 24:36 There is no temporal indication for the killing of the two clothed witnesses (see Revelation chapter 11) but we know that they are revealed at the end of the war. We know that the city called "Sodom and Egypt" is Babylon the Great, hence Israel, and as a result we also know which nation and events to watch carefully. That the Bible actually prophesises the year of his "resurrection" or not, is certainly interesting but not fundamental for those who believe that it is indeed the inspired Word of God. Fundamental, if anything, will be "get out of it" when the UN prepares to destroy it.   * However the Bible confirms the "one day for a year" method and also that this was the same method used by God's people - Ezekiel 4: 6; Luke 3:15 ** The Bible allows us to be "fully competent" then all the speeches made on 607 a.E.V. pro and contra, they are absolutely useless. Nebuchadnezzar's dream, as we have seen, has nothing to do with the Kingdom of God    
    • By JOHN BUTLER
      "All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,"
      2 Timothy 3 v 16
      Was this in it's way a small prophecy ?                 
      The 2nd book of Timothy was written 65 C.E.  However 1,2,3, John and Revelation were written much later.
      So we have two points, 1. The writings were not complete when Paul wrote that information. 2, The Bible had not been constructed so no idea would have been formed as to what the Bible would contain. 
      Were there other writings ? Would they be considered as Scripture? 
      It seems that Paul was inspired to write that "All scripture is inspired.... " 
       
    • By Israeli Bar Avaddhon
      "E in quanto a te, o Daniele, rendi segrete le parole e sigilla il libro, sino al tempo della fine. Molti [lo] scorreranno, e la [vera] conoscenza diverrà abbondante” - Daniele 12:4
      In Daniele 12:11, 12 si legge… “11 “E dal tempo in cui è stato soppresso il [sacrificio] continuo ed è stata posta la cosa disgustante che causa desolazione, ci saranno milleduecentonovanta giorni.
      12 “Felice colui che rimane in attesa e che arriva a milletrecentotrentacinque giorni!”
      Questa parte è fondamentale per completare il quadro di Rivelazione.   Intanto rispolveriamo la memoria in base a ciò che diceva/dice lo Schiavo in merito a questi giorni. I 1290 giorni andrebbero dal gennaio 1919 al settembre 1922 in quanto nel 1919 i membri della Società furono rilasciati e da quel momento iniziarono a fare progresso fino al 1922... anno in cui si tenne quella storica assemblea a Cedar Point (Ohio) che diede straordinario impulso all’opera di predicazione (questi sarebbero i 1290 giorni). Dopodiché a questi giorni aggiungono altri 1335 giorni arrivando così al maggio 1926, anno in cui gli unti “raggiungono una condizione felice” in quanto non ci sono più “nostalgici” (fratelli che ancora rimpiangevano Russell e ancora studiavano la Bibbia attraverso gli “studi sulle Scritture”) viene presentato il libro “Liberazione” (1926) e altri particolari. Tutto questo è riportato nel libro “Profezie di Daniele” alle pagine 298-305. C’è da dire che per far combaciare queste date i giorni sono stati “grandemente arrotondati” (Rutherford e i suoi collaboratori furono rilasciati il 26 marzo 1919, non a gennaio 1919; si veda la Torre di Guardia del 16/05/2016 all’articolo intitolato “A chi è stata affidata l’opera”) ma cosa anche più importante la scrittura di Daniele, dopo aver menzionato i 1290 giorni, dice “Felice colui che rimane in attesa e che arriva a milletrecentotrentacinque giorni!” - Daniele 12:12 “Arrivare a...” significa aggiungere a quanto c’era prima. Questo significa che se si parla di 1290 giorni e poi si dice “arriva a 1335 giorni” bisogna aggiungere altri 45 giorni e non altri 1335 giorni. Si potrebbe pensare che applicando le profezie ad assemblee o congressi o pubblicazioni o risoluzioni speciali, qualunque numero dovesse comparire nella Bibbia, forzando anche la data di inizio e fine con qualche gioco semantico, cadrebbe sicuramente su qualcosa di importante. Comunque proviamo a leggere semplicemente quello che c’è scritto dimenticando quello che sappiamo o crediamo di sapere. Intanto negli ultimi due capitoli di Daniele si parla di questa “cosa disgustante” e di un re che dice “cose meravigliose e bestemmie”. Si dice inoltre che questo re avrebbe fatto guerra contro i santi e li avrebbe fatti inciampare o vinti e che sarebbe arrivato fino al santo monte dell’Adornamento – Daniele 11:32-45 Questi particolari importanti, senza alcuna forzatura, ci riportano al libro di Rivelazione in particolare ai capitoli da 11 a 13. Inoltre Daniele 12:1 parla di Michele che sarebbe sorto in favore “dei figli del popolo di Daniele” e sarebbe quindi iniziato un tempo di angustia “come non se ne sarà fatto accadere da che ci fu nazione” – Daniele 12:1; Matteo 24:21; Rivelazione 12:12 E’ fin troppo evidente che Daniele e Giovanni stiano parlando dello stesso periodo di tempo. Partendo da questo assunto, quindi, anche i giorni descritti nei due libri devono combaciare. Tuttavia Daniele parla di 1290 giorni mentre Rivelazione parla di 1260. Come mai? La domanda di Daniele è... “Quale sarà la parte finale di queste cose?” - Daniele 12:6 In pratica Daniele, turbato da tutto quello che ha visto, deve essersi chiesto quando tutto sarebbe finito (cioè quando la cosa disgustante avrebbe finito di frantumare il popolo Santo e quando avrebbe avuto termine questo sistema politico guerrafondaio). L’angelo risponde... “Dal tempo in cui è stato soppresso il sacrificio continuo ed è stata posta la cosa disgustante che causa desolazione, ci saranno 1290 giorni” – Daniele 12:11 Quindi, prima di andare avanti, dobbiamo farci una serie di domande. 1) Chi offriva i sacrifici continui? 2) Qual è la controparte moderna? 3) Cos’è la cosa disgustante? 4) Confrontando con il libro Rivelazione, quando viene soppresso il sacrificio continuo? Dovremmo ormai saper rispondere a queste domande. 1) Erano i sacerdoti leviti ad offrire i sacrifici. 2) La controparte moderna sono i cristiani che predicano (potremmo supporre coloro che hanno incarichi speciali nell’ambito della congregazione, eletti o potenziali tali, ma il sacrificio che offriamo è, appunto, l’opera di predicazione – Ebrei 13:15) 3) La cosa disgustante, in Rivelazione, è la bestia selvaggia che ascende dall’abisso (la stessa che distruggerà Babilonia la Grande) ma fosse anche l’impero anglo-americano, il blocco Russia-Cina o qualsiasi altra forza politica, l’avvenimento che ci interessa in questo contesto è la soppressione del sacrificio continuo (cioè l’uccisione dei due testimoni vestiti di sacco). 4) Confrontando quindi con il libro Rivelazione... esaminiamo quanto segue. La soppressione del sacrificio continuo (cioè l’opera di predicazione compiuta dagli eletti) è descritta nel capitolo 11 di Rivelazione quando, “la bestia selvaggia che ascende dall’abisso farà guerra contro di loro e li vincerà e li ucciderà” – Rivelazione 11:7 E’ proprio questo il momento in cui il sacrificio continuo viene soppresso? Sembra proprio di sì perché successivamente si sentono alte voci in cielo che dicono: “Il regno del mondo è divenuto il regno del nostro Signore e del suo Cristo” e quindi si parla della nascita del figlio (il regno di Dio). Quindi questo è l’avvenimento da cui contare 1290 giorni. Questi 1290 giorni sono “la parte finale di queste cose” cioè gli ultimi atti di questo sistema di cose secondo la domanda fatta da Daniele. Sappiamo che, una volta scacciato Satana sulla terra (avvenimento successivo all'uccisione dei due testimoni vestiti di sacco) egli dà alla bestia tutta la sua potenza e autorità e Rivelazione 13:5 dice che essa avrà autorità d’agire per 42 mesi. Questi 42 mesi, ovvero 1260 giorni, sono gli stessi menzionati nel capitolo 11 dove l’angelo dice a Giovanni di “tralasciare il cortile che è fuori del santuario del tempio” perché sarebbe stato dato alle nazioni le quali lo avrebbero calpestato, appunto, per 42 mesi. Ricapitolando… Prima c’è la predicazione dei due testimoni vestiti di sacco. La cosa disgustante o bestia selvaggia, descritta sia in Daniele che in Rivelazione, sopprime il sacrificio continuo quando li uccide (Rivelazione 11:7; Daniele 12:11); da questo momento si devono contare 1290 giorni i quali portano alla “fine di queste cose”. La bestia selvaggia è libera di calpestare il cortile per 42 mesi (ovvero 1260 giorni; vedi Rivelazione 13:5) e quindi dobbiamo chiederci: cosa succede tra la morte dei due testimoni e il momento in cui Satana dà alla bestia tutta la sua potenza (la quale agirà, calpestando il popolo di Dio, per 42 mesi)? Dunque, leggiamo… “15 E il settimo angelo suonò la sua tromba. E vi furono alte voci in cielo, che dicevano: “Il regno del mondo è divenuto il regno del nostro Signore e del suo Cristo, ed egli regnerà per i secoli dei secoli”. 16 E i ventiquattro anziani che erano seduti dinanzi a Dio sui loro troni caddero sulle loro facce e adorarono Dio, 17 dicendo: “Ti ringraziamo, Geova Dio, Onnipotente, Colui che sei e che eri, perché hai preso il tuo gran potere e hai cominciato a regnare. 18 Ma le nazioni si adirarono, e venne l’ira tua, e il tempo fissato di giudicare i morti, e di dare la ricompensa ai tuoi schiavi i profeti, e ai santi e a quelli che temono il tuo nome, i piccoli e i grandi, e di ridurre in rovina quelli che rovinano la terra”. 19 E il [santuario del] tempio di Dio che è in cielo fu aperto, e l’arca del suo patto fu vista nel [santuario del] suo tempio. E ne seguirono lampi e voci e tuoni e un terremoto e grossa grandine. 12 E un gran segno fu visto nel cielo, una donna vestita del sole, e la luna era sotto i suoi piedi, e sulla sua testa c’era una corona di dodici stelle, 2 ed era incinta. E grida nelle sue doglie e nel suo travaglio per partorire. 3 E fu visto un altro segno nel cielo, ed ecco, un gran dragone color fuoco, con sette teste e dieci corna e sulle sue teste sette diademi; 4 e la sua coda trascina un terzo delle stelle del cielo, e le scagliò sulla terra. E il dragone si teneva davanti alla donna che stava per partorire, per divorarne il figlio quando l’avesse partorito.5 Ed essa partorì un figlio, un maschio, che deve pascere tutte le nazioni con una verga di ferro. E il figlio di lei fu rapito presso Dio e il suo trono. 6 E la donna fuggì nel deserto, dove ha un luogo preparato da Dio, affinché vi sia nutrita per milleduecentosessanta giorni. 7 E scoppiò la guerra in cielo: Michele e i suoi angeli guerreggiarono contro il dragone, e il dragone e i suoi angeli guerreggiarono, 8 ma esso non prevalse, né fu più trovato posto per loro in cielo. 9 E il gran dragone fu scagliato, l’originale serpente, colui che è chiamato Diavolo e Satana, che svia l’intera terra abitata; fu scagliato sulla terra, e i suoi angeli furono scagliati con lui. 10 E udii nel cielo un’alta voce dire: “Ora son venuti la salvezza e la potenza e il regno del nostro Dio e l’autorità del suo Cristo, perché è stato gettato giù l’accusatore dei nostri fratelli, che li accusa giorno e notte dinanzi al nostro Dio! 11 Ed essi lo vinsero a motivo del sangue dell’Agnello e a motivo della parola della loro testimonianza, e non amarono la loro anima neppure di fronte alla morte”. Alla morte e risurrezione dei 2 testimoni il regno del mondo diventa davvero il regno “del nostro Signore e del suo Cristo” in quanto nasce il Regno di Dio (ormai sufficientemente completo del numero degli eletti) e inizia la purificazione dei cieli e il giudizio sulla terra. Infatti il capitolo 12 parla della nascita del figlio. Quindi scoppia la guerra in cielo e Satana viene scagliato sulla terra. Da quel momento ha davvero “un breve periodo di tempo” perché potrà giocare con la sua bestia soltanto per altri 42 mesi – Confronta Rivelazione 12:12 e 13:5 con Rivelazione 19:19–20:2 Quindi se la risurrezione spirituale avviene in un “batter d’occhio” i 30 giorni sono il periodo che include la nascita del Regno di Dio e la durata della guerra in cielo o poco meno. In armonia con ciò, 30 giorni furono il periodo di tempo in cui il popolo di Dio fece lutto per la morte di Aaronne (il primo Sommo Sacerdote) – Numeri 20:29 Quindi, dopo un’interruzione di 30 giorni, il nuovo Sommo Sacerdote ricominciò ad officiare. La morte dei due testimoni “vestiti di sacco” porta ad un’interruzione dei servizi sacerdotali per 30 giorni (essi vengono risuscitati appena 3,5 giorni dopo ma evidentemente non possono cominciare ad officiare subito anche perché bisogna purificare i cieli). Questa differenza di 30 giorni sono anche i giorni abbreviati di cui parlò Gesù in quanto la grande tribolazione non inizia immediatamente dopo l'uccisione dei due testimoni – Vedi Matteo 24:22 Satana e i suoi demoni, infatti, saranno occupati a combattere una guerra in cielo che perderanno ma che li terrà occupati per un po'. Anche al tempo dei primi cristiani i giorni di tribolazione furono abbreviati sul nascere e non verso la fine; il ritiro degli eserciti romani (avvenuto all'inizio dell'assedio) permise ai cristiani di "fuggire ai monti" e salvarsi la vita. Da questo possiamo ricavare anche la durata della grande tribolazione la quale inizia nel momento in cui Satana viene scagliato sulla terra, appena 30 giorni dopo l’uccisione dei due testimoni, e dura 42 mesi. Infine l’angelo conclude dicendo... “Felice colui che rimane in attesa e che arriva a milletrecentotrentacinque giorni!” Daniele 12:12 Perché si diventa felici? Evidentemente perché, dopo che la cosa disgustante ha scatenato la sua furia su tutto il popolo di Dio, adesso è arrivato il momento del giudizio di Dio sulla bestia e su tutto il resto del mondo. Questo dovrebbe essere quel periodo di tempo di cui parla Isaia dicendo... “Va, popolo mio, entra nelle tue stanze interne, e chiudi le tue porte dietro di te. Nasconditi per un breve momento finché la denuncia sia passata” – Isaia 26:20 45 giorni sono effettivamente pochi giorni in più rispetto ai 40 giorni di tempo in cui la nazione di Israele avrebbe dovuto vagare nel deserto per raggiungere la terra promessa.   Quindi premettendo che… Se il racconto di Rivelazione è in ordine cronologico (come sembra) e se i 1290 giorni di Daniele sono i 1260 giorni (+30) di Rivelazione… 1) La risurrezione generale (spirituale) inizierà solo dopo l'uccisione dei due testimoni vestiti di sacco descritti in Rivelazione 11. 2) Questo permetterà la nascita del Regno di Dio. 3) Solo alla nascita del Regno di Dio scoppia la guerra in cielo la quale durerà 30 giorni o poco meno. 4) La grande tribolazione inizierà 30 giorni dopo l’uccisione dei due testimoni e cioè alla fine della guerra in cielo. 5) La grande tribolazione durerà 42 mesi i quali sono anche “il breve periodo di tempo” rimasto a Satana per agire. 6) Armaghedon inizierà allo scadere di questi 42 mesi e durerà 45 giorni (la "breve denuncia" in cui il popolo di Dio si chiuderà nelle sue stanze interne – Isaia 26:20)     COMMENTI SIGNIFICATIVI Ora, la mia domanda è: come facciamo a sapere che i riferimenti temporali che troviamo in Daniele e Rivelazione (che siano giorni o mesi) non sono simbolici ma letterali?
        Prima Parte. Ti ringrazio, Sagmar, per la tua domanda.
      In effetti sembra che quando "ci gira" applichiamo "un giorno per un anno" e quando "non ci gira" un giorno equivale ad un giorno.
      Bene, proviamo a fare alcune considerazioni.
      Partendo da Rivelazione, la prima menzione che si fa di questo periodo di tempo si trova al capitolo 11 il versetto 2.
      L'angelo dice a Giovanni "Ma in quanto al cortile che è fuori del [santuario del] tempio, gettalo completamente fuori e non misurarlo, perché è stato dato alle nazioni, ed esse calpesteranno la città santa per quarantadue mesi".
      Quindi il capitolo 11 si concentra su questi due testimoni vestiti di sacco i quali ricordano i sacerdoti leviti (infatti si parla della misurazione del Tempio) che officiano nel Tempio e si occupano dei sacrifici – Ebrei 13:15
      Se i due testimoni rappresentano i sacerdoti leviti, chi rappresenta "il cortile che è fuori del santuario del tempio" il quale sarà calpestato, appunto, per 42 mesi?
      Evidentemente sono il popolo di Dio nel suo insieme.
      Vediamo come continua il resoconto di Rivelazione.
      Alla fine della loro predicazione i due testimoni vengono uccisi, risorgono, suona la settima tromba, nasce il regno di Dio... (Capitoli 11 e 12 di Rivelazione).
      Alla nascita del regno di Dio scoppia la guerra in cielo e Satana è particolarmente adirato perché, da quel momento in poi, "ha un breve periodo di tempo" – Rivelazione 12:12
      Quanto breve?
      Dal momento che secondo lo schiavo il "breve periodo di tempo" sarebbe iniziato nel 1914 la domanda è più che legittima.
      Continuiamo a leggere.
      Una volta che Satana è stato scagliato sulla terra si parla della bestia con dieci corna e sette teste che ascende dal mare e della testa scannata a morte che "fu sanata"... quindi i versetti 4 e 5 (capitolo 13) dicono... "E adorarono il dragone perché aveva dato l’autorità alla bestia selvaggia, e adorarono la bestia selvaggia con le parole: “Chi è simile alla bestia selvaggia, e chi può guerreggiare contro di essa?” 5?E le fu data una bocca che diceva cose grandi e bestemmie, e le fu data autorità di agire per quarantadue mesi".
      Agire per fare cosa?
      Per "far guerra contro i santi e vincerli" – Rivelazione 13:7
      Quindi si sta parlando dell'avvenimento descritto dall'angelo, vero?
      Il cortile fuori dal tempio sarebbe stato calpestato per 42 mesi e, infatti, questa bestia agirà contro il popolo di Dio per 42 mesi.
      Questo periodo è letterale o è simbolico?
      (segue seconda parte)
        Seconda parte. Anche se per lo schiavo 103 anni possono essere considerati "un breve periodo di tempo" se rapportati a 6.000 anni di esperienza di Satana... certo non può dirsi di 1260 anni!
      Se applichiamo, infatti, la regola "un giorno per un anno", 42 mesi sono 1260 anni e certo non può essere considerato "un breve periodo di tempo" neppure rapportato all'età dell'uomo.
      Se questo è opinabile, sicuramente è difficile immaginare che questo possa essere il periodo in cui Satana è "particolarmente adirato" contro il popolo di Dio e cioè il periodo di tempo in cui cerca di distruggerlo!
      E' difficile immaginare che qualche cristiano possa sopravvivere a 1260 anni di furia satanica (continuando a leggere la Rivelazione si capisce che la persecuzione sarà molto intensa) – Matteo 24:21, 22
      Potrebbero non essere 1260 anni ma comunque un periodo di tempo non letterale, comunque breve?
      Il fatto che la Bibbia rimarchi questo periodo di tempo due volte, non c'è motivo per credere che non lo sia.
      Inoltre scopriamo che la Bibbia menziona questo periodo non due volte ma tre.
      Quando la donna "fugge nel deserto" si dice che ciò accade "affinché vi sia nutrita per milleduecentosessanta giorni".
      Dove si incastrano questi 1260 giorni (ovvero 42 mesi)?
      Ovviamente nello stesso periodo in cui la bestia avrà autorità d'agire.
      Infatti la scrittura dice che Satana si adirò contro la donna e, non riuscendo a farla annegare, "se ne va a far guerra al seme di lei".
      Questo fa ben capire che il popolo di Dio, durante tutta la grande tribolazione, continuerà ad essere nutrito (in qualche modo e in qualche misura) per tutto il tempo necessario ovvero "1260 giorni" che sono gli stessi 42 mesi in cui il popolo di Dio sarà "calpestato".
      (segue terza parte)
        Terza e ultima parte. Una volta stabilito che è un "breve periodo di tempo"... perché dovrebbero essere 5 anni (ad esempio), 74 mesi o qualsiasi altro periodo "breve" se la Bibbia dice, per ben 3 volte, che saranno 42 mesi?
      Ricordiamo inoltre che ciò che avviene in questo punto della Rivelazione è simile a ciò che avvenne ai primi cristiani.
      Quando l'esercito romano ritirò l'assedio a Gerusalemme (e in un articolo precedente si identifica Israele come Babilonia la Grande) i cristiani fuggirono ai monti in obbedienza alle parole di Gesù.
      La distruzione di Gerusalemme, però, non avvenne immediatamente ma circa tre anni e mezzo dopo (si può discutere se contare il periodo da Cestio Gallo a Tito o da Tito a Tito ma grossomodo il periodo è quello). Alla fine dei tre anni e mazzo, o giù di lì, Gerusalemme viene assediata e distrutta ("questi sono i giorni per fare giustizia" disse Gesù).
      Allo stesso modo alla fine dei 42 mesi le Nazioni Unite distruggono Babilonia la Grande.
      Il tempo per la bestia selvaggia di agire termina. Inizia Armaghedon.
      Dunque andiamo a vedere i 1290 giorni di Daniele.
      Avrai già evinto che, se i giorni di Rivelazione sono letterali, devono esserlo anche quelli di Daniele ma alcuni particolari rafforzeranno questa interpretazione.
      Sia in Rivelazione che in Daniele possiamo identificare "la soppressione del sacrificio continuo" – Daniele 12:11 Rivelazione 11:7
      Quindi a meno che non si stia parlando di due avvenimenti distinti (ma entrambi parlano del "tempo della fine", della grande tribolazione e di "Michele") dobbiamo concludere che stiano parlando dello stesso avvenimento, giusto?
      Tuttavia il calcolo riportato in Daniele parte un po' prima di quello riportato in Rivelazione.
      L'angelo dice "E dal tempo in cui è stato soppresso il [sacrificio] continuo ed è stata posta la cosa disgustante che causa desolazione, ci saranno milleduecentonovanta giorni" – Daniele 12:11
      Invece il tempo rimasto a Satana per agire (il breve periodo di tempo) parte da quando egli è stato scacciato sulla terra, giusto?
      Quindi tutti gli avvenimenti che accadano "nel mezzo" (dall'uccisione dei due testimoni fino a quando Satana da alla bestia tutta la sua potenza) rientrano in questa differenza temporale.
      Ci si aspetterebbe che se i giorni fossero letterali anche la differenza tra i due periodi dovrebbe essere minima, non è vero?
      Perché Daniele dice proprio "1290 giorni" e cioé un periodo di tempo che racchiude i 1260 giorni di Rivelazione più "qualcosa in più" (che serve a far rientrare la risurrezione spirituale e la guerra in cielo) se questi giorni non fossero letterali?
      Quindi possiamo dire che questo "breve periodo di tempo" è ripetuto per ben 4 volte tra Rivelazione e Daniele.
      Questi fatti rendono più che ragionevole considerare i 1260 giorni e i 1290 come letterali.

    • By Israeli Bar Avaddhon
      " When you see a cloud rising in western places, you immediately say: 'It is the time', and it happens. And when you see a south wind blowing, you say, 'There will be a heat wave,' and it happens. Hypocrites, you know to examine the appearance of earth and sky, but why do not you know look at this particular time? "- Luke 12: 54-56   From the first article in this blog wanted to distance itself clearly from all those sites and polemical blogs created solely as a safety valve and cast a shadow on the governing body or the people of God as a whole. Many of these, though not all, are the expression of the frustration of some for losing certain positions, visibility and below. We do not reveal any mystery by asserting that some are puffed up with pride thinking of always being right and being invested supreme authority - 1 Timothy 3: 6 We do not even say nothing strange if we say that some people, seeing recognized their merits, real or perceived, on the job or elsewhere, have seen in the "theocratic assignments" a kind of redemption. One way to demonstrate the "worth something" - Psalm 18:27; Proverbs 6:16, 17 For this and other reasons, when some have seen the collapse of all their "dreams of glory," they thought to start a smear campaign against God's people and also have the pass to do anything - 2 Peter 2:22 Apart from these, you have to recognize or admit the possibility that there are people who have opened sites or blogs contentious because they suffered real injustice or clashing sincerely from a scriptural point of view - John 9:34; Revelation 2: 4, 20 If anyone re-discuss openly the "doctrine" of 1914, for example, would sooner or later expelled from the congregation if they did not fit immediately into the ranks. It would be presumptuous to think that the reflections made in this blog on the 1914, as well as on other subjects, are not already been done by others. Although humanly speaking the author of this blog is close to all those who have been expelled not for a repeated offense but because of his own conscience on biblical themes, none of us has the authority to denigrate, insult or alienate others by the people which, net of all faults and limitations , it is still God's people. That each of us to reflect seriously on the words of the Lord when he said what we find in Matthew 18: 6 So, as much as depends on us and as long as Jehovah will show us clearly something else, no one let the people of God because if within the His People there will be severe discipline (also because of those who were unjustly expelled - compares Giovanni 16: 2), outside of His People there will be something else. Of course, situations may arise in which we listen to our conscience - Romans 14: 5 To avoid this sad event, we are encouraged to be "cautious as serpents" also to our brothers - Matthew 10:16; 24:10 For the moment we can share many things with our brothers including the preaching work, attendance at meetings, etc., without necessarily having to collide on the 1914 or Babylon the Great. So, reiterating the concept, regardless of the GB and errors of God's people as a whole, a blog or website for purely polemical can not be considered a viable option for those who love God and sincerely studying His Word. We should also ask ourselves "What gave me" a site after reading an article that mentioned what is wrong and even make it a novel is the easiest thing in the world * (see footnote). This introduction was necessary to explain the following article because the reasons could be easily misunderstood. As we saw from the very first articles, though this blog is dedicated to the prophecy, it was not possible to treat the prophecy without touching some doctrines associated with them. The Word of God has such a strong internal consistency that is not reasonable to believe that he could explain the prophecies of Revelation (and other prophetic books) without touching the doctrine of the resurrection (which will happen at the end of the millennium and not during), the order chronological or not the book, the "doctrine" of 1914, the seven days of the dream of Nebuchadnezzar and so on. For this reason you will find after not purely prophetic that was inevitable anyway to deal hope to understand something more about the prophecies. This highlights one of the reasons why some will never understand the prophecies in spite of the efforts: the inability or unwillingness to renegotiate certain doctrines that are upstream. On the same principle we must necessarily realize that you can not move forward in the understanding of the times in which we live and those who arrive without touching the sensitive topic of "governing body" or "quality of spiritual food." This has already been done, more or less soft, in several previous post (see for example the article entitled "Restoration of true worship. Dress clean for the High Priest"). At least with regard to the current understanding, the prophecies do understand that the "light" to lead the people of God (which is clearly not the Bible or it may not be less - Psalm 119: 105) will turn off for a certain period of time and this will serve to lay bare the depth of our relationship with Jehovah - compares Isaiah 28:16 So it does not be surprised if before then that the light begins to fade. Many of us have noticed that certain topics are not touched for years and that on certain issues it is more elusive than before. In return, all the paper work which involves legalism for appointments, discipline, legal protections and various committees have greatly strengthened - Psalm 127: 1, 2 So the following article is of course a critical and will be targeted to the specific material , but everything will be done remembering who we are (Romans 3:23, 24; 1 Corinthians 4: 7) with the sole purpose of reflecting as part of prophecy is already fulfilled before our eyes - 1 Corinthians 14: 8, 9 The reader is invited not necessarily share the article but at least compare the scriptures mentioned and to consider whether the arguments are brought forward with logic.   The following article will cover part of the Watchtower in October 2017. The article is titled "Visions of Zechariah: because there concern?"   A vision does not understand something more of a command or a need?     Since the beginning, we can focus on the questions listed in the first paragraph. Why Jehovah gave to the prophet visions so unusual? In what situation were the Israelites at that time? What do we learn today from those visions?   The questions are certainly deep and detailed so that we isolate some notable points to see how we have tried to give an answer. After a brief explanation of the background and necessary (paragraph two), " Jehovah assured them that would help them restore the true worship" (paragraph three). Let us pause a moment and reflect on these words. He took for themselves, without knowing anything of Zechariah, the book and the time in which it was written, one would think that the theme that will be developed will focus precisely on how Jehovah will restore true worship. Doing disquisitions on whether past or future fulfillment of these words, should not talk about this? Among other things paragraph confirms that this will be the sixth and seventh vision and this would appear to suggest that these visions reveal details on how Jehovah will do this. Besides a vision should include something more of a command; the same ten commandments and all the Mosaic law did not need a vision that was dictated and that the Israelites understood the requirements of the Most Almighty and moral norms that should have respect. Instead the following paragraphs, although the steering wheel scroll vision written in front and behind is "very special", they say that "God will punish whoever steals and among Christians there is no place for any kind of theft." Zechariah really needed a vision to understand that God does not tolerate the theft? Apart from that, as we have said, it seems strange that a vision is limited to this, but the question we should ask is ... "Zacharias did not know that Jehovah does not tolerate the theft?" - Compare Exodus 20:15; Leviticus 19:11, 13; Proverbs 11: 1; 20:23 It 's unusual for a prophet of Jehovah but also the rest of the people had to remember a need so obvious, present even in the most primitive human legal systems.
      It would not be sufficient to read "the book of the law" as in the past it was done and how the law itself provided? Until the end of paragraph seven, there is not the slightest indication that this vision can have a deeper explanation and that can be applied particularly in the future. The subsequent paragraphs remain the same "conservative" line. We should not swear falsely, and the promises made to Jehovah - compares Leviticus 19:12; Numbers 30: 2; Ecclesiastes 5: 5, 6 The next vision is even more interesting.   Even the arrival city has no prophetic significance?   From the subtitle "The evil is put in its proper place," we can see how the vision that perhaps leaves Zaccaria "horrified" with all its details, it "makes it clear that Jehovah will never tolerate any form of evil within his people and will ensure that it is eliminated quickly. " Then women with wings stork carrying away the mingled with evil in the land of Shinar, underline this aspect. Why they choose Sinar and not Nineveh, for example? Because "Israelites them have thought that Sinar was the place where relegate Evil. Zechariah and his contemporaries Jews, in fact, they could confirm that Babylon wickedness was widespread." Again the vision of the container, the evil woman, women with wings stork and the country of destination have no special meaning, much less prophetic. It must be said that if we had dealt with this issue even thirty years ago, maybe someone would begin to calculate the distance between Jerusalem and Sinar to find some correspondence with some meeting or resolution modern or past. This article is definitely more conservative than those of a few years ago ** (see note below) but it really is prudent that we see in this article, or something else? We try to be very objective without hiring a team cheer attitude. Do we really think that Zacharias had seven visions in such a special time, to learn that Jehovah does not tolerate theft, falsehood and evil? Do we really think that the restoration-of true worship has nothing to do with our days? If we had started from chapter four instead to section five, we would not perhaps have inevitably head towards Revelation? - compares Zechariah 4: 2, 3 and Revelation 11: 4 Zechariah chapter four he not also speaks of the restoration-of true worship, just as do the five chapters and six? If Zechariah and Revelation are connected, even if only in part, we would not have had to reflect on the identity of this "evil woman" which, incidentally, is transported in the most important city of Babylon that "to his own place"?   We said that the article is not intended as a criticism for its own sake so that everyone will have to make their own assessments in the light of the scriptures. Certainly, as we have seen in the articles entitled "We are staggering like drunks?" and "Approaching Storm", we can understand "how far we are" the discipline of Jehovah, and also understand the reasons why he decides have to discipline there meditating on these aspects. If they make a reason all those who believe that the withdrawal of the books "Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy" and "The Revelation Its Grand Climax" was the prelude to a new version with "new light." Indeed, there is to be afraid to imagine the explanations that may be. However, those who really pay attention to the prophetic word, they have no reason to be discouraged or be upset. If the light of a certain guide goes out, we have a guide that will never disappoint - Isaiah 40: 8 It 'important and urgent than ever, particularly in view of what will happen, become independent in our research and sharpen our power of reason - Romans 12: 1 We must also realize the responsibility that entails some knowledge. We must help not those who have become critical for bias and with whom you can not think and even those who can not and do not intend to call into question every truth imposed from above - Matthew 15: 6 We must help those who can still asking questions that do not come from the organization or even close their eyes to what is going to happen. We do not know to what extent the people of God will reshaped , but up to the revelation of the two witnesses in sackcloth this will continue to be the people of God and in any case, whatever happens, let us cling tightly to the Word of God that is the only truth - John 17:17 Recalling the words of Jesus quoted at the beginning of this article, and keeping in mind that we are nobody and we have one thousandth of its authority , make sure not to become like those who were part of God's people and that they were recognized as authorities but at the same time, could not understand "their particular time." We do not seek excuses why everyone has a Bible and the basic knowledge to deepen the arguments. Let us not be too full of us, basking in our safety thinking that others will pay. We could wake up in a really unwanted. How would we feel if the Lord said, " You're a hypocrite" ? - compares Amos 3: 2     Footnotes. * This also applies to all those sites that say they are prophetic but are merely interpreting the past Jehovah's judgments to the people of God. This is also a fairly easy game.   ** Just take a look at the book, no longer in publication "Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy" where virtually any number of days in the prophetic book were applied to assemblies, resolutions and publications.
    • By Israeli Bar Avaddhon
      Chapter 38 of Ezekiel: Who is Gog of Magog?   If you've read the article entitled "What nations disappear at Armageddon?", Regardless of whether you've shared or not , you pretend not to have read it. Obviously at the end of this article, if you consider it useful, you can go and take it back. Although that article had to deal with, inevitably, the identity of Gog of Magog, I found it necessary to resume the topic being discussed among many brothers also because the last change of understanding. We all know what the officer says understanding, is not it? Gog of Magog is a coalition of nations (not Satan) who organize to attack the people of God. In reference to the Millennial Kingdom of Christ, Gog of Magog "check" again to attack the "healthy part" of God's people. That is to say that these people, before being identified as Gog of Magog, would our surviving brothers Armageddon (or their offspring) but, they decide to rebel against Jehovah God by attacking the party faithful after a thousand years of peace and prosperity, of His people. We must honestly admit that this case has puzzled some 'everyone from the beginning because it really seems absurd that after a thousand years of peace and happiness, someone should organize to recreate the same terrible conditions existing in the pre-Armageddon world. Incidentally Revelation speaks not just "someone" but says it will be "as the sand of the sea"! Now, whatever interpretation we wanted to give the expression "the sand of the sea", it can not give some idea of the four cats disorganized. They seem to be really great people. With this in mind, let's discuss chapter 38 of Ezekiel to see if it can give us interesting details about this subject and if there is the possibility of having to revise some of our beliefs.   Who is Gog of Magog?   " After many days you will pay attention to you. In the final part of the years you will come to the village [of people] brought back from the sword, gathered out of many peoples, to the mountains of Israel, which have been continuously a devastated place; yes, [a country] which was taken from the peoples, [where] they have dwelt safely, all of them - Ezekiel 38: 8   Why Almighty God should say, to His own people, the people whom He considered worthy to survive Armageddon, "After many years you will pay attention"? The writing also says ... "Will you come to the village [of people] brought back from the sword, gathered out of many peoples" ... But if these are the inhabitants of the "new world", are not also the people who were "brought back from the sword, gathered out of many peoples"? So, speaking of this people the same verse adds, "have lived safely, everyone." Why is this distinction made if during the millennial reign there will be peace and security in every corner of the earth? During the Millennial Kingdom, well after Armageddon, they do not dwell all safe? Gog of Magog, perhaps, has not dwelt safe until then?   And you will be forced to rise. You will be like a storm. You will be like clouds to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many peoples with you " '- Ezekiel 38: 9   The verse says that will rise "to cover the land." Again we have to ask ... " What country?" During the Millennial Reign of Christ the world will still be divided into nations and countries? By the way, talking of "legions", we see a people organized and military invoice ; certainly not a bunch of people disorganized and improvised.   The Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: 'And it must occur in that day that things will go up in the heart, and certainly will devise a malicious design; and you say, "I shall go up against the land of open countryside. I will go to those who do not bother, that dwell safely, all dwelling without walls, and do not have even bar and doors "- Ezekiel 38:10, 11   "I shall go up against the land of open country". What is the land of the open country? There are other countries that do not qualify as open country, or helpless? And why any other "countries" should bother to defend himself during the Millennial Kingdom? "I will go to those who do not bother, that dwell safely, all dwelling without walls, and do not have even bar and doors." So these people, to make these considerations, not dwelled safe? He had a few walls? He had bars and doors? And why a country should have walls, bars and doors if there are no wars, nor weapons, nor thieves or other criminals? Why you should equip the bars and doors if everyone will love intensely, with sincere and loyal love as brothers under one Father?   It will be to take great spoil and to do much prey, to turn your hand on inhabited places devastated again and on a people gathered from the nations, [a people] who accumulates wealth and property, [those] who dwell at the center of the earth - Ezekiel 38:12   Let us assume that at some point towards the end of the Millennial Kingdom, reborn greed, desire for conquest and pride after a thousand years of oblivion. Who would be the "little people gathered from the nations"? If Armageddon has destroyed all the nations of the world , all those who now find themselves living in the Millennial Kingdom and then survived, are they not all those "collected by the nations"? But the scripture says that there is a people who organize to prey upon another people: a people gathered from the nations.   Therefore prophesy, son of man, and you must say to Gog: 'The Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: "In that day, when my people Israel shall dwell safely, not [it] you know? - Ezekiel 38:14   This writing could leave to guess why Gog of Magog, until yesterday, was identified as Satan. Here Jehovah clearly identifies himself as the God of Israel ... but in the Millennial Kingdom should not be all "Israel"? In writing this Gog is clearly seen in opposition to Israel and then identify it as Satan seemed the sensible thing. Obviously it is "sensible" if we take for granted that at Armageddon are destroyed all the nations of the world, so all unbelievers and rebels. Simply stated: If the post-Armageddon world we live only deserving persons, the one who can get in opposition to God's people is Satan. Obviously this understanding seemed to coincide things but, as he was also treated in a more or less recent Tower Guard, created some really absurd paradoxes as we shall see later.   And certainly you will be from your place, from the remotest parts of the north, you and many peoples with you, all mounted on horses, a great congregation, yes, a number of military forces - Ezekiel 38:15   "Several military forces"? Military improvise or made after a period of training? Previously, the verses 4:05, we read that these are all dressed "with perfect taste" and that "large shield and small shield". This leaves just understand that we are talking about a fully equipped and trained people for the war! Even assuming that these verses refer to the previous Gog Magog (what in life before Armageddon), describe this people, in verse 15, as a congregation of many military forces, suggests that they are not just newbies. So the logical question should be ... "Where you are trained, if they are all good of the Millennial Kingdom ? What weapons? For how long?"   "And for sure will come up against My people Israel, like clouds to cover the land. It will happen in the final part of the days, and I will bring you against My land, that the nations may know Me when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes, or Gog "- Ezekiel 38:16   Again Jehovah identifies His people, Israel, making a contrast Gog of Magog. It also understands that this distinction is not born at a time when some of the people decide to attack another, but that Israel has existed for a number of years and lives with these other peoples or nations. Not only Jehovah himself says he will be sanctified among the nations. Which countries? Maybe the same ones that Satan will mislead when it comes out of the abyss? - Revelation 20: 2, 3   Reading Ezekiel 38: 17-20 we find other interesting details. In particular, we can isolate the point where it is said that "the mountains will actually be killed and the steep ways will have to fall, and even every wall will fall to the ground." We might ask what to depict these mountains and who, until the end of the Millennial Kingdom, still possess defensive walls that will fall to the ground.   " ' And certainly I will call against him in all my mountainous region a sword,' it is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah. 'The sword of each is against his own brother - Ezekiel 38:21   And even then we should ask where they took swords and where they forged these peaceful brothers, inhabitants of the New World.   And certainly I will enter into judgment with him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain a downpour flood and hailstones, fire and brimstone upon him and upon his bands, and upon the many peoples that are with him. And certainly I magnify myself, and sanctify myself and make myself known before the eyes of many nations; and they will know that I am Jehovah '- Ezekiel 38:22, 23   The people taken from every nation at the end of the great tribulation, having seen, among other things, the destruction of any nation in opposition to Jehovah, they did not already know who is Jehovah? - Hebrews 8:11, 12 Reading just what it says, it does not seem that there is something that does not come back with our current understanding? In chapter 39 of Ezekiel you will find other interesting details. These details have forced the CD to revise the interpretation that Gog of Magog was Satan and is a fair reflection. How can, in fact, Satan, be given as food to the birds of prey? - Ezekiel 39: 4 How you can have a burial place on earth? - Ezekiel 39:11 Identify Gog of Magog as a "coalition of nations" is correct because you just simply read what is written without seeking hidden meanings - Ezekiel 38:15 However simply say that it is a coalition of nations opens up other questions, if you do not have the courage to review other fundamental interpretations. One of these is to understand that, while the wild beast, and all united in their fight against the Lamb will be destroyed at Armageddon, some nations will be allowed to continue to exist - Compare Daniel 7:11, 12 This means that after Armageddon , will remain something of the old world and there is a scriptural reason for this to happen.   This makes it very easy to see how it is possible that during the Millennial Kingdom happen something like that. It makes us understand many other things such as when people will rush en mass, on their own initiative, to the mountain of Jehovah, "to the house of Jacob" - Isaiah 2: 2-4 It fully understand the meaning and order of the events described in 1 Corinthians 15:25 and many other things.   From this brief examination we could see how it changes our visual horizon if only we strive to read the Scriptures without preconceptions. For understanding current attacking us are created forcer and really irreconcilable contradictions but allowing Scripture to flow freely will form a logical and coherent scenario. We can also see how, who has a prejudice, can not comprehend the obvious and we have seen many times in our preaching work. How many times we happened to listen to abstruse and philosophical arguments to say what the Scripture that says, maybe to prove doctrines such as the Trinity, hellfire, or things like that? Ahead of certain scriptural somersaults maybe we said ... "But how can you say such things! How can you not understand! Yet it is so clear!" The answer is often, prejudice and the inability to call into question their own beliefs. Obviously it is very easy to apply it to others. A little 'more difficult to apply it to ourselves. The possibility exists that we are becoming the modern Pharisees? And 'possible, pay for what we know, we have become the harder we get back on topic? Let's think about meditating on the history of Israel.
    • By Israeli Bar Avaddhon
      In the Bible there are hundreds of references relating to the destruction of Babylon and unfaithful Israel.
      There are also many parallels between Isreal and Babylon (Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel ...).
      Being accustomed to making parallels with Christianity and the world empire of false religion, every time we read "Israel will be destroyed!" we read, in effect, "Christianity will be destroyed!" and every time we read "Babylon will be destroyed!" we read "The world empire of false religion will be destroyed!".
      Now the question is ... "If in a specific passage the Bible meant that Israel would be destroyed by intending to own Israel ... what would we find written?"
      Evidently we would find written "Israel will be destroyed!"
      In the end it is a matter of understanding whether, whenever we speak of the destruction of Babylon and / or Israel after the Lord's day, there is at least the possibility of referring to Israel, that is, modern Israel which is a literal nation.
      What is the greatest counterfeiting of the people of God today?
      Christendom or the modern nation of Israel?
      Before 1948 this hypothesis and these questions would have made no sense.
      Any hypothesis would have excluded Israel a priori simply because Israel did not exist.
      Since May 1948, however, Israel exists and it is basically a matter of understanding three things.
      1) See if it is possible that Babylon the Great is a nation
      2) If so, see if Israel matches the description that makes the Bible
      3) Compare with the current understanding and see which of the two subjects, in the light of the Scriptures and not of personal desires or ideas, are more likely to be.

       
      Question 1
      Babylon the Great can be a nation?

       
      Meanwhile, let us remember that Babylon the Great, throughout history, has been "identified" with many nations and for the most disparate reasons.
      Imperial Rome, Papal Rome, USA, UK, USSR etc.
      Many different people and religious groups have given different explanations but none of them has ever resisted the test of fire and that is the scrutiny of the Scriptures - I Thessalonians 5:21
      What about us?
      One of the explanations given in the publications of the Slave according to which Babylon the Great can not be a literal nation is the fact that "he commits fornication with the kings of the earth".
      A strengthening of this statement would be the fact that both kings and merchants mourn its destruction.
      Finally, it would not be a nation because it is said to mislead the entire inhabited earth through its "spiritual practices".
      That's it?
      Let's see.
      In Isaiah 23: 15-17 we speak of Tire as a "forgotten prostitute" and therefore, as such, "commits prostitution with all the kingdoms of the earth on the surface of the ground".
      Tire was a nation, not a religion or a religious system - Romans 15.4
      So a nation can be described, in the Bible, in the act of committing prostitution with all the kingdoms of the earth and remaining a nation.
      Prostitution may have to do with commercial trade or acts of injustice and bloodshed and not necessarily with religion. - Naum 3: 1-4
      In particular, Tire's prostitution has nothing to do with false religion because, if that were so, Jehovah would not have considered “saint” his reward - Isaiah 23:18
      "Prostitution" can have to do with the covenant and trust placed in other nations, as reported many times in the Bible when Israel and Judah proved to be unfaithful by allying with pagan nations.
      It is clear, therefore, if this nation is compared to a prostitute the loss of this prostitute would have caused pain to her lovers (the nations with which she committed prostitution and the merchants who have enriched herself with it) just like ancient Israel " joy " for Tire's prostitution and this not because Tire was a religion or for the religion of Tire.
      A king can "cry" for the loss of a political ally (therefore for the fall of a nation) and a great merchant can cry for the fall of a commercial ally (which can be big or small but certainly rich nation).
      So the reasons that "Babylon the Great" can not be a nation because kings and merchants mourn his departure are not valid.
      What can we say, however, of the strongest affirmation in reference to Babylon La Grande, that is, that "all nations have been misled by its spiritual practice"?
      This statement in particular has led many to think that it was a religious empire (for many sects of Christianity Babylon the Great is Catholicism and for some Catholics it is even the Second Vatican Council).
      First of all we must realize that all the empires of the past have resorted to spiritualistic practices and this is also true of modern so-called atheist empires.
      Pharaoh opposed his "magic practitioners" to Moses and Nebuchadnezzar was practically surrounded - Exodus 7:11 - Daniel 2: 2
      The same can be said of Assyria, Syria, Media Persia etc.
      So if the Bible, speaking of a literal nation, said that "uses magic" or "divination practice", it would not say anything exceptional.
      We also know from the study of the Scriptures that nations are governed by demons that mislead the entire inhabited earth and that during the wars not only human beings are involved - Daniel 10:13
      Can we hypothesize that the demons have given particular power to a nation and that this has, today, "the kingdom over the kings of the earth"? - Revelation 17:18 see also Luke 4: 5-7
      By comparing the Scriptures without preconceptions, it is not possible to exclude "Babylon the Great" among the nations.
      Question 2
      "Does the literal people of modern Israel match the description that the Bible makes of Babylon the Great?"
      In Revelation 17: 1, 2 we read that Babylon the Great "sits on many waters".
      We know that the waters mean "peoples and crowds and nations and languages"
      Israel "sits on many waters" because it is surrounded by many peoples and nations that can not stand it ("to sit on" can also mean against the will of the neighboring peoples). In Isaiah 8: 5-8 one speaks of the powerful Assyrian army as "devastating waters"; therefore the "waters" are not always a symbol of protection - Isaiah 8: 5-8
      It was put there by the UN against the will of the many neighboring nations.
      It also sits "on many waters" because his position is due to the nations that make up the United Nations (Babylon the Great also sits on the wild beast of scarlet color) that, besides having settled it where it is still, protect it militarily.
      The armies of Assyria are compared to "devastating waters", so we can say that they also sit on many armies? - Revelation 17: 3, 16
      it is also noteworthy that the nation of Israel is right in the "crossroads" of three continents: Europe, Africa, Asia.
      If I wanted to find a literal nation located above "many waters" (ie peoples and nations and tribes and languages) both geographically and politically, no other nation would correspond better than the modern nation of Israel.
      The harlot rides a beast.
      In Revelation 17: 3 we read "And the angel brought me into the power of the spirit in a wilderness." And I saw a woman seated on a wild scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. "
      The nation of Israel is already in a desert today and rides on the wild beast of scarlet color which, as we know, is the League or League of Nations ascended from the abyss with the name U.N.
      Israel exists, thanks to the push of the Anglo-American empire, thanks and through the United Nations, since 1948.
      Historical events prior to and following the creation of the state of Israel confirm that the Jewish people have ridden the scarlet-colored wild beast even before returning to being a nation (I invite you to do a research on Balfour and all the historical background before 1948).
      Mother of all prostitutes.
      Revelation 17: 4-5: "And the woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and she was adorned with gold and precious stone and pearls, and she had in her hand a golden cup full of disgusting things and the unclean things of her fornication. on his forehead was written a name, a mystery: 'Babylon the Great, the mother of the harlots and of the disgusting things of the earth' ".
      If we accept the possibility that a nation is compared to a prostitute (just like Tire), then the nation of Israel is the "mother of all prostitutes" because it has committed greater fornication than any other nation in the world.
      How can we say it?
      If the prostitute rides the scarlet-colored wild beast, which, as we know, is the League or League of Nations, is supposed to have committed fornication with all the nations adhering to the United Nations.
      Indeed, its very existence as a nation is due to his political lovers so, to continue to exist, must commit prostitution in excess and continuously.
      No other nation can compare itself to her as acts of prostitution because no other nation has the urgent need to please the UN to continue to exist.
      it is also possible that in the Bible it is described as a prostitute because it is not a real "queen" but a forcing. It is an empire carved out of art for a prostitute.
      The woman is also "dressed in purple and scarlet and adorned with gold and precious stone ..." so she is simply dressed like a queen but the purple and scarlet colors are still the colors of luxury and royal power and this would strengthen the idea that we are talking about a kingdom, a literal nation.
      In the same way the beast that the prostitute rides is scarlet in color and the beast, as we know, is the League or Society of Nations (all members of the United Nations represent literal nations). The scarlet color, color of both the wild beast and the harlot, is significant.
      Drunk with the blood of the saints.
      The writing continues saying "And I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints and of the witnesses of Jesus".
      Israel has an enormous blood fault and Jesus referred to this very nation when he said: “so that there may come upon you all the righteous blood spilled on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel+ to the blood of Zech·a·ri?ah son of Bar·a·chi?ah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar” - Matthew 23:35; Luke 11:50, 51
      So Jesus himself identifies Israel, not another nation, as responsible for the payment of "all the right blood" (compare also the words of Stephen recorded in Acts 7: 51-53).
      The book "Insight", under the heading "Babylon the Great", correctly points out that not all Christians were persecuted by the Pharisees and the Jews themselves have suffered, in turn, a great persecution.
      However, even Abel was not killed by a Pharisee or even by any religious minister.
      Moreover, the millions of deaths caused by the communist, atheist empire, could hardly be pointed to false religion.
      Can we hypothesize that Jehovah and Jesus hold particularly responsible those who have "known God" and, despite this, commit unspeakable crimes?
      The nation of Israel fits perfectly in this context. - Hosea 8: 2 - Amos 3: 2
      It should also be said that the blood of "all those slaughtered on earth" is referring to the last war (which is yet to come) and therefore is saying that Israel will be the real behind-the-scenes cause of this war.
      However, this last parat needs other explanations for which, for the moment, omit it.
      Condolence for the end of Babylon.
      Revelation 18: 9-14 says: “And the kings of the earth who committed sexual immorality* with her and lived with her in shameless luxury will weep and beat themselves in grief over her when they see the smoke from her burning. 10  They will stand at a distance because of their fear of her torment and say: ‘Too bad, too bad, you great city,+ Babylon you strong city, because in one hour your judgment has arrived!’ 11  “Also, the merchants of the earth are weeping and mourning over her, because there is no one to buy their full cargo anymore, 12  a full cargo of gold, silver, precious stones, pearls, fine linen, purple cloth, silk, and scarlet cloth; and everything made from scented wood; and every sort of object made from ivory, and from precious wood, copper, iron, and marble; 13  also cinnamon, Indian spice, incense, perfumed oil, frankincense, wine, olive oil, fine flour, wheat, cattle, sheep, horses, carriages, slaves, and human lives.* 14  Yes, the fine fruit that you* desired has left you, and all the delicacies and the splendid things have vanished from you, never to be found again”.
      As we saw at the beginning, both the kings of the earth and the travelers traders suffer for the demise of their lover.
      Unlike any other nation, the destruction of Israel would bring desperation and "misfortune" between rulers and traders all over the world.
      Why?
      Because the Jewish people are owners of the world's largest banks, almost all of the gold, oil, the largest multinationals and everything that can be imagined.
      The largest world powers (including the US, USSR and China) have benefited from copious loans to wage war on other nations and to build massive and colossal structures (such as the Suez Canal).
      Just do some research to find out how and how many owners of the world's largest banks have been involved in almost every wars of the last two centuries and probably far back in time.
      The words of Revelation 18: 11-14 that speak of 'full of gold and silver and precious stone and pearls and fine linen and purple and silk and scarlet, and each smelling wood and all sorts of ivory objects and all sorts of precious wood and copper and iron and marble, and cinnamon and Indian spice and incense and fragrant oil and olibanum and wine and olive oil and flour and wheat flour and cattle and sheep and horses and carriages and slaves and human souls' are significant.
      Imagining the global economic consequences for the collapse of 80% of all the existing banks and therefore the immediate and simultaneous failure of thousands of companies spread all over the world ... one could conclude that a crisis of this size would not be reflected in all the history of man - Matthew 24:21
      Really the kings of the earth and travelers traders around the world would be right to beat their chests, to mourn and cry, "Woe!"
      "Get out of her, my people".
      Revelation 18: 4 says:And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people,+ if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues”.
      If Babylon the Great is the modern nation of Israel then it is easy to understand to whom this urgent appeal is addressed: to our dear brothers present in the nation of Israel who are also "a remnant to be saved".
      If they stayed there, they would receive part of his wounds as a result of the United Nations' furious attack.
      This possibility is to be evaluated very seriously.
      This would also mean that the destruction of Jerusalem, occurred in 537 a.E.V. and then in 70 E.V. would have a further and definitive fulfillment. The third (Revelation 4: 8; 8:13; 16:13, 19 - Ezekiel 21:14).
      Question two asked: "Does the literal people of modern Israel match the description that the Bible makes of Babylon the Great?
      Whether we like it or not, and as much as it can constitute a "domino effect" on other interpretations, this is in harmony both with the secular history and with the Scriptures.
      So the answer is yes.
      Question 3
      Which of the two subjects, in the light of the Scriptures and not of desires or personal ideas, is more likely to be?
      Honestly, the whole description that the Bible makes of Babylon the Great corresponds very well to false religion and so it is very difficult to understand if the Bible wants to point us to a literal nation or the false religion as a whole.
      The shameless immorality, extreme violence, the desire for domination, spiritual prostitution, arrogance and presumption ... are all characteristics of the worldwide empire of false religion as well as of present-day Israel.
      The clues, however, should be more than enough, if seen without preconceptions, to understand the subject.
      Reflections
      As written at the beginning of this treatise, hundreds of parallels are found in the Bible between Babylon and unfaithful Israel.
      Even the cup "full of disgusting things" from which the harlot gets inebriated recalls the utensils of Jehovah's temple.
      The problem is to understand what we must understand when we read these parallels.
      All of Jehovah's judgments, reported in the Scriptures, have fallen upon peoples and literal nations and even the wounds sent to the land of Egypt, which served to destroy / humiliate their false gods, however, had to fall upon a specific nation.
      In the book "The prophecies of Isaiah" volume 1, page 202 paragraph 28 (Italian edition) reports Isaiah 19: 3 and we read ...
      "Likewise, on the day of judgment, the false religion will be unable to save this corrupt system of things".
      But if Egypt represents the world as a whole, we are already at Armageddon (in Isaiah 19: 2 Jehovah puts "Egyptian against Egyptian") and the world empire of false religion (if it is Babylon the Great) has already been destroyed .
      Now, if the world empire of false religion has already been previously destroyed, in what sense will "people resort to worthless gods, to spellcasters and spirit mediums"?
      Only a world still imbued with religion, after the destruction of Babylon the Great, could "resort to worthless gods".
      The above could be in harmony with the writing of Zechariah 13: 4-6, which speaks of the "prophet" who will deny ever having been?
      The Watchtower of 15 July 2015, under the heading "The beginning of the great tribulation", says ... "It seems therefore that even some members of the clergy will abandon their religious career and deny ever having been part of the false religion".
      Yet if for the adherents of Babylon the Great enough to "change coat" to save their lives (which would make the majority of them, not having a true faith), one would not say that it was "torn and completely burned with fire". It is also difficult to imagine this "great mourning" since the majority of the clergy, especially that of Christianity, would still be alive after the destruction of Babylon the Great.
      The book "Revelation", in chapter 19 paragraph 29 says ... "Neither the caverns of the literal mountains nor the political-commercial organizations comparable to the mountains will offer economic security or help of another kind".
      However, even false worship in the Bible is related to "high places" for example in Ezekiel 6: 1-5 (high places that did not protect unfaithful Israelites from Jehovah's wrath).
      Is it possible to hypothesize that on the day of Jehovah's wrath (hence after the Great Tribulation) human beings will seek protection in political, commercial and religious institutions?
      If we accept the possibility that Babylon the Great is a literal place (and be modern Israel) we must consider that even the mountains, above which the woman sits, are literal mountains.
      There is always talk of the seven world powers of biblical history but we never talk about the seven mountains.
      We never talk about the seven mountains because the political powers, they say, are the seven mountains.
      Yet the writing of Revelation 17 explains that there are seven kings ... and (joining, in my language, that is "and there are also") seven mountains and this conjunction could suggest that even though the mountains depict powers as we know , there are actually seven mountains as objects of similitude with the number of kings.
      It would seem a literal clue useful for identifying Babylon the Great.
      Now the question is ... Which and how many mountains are indicated in the Scriptures that were part of the Promised Land?
      1) Mount Moria 2) Mount Zion 3) Mount of Olives 4) Gilboa 5) Gerizim 6) Ebal 7) Mount Tabor.
      N.B. Mount Nebo and the others, also mentioned in the Scriptures, were part of the territory of Moab and Edom and are therefore excluded.
      This parallel is simply impossible to do with the world empire of false religion.
      Revelation 3:12 and other scriptures that are fulfilled after the Lord's day, which mention the New Jerusalem, seem to emphasize a distinction with Old Jerusalem.
      In chap. 18 of Revelation, Babylon the Great is destroyed.
      In chap 19: 7, 8 the marriage of the lamb is prepared, so ...
      The prostitute dies as a bride and the marriage can finally begin.
      Marriage takes place with the "New Jerusalem"; was the prostitute is maybe the "Old Jerusalem" that is the carnal, impure, disobedient, idolatrous? - I Corinthians 9: 6-8; 10:18 - Galatians 4: 26-29
      I would like to point out to you that the book Revelation, besides having the symbols, also has contrasts.
      For example you can see that the beast with two horns of lamb is set against the real Lamb.
      The mark of the wild beast is set in contrast with the name engraved on the forehead that the 144,000 have - see Revelation 13:11, 16; 14: 1
      Now in Revelation you will see that there is a pure woman who is the legitimate bride and then there is a woman who, on the contrary, is a prostitute.
      So the question we should ask ourselves is: if Babylon the Great is a nation, which is the only nation in the whole world, that would have the qualifications to pass itself off as "legitimate bride" when, in reality, she prostitutes herself with other nations ? -
      Babylon is also called "the great city" and the only biblical reference is Nineveh, the "city of bloodshed".
      This seems to be in harmony with the fact that Babylon is drunk with the blood of saints, prophets and everyone.
      However, in Jeremiah chap. 22 Jehovah condemns Judah, which is the city of Sallum and Ioiachim, and people call this city "the great city".
      Thus, even the city that once belonged to Jehovah is called the "great city".
      Of the two clothed witnesses described in chapter 11 of Revelation it is said that, once killed, "their corpses will be on the wide street of the great city which in spiritual sense is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was put to the stake "- Revelation 11: 8
      In which "great city" did the Lord Jesus have been killed?
      Finally we could ask ourselves why, the writer of Revelation, after having seen frightful wild beasts, incredible celestial visions both beautiful and terrifying, thundering declarations and many other things, only at the sight of the woman he is "marvels of great wonder" - Revelation 17: 6 , 7
      Could it have "marveled of great wonder" for having seen its own people and its own nation (which at the time of the writing of Revelation no longer existed)?
      When in 70 E.V. the first Christians received the command to "flee to the mountains" in view of the destruction that would have occurred through the "disgusting thing" (represented at the time by the Roman Empire) they understood it as "separating from Judaism" or this was a consequence natural of the Teacher's teachings? Did not they understand it as literally to get out of the city?
      Jeremiah 25:10, 11 and Revelation 18:22, 23 are very similar to each other, yet Jeremiah speaks of Israel while Revelation speaks of Babylon the Great.
      In Revelation 18: 5-8 it is said that "God has remembered his acts of injustice".
      Why did God "remember"?
      False religion has not always done evil, in 6,000 history, without stopping a moment since the days of Nimrod?
      Or, if Babylon were "the world", did God forget the actions of the world?
      Could it not be because "Babylon" has not existed for many years, as a nation, but appears again after the "Lord's Day" by another name?
      In Revelation 16: 16-21 we are now in Armageddon, the great city is divided into three parts, the nations fall and Babylon "was remembered".
      So Babylon is related to the fall of other nations as if it were a "special" nation, something to remember, but still a nation.
      Which, among all the nations of the earth, could it be considered "special" by Jehovah God?
      Could the golden cup full of "disgusting things" held in the hands of the great harlot remember the utensils of the temple of God? - Compare Daniel 5: 1-4
      Question one.
      According to the explanation of the book "Revelation: its climax" it is appropriate that the great harlot sit on the wild beast of scarlet color because, the false religion, has always had power over the kings of the earth even coming to name and oust them.
      We know that the League or League of Nations also has representatives as "old nations" mentioned in the bible as Rome, Media-Persia and others but it would not have been more logical to see the "great whore" ride the first wild beast and that which ascends from the sea, since the false religion exists since the days of Nimrod?
      Instead the great harlot sits on that beast that "was, but is not, and is about to ascend from the abyss, and will go into destruction" - Revelation 17: 8a
      What rode the world empire of false religion (or Rome, or the world) when the beast was not?
      Question two.
      As has been pointed out, in the Bible Israel is compared to a wife and Jehovah to the marital owner.
      When it showed itself unfaithful, allying itself with other nations and mixing with the false adoration, Israel became "infidel" and even "prostitute".
      Christianity claims to serve God but, in reality, prostitutes itself with the nations and with every false doctrine of pagan origin.
      However, if Babylon the Great is the world empire of false religion (and therefore also includes religions such as Buddhism, Shintoism, Hinduism, tribal religions, etc.), why is it considered, as a whole, a prostitute?
      Jehovah has never identified himself as the "marital owner" of nations like Ammon, Moab, Egypt, or others (not even in Rome or the world).
      So if we applied the concept of prostitution exclusively in the spiritual-religious (or politic) sense, it would seem that this infamous prostitute is exclusively Christianity.
      Throughout the entire Bible, what is the only nation that Jehovah considers responsible for his prostitution? - Amos 3: 1, 2

    • By Israeli Bar Avaddhon
      In our path of study of the prophecies, as already seen in various previous articles, we will have come across something that we would not have believed possible. The understanding of Babylon the Great, as well as that concerning Armageddon, the Jerusalem above or the Heavenly Jerusalem, have indeed constituted great changes in the official understanding of Jehovah's Witnesses. We can not ignore the chain effects that these "changes of vision" have produced and continue to produce on many other more or less important doctrines. The author of this blog would like above all to clarify that all the theses presented so far have never been considered inspired or infallible and therefore each reader is invited to make their own evaluations (and maybe to contribute) by comparing and meditating on the Scriptures without any injury. At the same time, however, the author is equally convinced that the articles showed respect for the Bible and used it as a guide and supreme authority. Every affirmation, whenever it was possible, was accompanied or confirmed by one or more Scriptures and therefore, although certain arguments went against the official teaching, it was decided to do so in good conscience. The possible firm conviction of the author as well as certain categorical expressions used are exclusively due to this: the support of the Scriptures - John 17:17; 2 Timothy 3:16, 17; 2 Corinthians 10: 4, 5 The article that will be developed now, will also consist of a significant change of vision and we will see how, changing the conditions, real or possible scenarios become real that, until the day before yesterday, we would have considered really far-fetched - Job 42 :2; Mark 10:27 The wisest thing that each of us can do is to evaluate that every thesis presented is really in harmony with the Scripture, and nothing else, without closing up in shell or reshaping the power of God to what we think possible - Mark 12:24 ; Job 38: 4 What do we know, with certainty, of the battle of Armageddon?     What do we know about the Armageddon war? Speaking of the war of the great day of the Almighty God, what do we know for sure? - 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Well, we know that it is not total destruction due to a human war, a solar flare, a meteorite or other Hollywood nonsense - Isaiah 45:18; Psalm 78:69; Ecclesiastes 1: 4 We know it is the crucial war in which God takes revenge on his enemies and on the enemies of His people - Psalm 2: 3-6; Sofonia 1:18; Zechariah 2: 8 We also know that it is the occasion when Jehovah is magnified and makes himself known to the nations - Ezekiel 36:22, 23 It is the war that will free His people from oppression and slavery and will finally begin the Millennial Kingdom - Exodus 15: 11-13; Revelation 7:10 These are reliable informations. For the rest, when it will happen, what means it will use, which scenario will present itself just before the outbreak of this war, etc., only assumptions are made. One of these assumptions, which seems to have a strict logic, is that the place in Hebrew is called Har-Maghedon, is not a literal place but a situation. In practice it would be the situation in which all the enemies of God find themselves fighting against His People, wherever they are. This conclusion seems absolutely logical because how could a war of such proportions, which should encompass all of humanity and therefore billions of people, take place in such a small geographical area? It is absurd to even think about it. However, before closing our faculties of perception on any contrary subject we try to consider the following - James 1:19 First of all we have seen that the war between the king of the north and the king of the south, which is a prophecy to come, could greatly reduce the number of people present on earth including their armies - compare Revelation 6: 3, 7, 8 It's a raw topic we would not like to talk about but the prophecies seem clear. This topic has been dealt with in various previous articles, including the one entitled "Who is the horn that became very great?". Furthermore, as we saw in the article titled "Which nations disappear in Armageddon?" We know that the war of Armageddon will not destroy all nations and people on the planet. This war will indeed destroy the satanic system which includes the savage beast, the kings of the earth and their armies - 1 John 3: 8 Seen from this point of view, perhaps the fact that this war can be fought in a specific and relatively restricted place becomes a possibility? Furthermore it is necessary to make a couple of clarifications. Har-Magedon, which means "Mountain of Megiddo", is not a specific reference to that "tell" that you see in Volume 1 of the book "Insight" (page 953 in the edition in Italian). What you see in photography is what remains of ancient Megiddo, a small hill built on 26 layers of ruins of ancient cities. That is "Megiddo" but where's the mountain? Since there is no mountain called "Mount of Megiddo" we try to make assumptions without prematurely concluding that the whole argument is symbolic. Megiddo is located at the entrance of the pass through the chain of Mount Carmel, which overlooks the valley of Esdraelon from the south-west. So the Mount of Megiddo might be Mount Carmel (compare 1 Kings 18:19, 20, Jeremiah 46:18, Amos 1: 2; 9: 3; Naum 1: 3, 4) and could include all the hilly countryside that surrounds the valley of Megiddo, one hundred kilometers north of Jerusalem, including the valley of Esdraelon. Space is noticeable, but before assuming any calculation, we try to ask ourselves according to what logic or why the kings of the earth should / could be there. To a superficial judgment it would seem a stupid thing. The kings of the earth and their armies will not be able to fight against Christ and his elect (though they will try to - compare Revelation 19:19, 20) and so it is evident that they will take it upon His people. Why, then, to concentrate in one area of the earth (whatever it is) to try to destroy the people of God if it is found in all the inhabited earth? we have seen that the earth chosen by God for His people is still the Promised Land and the gathering of Israel will be literal.
      The article in part said, "When nations have run out of time, including both the trampling of Jerusalem and the persecution, Armageddon will begin to destroy this beast and all the compact peoples in the fight against the Lamb. At that moment Jerusalem will have been freed and the people of God, after the necessary period spent in the "inner rooms", will be able to go to that country which is still part of the promise and where in a short time it will begin to flow milk and honey - Isaiah 26: 20 " What have we seen so far? We have seen that Babylon the Great is modern apostate Israel but this has to do with the people who occupy it, certainly not with the geographical area which, in itself, can not have merit or guilt - Zechariah 5: 6-8 So, once Israel is liberated from Babylon the Great, Jehovah will bring His people back to that land that bears His name and will be inhabited from generation to generation - Joel 3:20 The crucial question is therefore: will this rallying and consequent exodus to the Promised Land begin after Armageddon or its approach? Some scriptures suggest that this happens just before the final battle. How can we say it? We have seen that during the last war between the king of the north and the king of the south, some nations are able to escape - see Daniel 11:41 The writing mentions Edom, Moab and Ammon and, coincidentally, these are the same nations in which a part of the people of Israel found shelter in the past - compare Psalm 60: 8, 9; Isaiah 16: 4; Jeremiah 40:11 The logical conclusion is that the people of God who survived the war, since they will have to live again Israel now liberated by the Great Whore, are in the vicinity of the Promised Land at least some time before the final battle. This situation would also be similar to what happened in the past but on a much larger scale. If the meeting takes place before Armageddon, then it becomes logical and plausible that the "kings of the earth" will gather in the place that in Hebrew is called Har-Maghedon. This is done to prevent the achievement of the Promised Land (and kill them all at once - compares Psalm 2: 1-6) or simply to kill them once they reach. This hypothesis makes reasonable not only the literal gathering of kings and armies but also the specific place of the gathering. Let's try, for a moment, to read Revelation as if it were the first time and as if they had not taught us anything. The writing says “And I saw three unclean inspired expressions* that looked like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon+ and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14  They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and they perform signs,+ and they go out to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war+ of the great day of God the Almighty ( ... ) And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Armageddon" – Revelation 16:13, 14, 16 Without doing any disquisition on what terms and what it means, the first image that would come to mind are the kings who are gathered together somewhere, is not it? In fact, the writing says that these frogs "gathered them", which makes one think that these kings are heading towards a specific place. After all we have never done any disquisitions on the idea that these frogs actually go to the kings of the earth; we have never hypothesized that their "going to" the kings of the earth was symbolic because it is evident that, if these kings live in different and distant nations, these frogs have to go or go towards them. But we have re-discussed that the kings go somewhere. So frogs go literally (they must reach these kings) while kings go in a symbolic sense. That is, they do not go anywhere. The question that would be spontaneous to those who did not know anything about the issues at stake would be ... "Why do the kings of the earth, at the approach of the war, go to the place called Har-Maghedon (whatever place it is)?" In a war scenario, the answer would become simple: because the object of contention is in that area or near that area. Any nation that would place its army on the borders of another nation would send a strong and clear message. He is preparing for the war. In this case, however, the question does not concern the conquest of the territory of Israel but the extermination of the people who intend to live there - Psalm 2: 1-4 Finally we must distinguish the kings of the earth from their armies. The writing of Revelation says that only the kings of the earth are gathered at Har-Maghedon. How many will be the kings of the earth, following their ministers, their officials in various capacities, their bodyguards, etc? A few thousand? A few tens of thousands? Is the entire hilly area of Carmel and the valley of Esdraelon it’s sufficient to accommodate a few tens of thousands of people? Obviously yes, even only the Carmel. Where will the armies be and for which aircraft will they be extended? We do not have a precise answer but we can make some reasoning based on what we know from the scriptures. The simple distinction, which perhaps few have noticed, between the kings of the earth and their armies, should make every hypothesis fall "of the impossibility of the event" because if the Bible does not specify the area of armies extension they could really be hundreds of millions and even billions of people. The final battle would take place "around the Mount of Megiddo" for an indefinite area (why could not they cover all of Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Egypt, Syria and Iraq for example?) God's people would still be surrounded, the writing would not it would fail and Jehovah would rise above the nations. So, regardless of all the reasoning we have just made, if the Bible does not specify the extent of the armies deployed against the people of God, all the discourse on the secure symbolic nature of writing lapses or at least is not as reasonable as it initially seemed. We will try however to "build" the extension of this army only on the basis of what we know and keeping as close as possible so that all the talk will acquire heaviness and it is really the Bible to speak - Romans 3: 4 Regarding the last dominant king described in Daniel chapters 11 and 12 we know that he will place his tents "between the great sea and the holy Mount of the Adornment" - Daniel 11:45 After this event "he will have to come to his end, and there will not be a rescuer for him" and then it is understood that "pitching the tents" is the last action he performs before his final destruction. We have also seen that the destruction of Babylon the Great (or the nation of Israel) is the prelude to Armageddon and not to the great tribulation. As a result, the army of the last ruling king should already be present on the territory of Israel before the final battle * (see footnote). He simply has to wait for all the others to come (it is to be noted, in fact, that the writing which calls for the gathering of the kings of the earth at Har-Maghedon makes no mention of the wild beast. He is not mentioned because he is among the kings or simply because it is already there?). However, for the moment we do not know whether this immense army will stand as a shield to prevent Israel from entering or whether it will wait for "the people gathered from all the earth" to actually enter the country and then surround it - see for example Joel 3: 9- 12; Nehemiah 6:16; Psalm 44:13; 59: 5, 6; 76:11, 12; 97: 1-3; Jeremiah 1: 14-16; 6:25; 25: 9; Lamentations 1:17 For the moment we can imagine both situations since concepts do not change. So, to obstruct any access to the coming people, the armies will have to cover Israel at least for its entire length. Does this seem reasonable to you? So we have to hypothesize an extension that goes from the Great Sea (the Mediterranean) to the Mount of the Adornment west of Israel and an extension at least similar to the east side of Israel (in terms of width). So a length at least equal to that of Israel if not more. What area are we talking about? We can only make an estimate but a territory equal to twice the current Israel should cover an area of 45 / 50,000 square kilometers. With this in mind, let us now assume how powerful this army could be. A site makes a list of the ten most numerous armies (updated to 2015). This is the list with the respective numbers.   CHINA (number of staff: 2.285.000). UNITED STATES (1.458.000). INDIA (1.325.000) NORTH KOREA (1.106.000) RUSSIA (1.027.000) TURKEY (666,500) SOUTH KOREA (639,000). PAKISTAN (617,000) IRAN (523,000). EGYPT (468,000)   The total number of staff would be just over ten million people. We also consider that, as we saw at the beginning, the war between the kings of the north and the king of the south by then will have greatly reduced the numbers and at least a part of the nations listed above may not exist anymore. For the benefit of the numbers, however, it must be said that in case of conflict the "effective" would not be the only ones to go to war. The numbers could be greatly underestimated (it is doubtful, in fact, that the official numbers correspond to the real ones). Finally we must consider that this is the last move of Satan before being thrown into the abyss for a thousand years so he would have every interest in making the armies as numerous as possible. So we multiply by five these numbers and assume that the final attack includes 50 million armed soldiers to the teeth. The area we estimated could contain fifty million people? Yes and fairly well if we consider that these people are not there to live or stay but simply as soldiers waiting to launch a furious attack. Every soldier would have a living space of about one square meter. Do you remember the photographs in which Hitler had his huge troops? In those large gatherings there were probably three or four people every square meter.   In Hitler's huge gatherings there were probably 3 or 4 people per square meter   It is evident that we are making assumptions and the estimates, both of the army and of the militarized area, could vary a lot, but the point we want to illustrate is simply one. Despite the ideas that we made about the war of Har-Magedon, and how they are rooted in us, we can not exclude that the final battle takes place in this geographical area and that it will prove to be the biggest fight in the history of humanity. Indeed, the scriptures mentioned in support of the argument suggest that this is not simply a possibility. Any new understanding, however, can make other scriptures harmonious or create forcing. Forcing should be an indicator that "something is wrong". What happens with the other scriptures, understanding that the place of the final battle will be a specific and relatively restricted place? Meanwhile, as we have mentioned, this situation would be very similar to several biblical episodes we know - see for example Exodus 14: 10-14; 2 Kings 18: 19-25 Jehovah would be exalted in the midst of the nations precisely because, not being really all destroyed, the distant peoples and nations would speak of this event with terror and for centuries - compare Joshua 2: 9-11; Deuteronomy 2:25; Psalm 112: 10 Isaiah 63: 1-6 describes Jehovah coming from Edom who, as we have seen, is one of the places where God's people find refuge, and from there he begins to "tread peoples into His wrath." Psalm 2: 2 describes all the peoples and national groups united "as one man" and this gives the idea that the rulers of the earth, and therefore their armies, are effectively gathered somewhere as one army, a single mass and compact. Finally (but not "finally" because you will find many other similarities if you want to look for them) suddenly becomes clear why the king of the north is troubled because of news from the east and the north - see Daniel 11:44 So far what have we been told? In other words ... we have been told that we do not know. In the book "Pay attention to the prophecies of Daniel" on page 283 (Italian edition) we speak of Gog of Magog (among other things in the understanding that it is Satan the Devil) and paragraph 26 concludes with the words "But what at the end they will contain the news from the east and from the north only God will establish it and time will tell it ". Instead, understanding the scenario that will be created shortly before the final battle we can guess why this king is so upset. He sees the people of God, who evidently believed he had eliminated, gathered and on their way to the Promised Land! Depict the scene. It is easy to imagine that he understands that there is God, the True God and not the farce built by the false prophet behind all this. Despite his immense power and his fury, he has not succeeded in eliminating the people of God who are now reaching the Promised Land in fulfillment of Bible prophecy. It is not surprising that this causes great anger in him and comes out "with great fury to annihilate and to vote many to destruction", or the people of God gathered there - Daniel 11:43 And this explains why he "will pitch the tents of his palace between [the] great sea and the holy mount of the Adornment". Let's take a moment to imagine the scene and see us there, intent on reaching the promised land as the Israelites were in the time of Moses. Perhaps we may find ourselves imprisoned between the Great Sea and the army or we may be a few kilometers from the border and see "men of extraordinary stature" - Numbers 13:33 Perhaps some of us, seeing such a colossal army, might doubt Jehovah's power or his will to protect us - Isaiah 43:10, 11 Try to imagine how many situations described in the Bible would become the mirror of those last moments of the system of things. It is not difficult to see the harmony of the Word of God and to understand what will happen if we free ourselves from our conditioning and do not associate the word "impossible" with God. Is not it a wonderful prospect? One day, towards the end of the terrifying events that will occur on earth, someone will call us to lead us to the Promised Land, but the journey will be reserved only for those who will understand the prophecy and act accordingly. Next stop: Israel. Take the ticket. Make reservations now. The forecasts say that the area will be quite crowded.     Footnote. The article entitled "1290 and 1335 days" shows a difference of 45 days between trampling on God's people and achieving his "happiness" - see Daniel 12:12 These 45 days could include the time of the gathering of the people of God and the consequent exodus that will lead them to cross the boundaries of the Promised Land.   It is necessary to specify that even if the lowering of the waters of the Euphrates has to do with the destruction of these peoples and not simply with the loss of the defenses, this could refer to the peoples that surround Israel and not with Israel - compare Joel 3 : 4 This could mean that the payment of the sixth cup of the angel is not yet the actual destruction of Babylon the Great and therefore the people of Israel might still be alive and active when God's people approach it to "repopulate". As strange as this may seem, this seems to be in harmony with Revelation 16:19 which says that God would have remembered Babylon "to give it the cup of wine of the fury of his wrath" and by reading the context this happens during or near of the judgment of armageddon - compare Revelation 16:13 Other Bibles translate in a similar way and therefore it would seem evident that when nations gather in Armageddon, God still has to pour his wrath upon Babylon the Great. If this understanding is correct, when the king of the north "will come out with great fury to annihilate and vote many to destruction" it is possible that in his blinding fury he will strike first the nation that had always been their lover - compare Revelation 18 : 10, 15, 18 (see also Zechariah 14:13, 14) And obviously this will happen by God's will - Revelation 17:17 This possibility makes very probable the situation in which the people of God are effectively blocked between Israel (still populated) and all the armies of the world.  
    • By Israeli Bar Avaddhon
      The sixth one poured out his bowl on the great river Eu·phra?tes,+ and its water was dried up+ to prepare the way for the kings+ from the rising of the sun – Revelation 16:12   Who are the "kings coming from the rising sun" described in Revelation 16:12? The question might seem silly or too simple. All Jehovah's Witnesses, or nearly all, have learned that the kings from the rising sun are Jehovah and His Son Christ. The book "Revelation its climax" in this regard says Â… This is also bad news for Babylon the Great! 21 At the height of the splendor of ancient Babylon, the copious waters of the Euphrates were a fundamental element of its defensive system. In 539 a.E.V. those waters dried up when their course was diverted by the Persian leader Cyrus. This allowed Cyrus the Persian and Darius the Medus, the kings coming from the "rising sun" (ie from the east), to enter and conquer Babylon. At the crucial moment the Euphrates failed as a defense of that great city. (Isaiah 44: 27-45: 7; Jeremiah 51:36) Something similar must happen to modern Babylon, the world system of false religion. 22 Babylon the Great "sits on many waters". According to Revelation 17: 1, 15, these symbolize "peoples and crowds and nations and tongues", multitudes of followers whom it considers a protection. But the "waters" are drying up! In Western Europe, where it once exerted great influence, hundreds of millions of people are now openly without religion. In some countries, for many years a policy has been stubbornly aimed at eradicating the influence of religion. In these countries the masses did not rise in its defense. Likewise, when the time comes when Babylon the Great will have to be destroyed, the decreasing number of her followers will turn out to be no protection for her. (Revelation 17:16) Although boasting of having billions of followers, Babylon the Great will find herself helpless before the "kings coming from the rising sun". 23 Who are these kings? In 539 a.E.V. they were Darius the Medus and Cyrus the Persian, who were employed by Jehovah to conquer the ancient city of Babylon. On this day of the Lord, the false religious system of Babylon the Great will be equally destroyed by human rulers. But once again it will be a divine judgment. Jehovah God and Jesus Christ, the "kings coming from the rising sun," will have to put the "thought" of turning against Babylon the Great and completely destroying it in the hearts of human rulers. (Revelation 17:16, 17) The pouring of the sixth cup publicly proclaims that this judgment is about to be performed! (paragraphs 20 to 23, pages 229-230 of the Italian edition).     Are the Almighty God and His Son Christ the "kings coming from the rising sun"?     However, some questions arise. Let us admit that Cyrus and Darius represent Jehovah and Christ (even if it seems a somewhat risky parallel) and we admit that we can skip the action of the United Nations * (see footnote) because of what Revelation 17: 17 says. "Preparing the way" means creating the conditions to pass. Also wanting to assert that instead of referring to the passage we refer to something else (how to carry out a destruction) "preparing the way" always means "creating the favorable conditions for doing something". It is clear that if we talk about Cyrus and Darius, they, being simple human beings, really needed someone to prepare the way because if they could not divert the Euphrates River they would never cross the borders of Babylon. Can we say the same about Jehovah and Christ? Do they need someone to "prepare the way for them" in order to cross or defeat anyone? Obviously not - Isaiah 40:15 It is also reasonable to believe that the angel in charge of pouring the cup on the Euphrates River to prepare the way for Jehovah and Christ as to simplify them things? The current explanation in effect says that Jehovah and Christ will destroy Babylon the Great, by which time the people (represented by the water of the river) does not protect you anymore. But does God Almighty and His Son Christ really need to weaken the defensive walls of Babylon the Great in order to destroy it? Moreover, if indeed Babylon the Great loses the love of her lovers, is not the strange reaction that kings and traders show immediately after its destruction? - compare Revelation 18: 9-19 The official explanation states "The reaction of nations may seem surprising if we take into account the fact that Babylon was destroyed by the symbolic ten horns of the scarlet wild beast. (Revelation 17:16) But once Babylon, the" kings of earth "will clearly show how useful it was to keep the people quiet and subservient" (Chapter 37, paragraph 2). So Babylon the Great had lost the love of her lovers, had not lost it or regained it after its destruction? - Compare Revelation 18: 7 Moreover, the nations were not aware even before this nation "was useful for them to keep the people quiet and subservient"? ** Let us reflect on the words of Revelation 17:15 which identify the waters as "peoples and crowds and nations and languages". If the waters are people, and these are placed to protect a nation, they can lower themselves in two different ways. Either these people lose interest in that nation (ie they do not protect it any more and then it would really mean that its lovers got fed up with her) or those people simply are gone - compare Revelation 9: 13-15 (see also Jeremiah 50: 35-38; 51:36, 37) Furthermore, in the basic writing of this article the water of the Euphrates river only dries up when the angel pours his cup.   This means that up until a moment before the river bed was normally swollen. These reflections should cast a shadow over all those disquisitions that would wish for Babylon the Great to lose more and more consensus and that this is an indication of its imminent destruction. If the angel did not pour the sixth cup of God's wrath on the Euphrates River, water would not dry up at all. Otherwise, someone will be able to find a scripture where it says that the water goes down "about his business" and the bowl of God's only serves to give "the final blow." Nowhere, however, is there any indication of this. Moreover, if it were people who were tired of Babylon the Great (as the lowering of the waters is currently being interpreted), what good is it for God to put his thought into their hearts? - see Revelation 17:17 If it is people who get tired of their lover, they would not destroy it of their own free will? Do we have to suppose that this direct action by God only serves to speed up the times? It does not seem so. As the Lord himself said: “Knowing their thoughts, he said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself comes to ruin, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26  In the same way, if Satan expels Satan, he has become divided against himself; how, then, will his kingdom stand?” - Matthew 12:25, 26 Babylon the Great is a fundamental part of the system of Satan for which he, as the ruler of the world, would have no interest in bringing down or even just watching while the waters are lowering. If it were for Satan, Babylon the Great would last forever but they will lower themselves exclusively because of God's will and against all expectations. Not by chance, in fact, the cup of the previous wrath (the fifth) is poured on the throne of the wild beast and it is said that it is obscured. This means that now, these kings, at least for a while will no longer have control over it - Revelation 16:10 Here, then, that the reaction of kings and traders becomes absolutely logical. They have never ceased to love her but for a reason that they will not be able to explain themselves, during an hour of madness, they will turn into their assassins. The lowering of the waters, therefore, means that now the people present near the great Euphrates River (who could be there for protection of the borders as for any other reason) are gone. If we look at the order of events described in chapter 16 of Revelation it seems to be so. Verse 12 speaks of the sixth cup of the wrath of God which dries up the great Euphrates River and soon afterwards, in verses 13 and 14, are seen "coming out of the mouth of the dragon and the mouth of the wild beast and the mouth of the false prophet three impure expressions inspired [that seemed] similar to frogs (...) and go to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them to the war of the great day of God Almighty. " If we cling to official understanding, does not it seem that something is missing between verse 12 and verse 13? If the drying up of the Euphrates about the loss of love against Babylon the Great, after this event you should not see the king's attack and then destroy it and then, only after, see the gathering to Armageddon? Where did the missing verse go? Or ... why is this episode not even mentioned? Even the theory of the book written in "non-chronological" order here lapses because we are not talking about what is written before or after; there would simply be a whole piece missing! Piece, among other things, to which two chapters will be dedicated later (see the article "who establishes the correct interpretation?"). This makes it clear that the topic is too important to have been "skipped". The answer is always simpler than the questions would allow you to imagine. There is no "missing piece" between verses 12 and 13 and no "complicated time play" because the lowering of waters simply indicates the elimination of those people. If the waters mean "peoples, crowds, nations and languages" these peoples, crowds, nations and languages now we are gone. Babylon the Great, therefore, has already been destroyed and that is why the next action of the rulers of the world is to prepare for the battle of Armageddon. As we have seen in previous articles, in fact, the destruction of Babylon the Great is a prelude to the war of Armageddon and not to the great tribulation. Now, going back to the question "who are the kings coming from the rising sun", how many chances are there that they are Jehovah and Christ, since there are no more people? Let's think about it for a moment. Before the water went down for those who had a problem entering that city? Would any armies placed to protect a nation be a problem for any spiritual creature or for other human beings? - compare Isaiah 8: 7 It is evident that it is human beings who need someone to prepare the way for them and a nation without several inhabitants has no barriers or impediments of any kind. Are these kings therefore human beings? And if they are human beings ... who are they?     They are human beings the kings from the rising sun?     From what we have learned, it is now easy to link the scriptures. We have seen that the gathering to Israel will be literal (that we treated in the article entitled "The appointed times of the nations"). We also saw that the ingathering will take place shortly before the war of Armageddon ( "Next stop: Israel"). By doing two plus two it will be easy to understand who these kings are, but let us see if the Scriptures give us reason to believe that the understanding is correct. Let's see what Isaiah 60: 1-3 tells us.  “Arise, O woman,+ shed light, for your light has come. The glory of Jehovah shines on you.+  2  For look! darkness will cover the earthAnd thick gloom the nations;But on you Jehovah will shine,And on you his glory will be seen.  3  Nations will go to your light+And kings+ to your shining splendor”. Speaking of the period in which there would have been "thick darkness" on the national groups (which period?) the woman would have risen and the kings, taken from all the nations, would have come to her luster. This scripture can not have been fulfilled in the past, is it not? In fact, the Israelites have never accepted people from other nations in their land as kings. It can not even be fulfilled in the new world because it speaks of "thick darkness on national groups". When should it be fulfilled, then? “Foreigners will build your walls,And their kings will minister to you,+For in my indignation I struck you,But in my favor* I will have mercy on you.+ 11  Your gates will be kept open constantly;+They will not be closed by day or by night,To bring to you the resources of the nations,And their kings will take the lead” - Isaiah 60:10, 11 Isaiah tells us where these kings come from (from nations around the world) and also says that they "will take the directive" in bringing their resources. “And you will actually drink the milk of nations,+At the breast of kings you will nurse;+And you will certainly know that I, Jehovah, am your Savior,And the Powerful One of Jacob is your Repurchaser.+ 17  Instead of the copper I will bring in gold,And instead of the iron I will bring in silver,Instead of the wood, copper,And instead of the stones, iron;And I will appoint peace as your overseers. And righteousness as your task assigners” - Isaiah 60:16, 17 (see also the details of Isaiah chapter 62). Obviously someone could say that these scriptures applied to the Israelites because, among other things, they suggest that these kings come to bow, to serve, not really to govern. We know that the scriptures also say this. But is this what Isaiah is talking about? Let the Bible respond. “I will set a sign among them, and I will send some of those who escape to the nations—to Tar?shish,+ Pul, and Lud,+ those who draw the bow, to Tu?bal and Ja?van,+ and to the faraway islands—who have not heard a report about me or seen my glory; and they will proclaim my glory among the nations.+ 20  They will bring all your brothers out of all the nations+ as a gift to Jehovah, on horses, in chariots, in covered wagons, on mules, and on swift camels, up to my holy mountain, Jerusalem,” says Jehovah, “just as when the people of Israel bring their gift in a clean vessel into the house of Jehovah.” 21  “I will also take some for the priests and for the Levites,” says Jehovah” - Isaiah 66:19-21 True, this writing can apply to those who "seize the kingdom" or the elect, who are taken from every part of the earth - Matthew 11:12 However, we have also seen that the structure of the post-armageddon Promised Land will in some respects be similar to that of the shadow of things - see Colossians 2:17 Obviously it will be infinitely better (see the article entitled "The temple of Ezekiel's vision is a reality!"). For example, we know that ancient characters such as Abraham, Moses and David will serve as princes in the new world and therefore there will be a sort of hierarchy of theocratic bill even if our only King will always be only Jesus Christ. Do we have to wait for the end of a thousand years to have superintendents, kings or princes directing the affairs in the country? This would not make sense. From what we understand, among those who repopulate Israel at the end of the satanic system, will be chosen "kings", or "majestic" who will take the directive among the people - Nehemiah 10:28, 29 In harmony with this, the chief leaders of the tribes of Israel were called princes and the 68th Psalm says that kings would bring gifts - see Psalm 68: 27-29 Psalm 138: 4 says, "All the kings of the earth will praise you, O Jehovah, for they will have heard the sayings of your mouth" and it is evident that these "kings" can not be those who stand against Jehovah and His Anointed at the battle of Armageddon. They are kings definitely different. If we think about it, it's not what we've always been told? During the Millennial Kingdom and also in the New World some will be chosen to be the "sarim" and will take the directive at various levels. The difference with this understanding is that no one has told us that some of these people will be chosen already before or during the attainment of the Promised Land *** (also because the literal repopulation of Israel has never been taken into consideration and also the belief that the resurrection would have occurred "during" the millennium made it impossible to understand these scriptures). Jehovah will somehow choose "kings" among the survivors of the nations to repopulate the land that bears His Name. The fact that these kings come from the "rising sun" (ie from the east) is a further confirmation of their identity. In Daniel 11:44, or in the story parallel to the event of Revelation 16:12, it is said that the king of the north will be troubled by the news that will come from the "east and north". In the article already mentioned, namely the one entitled "Next stop: Israel" we have specifically seen why this king is so perplexed. He sees the people of God gathered and intent on reaching the Promised Land and behind all this he sees clearly the work of God. Therefore, the kings coming from the rising sun are not Jehovah and Jesus but they are those people chosen by all the nations of whom Jehovah will be pleased, who will take the directive for their whole spiritual family - Ezekiel 20:40, 41 And of course, unlike the Israelites of the past, they will not forget to have a king over them - 1 Timothy 6:15; Revelation 19:16 How do you feel about learning this? Do you hope to be among them?   Footnotes * In this and other articles the term "United Nations" was used, indicating the scarlet beast with seven heads and ten horns described in Revelation. We know that today it is represented by the United Nations but it is said that in the future this military / political agglomeration will not be called "Congress of the peoples" or in any other way.   ** "They were useful for keeping the people quiet and submissive": obviously the official explanation is that Babylon the Great is the world empire of false religion. We know, however, that their despair is due precisely to the fact that they lose the opportunity to continue with their illicit trafficking.   *** The fact that writing identifies them as kings before actual entry into the Promised Land may suggest that Jehovah has already named them as such. However, it is not certain that this appointment takes place only a certain period after under the Millennial Kingdom which begins with the destruction of the kings at Armageddon.   As was stated in the article entitled "Next stop: Israel," Babylon the Great could be inhabited again when "the people gathered from all nations" will approach to it to repopulate. In this case the lowering of the waters described by the sixth cup would have to do with the destruction of the people of the surrounding area. It is reasonable to conclude that if the destruction of Babylon the Great begins Armageddon (and in this case we would already be in Armageddon) the people of God must be in the area so that all the armies of the world prepare themselves in an attempt to destroy it.
    • By JW Insider
      Sometimes, the Watchtower publications have pointed back to a time when the Watchtower predicted World War One (WWI) in 1914 and then also predicted that the United Nations would rise up to replace the League of Nations. These two "predictions" have even been paired together and presented nearly back-to-back in our publications. They were even brought up again at the 2014 convention and the 2009 convention. The reason the Watchtower has reviewed these two ideas from our history is probably already obvious and clear, and it has been clearly stated, too.
      One of the most recent reviews of the history of Jehovah's Witnesses contains very similar claims, and is found in one of the videos, now also available on tv.jw.org: https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/VODOrgHistory/pub-ivfa2_x_VIDEO
      These online transcripts appear fairly accurate:
      Video Transcript Jehovah's Witnesses Faith in Action Part 1 Out of Darkness.pdf Video Transcript Jehovah's Witnesses Faith in Action Part 2 Let the Light Shine.pdf Here is the relevant part about 1914:
      —Geoffrey W. Jackson—
      They realized that 1914 had a significance, —Gerrit Lösch—
      When World War I broke out in July, they felt vindicated and it strengthened their faith in the Bible, and in Jehovah’s prophetic Word. Also, it enhanced their trust that Jehovah was using Brother Russell and his friends to explain truth to others. —Anthony Morris III—
      Just looking at the sign of the times that Jesus told us to look at is enough, but it's still significant that they could pinpoint that year. That's phenomenal. Here is the relevant part about the UN and League of Nations:
      —Narrator—
      . . . And soon, they would boldly proclaim a Bible prophecy that pointed to the outcome of that war. ——Chapter 4: "Taught By Jehovah"——
      —Narrator—
      The year was 1941. Having taken the lead for 25 momentous years, J. F. Rutherford had become seriously ill and was about to make his final public appearance. . . . The second World War was raging. Some felt that these events could lead directly into Armageddon. In spite of this, in 1942, Nathan H. Knorr—the one next appointed to take the lead among Jehovah's Witnesses—spoke at a convention about a Bible prophecy that indicated that significant events had to occur first. —Knorr (reenactment)—
      This international war is not 'the battle of the great day of God Almighty.' Before Armageddon comes, the Scriptures show, a peace must come. —John Wischuk—
      There was no peace on the horizon, and yet we said, "Peace—Can It Last?" —Narrator—
      Knorr centered attention on Revelation 17:8, which indicates that a figurative wild beast would come into existence, would cease to exist, but then would come back to life. Knorr then drew his listeners' attention to the defunct League of Nations. —Knorr (reenactment)—
      The League is in effect in a state of suspended animation and needs to be revived if it is ever to live again. It has gone into the abyss of inaction and ineffectiveness. It "is not." Will the League remain in the pit? Again the Word of God gives answer: The association of worldly nations will rise again. —Narrator—
      That association did rise again three years later as the United Nations. —Anthony Morris III—
      They didn't know it was going to be called the United Nations, and we don't make that claim. But they knew it was coming out.  
      [Should be noted that Morris is claiming something that they "KNEW" in advance but he is also correcting a common claim that not only did Knorr predict the rise of the League of Nations three years ahead of time, but that he even used the term "United Nations." As one person writes on a website "Knorr prophesied in 1942 that the League of Nations would rise out of the abyss. Knorr used the expression 'United Nations.' How could he have known the exact name of the new incarnation, when it wasn't established until 1945?"]
      Witnesses got these ideas about a correctly predicted prophecy from an article published a few years later under Knorr's administration in 1960. These quotes should be compared with the actual transcript of the speech Knorr made on September 20, 1942, which was made available as a booklet, and can be found here: http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/booklets/peace.html
      The July 15, 1960 Watchtower, page 444, said this:
      "In 1942 the “faithful and discreet slave” guided by Jehovah’s unerring spirit made known that the democracies would win World War II and that there would be a United Nations organization set up." You can also see a reference to the 1942 event in the Revelation book (p.248) on WOL at jw.org: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101988034
      You can also read the following about it in the April 15, 1989 Watchtower, p.14 https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101988034
      By divine providence, Jehovah’s Witnesses received enlightenment on that mystery in 1942. . . . Nathan H. Knorr, president of the Watch Tower Society, gave the public talk, “Peace—Can It Last?” Therein he reviewed Revelation 17:8, . . . . Was that Bible-based forecast fulfilled? Truly it was! In 1945 the international “wild beast” emerged from its abyss of inactivity as the United Nations. See also the Kingdom Come book  kc chap. 17 pp. 162-173 and and interesting version of events found in a 1981 Watchtower about why this "insight" was given w81 12/15 pp. 28-30
      The Proclaimers book states it like this on page 192-3 (  jv chap. 14 pp. 188-201 )
      This time, it involved the United Nations, successor to the League. While World War II was still under way, in 1942, Jehovah’s Witnesses had already discerned from the Bible, at Revelation 17:8, that the world peace organization would rise again, also that it would fail to bring lasting peace. This was explained by N. H. Knorr, then president of the Watch Tower Society, in the convention discourse “Peace—Can It Last?” Boldly Jehovah’s Witnesses proclaimed that view of the developing world situation. In 1993 the idea was stated as follows:
      “The Disgusting Thing” 12, 13. What was “the disgusting thing,” and—as foreseen by the faithful and discreet slave—when and how was it reestablished? 12 When the end of the second world war was in sight, there was another development. “They will certainly put in place the disgusting thing that is causing desolation.” (Daniel 11:31b) This “disgusting thing,” which Jesus also mentioned, had already been recognized as the League of Nations, the scarlet-colored wild beast that according to Revelation went into the abyss. (Matthew 24:15; Revelation 17:8; see Light, Book Two, page 94.) It did this when World War II broke out. However, at the New World Theocratic Assembly of Jehovah’s Witnesses in 1942, Nathan H. Knorr, third president of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, discussed the prophecy of Revelation 17 and warned that the beast would rise again from the abyss. 13 History bore out the truth of his words. Between August and October 1944, at Dumbarton Oaks in the United States, work was begun on the charter of what would be called the United Nations. The charter was adopted by 51 nations, including the former Soviet Union, and when it came into force on October 24, 1945, the defunct League of Nations in effect came out of the abyss. There are several more examples, but this should suffice. I am struck by how often the point is emphasized that these were Knorr's words, "his words" and that they were a Bible-based forecast "foreseen" and "discerned" and "known" in advance through "divine providence" and "enlightenment" and men being "guided by Jehovah's unerring spirit." This is an odd focus on the insights and discernment of men. These expressions are also dangerously presumptuous in that they are so often applied to the one or two times when it seems something was foreseen correctly, but there is no balanced way of discussing the reasons that literally dozens of predictions were made incorrectly and have been dropped as "old light."
      But, as many Witnesses already know, there is something even deeper that is wrong with these claims of accuracy in discernment. The claims are inaccurate! It turns out that this was not really even predicted in advance. A close look at the original transcript of Knorr's talk actually solves the mystery of why he used the term United Nations in his speech. It's because he gave the speech AFTER official work on the United Nations had already begun.
    • By Israeli Bar Avaddhon
      The immense statue of Nebuchadnezzar's dream.
      Babylon comes from the north, according to what Ezekiel 26: 7 says (see also Jeremiah 46:10).
      Comparing Jeremiah 50: 9 with Isaiah 21: 2, 9 and Daniel 5:28 it is understood that the average Persian comes from the north.
      Reading Daniel 11: 3 understands that the "mighty king" is Alexander the Great, identified as the "king of the north".
      Reading Daniel 11:16, 20-22 it is understood that Rome is the next king of the north.
      If all the kings of the statue were "king of the north" ... the last king can be the Anglo-American empire, or the king of the south?

    • By Israeli Bar Avaddhon
      Si bien la mayoría de nosotros estàn enfocados en los "problemas burocráticos de la organización" comprometiéndonos a hacer propuestas más o menos factibles y más o menos bíblicas para "mejorar las cosas", las profecías bíblicas se cumplen flagrantemente ante nuestras narices y casi nadie se da cuenta. Nuestra actitud de sujeción (para algunos es impactante usar incluso este término), impide a la mayoría de nosotros de enfrentar al corazón la comprensión bíblica y las profecías que son una parte fundamental. Es mucho mejor hablar de "problemas organizativos", de "astillas locas" y "vacunas en lugar de pastores", engañándonos de que las dos cosas son problemas distintos e independientes unos de otros. Bueno, todos hacen sus propias evaluaciones y presentan lo que consideran más importante. El objetivo de este blog, sin embargo, es prestar atención a las profecías y ver cómo estas afectan a cada uno de nosotros. Para la mayoría de nosotros fue impactante ver cómo una nación moderna como Rusia ha violado todos los derechos humanos más básicos al prohibir el trabajo de predicación de los testigos de Jehová. Excepto luego usa las frases usuales ... "Sabemos que seremos odiados por todas las naciones ... sabemos que las cosas empeorarán", etc. muy pocos se han dado cuenta de que esta era una profecía bíblica específica y clara - Mateo 24: 9; Daniel 8: 11-13   ¿Sabes lo que sucederá pronto?   "Específica y clara" sólo para aquellos que realmente prestado atención a la profecía y sin condiciones. Para otros son las escaramuzas habituales, los problemas habituales entre las naciones, un poco "como sucedió en el pasado con Malí o Burundi ... Un problema, por supuesto, pero nada significativo en las escrituras. Si lo que sucedió en Rusia no es relevante desde el punto de vista de la escritura, incluso los tiempos en los que vivimos no son particularmente relevantes (la consecuencia paradójica de estar en el "tiempo del fin" durante más de 100 años es que todo lo que sucede es importante "pero tampoco") - Jeremías 4: 5-7 El efecto de cadena de no haber identificado este evento también significa no reconocer la identidad del rey del norte (identidad a la que deberíamos haber llegado mucho antes de este evento) y luego perderse en desacuerdos sobre ISIS, posibles alianzas entre los EE. UU. Rusia y así sucesivamente - Daniel 7: 7, 8, 20 ¿Podría ser que alguien nos mostró la luna y estábamos mirando el dedo? Puede ser que nos hayamos acostumbrado a tener explicaciones de segunda mano, es decir, a terceros que nos han hecho investigaciones por nosotros, que ahora no logramos o hacer una investigación seria usando solo la Biblia? Si fue impactante para algunos, lo que sucedió en Rusia, esperamos a ver lo que sucederá - Jeremías 4: 16-18 Mientras tanto, el rey del norte continuará "tirando la verdad al suelo" y esto sugiere que la obra de predicación será proscrita en otros países antes o durante la guerra - Daniel 8:12. Sí, porque estallará una guerra. ¿Alguien te ha dicho que al final no habrá una batalla real entre el rey del norte y el rey del sur? ¿Alguien le ha dicho que si estallara una guerra entre Rusia y los Estados Unidos, nadie sobreviviría y, por lo tanto, Dios no lo permitiría? Falso. La última gran guerra humana se describe tanto en Daniel como en Apocalipsis - Daniel 11:40; Apocalipsis 9: 16-19 Esta guerra conducirá a la derrota del rey del sur - Daniel 11: 41-43 Antes de esto, el pueblo de Dios será severamente disciplinado por no haber enseñado la verdad como debería haberlo hecho. La advertencia contra los falsos profetas no está dirigida solo al cristianismo: Apocalipsis 8:10, 11; Jeremías 23:15; Amós 5: 7; 06:12 Esto significa que la persecución podría incluir otras denominaciones "cristianas" y es de esperar que esto se interprete como el ataque a "Babilonia la Grande" o el comienzo del ataque. Esto también es falso. Además, es de esperar que muchos hermanos piensen que la guerra entre los reyes del norte y los reyes del sur conducirá directamente al Armagedón (como ya sucedió en pasado, entre otras cosas). La luz de la "verdad" se apagará y esto sugiere no solo que la obra de predicaciòn será reprimida físicamente sino también que la reputación de quienes nos guían será cuestionada seriamente (probablemente se mostrarán noticias inconvenientes y, a pesar de lo que sea él podría pensar, esto será parte de la voluntad de Dios). El rey del norte, por lo tanto, "considerará a los que han dejado el pacto santo" (Israel) y haciendo una comparación con Apocalipsis 9, vemos que las aguas del Eufrates comienzan a descender. Comenzará a mostrar cierta hostilidad hacia Israel y la guerra que se dividirá solo pondrá a esta nación en una posición incómoda. Esta nación estará claramente incluida en esta guerra, incluso si no está claro si actuará políticamente "detrás de escena" o si estará involucrado en primera persona. Esperamos y vemos Huelga decir que el estallido de la guerra disolverá las Naciones Unidas y quizás alguien empiece a alimentar la duda de que la Liga de las Naciones de 1919 no tuvo nada que ver con eso cuando "cayó al abismo" - Apocalipsis 17: 8. Solo al final de la guerra que conducirá a la victoria definitiva del rey del norte (y por lo tanto no conducirá al Armagedón) entonces las Naciones Unidas podrán levantarse nuevamente (cualquiera sea el nombre que hayan asumido entonces) con la esperanza y la intención de traer verdaderamente "paz y seguridad" (Apocalipsis 13: 3, 4) para toda la humanidad, lo que sucederá algún tiempo después con la "ayuda" del falso profeta, y solo entonces comenzarán a predicar "los dos testigos vestidos con sacos" ... pero ya nos hemos ido muy adelante con las profecías.
        Por el momento observamos los siguientes eventos. La proscripción de los testigos de Jehová y quizás otras denominaciones cristianas en otras naciones. La reputación cada vez peor de quienes toman la directiva entre los que conocemos. Tenga cuidado con Israel (atacque, fuertes quejas del rey del norte antes, durante o después de la guerra). Brote de la guerra (que debe tener dos fases significativas); Israel será incluido en esta guerra, directa o políticamente detrás de escena. Disolución de la ONU. Victoria del rey del norte (si todavía estamos vivos ... lo veremos). Termine la demolición de la "verdad". Renacimiento de la ONU y búsqueda desesperada de paz y seguridad. Hay otros eventos por el momento que no están claros y entre ellos los signos literales probables del cielo (eclipses o meteoritos). Al no tener ciertas certezas bíblicas por el momento, prefiero evitar escribir en este sentido.   Concluyo con un mensaje sincero a mis hermanos "conscientes" que son muy poco conscientes. ¿cuántos de ustedes se han tomado la molestia de hacer una investigación exhaustiva sin repetir lo que se les ha enseñado y buscando apoyo en las Escrituras? ¿Cuántos de ustedes tienen la Biblia en casa? Cuando suceden ciertas cosas, este blog, o el blog de otra persona que llegue a conclusiones similares, sin duda tendrá un auge en las visitas, así que no me preocupo por la popularidad o impopularidad de ciertas declaraciones (mucho menos mi popularidad personal) ... pero ¿En qué posición estaràn todos aquellos que, a pesar de haber tenido la oportunidad de hacerlo, realmente no "leerán día y noche" tratando de escudriñar las Escrituras, haciendo un esfuerzo reflexivo sin ideas preconcebidas y sin temor a perder algo, cuando todas estas cosas comiencen a pasar? - 2 Corintios 13: 5 Después de haber tomado las profecías a la ligera, diremos ... "Y bueno ... ¡por otro lado no nos habían enseñado!" y luego estaremos en el lugar con nuestra conciencia y con Dios o ¿seremos responsables personalmente de no haber mostrado la atención adecuada, independientemente de nuestros límites de comprensión? 1 Tesalonicenses 5:20, 21   PD Mientras que tenemos el tiempo favorable, animo a todos los hermanos reflexivos y sensibles, en lugar de pretender nada, a estudiar realmente la Biblia y reflexionar sobre este informaciones.     Commenti
       
    • By Israeli Bar Avaddhon
      La siguiente discusión apunta exclusivamente a identificar "el cuerno pequeño". No se ha considerado todo lo que va más allá de su mera identificación (lo que hará, en qué período, en lo que se refiere a otros eventos). Esto se hará en un artículo futuro. El artículo, es bueno recordar, aunque cito las Escrituras en apoyo de la tesis presentada, sin embargo, representa las ideas personales del autor.       Y el macho de las cabras, por su parte, se dio grandes ínfulas+ hasta el extremo; pero en cuanto se hizo poderoso, el gran cuerno fue quebrado, y procedieron a subir conspicuamente cuatro en lugar de él, hacia los cuatro vientos* de los cielos.+ 9  Y de uno de ellos salió otro cuerno, uno pequeño,+ y siguió haciéndose mucho mayor hacia el sur* y hacia el naciente y hacia la Decoración.*+ 10  Y siguió haciéndose mayor hasta llegar al mismo ejército de los cielos,+ de modo que hizo que algunos del ejército y algunas de las estrellas+ cayeran a la tierra, y se puso a hollarlos.+ 11  Y hasta llegar al mismo Príncipe+ del ejército se dio grandes ínfulas, y de él el [rasgo] constante*+ fue quitado, y el lugar establecido de su santuario fue echado abajo.+ 12  Y un ejército mismo fue gradualmente entregado,+ junto con el [rasgo] constante,+ debido a transgresión;+ y siguió arrojando la verdad+ por tierra,+ y actuó y tuvo éxito – Daniel 8:8-12   Todos los testigos de Jehová saben muy bien quién es la cabra en pocos versículos después de que se dice claramente "el macho cabrío [representa] al rey de Grecia" - Daniel 8:21. Todos los Testigos de Jehová (o casi todos) también conocen muchos detalles sobre Alejandro Magno (el cuerno pequeño que se hizo grande), la partición de su reino, etc. En el versículo 9 del capítulo 8, sin embargo, Daniel ve otro cuerno. Ya no estamos hablando de Alejandro Magno y esta parte de la visión se cumple un cierto período después de la división del reino de Grecia. ¿Cuánto más tarde? Lo comprenderemos por lo que leeremos sobre este cuerno. Mientras tanto, veamos qué dice el esclavo sobre este cuerno. Puede encontrar la información en el libro "¡Preste atención a las profecías de Daniel!" en las páginas 137-144 (edición italiana del libro).   Aislamos algunas declaraciones del libro mencionado. Haremos esto no por un espíritu crítico sino simplemente para evaluar si pueden existir otras posibilidades. Después de todo, cuando la Biblia simplemente deja pistas, es lógico pensar que esto sucede para que la gente pueda intentarlo nuevamente hasta llegar a la conclusión más lógica: compare Proverbios 2: 1-5. De lo contrario, utilizaría un lenguaje claro, sin posibilidad de error, como sucedió en el caso de Ciro el conquistador, cuyo nombre se conocía incluso doscientos años antes. En este caso, como en el caso de Babilonia la Grande, debemos llegar a la identidad del sujeto al evaluar si las pistas coinciden con lo que sabemos. El libro dice que "en 55 a.E.V, Julio César al mando de un cargamento invadió Britania pero no pudo establecer un asentamiento permanente". "Luego" continúa "en 122 E.V., el emperador Adriano comenzó la construcción de un muro desde la desembocadura del Tyne hasta el Golfo de Solway, que marcó el límite norte del Imperio Romano. A comienzos del siglo V las legiones romanas abandonaron la isla ". Así que está claro que el Imperio Romano, después de más de 170 años de asentamiento (de 55 a.E.V. a 122 E.V.), aún no había logrado conquistar completamente Britannia, a diferencia de lo que sucedió en la mayor parte de Europa. No solo eso. El libro declara explícitamente que "a principios del siglo V las legiones romanas abandonaron la isla". Entonces deberíamos preguntarnos qué fue lo que realmente quedó de Roma a partir de ese momento, pero probablemente, como veremos más adelante, este no es un punto fundamental. Hay otros problemas, ciertamente significativos desde un punto de vista bíblico. Sin lugar a dudas, Inglaterra era "un cuerno pequeño" que creció en muchos aspectos, sin embargo, la escritura establece claramente que este cuerno pequeño habría hecho caer a tres reyes. ¿Cuál es la explicación del esclavo? Se habla de la derrota de España durante el ataque naval de la famosa "armada" liderada, en 1588, por Felipe II. Es difícil establecer si una derrota en la batalla puede ser equivalente a la derrota de un reino (la escritura dice que estos cuernos se rompieron ... concepto que parece indicar algo más que una batalla que salió mal) pero de hecho esta batalla naval constituyó un gran pérdida y una gran humillación para España. Luego se señala la Francia y se dice que "durante el siglo XVIII, los ingleses y los franceses se enfrentaron en Norteamérica y la India, hasta que se firmó el Tratado de París en 1763. De este tratado William B. Willcox escribió que "sancionó la nueva posición de Gran Bretaña como la principal potencia europea en el mundo no europeo ". Incluso en este caso, podemos decir que Inglaterra mejoró ... ¿pero realmente derribó el cuerno? Sin embargo, ¿qué decir de Holanda, mencionado como el segundo cuerno que se había arrancado de Inglaterra? El libro explica ... "En el siglo diecisiete, los holandeses poseían la marina mercante más grande del mundo, pero Inglaterra, al extender sus dominios coloniales, finalmente prevaleció sobre ese reino". Entonces no se menciona la guerra o la batalla, sino simplemente la supremacía comercial. Si podemos discutir si una batalla importante puede realmente "divulgar un cuerno", ¿qué puede decirse de una batalla comercial? Parece un concepto bastante forzado porque, en la historia de la humanidad, muchos reinos han sido vencidos (incluso aplastados) desde un punto de vista económico / comercial y seguramente Inglaterra, con todas sus colonias diseminadas por el mundo, puede "jactarse" "el aplanamiento de muchos otros imperios comerciales globales. Si hacemos una investigación sobre Holanda, de hecho, leeremos acerca de las conquistas de los sajones y los francos, pero nunca de los británicos. Además, todo el libro de Daniel, cuando menciona el "romper el cuerno" o "los cuernos", se refiere a la guerra, luego a la conquista militar del reino o a la muerte del soberano. En este sentido, no incluye ninguna de las tres "batallas" mencionadas por separado, tal vez, la victoria obtenida mucho más tarde, en 1815, contra Napoleón. Tenga en cuenta las palabras del ángel, también informadas en el libro, sobre este poder: el ángel le dijo a Daniel que la cuarta bestia, o cuarto reino, "habría devorado toda la tierra". (Daniel 7:23) Hay otra dificultad y es bíblica. Si el imperio angloamericano es una extensión de la Roma antigua, como explica el mismo libro, al comentar sobre la imagen inmensa (capítulo 2), ¿por qué se identifica a este último como un rey del sur?  
      La antigua Roma, de hecho, representaba al rey del norte.   Todos los reyes de la estatua de Daniel 2 pueden ser identificados como "el rey del norte"; ¿Es posible que el último rey (pies) sea el rey del sur?   ¿Deberíamos suponer que el rey del sur nació de las raíces del rey del norte? Si es así, ¿con qué propósito o beneficio habría sido crear estas distinciones? ¿No sería suficiente y más claro decir que varias naciones habrían estado en guerra durante varios siglos? ¿Cuál fue el uso de la investigación en investigación para tratar de entender qué rey o reino habría representado al rey del sur o del norte si hubieran sido intercambiables? Esto lleva a un problema aún mayor. Según Daniel, el último enfrentamiento termina con la victoria del rey del norte y, de hecho, después de Daniel 11:40 que menciona esta batalla, no se menciona al rey del sur y, en realidad, se dice simplemente que el rey victorioso "debe alcanzar al su fin "- Daniel 11:45 Siempre hablando del mismo rey, se dice que "Y contra el Príncipe de príncipes+ se pondrá de pie, pero será sin mano como será quebrado" - Daniel 8:25. Todo esto está en armonía con el relato de Apocalipsis que menciona una sola potencia dominante, la última, que luchará contra el Cordero - Apocalipsis 13: 2; 19: 19-21 A lo largo de Apocalipsis, al menos desde el capítulo 9 en adelante, no hay dos poderes antagónicos sino un poder dominante al cual Satanás le da "su trono, su poder y gran autoridad" - Apocalipsis 13: 2. Esta bestia, exactamente como Daniel escribe, "devora a toda la tierra" - Daniel 7:23; Apocalipsis 13: 7. En este punto nos enfrentamos a un problema insuperable. O el poder angloamericano es en realidad el rey del norte (y entonces encajarían con una parte de las palabras de Daniel y Apocalipsis) o el cuerno pequeño que se hizo grande no puede ser Inglaterra, y mucho menos el imperio angloamericano. Así que tratemos de buscar otro sujeto político y también comencemos con una suposición lógica y bíblica. Después de la derrota del último rey, el tercero, se habla de que la Corte se siente para quitar este dominio y destruirlo - Daniel 7: 24-26 Ninguna otra guerra humana u otros reyes dominantes se mencionan mientras tanto. Entonces, si este cuerno se convierte en el último rey dominante, debemos suponer que al menos el último de los tres reyes, el rey del sur, de hecho, todavía está vivo. Si esto no fuera así, nos encontraríamos ya ahora en la gran tribulación o bajo el juicio de Armagedón. Los reyes caídos, útil para identificar este cuerno pequeño, que se dispararon, pueden ser a lo sumo dos. Comenzamos la búsqueda de este cuerno, sin perder de vista al rey del norte. Si tuviéramos la certeza de aquellos que encarnan al rey del norte a lo largo de los siglos, no necesitaríamos ir "ciegamente" para ver cuántos reinos se hicieron grandes y contar los reyes caídos para cada nación probable. Debemos encontrar una nación que pueda identificarse razonablemente como un rey del norte y, al mismo tiempo, encarnar las otras características descritas. Los espejos de resumen de estos dos grupos se encuentran respectivamente en las páginas 228 y 246 del libro mencionado anteriormente. Los dos últimos reyes mencionados son el imperio germánico (en el papel del rey del norte) y el imperio angloamericano (en el papel del rey del sur). Se notará que una de las razones por las cuales Alemania es identificada como "rey del norte" es el hecho de que está aliada con Italia, esa nación histórica de la antigua Roma, así como también las conexiones con el Sacro Imperio Romano. La otra indicación es que William I asumió el título de Kaiser (César). Suponiendo que la Alemania nazi fuera el rey del norte, debemos preguntarnos quién asumió este papel al final de la guerra. Después de todo, como hemos visto da los reyes o emperadores anteriores, estos dos antagonistas siempre han resucitado. La respuesta podría ser más simple de lo que siempre hemos imaginado. Hasta ahora hemos reconstruido la identidad de sus respectivos reyes por el linaje de sangre o por los territorios ocupados. Cuando cambia la identidad de los dos reyes (ver capítulo catorce), toda la cuestión se juega en el territorio de Siria. Siria representa al rey del norte, mientras que Egipto es el rey del sur. Sin embargo, con la intervención de Roma entre los dos contendientes, Antíoco IV (sirio) debe abandonar sus reclamos sobre Egipto. Esto pone fin a la rivalidad entre los dos reyes. Podemos decir que el rey del norte en ese momento ya no existe (pero sería mejor decir que no es visible). Menos de cien años después, Siria se convierte en una provincia romana. Es solo por esta razón que podemos identificar a Roma como el rey del norte: el vínculo político / geográfico. Se podría decir que el rey del norte (y también su rival) es un sujeto extranacional que se mueve de nación en nación pero que, en cada movimiento, siempre se aleja del último lugar donde estuvo. Por lo tanto, no importa cuál sea la nación, el linaje, la etnia o la cultura en la que terminará este tema, pero solo cuenta su última etapa (y al límite la huella que dejó en esta última etapa). Además, por lo que hemos visto hasta ahora, el rey del norte nunca se convierte en el rey del sur y viceversa, incluso si una parte de los territorios conquistados puede ser compartida por ambos. Partiendo de esta suposición, abrimos el libro "¡Presten atención a las profecías de Daniel!" en la página 257 (capítulo quince, siempre de la ediciòn italiana: en otras ediciones puede tener pagina diferente).   En esta fotografía vemos claramente a los ganadores de la última gran guerra que llevó a la derrota de la Alemania nazi, o al viejo rey del norte. Usted ve al primer ministro británico Winston Churchill (por lo tanto parte del rey del sur), Franklin D. Roosvelt (presidente de los Estados Unidos, también parte del rey del sur) e Iosif Stalin (¿cuál rey?). ¿Quién dividió a la Alemania nazi entre estos? Inicialmente, en agosto de 1945, se dividió en cuatro partes: francés al sur-oeste, británico al noroeste, EE. UU. Al sur y soviético al este. De uno de estos imperios nacería el rey del norte, pero ... Inglaterra y los Estados Unidos, en la parte del rey del sur, no podían cambiar su identidad. Las únicas dos posibilidades permanecieron, por lo tanto, Francia y Rusia. Sin embargo, la Francia de Napoleón puede haber desempeñado el papel de rey del sur cuando infligió un golpe mortal al Sacro Imperio Romano en 1805. ¿Quién permaneció, entonces? La Rusia de Stalin, naturalmente. Además, quizás pocos saben que incluso la palabra rusa hecha "Zar", al igual que kaiser en alemán, significa César * (ver nota al pie). El último zar ruso, Nicolás II, fue depuesto en 1917 y hasta ahora hemos hablado de la división de Alemania casi treinta años más tarde, pero es interesante observar cómo "franco" este imperio para el papel de rey del norte (así como el Impresión romana evidente). Rusia, en su crecimiento desproporcionado, también ha incorporado algunas naciones que originalmente fueron colonias romanas. Así que profundicemos en la historia de Rusia para ver si coincide con la descripción que la Biblia hace de ella. No nos confundamos: cualquier nación que desempeñe el papel del rey del norte en nuestros días, no necesariamente tiene que identificarse como tal en sus primeros días (lo importante es que no es parte del rey del sur). De hecho, hasta la segunda guerra mundial, el rey del norte está representado por la Alemania de Hitler. Las pistas para rastrear la identidad de este rey, que en el último momento interpretará al rey del norte, pueden ser mucho más antiguas. Exactamente como con la explicación del libro citado, que señala a Inglaterra como el cuerno pequeño, solo muchos años después "crece mucho" (con la alianza de los Estados Unidos) pero las batallas mencionadas son útiles para su identificación (España, Holanda, Francia) ocurrió cuando todavía era pequeño (es decir, los Estados Unidos no entraron en estos conflictos). Simplificando: encontramos una nación que derrota a dos reyes, que crece mucho, que está presente en nuestros días y se convierte en el rey del norte debido al territorio conquistado en la última guerra.   Habitado desde la antigüedad, en el primer milenio aC el territorio de la Rusia actual albergaba poblaciones de diferentes razas, idiomas y culturas, entre los cuales surgieron primero los escitas y los sármatas. Entre el 3ro y el 9no siglo AD los godos, los hunos, y luego una serie de poblaciones eslavas que se establecieron principalmente en Ucrania y en las regiones circundantes, llegaron al país. Un punto de inflexión importante se produjo en la segunda mitad del siglo IX, cuando una población escandinava, la Variaghi, también llamada Rus (de ahí el nombre de Rusia), fundó con Rjurik el primer núcleo del estado ruso en torno a la región de Nóvgorod. http://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/storia-della-russia_(Enciclopedia-dei-ragazzi)/
      El nacimiento de este pequeño asentamiento, Rjurik, podría considerarse el cuerno pequeño. Algo realmente insignificante. Mucho más insignificante que Inglaterra podría considerarse en el momento de las conquistas romanas. Si también quisimos movernos seiscientos años al Gran Ducado de Moscovia bajo la guía de Iván III (1462-1505), no se puede negar que desde entonces este cuerno ha crecido de una manera muy desproporcionada. ¡Este imperio ha continuado expandiéndose exponencialmente para alcanzar un área de más de 17 millones de kilómetros cuadrados!   Los Rus fundaron Rjurik en el siglo IX. Hoy supera los 17 millones de kilómetros cuadrados   Podría discutirse sobre guerras internas, sobre formas de agregación, en tiempos no lineales ... no importa. La única cosa que importa, con el fin de identificar, es su crecimiento desproporcionado. La objeción de que muchas naciones de la antigua Unión Soviética no pueden identificarse a sí mismas como el cuerno porque se separaron del imperio original en independencia (quince estados son postsoviéticos) no es válida. Incluso el imperio angloamericano se considera como un poder único, sin embargo, Gran Bretaña y los Estados Unidos han sido soberanos e independientes entre sí. ¿Cuál y cuántos reyes derrotó este cuerno? Sin duda, el primero fue Napoleón. En este sentido, leemos …   Las pérdidas del Gran Ejército en Rusia fueron catastróficas y tuvieron una influencia irreversible en el equilibrio militar en Europa; de acuerdo con Georges Lefebvre, Napoleón tenía aproximadamente 400,000 muertos y desaparecidos y 100,000 prisioneros [3]; David G. Chandler habla en lugar de 370,000 muertos y desaparecidos y 200,000 prisioneros, incluyendo 48 generales y 3,000 oficiales; además de las pérdidas humanas, las pérdidas materiales sufridas por el ejército también fueron desastrosas; los franceses trajeron solo 250 cañones de Rusia, los rusos aseguraron haber capturado 925; La pérdida de más de 200,000 caballos para los franceses, que privó a la caballería napolitana de los medios para regresar al poder original en las campañas de guerra posteriores, también fue muy grave. ( … ) Sobre las causas de la catástrofe del Gran Ejército, Napoleón en el 29 ° Boletín y luego en el Memorial de Santa Elena condujo la ruina de su empresa casi exclusivamente al clima invernal ruso temprano que debilitaría a las tropas y convertiría la campaña rusa en un desastre [204] ]. Esta interpretación tradicional fue tomada de los testimonios y los primeros historiadores franceses; Philippe-Paul de Ségur, participante y primer gran historiador de la empresa, explicó la catástrofe también destacando las precarias condiciones de salud de Napoleón, lo que habría afectado la actividad y la resolución, y se refería a factores externos como el destino adverso y falta de suerte. https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagna_di_Russia#Bilancio_e_conseguenze
      Es verdad que Napoleón fue oficialmente derrotado en Waterloo por la "séptima coalición", pero ¿cómo hubieran ido las cosas si el emperador todavía hubiera tenido a todos sus generales y sus hombres más poderosos? Dado que la historia no se hace con el “quizàs” y con el “pero”, no podemos saber, pero la derrota pensante que sufrieron los franceses en Rusia (y los números hablan claramente) no podía que cambiar el destino. Muchos historiadores estàsn de acuerdo que fue la Rusia el verdadero ganador de la guerra. También en este caso es difícil ser categórico sobre quién realmente rompió el cuerno, pero seguramente la derrota que el ejército de Napoleón sufrió en Rusia no es remotamente comparable a lo que le sucedió a la armada española en 1588. Además, esta batalla prejuzgó el destino de la guerra, así como la caída de la propia Francia, algo que no se puede decir de la España del 1588.     Napoleòn es el primero cuerno ¿Quién podría ser el segundo? Solo Adolf Hitler, último rey del norte en orden de tiempo.   La batalla de Stalingrado, iniciada en el verano de 1942 con el avance de las tropas del Eje hasta el Don y el Volga, finalizó en el invierno de 1943, después de una serie de fases dramáticas y sangrientas, con la aniquilación del 6. ° ejército alemán permaneció rodeado por Stalingrado y con la destrucción de la mayoría de las otras fuerzas germánicas y del Eje comprometidas en el área estratégica del sur del frente oriental. Esta larga y gigantesca batalla, definida por algunos historiadores como "la más importante de todas la Segunda Guerra Mundial", [12] marcó la primera gran derrota político-militar de la Alemania nazi y sus aliados y satélites, así como el comienzo de avanzado soviético hacia el oeste que terminaría dos años más tarde con la conquista del edificio del Reichstag y el suicidio de Hitler en el búnker de la Cancillería durante la batalla de Berlín. [13]  
      https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battaglia_di_Stalingrado#Dicembre.2C_il_tentativo_di_salvataggio_tedesco
        Aquí también, las pérdidas en términos de vidas humanas son realmente increíble Ningún historiador serio puede negar el papel decisivo que tuvo Rusia en la derrota de la Alemania nazi.     Hitler es el segundo cuerno Se cumplieron todas las condiciones para identificar al último rey del norte. Tenía que nacer como un cuerno pequeño. Se había convertido en enorme. Tenía que identificarse como un rey del norte. Tenía que soltar tres cuernos.     ¿Quién es, por lo tanto, el tercer rey? Él será el rey del sur, como las Escrituras predicen. Es en ese punto que se dará grandes arias "hasta el ejército de los cielos, para que deje caer parte del ejército y parte de las estrellas" ... pisoteando la verdadera adoración y los verdaderos cristianos. Después de esta tercera victoria no habrá otros reyes e imperios capaces de luchar contra él y es en este punto que "devorará toda la tierra" - Daniel 7:23; Apocalipsis 13: 4 También es en este punto que el Príncipe de los príncipes intervendrá y lo destruirá "sin mano". De hecho, hay un último detalle, podemos decir la condición, que debería haberse respetado, pero esto es evidente en otras escrituras. Este rey habría comenzado a suprimir el sacrificio continuo, o la obra de predicación, en su territorio - Daniel 11:31 También está claro que esta supresión, ya que se habría "inundado e invadido" durante la guerra, se habría extendido a otras naciones (pero no se excluye que esta proscripción se extendería incluso antes de la guerra). Los recientes eventos que han involucrado a nuestros hermanos en Rusia ... ¿no parecen una clara indicación para identificar al pequeño cuerno?     Nota de pie de página * La continuidad real y legal legítima del Imperio Romano continúa con Iván III, (según algunos descendientes de Druso Germanico, emperador romano) cónyuge de Zoe Paleologa, sobrina y heredera del trono del último emperador bizantino (Imperio Romano de Oriente).   Referencias históricas para profundizar http://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/storia-della-russia_%28Enciclopedia-dei-ragazzi%29/ https://www.mondimedievali.net/Medioevorusso/cronologia.htm https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comunit%C3%A0_degli_Stati_Indipendenti https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variaghi https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impero_russo https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storia_della_Germania_dal_1945#La_Germania_dal_1945_al_1949 https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagna_di_Russia#Catastrofe_finale_della_Grande_Armata http://www.maat.it/livello2/napoleone-2.htm https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battaglia_di_Waterloo#Valutazioni_conclusive
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      Daniel prorokuje o Królestwie Bożym oraz o przyjściu Mesjasza. Upadek Babilonu
      DANIEL, wyjątkowo bogobojny młodzieniec, został uprowadzony do niewoli w Babilonie jeszcze przed zburzeniem Jerozolimy. Razem z grupą innych Żydów — wygnańców z pokonanego królestwa Judy — otrzymał pewną miarę swobody. Podczas długiego życia w Babilonie Daniel dostąpił licznych błogosławieństw Bożych: uszedł nawet z życiem po wtrąceniu do lwiej jamy i otrzymał wizje dotyczące dalekiej przyszłości. Najważniejsze spisane przez niego proroctwa skupiały się na Mesjaszu i jego panowaniu.
      Danielowi wyjawiono, kiedy przyjdzie Mesjasz. Bóg wyjawił Danielowi, kiedy można się spodziewać przyjścia „Mesjasza Wodza” — miało to nastąpić 69 symbolicznych „tygodni” po ogłoszeniu dekretu o odbudowie murów Jerozolimy. Rozkaz ten został wydany długo po śmierci Daniela, w 455 roku p.n.e. Wtedy też zaczął się wspomniany okres 69 „tygodni”. Normalny tydzień trwa siedem dni, zaś proroczy „tydzień” — siedem lat. A zatem 69 tygodni lat trwało 483 lata, do roku 29 n.e. W następnej części tej broszury zobaczymy, co się wtedy wydarzyło. Daniel dowiedział się również, że Mesjasz zostanie zgładzony i dokona przebłagania za grzechy ludzkości (Daniela 9:24-26).
      Mesjasz zostanie Królem w niebie. W niezwykłej wizji nieba Daniel ujrzał, jak Mesjasz, „podobny do syna człowieczego”, podchodzi do tronu samego Jehowy. Bóg daje mu „panowanie i dostojeństwo oraz królestwo”. Królestwo to ma być wieczne, a władzę wraz z Mesjaszem ma sprawować grono nazwane „świętymi Najwyższego” (Daniela 7:13, 14, 27).
      Królestwo zniszczy rządy tego świata. Bóg umożliwił Danielowi zrozumienie snu, który zaniepokoił babilońskiego króla Nebukadneccara. Monarcha ujrzał wielki posąg z głową ze złota, piersią i ramionami ze srebra, brzuchem i udami z miedzi, goleniami z żelaza oraz ze stopami z żelaza zmieszanego z gliną. Kamień odcięty od góry uderzył w kruche stopy posągu i go zniszczył. Daniel wyjaśnił, że poszczególne części posągu wyobrażają następujące po sobie mocarstwa światowe, począwszy od Babilonu — głowy ze złota. Daniel zapowiedział, że w czasie panowania ostatniego mocarstwa zacznie działać Królestwo Boże. Zmiażdży ono wszystkie rządy tego świata, a samo będzie istnieć wiecznie (Daniela, rozdział 2).
      W późnej starości Daniel ujrzał na własne oczy upadek Babilonu. Król Cyrus zdobył miasto dokładnie tak, jak zapowiadali prorocy. Wkrótce potem Żydzi mogli wrócić do ojczyzny, która była spustoszona przez 70 lat. Pod kierownictwem wiernych namiestników, kapłanów i proroków w końcu odbudowali Jerozolimę i świątynię Jehowy. Co się jednak stało po upływie wspomnianych 483 lat?
      Na podstawie Księgi Daniela.
    • By Micael Frost
      How does the ban on JW in Russia fit into our current belief? Since many years WT have explained that the attack on Jehovahs people should occur AFTER 1. Proclamation of Peace and Security and     2. The fall of Babylon the Great.
      Also in WT 2015 (May 15 p. 29-30) it says that "it seems to be in harmony with ...(Ezek 38: 6,15)...that this coalition will be led by the figurative “king of the north” (text sequence edited by me) .
      Can we expect new light on this or does someone now a different explanation? 
      http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2015364#h=6-6
      http://wol.jw.org/sv/wol/dsync/r14/lp-z/r1/lp-e/1102014263
      https://youtu.be/D8pvnrV5s94
    • By Bible Speaks
      "God is guarding all the bones of that one; not one of them has been broken." (Ps. 34:20)
      As prophesied, the Messiah would be pierced, but his bones would not be broken. Inhabitants of Jerusalem would “look to the One whom they pierced through,” says Zechariah 12:10. 
      Confirming these points, the apostle John wrote: “One of the soldiers jabbed his [Jesus’] side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out. And he that has seen it [John] has borne witness, and his witness is true . . . These things took place in order for the scripture to be fulfilled: ‘Not a bone of his will be crushed.’ And, again, a different scripture says: ‘They will look to the One whom they pierced.’”—John 19:33-37. 

      http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/dt/r1/lp-e/2013/1/21
    • By Jesus.defender
      Why did Armageddon fail to come in 1975 as the Watchtower predicted?

      In Kingdom Ministry, May 1974, the world’s end was said to be ‘so very near’ that JWs were commended who sold ‘their homes and property’ to devote themselves to full-time service in ‘the short time remaining before the wicked world’s end’. (p 3)

      In 1975 they said, ‘The fulfillment . . . is immediately ahead of us.’ (Man’s Salvation out of World Distress at Hand, p 312)

      In 1975 they said, ‘Very short must be the time that remains . . .’.’ (Ibid p 349)

      1975 came and went, thus discouraging and embarrassing the WT and JWs. Yet from 1976 to today the WT still says Armageddon and the end of the world is very near.

      Conclusion: If the WT has been wrong on every prediction, how can anybody trust it?
      Question: Why has the WT missed the date of Armageddon every time it predicted it?
      The WT has not only lied to people they call ‘God’s enemies’, but they have lied to their own
      people.

      After reading these WT false prophecies, and its own admission that it lied, how can the WT be trusted any more?

      Has the Watchtower ever lied, covered up, or changed doctrines and dates?

      If God speaks through the WT, then He must change His mind very often.
      Consider the following changes in dates, prophecies and doctrines:
      1. They changed the beginning of the ‘time of the end’ from 1799 to 1914;
      2. They changed the date of the second coming of Christ from 1874 to 1914;
      3. They changed the nature of Christ’s return from earthly visible to heavenly and invisible;
      4. They changed the end of the 6000 years of creation from 1872 to 1975;
      5. They changed vaccination from being forbidden to being permitted;
      6. They changed the ‘Faithful and wise servant’ from C T Russell to the WT Society;
      7. They changed from allowing worship of Jesus to forbidding it;
      8. They changed their view of Israel from literal national to spiritual of all believers.

      Why so many changes?
      Answer: Since the predicted events didn’t happen, they covered up their false prophecies to hide the fact that God really hadn’t spoken through the Watchtower Society.

      Do their false prophecies support their claim of spiritual enlightenment and guidance?

      What a joke! The WT Society has mislead millions of people in claiming it is God’s sole channel of communication on earth today.
       
      Rutherford believed that God’s Holy Spirit had ceased to function as his teacher, and had been replaced by angels who taught him in his mind.(WT, Sept 1,1930,p.263 & Feb 1,1935,p.41)
      Today the leaders claim that both the Holy Spirit, and angels communicate information to them. (WT, March 1, 1972, p.155 and Aug 1, 1987, p.19)
      Conclusion: False prophecies lead us to conclude that the Watchtower is receiving its information from demons, rather than from God.
    • By Jesus.defender
      1889- In subsequent chapters we present proofs that the setting up of the Kingdom of God has already begun...And that the "battle of the great day of God almighty [revelation 16:14], which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of the earth's present rulership, is already commenced. [The 1915 edition of this book changed "A.D. 1914" to "A.D. 1915."] *from the book "The Time is at Hand; 1889
      1897 "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874," (Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 4, p. 621).
      1899 "...the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101).
      1916 "The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ's Reign, began in 1873," (The Time Is at Hand, forward, p. ii).
      1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection," (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89).
      1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914," (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262).
      1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1923, p. 106).
      1925 "The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year," (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1925, p. 3).
      1925 "It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated, the thought that 1925 should see an end to the work," (Watchtower, Sept., 1925, p. 262).
      1926 "Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything," (Watchtower, p. 232).
      1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time...and they also learned to quit fixing dates," (Vindication, p. 338).
      1941 "Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).
      1968 "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an 'end to the world', even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The 'end' did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing?.. Missing from such people were God's truths and evidence that he was using and guiding them," (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968).
      1968 "Why are you looking forward to 1975?" (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1968, p. 494).
      6,000 years from Adam ended in A.D. 1872. (Daily Heavenly Manna, inside cover page),6,000 years of human history ended in 1873.(The Time is at Hand, p.33),6,000 years of human history ended in 1972.(The Truth Shall Make You Free, p.152, 1943 edition),6,000 years of human history ended in 1975. (Awake!, October 8th, 1968, page 15).
       
    • By Jesus.defender
      Would a true prophet of God make false prophecies about World War II?

      ‘The Nazis will destroy the British.’ (Fifth Column, p 15)

      The new book titled Children will prove useful ‘in the remaining months before Armageddon’ (Watchtower, 15 September 1941, p 288)

      ‘The end of Nazi Fascist hierarchy will come and will mark the end forever of demon rule.’ (Watchtower, 15 December 1941, p 377)
    • By Jesus.defender
      Yes....Watchtower 7/1879 page 8
      No.....Watchtower 6/1/52 page 338
      Yes....Watchtower 8/1/65, page 479
      No.....Watchtower 6/1/88, page 31
      Yes...Live Forever (old Ed.) page 179
      No....Live Forever (new Ed.) page 179
      Yes...Insight, vol. 2., page 985
      No...Revelation book, page 273.
       
    • By Jesus.defender
      If the organization did not actually prophesy the end in 1925 and 1975, then how come so many Witnesses left the faith immediately afterwards? ("They lost roughly three-quarters of the movement between 1925 and 1928, then suffered huge losses after 1975, when the end didn't come as they had implied over and over again," said Jim Penton, an ex-Witness who writes entries on Jehovah's Witnesses for the Encyclopedia Americana.)
       
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    • An interesting take with a lot to say for it. When Jude mentions these "rocks beneath the surface" for example, it always reminds me of the first time I read "Paul and Thecla" while at Bethel, but at the NYPL, via a book about Christian widows of the 2nd century. Paul and Thecla is an early Christian short story or novella with Thecla, not Paul, as the hero. It's one of a few stories of this type, probably written by and for women in the early Christian congregations. The antagonists of some of these stories are the 2nd century "circuit overseers" who would go from congregation to congregation saying all the right things from the "platform" but then they would also quietly worm their way into the houses of well-meaning sisters and widows, and try to take advantage of them sexually. I was quite surprised when the Watchtower last year mentioned Paul and Thecla for the second time in nearly 100 years, and was again surprisingly supportive of the work as containing possible reflections of true traditions believed in the 2nd century: *** w18 March p. 13 par. 3 Questions From Readers *** The Acts of Paul and Thecla was highly regarded in early centuries, as confirmed by the fact that 80 Greek manuscripts of it exist, as well as versions in other languages. Thus, our artistic presentations are in line with some ancient indications of what the apostle looked like. I personally have never experienced a "bad" circuit overseer. All of them have been exemplary and I have always looked forward to their visits, especially when hearing a new one for the first time. But I think all of us old-timers have had experience with congregational drifters, and we often look at them with the same kinds of suspicions. Sometimes it's a young brother who is very vague about his last congregation and who quickly latches on to an association with another eligible sister. Sometimes it's a more elderly brother, perhaps even a special pioneer, looking for an alternate congregation, hoping the trouble he caused in the last congregation won't get reported in too much detail. (Speaking from a real example, this elderly brother also latched onto a "relationship," and place to stay, with a family of sisters: a sister with an unbelieving and ailing husband, and a couple of daughters. It was a recipe for disaster.) The younger brother caused some heart-ache by getting engaged to a sister, and the engagement was later broken off.  It's hard for me not to imagine such cases when I read Jude. So, at first, it was hard for me to see them as drifters into forums like this one to cause other kinds of trouble, but I can definitely see a similarity now.  
    • I’m not really sure what “worshipful” means.  When celebrities come into town, they are mobbed by fans. Are those fans worshipful? I might say yes, but the fans themselves will just say they they are flocking to them out of respect for their accomplishments. If brothers pose for selfies with the GB members (much to the latter’s annoyance, I am consistently told, someone said with the possible exception of Lett) are they “worshipful?” It’s in the eye of the beholder, I think. Though I have a great many faults, admiring personalities is not one of them. I would love to have a GB member stay at my house so I could ignore him. “There’s your room—make yourself at home. If you’d like to visit, that works fine, but you have many things to do and if you ignore us completely that also works fine with us,”  Probably there are few words they could hear that would please them more. And no, @James Thomas Rook Jr., I wouldn’t present them with a list of my QUESTIONS that, as MEN of HONOR, they are obligated to answer,
    • Just for interest, here is an interview with prince Andrew. It's acutely embarrassing the excuses  he makes and the denials.... Read comments, they are entertaining  
    • Yes. Just watched it. I like that you talk about the broad effects of the impact whistleblowing has had in this particular area. It's not just the Witnesses, but many institutions. Many guilty people would have probably got away with sexual abuse 20 years ago, but not so much today. Even royalty have been put under the microscope. History is rife with stories of rich dirty old men having sex with underage girls and getting away with it. When enough people make noise, it can't be ignored.
    • Maybe this was in the sense of these "bad elders" rejecting the counsel given by "good elders" who were quoting Bible books and the Mosaic Law (as transmitted through angels), or these "bad elders" were speaking out against sayings of Jesus and inspired writings of the apostles, as if they held no value to this time they were in, so many decades after Jesus originally spoke them. Also (less likely) Jude quotes the book of Enoch, specifically a part about the judgment of angels, and he appears to refer to another book about the "Assumption of Moses." We don't know how much more of those books were accepted other than the portions referenced, but these books were part of a genre that gave names to dozens of angels and referenced many more hierachies of thousands of angels. Good point! I doubt it. There are too many scriptures, and too much context that shows what Paul was up against in trying to get the congregations to accept and understand the concept of "grace" or "undeserved kindness." (Along with "law" "legalism" "works" "righteousness" "sin" "conscience" etc.) Paul had to write chapters, nearly whole long letters, on the subject, and it even put him for a short while at odds with the Jerusalem council. Probably it is sometimes. But I'd guess there are some exceptions, too. For example, the whistleblowing of the CSA cases all over the world has drawn attention to a lot of things that go on in the world where the abused victims felt powerless. In many institutions, including once-hostile work environments, this is actually changing for the better. The threat of monetary sanctions has made even rich men who could once get away with anything (as Trump claimed), think twice. It has definitely helped in some suburban schools and even corporations I once worked for. I suspect that many priests and elders who once thought they would get away with anything are now more apt to think again before abusing persons.
    • The old method of handling this was to use the expression "present truth." Many adventists including Seventh Day still use the expression. It's based on a mistranslation of 2 Peter 1:12 where the KJV said: Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth. The tendency among 19th century Adventists was to see a "chronology" element or "time" element in the English expression that did not exist in the original Greek. Therefore, the idea was that: even when in the midst of learning or teaching falsehood, it was still "present truth" at the time, and what is now "present truth" could turn out to be false in the future, but it will always have been "present truth" because it's always the best we had at the time. From the Greek, this is better translated as "the truth that is present in you" (American Standard and NWT).  A similar rush to see a time element in the English translation was done by Barbour and Russell and others who had been associated with Adventists. Here's an example from Leviticus: (Leviticus 26:28) 28 I will intensify my opposition to you, and I myself will have to chastise you seven times for your sins. This was originally the primary source for Russell's 7 times = 2,520 years, and the 7 times of Nebuchadnezzar's dream about his own insanity was only a secondary source. But we have since learned that Leviticus here didn't refer to chronological "times" but the sense was "7 times as much" as in "I will hit you twice as hard, or three times as hard, or seven times as hard." This was already in the context, but chronologists and numerologists rarely notice the context until they have already formed a time related doctrine. (Leviticus 26:18-21) . . .“‘If even this does not make you listen to me, I will have to chastise you seven times as much for your sins. . . . 21 “‘But if you keep walking in opposition to me and refuse to listen to me, I will then have to strike you seven times as much, according to your sins. Now that we have noticed this, we have been stuck with using Nebuchadnezzar as if his wicked Gentile kingdom somehow represented Christ's Messianic non-Gentile kingdom. (Another contradiction between 1914 and the Bible.) We still tend to make a "chronology word" out of things having to do with time when we translate the Greek word for time as "appointed time" instead of what might better be translated as "opportune time." Note that it's the exact same word "time" in these two verses: (Ephesians 5:16) 16 buying out the opportune time for yourselves, because the days are wicked. (Luke 21:24) . . .and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled. Neither the word opportune nor appointed is found in the Greek, only the word time. But the more typical meaning is "opportunity" as in: Will you find the opportunity to do this? Will you find the time to do this? Not: Will you find the appointed day and hour to do this? We have added a more specific chronological sense that usually isn't necessary in the Greek.  
    • Elon Musk shows himself to rather out of touch with science. He is using his money to make a name for himself by driving forward with some outlandish plans. He is an embarrassment to his own employees sometimes when he quotes pseudo-scientific ideas that have been obsolete for decades. (One of these was the idea of using nuclear explosions to make Mars inhabitable.) But his optimism to get employees to "make it happen" will drive some scientific progress in spite of himself. Even here, however, he has often just attached his name to some idea that came out of Japan or China or some US or European scientific think tank that was never associated with Musk. He attaches his own unrealistic timelines to these ideas, however, and then begins to lose credibility.  This particular idea has some merit, but there is a lot more expense in creating the infrastructure than people realize. There is the mining of the elements that go into solar cells, the manufacture of solar panels, the trucking of materials to such a solar hub, the infrastructure to build out the lines from the hub across the USA. Currently these types of expenses reduce the ROI value of this particular type of renewable energy so much that it makes carbon (coal/oil/petroleum) seem much more desirable for generating power, and for which an infrastructure is already in place. When viable, I would like to see how close to Hoover Dam this could be built to re-use some power lines that emanate from there, and already reach to many southwest states. Perhaps an even better idea would be to find a place near Yuma or Mexicali, so that half of the power would be used to desalinate water for Mexico and the US by piping saltwater from the Gulf of California, then freshwater back out with a mountain or salt and minerals as a byproduct.    
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